AOC: I don't understand why some folks run as if the internet doesn't exist.

[melman]

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[NewJeffCT]

1. sigh - that Republican VP BS again

He was insulting Republicans, not saying he was open to a Republican VP. He said he would consider a Republican VP if there were any reasonable Republicans out there, but there are NONE that he could see.

He also said that he would likely name a woman and/or a perosn of color as his running mate in the same breath.

I'm not even a Biden supporter and I'm disappointed that so many are resorting to this to attack Biden.

[Demsrule86]

4. I don't think someone as inexperienced as AOC understands her message only resonates with those

who aren't voting for Biden. The Sanders campaign must be desperate.

[LonePirate]

16. Are you saying Biden supporters are closing their minds to the facts?

[Demsrule86]

47. Everyone knows Biden voted for the war...and? It was 20 years ago and here's the thing...it is not

voting issue for me. So, AOC and the rest of the surrogates can pound this with breathless horror and I shrug...It won't change my mind and yes Biden voters have closed their minds to such 'facts' some of which are blatant lies. We want to defeat Trump and think Biden will be a great president So, a big who cares from me...voting for Biden in the primary period. Those who engage in this behavior are burning bridge though for future primary runs.

[Dem4Life1102]

57. Facts?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

[beachbumbob]

78. lol, facts of decades ago do you mean vs last 20 years? Last 10 years?

But hey, Biden's legislative record goes back way further with lots more being done and accomplished than all his democratic rivals combined. Throw in 8 years behind the scenes as VP in the Obama administration and we have what we have. A bonefide candidate that leads a landslide vs trump.

The last thing GOP and the elite as well as Putin wants to see happen

[Hortensis]

39. I think she understands that very well AND it's both

desperation time and ambition time. She's obviously willing to burn bridges with her own Democratic constituents, even if she has enough outside money and press attention to hold the seat once.

But her improbable win immediately turned turned her into a national figure willy-nilly, and she ran with it, at 29. Her messages have continued ever since to all be focused nationally, so it's obvious that she's looking far beyond her precinct and house seat. To what? Bizarre, wing-melting ambition or a real plan? If she doesn't decide to copy Sanders' template for safe job longevity, I can't imagine anything that doesn't eventually exile her among fringe groups, like a younger, more energetic Palin or Jill Stein.

[Demsrule86]

51. Palin could and did run for governor...there is not way AOC will win a governor's race in New York.

She won't win any statewide race. New York is not as liberal as some think. She is in the bluest of blue districts. There is nowhere for her to go. She could make a career for herself there but she better step up her constituent support from what I hear...hubs used to live in her district.

[Hortensis]

60. AOC's sounding radical off the liberal edge, not at all typical.

Lol, I'm getting the impression being surrounded by liberal Democrats in congress and realizing she can't rise there without being a player on liberal teams is making her downright unhappy. (Throw them out, keep her!)

So she can't be senator or governor and prefers insulting her constituents to representing them as she was elected to do. (Very interesting that your hubs used to live there.) Can't run for president on a third-party ticket until 2036.

Maybe she sees herself as kingmaker for whoever follows Sanders (who gets to retire him?). Marching herself at the front of the people's revolution she's trying to drum up? Heroic far-left guerrilla leader battling the liberal resistance forces and the fascistic oligarchy that finished their revolution while she was ignoring the internet herself?

One thing she could capitalize on ( ) from this after all else flopped: she could run a radical political PAC or NGO and/or make a decent living off speaker fees, maybe keep her brand alive by running for president now and then.

[hlthe2b]

6. +1

[Demsrule86]

2. Sanders voted for Afghanistan and for regime change in Iraq...Damn I really used to like her,

now not so much-I tire of her attacks on Democrats.

[James48]

23. Sanders voted AGAINST the use of force in Iraq. Let's at least be accurate here.

Afghanistan vote was held 3 days after the 9-11 towers fell, and that vote was 420 to 1.
https://votesmart.org/bill/3086/7933/27110/authorization-for-use-of-military-force#.Xihw3vk3lPY

But Bernie didn't vote for the Iraq AUF crap. He voted against that.
https://votesmart.org/bill/3083/12790/27110/use-of-military-force-against-iraq#12790
and
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/22/defense?p=5

Please be accurate.

[Demsrule86]

54. He voted for regime change in Iraq so his hands are not clean on this...one Democrat voted against

war in Afghanistan and Sanders has admitted Barbara Lee was right and he was not.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/20/i-was-wrong-bernie-sanders-admits-barbara-lee-only-member-congress-2001-who-had-it

[Thekaspervote]

61. Let's be accurate?? This thread is nothing more than doctored videos and distortion!!

[George II]

3. All that has already been distributed by Sirota and BrieBrie and dismissed as false or exaggerated..

I guess Sanders' apology to Biden didn't trickle down to his surrogates.

[padah513]

14. I don't think his apology was ever intended to trickle down to them

He caught a little flak lately and I think the apology was meant to give him cover from the media. His dogs are on the attack and he didn't tell them to stop.

[George II]

17. In fact Sirota and BrieBrie have intensified the attacks; this is a new entry into the attack pack.

The curious thing is that they haven't come up with anything new in weeks - they're just recycling the same debunked stories and rewording some of them.

And as we've seen since late last week, it's had a negative effect - Sanders continues to drop in the polls.

[lapfog_1]

40. we will call this the "boomerang effect"

the more they push the negative stories about other Democrats, the more their own support goes down.

Especially true with the "boomer generation" (of which I am at the very end).


Folks, make your case FOR your candidate... tell me what they are going to do, how they will pass their programs, and how they will pay for it... then maybe I will decide to support them.

Don't tell me "oh this is just campaign stuff to tell the 'truth' about our opponents in the primary". Didn't work for Kamala Harris (and I donated to her), isn't going to work for anyone else.

[UniteFightBack]

103. This is true, Democrats have no patience for these kinds of attacks in this go round. nt

[PatSeg]

88. You beat me to it

I was going to say the same thing. I think what Bernie says to the camera and what he says to his staff are not necessarily the same.

[R B Garr]

5. Has she figured out who Al Gore is yet?

If she wants to be an expert on the past and all, it’s about time she lets us know she acknowledges Al Gore.

[George II]

8. Inasmuch as the House won't be in session until next week, one would think she'd be busy....

....meeting with constituents as our Representatives are doing instead of tweeting furiously.

[R B Garr]

27. Right, I don't understand why some folks run as if

constituents don’t exist — a little turnaround of her own words for her.

[MrsCoffee]

7. All the Bernie surrogates are desperate.

Expect more flailing and gnashing as Biden pulls away.

[question everything]

11. Will they pledge to vote for the nominee, though?

Reading all the desperate posts here I am not so sure

[Mike Nelson]

9. I wonder if AOC...

... might get alerted here? I think Biden would be a relief after Crooked Donald - and he's a nice man. But people do forget stuff. I tried to explain why I thought Obama picked him, and I was told Biden and Obama were always political allies!

[JoeOtterbein]

10. +1000! Facts are such a pesky thing!

Thanks for posting!

[George II]

19. Yes they are, but not as pesky as false accusations, as we've seen recently.

[Thekaspervote]

63. Yes facts are such pesky little things... there's nothing factual in the OP

[JudyM]

86. Sometimes you need to read a little deeper, like click the links.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20849072/joe-biden-iraq-history-democrats-election-2020

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

I find those facts informative.

Joe should be owning his history and saying he feels differently now, instead of trying to deny facts when there’s an actual record of his senate history and his direct quotes, that’s AOC’s point. People can change and voters can choose to look past the historic facts or not. But don’t deny the truth.

[highplainsdem]

12. I don't understand why some people think ONLY the internet exists and can't be bothered to fact

check.

I don't understand why some people think only their narrow little slice of the party counts, either.

[R B Garr]

15. Right, and Tweets are not facts. See Trump for proof

of that. Good lord, what an embarrassment.

[George II]

22. For the most part a member of congress' constituents don't contact the congressperson....

....via the internet, especially when the majority of them are poor or elderly and don't have access to the internet.

[greatauntoftriplets]

83. They can even do that fact checking on the internet!

[PatSeg]

89. Well said!

[Autumn]

13. So unfair and desperate to use his own words against him.

[m-lekktor]

20. ..

[Thekaspervote]

64. Yes it's desperate for sanders to use his own words against himself!!

[Nanjeanne]

82. But it's all doctored. Yet no one seems to be able to put up the "undoctored" videos where

Biden pops out of the cake and yells “ Just kidding”!!!!!

[UniteFightBack]

104. I think other things are desperate too. nt

[m-lekktor]

18. AOC has a little over 6 million twitter followers so this was viewed by a few people for sure. nt

[George II]

25. That's interesting, she only has about 700K constituents (including infants and children)...

One wonders who all those "followers" are.

[virgogal]

29. Those followers are looking at her to make fun of her,she speaks out too much.

[Perseus]

46. What do you consider too much? What has she said that you feel is too much?

Reminds me of the movie "Amadeus" when the King said Mozart's piece had "too many notes" when they guy was musically deaf but didn't know what to say, he was just repeating what the envious musical court administrator had put in his ear.

How much should a person talk, how many ideas should they deliver to the public? What is the limit?

I love Warren, but she has been criticized for her plans that seem to be "too much", but I am sure you don't think they are too much.

AOC is a fantastic representative of the Democratic party, the same Al Franken was and is, this political fanatism creates too many enemies, and as much as I have loved Hillary, she is not contributing to the unity that we must keep in order to remove the criminal from the WH, and his goons.

This discord must stop, it would be very dangerous if Bernie's supporters stay home come November or the other way around. Bernie could win the nomination, so are you all going to stay home in November and not vote? Or if Biden or anyone else wins the nomination, are Bernie supporters going to stay home? Keep the hate against Bernie and that is what you'll get.

And for Hillary, she should have kept her mouth shut, and I am a big supporter of Hillary.

[R B Garr]

31. It makes you wonder if we can post some little

“fact” Twitters about her...

[Thekaspervote]

65. Oh I see.. cause she has a biggg twitter following, that makes what she says okay??

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[UniteFightBack]

105. Well she best move to that twitter district because she is not going to last here in NY. nt

[mcar]

21. This is not helpful, AOC

[Autumn]

24. Some of us see facts and truth as being very helpful.

Obviously some don't.

[George II]

28. Sadly much of what was posted on twitter (and reproduced in the OP) are not "facts" or "truth".

[Autumn]

30. So you keep saying George. Some of us actually remember details so spin and parsing doesn't sway us

[George II]

36. So why did Sanders half-heartedly apologize the other day, Autumn?

[Autumn]

38. He was being polite George? I personally think he shouldn't have but that was his choice .

It is a primary after all.

[UniteFightBack]

106. How about he was WRONG. nt

[Autumn]

112. You may think he was wrong. Others don't share your opinion. nt

[melman]

50. That had nothing to do with any of these facts presented here

[George II]

80. I know, there were very few facts in AOC's barrage of tweets. And she's paying for it on twitter.

[Autumn]

55. Go on George, speak your truth. I'll speak mine.

Which happens to be the same truth AOC is speaking

[Thekaspervote]

69. Again... they aren't factual!!

[R B Garr]

48. Which is why it's important to hear Clinton's facts

and truths about Sanders.

[Perseus]

52. Nope, Hillary is doing a lot of damage

I love hearing Hillary, but this is a time when, like a friend said to his wife once jokingly when she was nagging at him "Love, you look so much prettier when you are quiet", we all laughed, including her and the nagging stopped.

Well, this is a time when Hillary should have remained quiet. I hope the vitriol stops and we don't divide the Democratic party.

[R B Garr]

56. No. Sanders is the one doing the damage. It's

amazing that this theory that only his supporters need nurturing is still viable. Sanders should be bending over backwards nurturing other Democrats — wouldn’t want to alienate anyone.

[Thekaspervote]

71. Yes sanders is doing lots of damage. Hillary did the right thing. Voters need to hear the truth

About sanders

[Perseus]

93. Joe Biden supporters, if, if Biden wins the nomination, don't complain if Bernie supporters

don't show up to vote in November because they will feel marginalized, and the attacks on their candidate unjust and vile.

Biden supporters love to hear the truth unless the truth is on Biden, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

The unnecessary quarrel must end, we are all on the same side and if we go out of our way to divide ourselves then we have no right to complain when the con is put on the chair again.

[mcar]

99. What?

I love hearing Hillary, but this is a time when, like a friend said to his wife once jokingly when she was nagging at him "Love, you look so much prettier when you are quiet", we all laughed, including her and the nagging stopped.

Are you fcking kidding with this sexist BS? The wife was nagging. She's prettier when she STFU?

[eilen]

115. Wow, that is really a patronizing/sexist example.

Hillary should be a nicer, prettier woman if she would be quiet and stop criticizing Bernie Sanders? Hmmpf. I tell you what... I am no Hillbot but, oh hell, that woman has opinions and she is going to tell them to the world and no one is going to stop her. You might not think that is lady-like, pretty or nice but guess what? Being those things are not her job. And she owes nothing-absolutely nothing to the Democratic Party-- and those in that party that could not bring themselves to vote for her? They did not deserve her. So as she practically saved the Party from insolvency and got crackers for it-- I think she gets to say any thing she wants any way she wants.

[Dem4Life1102]

58. You want facts?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

[Thekaspervote]

67. What's posted isn't facts!! Think again

[Autumn]

70. I see them as fact, you don't and that does nothing to change my point of view. I don't have to

rethink anything. I paid attention.

[UniteFightBack]

102. It's more like hateful. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

98. Oh yes it is.

[The Valley Below]

26. Sanders (et al) are alienating the entire Democratic Party

and giving aid and comfort to Donald J Trump.

This is disgusting.

[Autumn]

35. Senator Sanders is running under the Democratic party banner. You should take your problems

with that up with the party leaders. Contact them. Of course I doubt they will kick him out, they happen to need him.

[George II]

37. You missed the point. He's running under the Democratic Party banner, representing....

....the Democratic Party, and he's alienating many from the Democratic Party. That's what the person you responded to said.

[Autumn]

43. No he's not. Many of us Democrats support him. Some of you don't. The party allowed it, deal with

it or raise hell with them. How people who don't like him feel about him isn't my problem and it doesn't change my view of him in anyway Like I said, you don't want him in "your" party take it up with the party leadership.

[George II]

44. And yet he's falling in the polls - i.e., alienating Democrats and others.

[melman]

49. lol

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479188-sanders-leads-in-california-poll

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/politics/cnn-poll-sanders-biden-january-national/index.html

[George II]

59. lol

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-6879.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

[Thekaspervote]

73. Sanders is really doing very poorly

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. thehill.com

[Autumn]

53. You wish he was falling in the polls. "If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets."

[Autumn]

74. Oh George, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. He's going up in the polls.

De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. I don't know of one Democrat in real life that he is alienating. Posters on the internet, twitter and others don't matter. A lot of them are Bots anyway.

[The Valley Below]

68. Sanders is doing that job for us. He and his surrogates are alienating every wing of the party.

That is not a path to victory for him. Let's hope it's not one for Donald J Trump.

[Thekaspervote]

72. No we don't need him. He will,soon be going home to VT....yeah!!

[nini]

95. That's what they want.. Their main job is to hurt Democrats

Infiltrate the party then tear it up with this crap. It seems more legit when you claim to be playing on our side.

She hasn't fooled me nor has her idol BS.

People are being played like a fiddle here.

[murielm99]

33. How is she doing with constituent services?

Is she ever in her offices in her district? Does she even have offices there?

[George II]

42. As a matter of fact, I just called her office in Queens. It's mid-morning, NO ANSWER....

....("your call cannot be connected as dialed&quot , and as for her "office" in the Bronx, it's a single desk in the office of (State) Assembly Member Reyes' Office. No phone!

As of this month she's been a member of Congress for a year - still no fully-functioning District office.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. I give this... 5 Bazingas!

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

41. Does she have a challenge for her office?

Can I donate to them?

Grr

[George II]

77. She has three - Jose Velazquez, Fernando Cabrera, and the first one to challenge, Badrun Khan....

....all three have had long, distinguished careers of various types IN New York City.

I've given to two of them (very small) but will contribute more to one of them once the June primary approaches. Trust me, the people of the 14th District will NOT be confused about the primary date this year.

[George II]

62. For the first eight years Biden was in the Senate (1973-1981), Sanders never held...

....a steady, full-time job. When sworn in as Mayor of Burlington in 1981, at almost 40 years old, it became the first full-time job he ever held.

[LongtimeAZDem]

66. Yep; that, and much much more.

I would have gone into more detail, but I'm on thin ice right now

[Thekaspervote]

75. This!!

[Midnightwalk]

76. I guess Democrats can't be trusted on social security

Same as the republicans apparently.

Yea that’s sarcasm, but that is a message some will take from this.

We really can’t agree that any democratic candidate would be better than republicans on this and any other issue? We ought to be pummeling republicans on social security and healthcare issues not each other.

I don’t worry one bit that Biden is going to cut social security or not work to improve healthcare. I know the republicans will. I don’t worry that sanders would veto a plan enacted by congress that fell way short of his positions but improved either.

The irony to me is all the policy differences between the candidates probably don’t matter. What gets enacted depends on keeping the house and how much we improve in the senate. Even if we do great we only have 2 years before midterms. If we don’t win the midterms most of our agenda will stall.

The only democratic positions I vehemently hold are that democratic policy is better than republican and that the more we can run up our totals the more of our agenda will get enacted. The bigger our majority the more progressive the resulting policies will be. Not necessarily the reverse.

The arguments between the “excite people with far reaching agenda” and the “don’t over promise and don’t scare the squares” teams are devolving into bickering.

The last thing I’ll say is that rather than living abroad for a year for cultural enrichment, americans should spend a year in a major city and a small town. Arguments that work very well in one don’t work at all in the other.

I really hate primary season.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. THANK YOU MELMEN!! Great post... it's important to educate those who chose to ignore plain facts

regarding Joe's record, which, understandably, has raised eyebrows of many informed voters.

So glad Joe is finally starting to be properly vetted after the mainstream corporate media has essentially given him a pass all these years.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Blue_Tires]

91. You wanna talk about St. Bern's record now or later?

Because I've got those receipts

[Blue_Tires]

84. AOC's first meeting with President Biden next year will be awkward as all fuck...

Or is she planning to pull a Tulsi Gabbard and just work against him from the start??

[oasis]

87. AOC best be out front calling for party unity once Biden gets the nomination.

MSM shit stirrers will be seeking to get an interview from every maverick Democrat.

[Blue_Tires]

85. It's funny because she acts like we don't have receipts on St. Bern.

And no fucking way would AOC want to compare them on a 1-to-1 basis....

[BannonsLiver]

90. I was hoping AOC would use the google to educate herself on who was responsible for Iraq

She and many many others here on DU seem to be very confused about that.

[delisen]

92. The aim here is to take over the Dem Party or destroy it

In 2000 Patrick Buchanan and his sister basically did that to the Reform Party started by Ross Perot.

The takeover attempt got really nasty.

The attempt to take over the Democratic Party by any means possible is not going to go away no matter what happens in the primary or the general election.

It always makes perfect sense to take over an existing enterprise-especially one that others have built and now has assets after being just about bankrupt 6 years ago.

If the attempt to take over the party fails, I predict there will be a sort of Democratic Socialist Patriarchal party formed after the election.

[Blue_Tires]

94. AOC needs to learn how to internet better

Link to tweet

[melman]

96. lol

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[UniteFightBack]

108. She is getting roasted on her thread. Dems are DISGUSTED. nt

[Blue_Tires]

113. Because she's way out of fucking line and everyone knows it

If she wants to promote her favored candidate as a member of the house, then fine... But half-assed smears and signal boosting the Intercept are really bad optics.

[Gothmog]

97. Hey, @AOC , we'll be looking for your social security attack ad on Bernie.

Link to tweet

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[highplainsdem]

100. Bradley Whitford had the PERFECT response to her:

Link to tweet

Yes the internet does exist.

“Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class.” Bernie Sanders 2015

[highplainsdem]

107. Fred Guttenberg tweet about Whitford's tweet:

Link to tweet

This from @BradleyWhitford gets to why this shallow effort to go after @JoeBiden by @BernieSanders and @AOC is unfortunate and wrong and thankfully will not work.

[UniteFightBack]

101. Self delete for promoting right wing talking points. nt

[Gothmog]

109. Yes the internet does exist.

Link to tweet

[David__77]

110. AOC 2028!!!

...

[RandySF]

111. The internet giveth and the internet taketh away.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[eilen]

114. That is rich..

Her dig about Democratic loyalty. She is currently supporting an Independent in the Democratic Primary and advocates and supports primarying Democrats in office.

Whatever AOC.
Maybe she should not act as if the internet is the only thing that exists.