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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:37 AM Jan 2020

NBC: Bernie Sanders can't be allowed to poison another Democratic primary with personal attacks

If it is any consolation, Joe Biden is just the latest Democratic candidate that has been victimized by Bernie's scorched earth, negative attacks. As the article below notes, remember right at the outset of the primaries, Bernie's campaign falsely attacked Beto O'Rourke as being in the pocket of big oil. Bernie is not winning by the power of his ideas. He is winning by his lack of decency and willingness to go negative against his opponents regardless of the consequence.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/bernie-sanders-fans-can-t-be-allowed-poison-another-democratic-ncna953976

And now, though the 2018 Democratic presidential primary has only just begun, those same long knives — mostly courtesy of supporters of Sanders' prospective candidacy — are out for outgoing Rep. Beto O'Rourke, D-Texas, charging that he is not a true progressive.

The reason for these pre-emptive attacks (which has the markings of a coordinated effort) in a spate of news and opinion articles in a variety of publications, is obvious enough: After losing the Texas Senate race to incumbent Ted Cruz, O'Rourke nonetheless has shot to the top in Democratic primary polls since Election Day, overshadowing both Sanders and another left-wing favorite, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

* * *
Berniecrats seem determined to dust off the same destructive playbook this time around, even though the attacks against O'Rourke are flimsy and misleading. O'Rourke unseated a conservative Democrat in a primary and never tacked right in an election in deep red Texas. He has run in favor of federal legislation legalizing marijuana and the impeachment of President Trump, and although he fails their litmus test on free college tuition, their claims that his support is weak for Medicare-for-all don't match his record: As a Senate candidate, he said he would vote for it.

Bernie supporters have made questionable claims about contributions to O'Rourke from the oil and gas industry, as well as his support for certain Republican-sponsored House bills — but neglect to mention that the oil and gas money came mostly from low-level industry employees (hundreds of thousands of Texans are employed by the industry), and that O'Rourke broke ranks with his party less than the average Democrat.
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NBC: Bernie Sanders can't be allowed to poison another Democratic primary with personal attacks (Original Post) TomCADem Jan 2020 OP
YAWN! Can't we all just get along? nt babylonsister Jan 2020 #1
Sadly the attacks are coming from one direction only, and they're accelerated.... George II Jan 2020 #4
You got that right Lordquinton Jan 2020 #10
I do, and it is. George II Jan 2020 #11
No, George has it Exactly right and you know it. Cha Jan 2020 #22
There is a REASON your post will not be responded to, the attacks ARE only coming from one camp. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #51
I understand perfectly Rilgin Jan 2020 #41
Bernie surrogates lied. They attacked Biden with lies, emmaverybo Jan 2020 #55
Talk to BS, babylonsister... Cha Jan 2020 #24
The all-talk do-nothing career politician has nothing to offer but destruction. dalton99a Jan 2020 #2
Marked burrowowl Jan 2020 #3
and whose opinion is that? nt Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #5
So Many. Cha Jan 2020 #32
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #6
Hillary was right to call sanders out!! Thank you HRC Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #7
Ditto!! onetexan Jan 2020 #27
This is a year old. Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #8
He looks prescient at the moment. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #12
Exactly. And It Proved Prophetic. Since Then... TomCADem Jan 2020 #13
Old uncle needs to pack it up & go home onetexan Jan 2020 #28
It's TIMELESS... Cha Jan 2020 #31
And, look where we are... Cha Jan 2020 #59
K&R sheshe2 Jan 2020 #9
Great News for Bernie!!!! JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #14
Are Bernie Sanders' attacks on the media fair - or Trumpian? TomCADem Jan 2020 #15
Thanks again!!!!!! ntn JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #16
Well, I Guess You Can Bernie's Non-Stop Attacks Are Modern Day TomCADem Jan 2020 #56
Thing is . . . ArcticFox Jan 2020 #20
I am not planning to vote for Bernie but I think you make an excellent point. pennylane100 Jan 2020 #21
I'm not planning to vote for Warren either ArcticFox Jan 2020 #26
I'll take Hillary 2.0 in a heartbeat. What is your issue with Hillary? MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #43
Hillary won the Dem nomination in 2014 by a wide margin. A candidate would do well ehrnst Jan 2020 #45
Actually, no. Bernie calls any fact checking on him that doesn't flatter him "attacks." ehrnst Jan 2020 #44
Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #42
Not really. Cha Jan 2020 #63
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #17
Awwwww.. Look at what BS is doing NOW.. Cha Jan 2020 #30
Man people have short memories of how low other Dems could go and no one complained Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #18
Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say TomCADem Jan 2020 #19
No... We have Long Memories.. Cha Jan 2020 #23
2008 primary race. Clinton and Obama went low, sometimes very low. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #34
BS' campaign Cha Jan 2020 #35
I don't care. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #36
That's Obvious. Cha Jan 2020 #38
K&R! nt TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #25
to Shining the Light! Cha Jan 2020 #29
Bernie Sanders's "personal" attacks are attacks on rich people who deserve it. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #33
NO.. BS' campaign is editing and Falsely Smearing Joe Biden Cha Jan 2020 #37
You mean like Elijah Cummings, John Lewis and Stacy Abrams? Gothmog Jan 2020 #46
he has never fooled me for one minute Skittles Jan 2020 #39
Right there with ya! Talkers talk..doers do... Sanders is a talker Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #40
when he claimed to have a paltry net worth Skittles Jan 2020 #49
Hillary Clinton is worried about sanders' negative attacks on real Democrats Gothmog Jan 2020 #47
Bernie should not get away with his false negative attacks using a bro army NYMinute Jan 2020 #48
Co-signed Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #50
Why did sanders call for cuts to social security? Gothmog Jan 2020 #52
BS campaign should have checked this BEFORE Cha Jan 2020 #57
hint: an adjustment is not the same as a cut. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #61
The point is that Sanders is lying about Biden with this Hortensis Jan 2020 #62
It's good to see the rf'ing being called out! R B Garr Jan 2020 #53
I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee, but the bros do him no good and they are ALWAYS in Squinch Jan 2020 #54
Too late, I'm afraid peggysue2 Jan 2020 #58
2 yrs ago by Brock: Dear Senator Sanders: I'm with You in the Fight Ahead aikoaiko Jan 2020 #60
 

babylonsister

(170,958 posts)
1. YAWN! Can't we all just get along? nt
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:40 AM
Jan 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Sadly the attacks are coming from one direction only, and they're accelerated....
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:41 AM
Jan 2020

....as the polls look more dismal.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. You got that right
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:46 AM
Jan 2020

but not the way you intended.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
22. No, George has it Exactly right and you know it.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:57 AM
Jan 2020
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
51. There is a REASON your post will not be responded to, the attacks ARE only coming from one camp.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jan 2020
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Rilgin

(787 posts)
41. I understand perfectly
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:33 AM
Jan 2020

Your thousands of posts daily about Bernie are not attacks because it is important that only Bernie and people who support Bernie attack others. You and some others post daily such non-attacking posts about Bernie daily accusing others of one sided attack posts. You have some strange definitions of what constitutes an attack. It seems to mostly revolve around who is the target of the post.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
55. Bernie surrogates lied. They attacked Biden with lies,
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jan 2020
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dalton99a

(81,062 posts)
2. The all-talk do-nothing career politician has nothing to offer but destruction.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:40 AM
Jan 2020
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Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
5. and whose opinion is that? nt
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:41 AM
Jan 2020
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Thekaspervote

(32,605 posts)
7. Hillary was right to call sanders out!! Thank you HRC
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:42 AM
Jan 2020
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Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
8. This is a year old.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

And comes from David Brock. Controversial figure, indeed.

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TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
12. He looks prescient at the moment.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:55 AM
Jan 2020

Though, many have predicted similar outcomes.

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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
13. Exactly. And It Proved Prophetic. Since Then...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

...His campaign has recently attacked Pete Buttigieg's military service, slammed Warren as a candidate of the elite, and has issued press releases condemning Joe Biden as corrupt. Nothing has changed. Bernie is going scorched earth and spreading lies about everybody.

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onetexan

(12,994 posts)
28. Old uncle needs to pack it up & go home
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:20 AM
Jan 2020

Dems should tell him we dont want him for repeating what he did to Hillary in 2016.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,697 posts)
14. Great News for Bernie!!!!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jan 2020

Another Large Media Corporation Hates Bernie!

Thanks for letting us all know TomCADem!!!!!!!

Wow!

Thanks for standing up for regular Americans instead of big corporations again Bernie!!!!!!!

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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
15. Are Bernie Sanders' attacks on the media fair - or Trumpian?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jan 2020

Who else likes to attack the media?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/bernie-sanders-attacks-media-press-fair-or-trump-2020-democrats

The newsletter landed in supporters’ email inboxes with an ominous subject line: “What We Cannot Discuss.” In it, the author lambasted “the Washington pundits who are paid by the corporations and billionaires who own the media”.

“[C]orporate and billionaire-owned media often tilts coverage against candidates … who push a working-class agenda – an agenda that threatens the political power of corporations and billionaires,” he continued, arguing that such biases have harmed his boss’ presidential campaign.

The author’s boss is, perhaps surprisingly, Democrat candidate Bernie Sanders, and not the notoriously anti-media Donald Trump

In fact, the Vermont senator’s campaign has repeatedly questioned the alleged biases of the mainstream media in recent days, leading some to compare Sanders to the president he hopes to defeat.
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JoeOtterbein

(7,697 posts)
16. Thanks again!!!!!! ntn
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:19 AM
Jan 2020
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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
56. Well, I Guess You Can Bernie's Non-Stop Attacks Are Modern Day
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:35 AM
Jan 2020

Presidential. Attack everyone else, Biden, Pete B, Warren, Etc., 24/7 regardless of the truth. Elevate yourself by tearing down the Democratic party around you.

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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
20. Thing is . . .
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:30 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:12 AM - Edit history (1)

The media treats, or at least during the primaries treated, Trump much more favorably than they treat Sanders. They gave him unlimited airtime with no criticism or fact checking at all.

Trump attacks the media as a fascist, to bully them into submission. To keep them on the path of no resistance.

Bernie merely points out the media bias against even putting him on the air. With him, the media is on the path of most resistance.

There is no similarity whatsoever.

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pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
21. I am not planning to vote for Bernie but I think you make an excellent point.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jan 2020
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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
26. I'm not planning to vote for Warren either
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:17 AM
Jan 2020

In the primaries that is. But I certainly would if Bernie were out. And if he isn't, I hope that Warren will be the nominee.

I still think Biden and the others are Hilary 2.0. Of course I'd vote for any Democrat. Just not sure enough of the right people will.

And the media bias against coverage extends to Warren too. Compared to Trump, it extends to all Democrats. What's that about?

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
43. I'll take Hillary 2.0 in a heartbeat. What is your issue with Hillary?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. Hillary won the Dem nomination in 2014 by a wide margin. A candidate would do well
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jan 2020

to appeal to her supporters, wouldn't they?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. Actually, no. Bernie calls any fact checking on him that doesn't flatter him "attacks."
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jan 2020

In fact, when WAPO reported on the labor dispute in his campaign, he not only lashed out at WAPO for doing their job in reporting on labor rights issues, he lashed out at the union members for exercising their right, protected by the NLRB, to talk to the press, or talking on social media, about labor negotiations, as doing something "improper" and "unacceptable."

"It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," he said. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/07/19/bernie-sanders-campaign-staff-wage-15-hour-union-elizabeth-warren-campaign-wages/1781159001/

My spouse and I are both union members, so I know whereof I speak.

But I'll bite.

Why do you think that the media would have a 'bias' against Bernie?

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:22 AM
Jan 2020

This is how one rationalizes the failures of a distant third-place campaign.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
30. Awwwww.. Look at what BS is doing NOW..
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:53 AM
Jan 2020
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Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
18. Man people have short memories of how low other Dems could go and no one complained
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:22 AM
Jan 2020
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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
19. Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:27 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie takes negativity to whole new level. Press releases announcing that opponents are corrupt? Denying statements that he said a woman can't win that were witnessed by more than just the speakers involved? Bernie has been relentlessly negative not only toward other candidates, but toward the Democratic party in general as his comments to the New York Times made clear when portrayed a false equivalency between the Democratic and Republican party. It is just slash and burn.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html

The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren's apartment in Washington, DC, one evening in December 2018. The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.

The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.

Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.

The description of that meeting is based on the accounts of four people: two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting.
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ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
34. 2008 primary race. Clinton and Obama went low, sometimes very low.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:17 AM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,899 posts)
38. That's Obvious.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:22 AM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,899 posts)
29. to Shining the Light!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:50 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
33. Bernie Sanders's "personal" attacks are attacks on rich people who deserve it.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:16 AM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,899 posts)
37. NO.. BS' campaign is editing and Falsely Smearing Joe Biden
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:21 AM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
46. You mean like Elijah Cummings, John Lewis and Stacy Abrams?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:16 AM
Jan 2020

I was at the national convention when sanders delegates booed these people

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Skittles

(152,963 posts)
39. he has never fooled me for one minute
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:29 AM
Jan 2020

no indeed

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Thekaspervote

(32,605 posts)
40. Right there with ya! Talkers talk..doers do... Sanders is a talker
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:32 AM
Jan 2020
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Skittles

(152,963 posts)
49. when he claimed to have a paltry net worth
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jan 2020

I thought, he's either a shitty money manager or a liar.

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Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
47. Hillary Clinton is worried about sanders' negative attacks on real Democrats
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
48. Bernie should not get away with his false negative attacks using a bro army
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jan 2020

ENOUGH

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
50. Co-signed
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:53 PM
Jan 2020

Too bad the people who need to see this will ignore it.

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Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
52. Why did sanders call for cuts to social security?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,899 posts)
57. BS campaign should have checked this BEFORE
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 02:18 AM
Jan 2020

they started this SHITE..





FALSE!
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Voltaire2

(12,610 posts)
61. hint: an adjustment is not the same as a cut.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jan 2020

Please provide evidence that Sanders was proposing benefit cuts.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. The point is that Sanders is lying about Biden with this
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jan 2020

exact kind of stuff. Behavior that demonstrates bad character should be disqualifying. It is to most of us. I wondered if I could support him back in 2015, but cut him from my list for cause as soon as I did some research, and I didn't know a 10th of it then.

If politicians aren't telling you the truth, they're betraying your trust. For a reason.

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R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
53. It's good to see the rf'ing being called out!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

KnR!

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Squinch

(50,773 posts)
54. I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee, but the bros do him no good and they are ALWAYS in
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jan 2020

the middle of the fights that most divide Democrats.

We can't afford to be dealing with that shit any more.

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
58. Too late, I'm afraid
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:06 AM
Jan 2020

That train has left the station.

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aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
60. 2 yrs ago by Brock: Dear Senator Sanders: I'm with You in the Fight Ahead
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 05:48 PM - Edit history (1)

eta: And only 1 year prior the article which is a year old.


https://medium.com/@DavidBrock/dear-senator-sanders-im-with-you-in-the-fight-ahead-ffd42ae989bb

It’s no secret who I supported. I was one of the most visible and vocal advocates of Secretary Hillary Clinton. Many others backed you, Senator Sanders, with contagious zeal. At times during the Democratic primary, I was criticized for being too aggressive in my support for Secretary Clinton — and rightly so. Looking back, I recognize that there were a few moments when my drive to put Hillary in the White House led me to take too stiff a jab. I own up to that, I regret it, and I apologize to you and your supporters for it.


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