Why would Hillary try to kneecap Bernie now?

[myohmy2]

" HILLARY ON BERNIE: “He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it." "

...seriously, I don't get it...

...Bernie's climbing in the polls?

...she's favoring someone other than Bernie?

...vengeance?

...bad blood?


...you know, division can only help trump...

...why do you think Hillary would try to kneecap Bernie now?

...I really would like to know...

[The Valley Below]

1. She went really easy on Sanders.

[marble falls]

5. I think.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

2. ALL GOOD QUESTIONS!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[marble falls]

3. "Knee cap", just a bit over the top, wouldn't you say?

[bucolic_frolic]

23. Yes, ridiculously so.

[Gothmog]

64. I am still struggling to see how sanders had any real chance of being the nominee

How can one knee cap someone and take something away when it was never likely that sanders would be the nominee

[marble falls]

96. I don't think he can win now, either. He wasn't 'knee caped" then or now.

[pecosbob]

97. This

What alternate reality did people suddenly wake up within to lead them to believe Sanders could ever win a general? It's beyond my ability to understand.

[ehrnst]

162. +1000.

[Kurt V.]

4. She's angry. She's human.

[myohmy2]

12. okay...

...I can see Bernie may not be her favorite candidate...

...but why not just come out and endorse and support the candidate of your choice instead of attacking a Democratic contender and possibly sow seeds of division?

...this throws gasoline on a potential fire and could leave a lasting bitter taste which would only benefit trump...

...why now?...

[unitedwethrive]

31. I think she feels like she has more direct knowledge of him than most, and

really experienced the darker side during the last campaign. I see it as a public service type announcement, but again, we are all free to make up our own minds on the character of each candidate.

[Hortensis]

92. Agree.

[Thekaspervote]

43. Sanders has publicly stated he is unsure if he will support the dem nominee

She’s speaking the truth and sanders needs to be outed!!

While Sanders is coyly hiding behind the “some people say” formulation, he is threatening to repeat the tactics he used in 2016, when he called the process “rigged” and withheld his support long after the outcome was decided.

More at the link


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html

[Tom Rinaldo]

93. THIS IS FALSE. STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION

Yes I realize that the "headline" you cite cuts off the full sentence, but is it asking too much to read the first paragraph?:

(Bolding is by me)

"NBC’s Kasie Hunt asked Bernie Sanders if he would commit to supporting the Democratic nominee before the convention if it’s clear it won’t be him."

Sanders is unambiguously on public record that he will support the official nominee of the Democratic Party for President.

[pnwmom]

53. Maybe she doesn't have a preference among the candidates

as long as it's not Bernie (or Tulsi).

[ehrnst]

110. ...it was a year ago...

...the documentary that included that interview where she answered that question is coming out soon...

... ..

...but it seemed OK timing for Bernie...

Link to tweet

...


...

[pfeiffer]

17. I don't feel she's angry at all.

I just feel she called a Spade a Spade. But just my opinion...no debating with Mr. Kurt.

[Kurt V.]

22. vonnegut is obviously my hero. i just try to channel. :)

[Thekaspervote]

30. This!!

[oasis]

6. Hillary lays out what she believes to be the facts. It's vetting time, y'all.

[Autumn]

21. Believes being the operative word. Many people believe differently.

[oasis]

26. "Hillary is wicked smart", says Obama of Hillary. "Many people" agree with him.

As a matter of fact, most Democrats agree. That's why she was our 2016 nominee.

[Autumn]

29. Yes she was the 2016 nominee. I agree with you on that. Watching any of Donald Trumps impeachment?

[oasis]

37. Impeachment?...yes I'm watching.

Slow going but, hey, "The more you know".

[progressoid]

138. "Many people"

We should probably avoid that empty phrase.

Especially since trump uses it nearly every day.

[Autumn]

141. You are right. She is wicked smart. She was the 2016 nominee. Trump won the electoral college. nt

[ehrnst]

139. Yes, that video of him released the other day just doesn't support what Hillary said at all...

Link to tweet

And apparently these people who've worked for and with him know NOTHING.

[Hav]

7. Who says she intended to kneecap him?

It's not always all about Bernie. It was part of a documentary that covers several issues and it has been in the works for some time.
She offered a firsthand, truthful insight.

[msongs]

8. its a note of caution based on one person's recent history nt

[Thekaspervote]

50. Just like she warned us about Russia's interference in 16 ...and didn't listen!!

[MaryMagdaline]

9. For the same reason she went after Tulsi

She took a risk both times to bring down these two candidates. She must believe it will have the desired effect of lowering his chances of winning the nomination. She is strongly against him and hopes to save Democrats from losing in November. Again we will see if she’s right or if she’s being reckless.

[LisaM]

24. I think that's a good, spot-on analysis (though I also disagree that this is 'kneecapping'). n/t

[Generic Brad]

80. It is if Bernie is the Nancy Kerrigan of candidates

Sounds like you can’t picture him skating in a tutu.

[Mister Ed]

10. I don't know. I asked myself that question...

...and the best guess I could come up with is that she, personally, is worried that the Sanders' campaign may be kneecapping the eventual nominee, if that nominee is anyone but Bernie.

That's sheer guesswork on my part, though, and no better than anyone else's guess. Any of the other guesses put forth in the OP could also be true. Or all of our guesses might be off the mark.

[Thekaspervote]

33. If that's just guess work, you've done well!!

[betsuni]

41. I agree.

It must not happen again.

[elleng]

11. BAD judgment

[George II]

13. She was being truthful.

[Butterflylady]

20. Evidently

Some don't like hearing the truth.

[Horizens]

14. Because

she wants the party to nominate a Democrat.

[Wawannabe]

123. Boom boom

Nailed it!

[NY06DemSoc]

127. I prefer

... democrats to Democrats. One only needs to have principles to be a democrat. Democrat is just a brand name.

[Horizens]

146. Horsehockey

Sanders has run for office as member of the Liberty Union Party, an Independent, a Democrat, an Independent and a Socialist. He’ll feed at whatever trough suits his immediate political need.

The Democratic Party is … a political party … Sanders is not a member and ought not be the party’s nominee.

[nancy1942]

151. I agree with you.

[ehrnst]

140. +1000.

[OKNancy]

15. She was asked a question and she told her true feelings

and she did say what many think. He is not well liked in the Senate. Other Senators won't sit with him in the lunchroom because they don't want lectures. His online supporters ARE rude as heck. She told the truth.
Now, it's not 99% of DU posters she means, it's the twitter turds.

ET: found this old article from 2015

On Capitol Hill, Sanders has a reputation for being a pain in the ass. “Bernie believes that he’s right, and that what he wants is for the greater good,” says Houston consultant Susan Boardman Russ, formerly the longtime chief of staff for the late Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords. “Bernie is so certain that what he represents politically is unquestionably correct, therefore everyone should agree. Not much room for compromise…it was, ‘Play in my sandbox, or get out.’”

After Sanders’s 16 years in the House and almost nine in the Senate, there are not many legislators in his sandbox. Not a single major congressman, senator, or governor has endorsed him for president.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2015/09/29/bernie-sanders/

[Rilgin]

71. Find an article before 2015

You post an article from 2015 after he had both declared as a candidate and had his popularity take off. I assume that Susan Russ supported Hillary and this is a bash.

Find someone before the 2016 campaign started that states that he has a generally bad reputation. It was a surprise to everyone that he became a national figure but in democratic circles he was pretty well liked by everyone before that INCLUDING HILLARY. They worked together on her push for health care in Bill's administration.

I assume that just because I could post numerous articles stating that some person with a public voice states that Hillary is not trustworthy and a liar you would not consider the case closed on Hillary. Give Bernie the same skepticism and find someone who said something universal before the campaign. You really wont be able to because he was actually viewed pretty favorably although not one who had a lot of political power.

[betsuni]

81. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511439596

[Rilgin]

86. Yes we know Barney Frank did not like Bernie

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:29 AM - Edit history (1)

As I said, my wife does not like my mother and has not for years. That does not mean anything about either of them on a global level. It just means they don't get along; it does not prove anything about them as people generally.

You posted an article saying Bernie conflicted with Barny on passing an amendment and use it to claim that noone likes working with him. Yes, it is clear that at least at that time Bernie and Barney conflicted. I will note that this article was from Bernie's first six months in congress and says nothing about his long term relationship with other congress members and there is absolute proof that it is not the case that people did not work with him.

Sanders was a founding member and leader of the Progressive Caucus so obviously and definitively people some congress people liked and worked with him. It had and has many members. The democratic party authorities have accepted his caucus as well. You find 2 people with their own baggage and motives one of which from his first six months in office and the other during a contentious political campaign where press assets were pressed to actively try to get Bernie out of the race and assert as proven something about him that is clearly at odds with his history.

Btw with equally fast work, I found the article about Hillary working with Bernie which again is not proof that everyone loves him but does prove that everyone does not dislike him. All politicians have people who have a bone to pick with them. You should know that about politicians you support as well.

You probably know it anyhow but here is one of many articles of Hillary thanking Bernie for his work on her attempts to pass Health Care in Bill's administration. Not only was there a thank you note but a picture that sure looks like she worked with him although according to you that was impossible.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-health-care-thank-you/

Instead of trying to assert something about Bernie as fact, why don't you stick to the truth. YOU DONT SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT. That I can not challenge. It is your right. It is a lie to present as fact a claim that nobody else likes him.

[betsuni]

90. ...

[ehrnst]

108. People have been commenting on this for years.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657

https://www.lansingcitypulse.com/stories/the-trouble-with-bernie,4622

[Rilgin]

117. Once Again 2015

Both of these articles are from after he declared his presidential run. Every candidate has people who comment on them after they nominate. I have read your posts for years. There were many more negative articles about Hillary after she declared for another presidential run than before. Do you think the fact that someone published an opinion or article in 2015 that stated that Hillary was a liar all her life, proved that. Of course not

Every single candidate and person on this planet has people that have liked them and people who have not over the course of his life. When they declare for public office, lots of people claim things about candidates that are not true. He has had people who have worked with him his whole political career as well as people who disagree with him. Some of them cloak their political disagreements with attacks on a persons character. Does that seem familiar with respect to candidates you support?

[ehrnst]

118. Again: They are coworkers, staff and colleagues talking about incidents going back decades

Every candidate has people who comment on them after they nominate.

If you assume that every comment that came out after Sanders declared that vets him in a way that is not flattering is an attack, then you must also apply the same metric to any comment that flatter him as being equally suspicious in their accuracy.

Are you doing that?

Doesn't look like it.

When they declare for public office, lots of people claim things about candidates that are not true.

Disregarding any vetting that you don't like as being false or an attack isn't applying critical thought. One also needs to be aware of the silence of lots of people who have worked directly with the candidate when it comes time for endorsing them, yes?

Some of them cloak their political disagreements with attacks on a persons character.

Are you saying that about the comments of those who worked FOR him? Did you even read the articles? Those people say that he has good ideas. They are referring to how he is to work with. Barney Frank said these things years ago, when he and Sanders started working together.... Did Bernie tell he him he was going to declare someday?

Does that seem familiar with respect to candidates you support?

False equivalency aside, the opinions that I posted are from people who have worked with Bernie. And yes, I take endorsements into account.

If someone's coworkers, en masse, don't recommend them for a promotion, one doesn't assume all those coworkers are lying.

Just as one doesn't assume when the vast majority of another's coworkers strongly recommend them as a qualified and pleasant candidate for the promotion, that they have 'threatened' all those people to praise them...

Does that seem familiar with respect to candidates you support?

Lack of endorsements from one's colleagues and coworkers indicates that one has alienated one's colleagues and coworkers them, or they don't think that person is qualified. Do you recall any articles coming out with statements from co-workers and colleagues about Hillary being difficult to work with or abusive to staff over the years? No? If there had been, it would have been immediately posted on DU. And, of course the sheer numbers of people who have worked with her that endorsed her would have disproved that immediately. Perhaps that's why no one tried to promote that lie. Lies about other things were spread right here about her, such as "she publicly went after the women who accused Bill" and if one did state the fact that this smear was based on a private conversation where she was expressing frustration about her marriage and was leaked," one was called "naive," and a "correct the record shill."

So does that answer your question?

Interestingly, now Sanders is attempting to make being personally disagreeable into a plus. How do you square that with your assumption that only those who have political disagreements with him are saying this about him?

Link to tweet

You've "been reading my posts for years" should I be flattered? Or intimidated into silence thinking you are going to find something contradictory in my previous posts, especially concerning Hillary or Warren?

[Rilgin]

165. Glad you spent time missing my point

My point is that every person in the world has people in their past that did not get along with them or have an opinion about them that is less than accurate. I am sure that is true of you and sure its true of every candidate who has worked with people. Do you know Bernie, NO. Do you know the person who wrote the article. NO Do you know the people who are quoted saying bad things about him. NO. When you claim something about someone;s character without any real knowledge based on a few articles during a campaign you are just spreading gossip based on your own biases.

I really didn't want to spend a lot of time researching. Here is an article (unfortunately from Forbes) about attitudes of employees to their bosses. Let me give you a hint, its not always favorable. With a public figure doing things like politicians, every single one of them will have co workers, employees, and peers that have not liked them over time. If you want to do a hit piece on a candidate its easy to find one sided evidence to malign their character. That is my problem with this thread and the daily attacks. Its all by people who don't like Bernie and pretend that its based on fact. Here is one but it would be easy to find more. Look in the mirror and think of your own past. If someone wanted to cherry pick your past, could you put together an article full of quotes from people who have some bone to pick with you, small or big.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamarruda/2017/12/12/what-employees-really-think-about-their-boss/


Is someone you know shy or stuck up. It depends on who you talk to ALWAYS. Over a person's life, people change and their interactions with people vary. My early girl friends I am sure have different views of who I am then my wife of 30 years and my daughters. We change over time and people always have different perceptions on who you are depending on who they are. You post an article by someone you don't know and call it fact and ignore the fact. You ignore his popularity with other democrats for years. You claim his co-workers cant work with him and ignore his work with the Progressive Caucus and other issues some of care about. Hillary now hits him. I earlier posted an article showing a note thanking him for all his work with you. You don't like Bernie. Others do. Don't like his policies go ahead. Claim that no one will work with him based on the fact that when Bernie was first in congress, he ran into Barny Frank (also with a reputation of being opinionated and stubborn) and a claim by one or more journalists that his co workers don't like him is below you.

You are spreading gossip from articles during a campaign. I am a fan of Elizabeth who you seem to support and she is probably my candidate this year. However, its easy to find articles calling her "cold", "calculating" "school marmish". I am sure you would dismiss these articles because they are in the middle of a campaign where press people have mixed motives. Further they have elements of traditional sexist attacks on women. In Bernie's case, some of the character attacks reference traditional Anti-Semetic attacks on Jewish men.

I hope you actually get the point. Post all you want disagreeing with his policies and favoring policies put out by your favored candidates. Posting character attacks are character attacks no matter how many times you say they are not attacks. These type of attacks are bad politics not good politics.

[samnsara]

16. well....guess why!

[mcar]

18. Kneecap? Really?

Maybe she just answered a question truthfully, based on past experience.

[The Valley Below]

19. EXCELLENT judgement!!!

Ask David Sirota why HRC may have felt compelled to speak up now.

Or ask Elizabeth Warren. Or ask millions of other Democratic loyalists.

[Progressive dog]

25. If Bernie supporters intend to divide from the Democratic party

because a former Democratic candidate told what she sees as the truth about Bernie, they probably don't support the Democratic party.
I believe Elizabeth Warren instead of Bernie, Bernie already used doctored videos of Joe Biden in his ads.

[Quixote1818]

36. Just a reminder that his is what started the division in the first place

[Progressive dog]

42. Having Democrats run the Democeatic party

is a strange thing to complain about.

[underthematrix]

27. Look you can't have it both ways. Either he's got the juice to withstand the hard knocks

or HRC and others have the juice to be a foil to his candidacy. I think the people who support him still do.

[Cha]

28. Hillary Lobbed a Truth Bomb! Too bad

some can't deal.

[Quixote1818]

40. Someone should lob one back at her

Because the party would be a lot more united had this never happened:

[Thekaspervote]

45. Oh get real!!

[Cha]

46. That's ON EW.

[betsuni]

52. Warren: "the overall 2016 primary process was fair and Hillary made history."

She and Donna Brazile said it wasn't rigged.

[MrsCoffee]

125. Obviously that someone isn't you.

[NY06DemSoc]

129. Truth

If Hillary actually cared about the primary producing a good candidate she'd stick to talking about policy and not run down any of the democratic candidates. Except Tulsi. She can say whatever she wants about Tulsi.

[Atticus]

32. Maybe I missed it. What did she say that was untrue? nt

[SCVDem]

34. Why is the term "Bernie Bros." even a thing?

And not in a positive way?

This has me concerned as recent history shows.

[RazBerryBeret]

35. this is actually helping Sanders...

#IlikeBernie has been trending all day on twitter. people are posting their donation receipts. pretty interesting.

[Scurrilous]

82. LOL

They did the same after Sanders got slammed by NYT w/ #endorsebernie. It trended too!! It's how they react to criticism.

It is interesting how they post their receipts like a proof of loyalty. Can an oath be far behind?

They're behind a paywall, so no link:

NY Times (4/8/2019) - The Democratic Electorate On Twitter Is Not the Actual Democratic Electorate

Good article. It shows that what happens on Twitter doesn't affect a damn thing at the ballot box.

[ehrnst]

109. .....

[MineralMan]

38. Kneecap? Really?

That's what he tried, and failed, to do to her in 2016. If you give it out, you need to be able to take it.

[Uncle Joe]

39. I believe Hillary is afraid that Bernie will win the nomination and then beat Trump.

Thanks for the thread myohmy.

[Thekaspervote]

47. Bernie is really doing very poorly

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. thehill.com

[Demsrule86]

78. Neither of those things will happen.

[Squinch]

44. She doesn't like him. She said so. To the bernie bros, that's "kneecapping."

Was lying about Biden's position on SS over and over and over and over and over again kneecapping? Funny how I didn't see any bros referring to it that way.

[Thekaspervote]

48. Bingo!!

[betsuni]

54. +1

[The Valley Below]

49. Where are snake emojis when we need them?

[pnwmom]

51. Probably because she thinks there are other candidates who would do a better job.

A better job at beating Trump, and at being President.

[melman]

55. "he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney "

Link to tweet

[apcalc]

60. Two different things

[melman]

61. What are?

[Autumn]

56. An interesting article I found that points out some of her grievances against Bernie aren't quite

true.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-attack-hollywood-reporter-fact-check.html#comments

Clinton’s resentment of Bernie Sanders is not entirely unfounded. The Vermont senator did remain in the 2016 primary through the very end (of its first year, anyway), despite the fact that he had no plausible path to a delegate majority by early spring. Further, given how close the general election proved to be, it is conceivable that, had Bernie Sanders never entered the 2016 primary, Donald Trump would have never entered the Oval Office.

But then, one could plausibly say the same thing about Clinton. We can’t know whether Bernie (or Martin O’Malley) would have won. But we do know that Clinton ultimately proved to be the second-most-unpopular major-party nominee in American history. And we also know that Clinton pulled few punches — and offered no timely surrender — during her 2008 campaign against Barack Obama, which makes her complaints about Sanders’s intransigence and attacks in 2016 more than a little hypocritical.

All this said, Clinton’s antipathy for Sanders is understandable. But the criticisms she levies in a new interview with The Hollywood Reporter range from misleading to mendacious. Her refusal to pledge her support for Sanders in a general election, meanwhile, would be shameful even if her critiques of the socialist senator were all indisputably true.

It is true that Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for years and that Jeff Merkley was the only senator to endorse him in the 2016 primary. But everything else Clinton says here is false. Eight members of Congress have endorsed the Vermont senator this cycle, including the co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and three of the House’s most prominent first-term congresswomen. The fact that these lawmakers have rallied to Sanders’s side — despite the presence of another viable progressive candidate in the race — suggests that they have a high-level of interest in working with him.

A lot more at the link.

[JudyM]

79. Seems like a balanced piece, useful addition: truth.

[Squinch]

62. The misogyny drips from this post. I bet you don't even know how blatant you are.

[Skid Rogue]

58. Kneecap? Really, Bro?

I don't know? Maybe she thinks, like many of us, he hasn't got a snowball's chance of winning in the general.

[apcalc]

59. I see Huffpost is stirring the pot again.

Sanders/Warren, Sanders/Biden, now Sanders/Clinton....

They love to instigate...don’t respond!!!

DROP IT. We have too much else to worry about.

[Gothmog]

63. Kneecapping implies that sanders had a meaningful chance of being the nominee

I will support the nominee of the party but in the real world there was very little chance of sanders becoming the nominee. sanders has little support from African American voters and without that support sanders will not be the nominee There are far too many real Democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget

[UniteFightBack]

65. It's a well know fact that nobody likes Bernie over there. Now I'm not saying they dislike him but

he is not hey let's hang out, or Happy Birthday to you...let's have cake. He's not popular.

[Skya Rhen]

66. Because, like all frontrunners, it's about time that he got seriously vetted - somebody had to do it

[lees1975]

67. Hillary just needs to get on board

and avoid influencing or endorsing anyone else in the field. Her fundraising ability would sure be an asset.

[Politicub]

68. Maybe she's sick of the patriarchy, like a lot of us.

I’m finished with coddling toxic masculinity, and I say this as a man.

Hillary has a right to her opinion, and is the last person who needs to be mansplained.

[MrsCoffee]

69. She has every right to speak up and warn us.

It would behoove us to actually listen to what she is saying.

[Gothmog]

70. Clinton say she has grown worried that attacks from Sanders'campaign could hurt the future Democrats

Link to tweet

[dustyscamp]

73. Stronger Together

[trueblue2007]

72. Cuz BS is full of crap

[Gothmog]

74. Here is wny sanders has been telling lies about Joe Biden

Link to tweet

[NJCher]

75. she's baiting him

and it's a bait campaign.

The first wave was Elizabeth Warren accusing him of lying about her on national TV.

The second phase is HRC saying nobody likes him.

It's a planned campaign to get Bernie to lose it. They are genuinely, sincerely scared because he is in the lead.

They hope Bernie might lose it but what they really, really want is for Bernie's supporters to lose it.

This seems so obvious but I only see one post on this thread that comes close to understanding that this is the strategy.

[Gothmog]

76. Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat and is concerned about the party and defeating trump

sanders is a very weak candidate general election candidate who trump would have no trouble destroying. The Clinton campaign had a very well written (thank you Marc Elias) 101 page memorandum on oppo research on sanders plus 1000+ pages of back up.

Link to tweet

sanders was such a weak candidate that there was no need to use this oppo on sanders. Hillary Clinton knows that sanders would be very easy to destroy in the general election by trump

Link to tweet

[NJCher]

88. we have a new measure

It's called the Gothmog Panic Index (GPI). The stronger Bernie gets, the higher number of posts that have nothing to do with nothing by Gothmog.

The index has been established 1/22/2020.

The suggested reaction to the GPI going over the moon is

[Gothmog]

94. LOL. sanders is collapsing and Joe is up to almost 50% to be the nominee

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

98. I am glad that Joe Biden is not treating sanders with kid gloves

sanders was a weak and ineffective candidate last cycle that no one bother to vet him and the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves because sanders had no chance in the real world of being the nominee. The press did not vet sanders because sanders was such a weak candidate and it would have been a waste of their time VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign because of the amusing over-reactions of the Sanders supporters in the primary process. It appears that you are upset that Hillary Clinton did not use all of the oppo research that was available. Sanders was a weak candidate and would have been destroyed if the oppo research was used.

I am glad that Biden is not treating this weak candidate with kid gloves and that Joe is calling sanders out for his lies

[Gothmog]

111. Why did sanders call for cuts to social security?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[dgauss]

83. "Bait campaign" is a good description.

Out of the millions of Sanders supporters someone will lose it online and there will be people waiting for it.

Then will come the "OMG Bernie supporters are vile, I supported him in 2016 but this is too much. He is divisive."

Then will come demands for apologies.

If there isn't an apology issued, that's bad. If there is that's just more evidence of... well something too late or disingenuous or bad in some other way, it doesn't really matter because it's just another negative narrative to reinforce.

People seem to feel good about condemning politics as usual but then participate in it enthusiastically when the alignment works for them.

[Wawannabe]

124. Cenk! nt

[democratisphere]

77. Heads up!

Before it is too late agsin.

[GulfCoast66]

84. I'm wonder what John Lewis thinks?

Because, yeah. Some of us will never forget...nor forgive.

[ArtTownsend]

87. To promote her Hulu show. nt

[Duppers]

89. Why not go after tRump like this?

More often, I mean.

[MrsCoffee]

91. Exactly the question that should be asked of Bernie.

[Tarc]

95. Because Biden is faltering

[Gothmog]

99. Not in the real world

Nate Silver has Biden at 50% to be the nominee and sanders is falling like a rock

[Tiggeroshii]

104. 43% actually

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/


2/5 over Bernie's 1/5


National Poll averages have Biden +6.2 down from close to ten a couple weeks ago.

[Demsrule86]

100. Wishful thinking. Warren is fading I am sad to say as she is my second choice.

[janterry]

101. Because she's just another moderate, establishment democrat

and she doesn't want the party to go farther left.

I do.

GO Bernie!!

[budkin]

115. This.

[PubliusEnigma]

102. Bernie's wasting peoples' time again.

[whistler162]

105. True....

given that, Senator Sanders is doing an excellent job of kneecapping himself!

[missingthebigdog]

106. Because she's a patriot

And a mother. And a grandmother. And a genius.

She loves this country, and her kids, and her grandkids. She knows that if someone doesn’t step in and point out the obvious, all of those things are in grave danger.

Bernie, and his “Bernie or Bust” followers, are a good part of the reason why winning by three million votes still resulted in a loss.

Those of us who love this country, our children, and our grandchildren have to do whatever it takes to undo the damage being done by Trump and the GOP. Bernie is an impediment to that. If he cares as much as he claims he does, he needs to go to work mending fences and steering his vocal followers toward a candidate that can win. I’m not holding my breath.

[ehrnst]

107. ....you mean why would she say this a year ago...

...when the documentary was being made...

...kneecap?.....

....with something that people have been commenting about for YEARS?...

...including Bernie just the other day....

Link to tweet

?


...doesn't that mean he was 'kneecapping' himself?....

....sounds difficult.....

.... .....

... ...

[myohmy2]

113. I...

...have no idea when the documentary or the comments were made, but it's being released public NOW...

...NOW, 2 weeks before Iowa...

...no kneecaps involved...Bernie doesn't put up with bullshit...

...that's why we love him...

...that's why he'll kick trump's ass...

...I think you'll like Bernie a lot better once he becomes President...

[ehrnst]

114. ...magical thinking always works...

...doesn't it?...

...Bernie doesn't put up with bullshit....

....nothing like someone who rails against the abusive corporate elite, while oneshares profits with them....

...sadly, one needs to win the majority of votes a primary in order to 'kick ass' in a general....

...doesn't one?...

...I think you'll be OK when Bernie finally concedes to the winner of the 2020 primary....

...

[Gothmog]

112. Why did sanders call for cuts to social security?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NYMinute]

116. ... Why is Sanders keeping quiet about it? ....

..... because Hillary is accurate?.....


......guilty conscience? .....


......a ratfucking response has not been formulated yet? ....


......He knows she has had him? ........

[ehrnst]

119. I think that this tweet was released for damage control..trying to make "disagreeable" into a virtue

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

120. ....It was said a year ago...

...perhaps understanding what is and isn't fact said would make one's attacks more effective...

...if division can only 'help trump' you should tell Sanders....

...besides...

...Sanders is attempting to make being disagreeable into a virtue....

...perhaps he's trying to cover the silence of the hundreds of his colleagues and staffers over the years who aren't rushing to disagree with Hillary...

Link to tweet

[myohmy2]

121. well...

...you can spin it as you wish...

...I'm just worried some may be preferring four more years of trump to four years of Bernie...

...division serves no one but trump...

[MrsCoffee]

132. Your concern is noted.

And is completely ludicrous.

I know you don't actually fucking worry that anyone here would prefer four more years of Trump over Bernie. That's some simplistic transparent bait there.

What we would prefer is a candidate that doesn't attack the Democratic Party on the reg. What we would prefer is a candidate that doesn't surround himself with third party supporters. What we would prefer is a candidate who can unite the party instead of hiring surrogates who seem intent on trashing other candidates and burning the party to the ground. What we would prefer is a candidate not pretending to sell a fake revolution that makes OUR PARTY the problem instead of the Republicans.

You are correct. Division serves no one but Trump.

[myohmy2]

133. "I know you don't actually fucking worry..."

...

...I do...

[ehrnst]

137. ...pearl clutching from the author of...

we need to build a strong, jam-it-down-your-throat coalition

non-establishment candidate that's willing to fight hard and kick ass

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=426495

trump-bashing and ass-kicking, Bernie will be there, handing trump his own ass in a handbasket...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=427956

...goodness me...






...

But gee.. the candidate that Hillary described fits your description of the perfect candidate more than it does Bernie...

[myohmy2]

143. everyone...

...has to clutch a pearl once in a while...

...Bernie not being favored by the establishment does worry me...

...think of corporations, think of what Bernie want to do with corporations...

...there are things greater than politics...

...like money...

[ehrnst]

145. ...yes it's good that there are those looking out for the people concerning $$$ in politics....

https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

...Common Cause - truly servants of democracy and defender of the people!...

...

[myohmy2]

147. why...

...do you dislike Bernie so much?

...Liz and Bernie are almost carbon copies...

...although I do believe Bernie's the original...

[ehrnst]

148. why...

....Are you so unhappy that we have non-partisan groups that investigate anyone, no matter party affiliation, or lack thereof?...

...that doesn't sound very progressive...

...if Bernie truly is the progressive ideal that you say he is...

...why the sad face, and accusation that I 'don't like Bernie?"....

...do you think that Common Cause 'dislikes Bernie?"...

...can you tell me why?....

...

...

[ehrnst]

149. ...why do you think Commondreams "dislikes" Bernie so much?....

...they've posted it on their "newswire" section...

...why do you think they would do that?....

... ...

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2020/01/22/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution

[myohmy2]

150. Bernie...

...seems to bother you...

...why does the Party allow Bernie to run under their banner?

...why doesn't the Party distance themselves from Bernie (or give him the boot) if Bernie's not a 'proper Democrat'?

...you really should petition the Democratic Party and/or the DNC with your grievances to make some rule changes...


...division benefits no one but trump and maybe a few others...

[ehrnst]

154. ...Divisiveness....

...Doesn't seem to bother you at all when it comes to candidates who identify as Democrats...

...one shouldn't whine about that, lest someone points out the pot calling the kettle black...

...remember....

...division benefits no one but trump and maybe a few others...



...why don't some people appreciate the DNC welcoming Bernie with open arms to run on our ticket, even when he clearly states "I don't consider myself a Democrat" and that he runs on the Democrat ticket, not because he wants to be a Democrat, because of media coverage and funding not available to an Independent?

...you really should be grateful to the Democratic Party and/or the DNC for this generosity and big tent...

[myohmy2]

152. we...

...really have to stop meeting likes this...

...this thread's gotten too long, too hard to follow...

...why don't you start a new Bernie-Bashing thread and we can start over fresh...


...at your service...

[ehrnst]

155. ...you keep on stopping by....

...why don't you start a new Bernie-Bashing thread and we can start over fresh...

...right after you start another Democratic candidate/leader bashing thread. That seems to be your wheelhouse....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287308911

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287437866

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212482617

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287315815 (got a two for one there...)

... had to self-delete one about Speaker Pelosi, eh?...



...and you jump right in on threads started by others...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=441470



...always at your service...

[myohmy2]

157. absolutely...

...I strongly support Bernie's candidacy...

...I highly recommend anyone who hasn't made up their minds to read those threads, all my posts...


"...right after you start another Democratic candidate/leader bashing thread. That seems to be your wheelhouse.... "

...


...another long way to go to call the kettle black...

...

[ehrnst]

158. ...'i know you are but what am i"...

...that's the reposte you've ended up with?...

...sad...

...do keep stopping by...

...after scolding others for "being divisive"..

...and I'll still keep proffering this...



...and you can still pretend that it shows someone else...

...but everyone else knows what's going on...

...utilizing the ignore feature might limit the anxiety...

...

[myohmy2]

160. don't...

...be silly...

...think what you want, do what you want...

...you say what you have to say and I'll say what I have to say...

...if you think this is good for Part unity, I think that speak volumes...

...division benefits no one but trump...

...you do agree?

...you lead me to links with little or nothing, mostly Bernie-Bashing or Bernie-Supporter bashing...

...we're tired of that 'Bernie's not a proper Democrat' birther-type rage...

...again, if you think this is good for Party unity, well...

[ehrnst]

161. ....keep ...

...on telling yourself that scolding others for "divisiveness" or "rage" ...



...is convincing...

...don't be silly...



...accusing a long time DUer of "birtherism type" nonsense, or "bashing Democrats"?...



... ...

...we're tired of that 'Bernie's not a proper Democrat'....

..are you calling Senator Sanders a liar?....

Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat



...take a break and calm down...



...no Bernie bashing allowed!....

...utilizing the ignore feature might limit the anxiety...

...

[ehrnst]

164. ..."Birther rage"...you mean like the kind Joe Rogan is known for promoting?...

....via a Breitbart share no less...

Link to tweet

...

[sheshe2]

153. Carbon copies?

Hardly.

She has actually accomplished somethings. See the CFPB:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287325662

He talks. She walks the walk and gets it done.

[ehrnst]

159. The CFPB -one of the most consequencial Dem achievements on behalf of the 98%

and she wasn't even Senator yet!

Already lapping others who had been there year, in terms of progressive accomplishment.

She an original...talk about kicking ass, taking names and forming coalitions using the deep respect and regard that she had from her peers.

Everyone likes working with her, even Bernie.

Obama was called a lot of things by the far left, but you can't say he failed to get significant concrete progressive results even in the face of GOP obstructionism.

[ehrnst]

156. ....carbon copies? hardly...

(that's Tammy Baldwin, but doesn't she look like Liz? Listening, taking notes, fully present, preparing to kick ass!)

[ehrnst]

136. ....

[ehrnst]

135. ..well....speaking of 'division'...

...for some, apparently some that decry "division" are happy to jump in when they believe it that they believe works against anyone but their candidate...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287428236

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287258287#post8

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287324865#post7

..pot...meet divisive kettle...

...I'm just worried some may be preferring four more years of trump to any candidate but their own...

...

...as for 'spinning'...

...some seem to give up 'spinning' altogether when someone responds with facts...

..sometimes silence in the face of facts speaks volumes about the strength of one's point, doesn't it?....

[Wawannabe]

122. Primary time baby!

This is the time to make the case against Bernie! We don’t want him to be the nominee! What she said!

[enid602]

126. what goes around

What goes around comes around, Bern.

[jberryhill]

128. Is there some better time?

[stonecutter357]

130. Hillary is 100% accurate !

[samnsara]

131. Im not sure she has that much power over him to knee cap anything...

..shes just answering a question honestly...

[Mike 03]

134. Maybe she's trying to discourage voters from voting for the person Trump and his

various surrogates most seem to want to run against?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

144. Weren't these remarks part of a documentary she is in?

Not sure that they're the most helpful comments during an election season where we will have to unify hard against an EXTREMELY divisive President, but talking about her "kneecapping" Bernie is pretty over-the-top, isnt' it? Some of his supporters have a massive persecution complex, where everybody is out to "get" their favorite candidate, be it the media, Hillary Clinton, DNC, et. al.

[Pompoy]

163. Just Hillary calling a spade a spade

As Ambassador McFaul said on Bill Maher last night, that's the real Hillary. She is writing books and in documentaries these days, and she just feels free to let her opinions be known without worrying too much for niceties as she would when she had the responsibility of uniting the Party.
That's Hillary, she was the one who also called a certain segment of the Republican Party, a bunch of deplorables.