Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumNew Paul Krugman column: Biden, Sanders, Social Security and Smears
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/opinion/biden-sanders-social-security.htmlThis is bad; it is, indeed, almost Trumpian. The last thing we need is another president who demonizes and lies about anyone who disagrees with him, and cant admit ever being wrong. Biden deserves an apology, now, and Sanders probably needs to find better aides.
That said and this is no excuse for the Sanders camp it would be good to have Biden explain why, in the more distant past, he went along with the Beltway consensus that Social Security needed to be pared back.
First, about that Biden smear: In 2018 Biden gave a speech attacking Paul Ryan, the then-speaker of the House, for wanting to cut taxes on the rich and pay for those tax cuts by cutting Social Security and Medicare. There was nothing in his remarks that should bother progressives.
However, a Sanders adviser recently circulated a snippet from the video of the event that made it appear that Biden was actually supporting Ryans position and calling for Social Security cuts. A few days later a newsletter from the Sanders campaign quoted Biden out of context and made the same claim.
If you want a parallel, its as if I were to say, Some white nationalists claim that Jews are responsible for all our problems, and a political campaign put out a release saying, Krugman says Jews are responsible for all our problems.
Biden did make a misstep in his counterattack, mislabeling the misrepresented video clip as doctored, but that doesnt mean hes not still due an abject apology. Instead, however, the Sanders campaign has doubled down. Rather than admitting that it smeared a rival, the campaign is going around claiming that Biden has a long record of trying to cut Social Security. There is, unfortunately, some truth in that claim but it doesnt excuse either the original lie or the refusal to admit error.
-snipping paragraphs about how Biden's view that Krugman disagrees with was a consensus view, shared by Barack Obama; Krugman also explains that Biden is calling for an expansion of Social Security benefits now=
None of this, however, justifies the Sanders campaigns lying about recent statements by a man who, after all, may well be the Democratic presidential nominee and who would, whatever his centrist history, be infinitely more progressive than the current occupant of the White House. And the smearing of Biden reinforces the concerns some of us have about Sanders.
There has always been an ugly edge to some of Sanderss support, a faction of followers who denounce anyone raising questions about his positions even Warren! as a corrupt capitalist shill. Until now, however, you could argue that Sanders himself wasnt responsible for the bad behavior of some of his supporters.
You cant make that argument now. The dishonest smears and the doubling down on those smears are coming from the top of the Sanders campaign; even if they arent coming directly out of Sanderss mouth, he could and should have stopped them. The fact that Sanders isnt apologizing to Biden and replacing the people responsible says uncomfortable things about his character.
I dont want to go overboard here. While there is a Trumpian feel to some of what were seeing from the Sanders campaign, Bernie Sanders is no Donald Trump. As weve just seen, there are some real issues with the people surrounding him, but theyre nothing like Trumps gang of thugs. And in practice a Sanders presidency, like a Biden presidency, would be a vast improvement, morally as well as substantively, on what we have now.
But right now, Sanders and his campaign are behaving badly, and they need to be called on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)An apology for the corruption smear.
But Sanders will never replace the responsible staff or surrogates. So this stuff is likely to continue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
But I would rather he apologize then none at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)This is so divisive, a vicious cycle of attacks and counter-attacks. Sometimes feels very cultist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)One wonders if these folks are on a mission to stop something momentous from happeningsay, the presidency of an actual progressive who is unwilling to pander to the liberal elite?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)I'm sure there are actual Sanders supporters who are part of the attacks, but much of this reeks of trolls and bots. "Liberal elites"? Meanwhile, you don't get much more liberal than Paul Krugman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)No one dare criticize even when couching it in reasonable terms.
Remind you of anyone else's diehard supporters???
Deja vu all over again!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)it would be Paul Krugman who called out the BS campaign like this?!!!
TY,hpd
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I'm not exactly a Trump supporter. I'm not even a supporter of any particular candidate. . But the last thing am going to get involved is some imaginary discussion about whether people should have access to health care. Lol
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden