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Uncle Joe

(58,280 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:29 PM Jan 2020

Warren now also knocking Biden on Social Security



Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has joined Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in critiquing fellow Democratic presidential primary opponent Joe Biden's Social Security record.

Warren appeared united with Sanders on hitting the former vice president's record after a couple of weeks of tension between the two liberal candidates.

“Bernie Sanders and I established the 'Expand Social Security Caucus’ in the Senate,” Warren told Politico. “As a senator, Joe Biden had a very different position on Social Security, and I think everyone's records on Social Security are important in this election.”

(snip)

Sanders speechwriter David Sirota later tweeted a separate video of Biden during his time in the Senate arguing for a freeze on federal spending programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

(snip)

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479020-warren-now-also-knocking-biden-on-social-security

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
1. Is her campaign putting out altered videos? nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,280 posts)
2. Whether you believe the video was altered or not, and it wasn't
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

that doesn't negate Biden's weak record on social security over decades.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
3. If that's the case it's even more pathetic to put out an altered video and lies. nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,280 posts)
5. That is the case, forest and the trees. n/t
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jan 2020
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Deplorable.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

Just... imagine.

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Uncle Joe

(58,280 posts)
16. Biden wanting to freeze/cut social security, that would "inconceivable,"
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020


just imagine.
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booley

(3,855 posts)
8. Which one again?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jan 2020

Because you know there are several videos going back to at least 1984 where Biden says he wanted to cut Social Security. And Medicare.

I realize Biden wants to run away from this and not talk about it. But everyone is going to talk about it.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
9. It's certainly not answering the question. Policy talk all you like but when you put out
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jan 2020

fake videos to make your supposed valid point...where you supposed have a plethora of material to draw from then you are disqualified and I never say that shit.

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RandySF

(58,464 posts)
4. You know what that tells me?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jan 2020

Biden is still the frontrunner.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
10. Didn't he used to be a lot more in front?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

Wasnt'Biden double digits ahead at one point?

Wasn't there a time when Biden didn't even have to depend on the black vote in S. Carolina to save his campaign?

Personally I dont' think anyone is entitled to anyone's vote.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
6. As she should
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jan 2020

Biden's record is chock full of attack ads for trump.
I don't understand why some Biden supporters seem to think Trump wouldn't use Biden's 40 years of history on this against him.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
7. I'll take my chances with that over the 'socialist tag' any day. nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020
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Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
11. Great, more false equivalencies.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jan 2020

Criticizing an opponent's record is not the same thing as doctoring a video to make it look some someone said something they did not.

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gulliver

(13,168 posts)
12. Biden just needs to keep saying he won't cut SS and will, in fact, save it. Case closed.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jan 2020

He has said he won't cut SS by even one red cent and will, in fact, shore up its funding for the future. That's a promise from a trustworthy Dem who is by far our strongest candidate in the GE. End of argument. Best bet found. What he (or Warren or Sanders) may or may not have said or considered in the past means zip.

Social Security needs someone who can win, not someone who can fight. Fighters are a dime a dozen. Joe can win. Obama and he did win. I'd much rather have a binding promise to preserve Social Security from someone who wins than a track record of consistent promises from someone who consistently doesn't win. If we don't win, Republicans will privatize, deprive, and sabotage SS. They are loving the idea of Social Security being championed by people who won't be able to get power.

We keep getting lost in this idea that because somebody supposedly "fought" for something in the past it means they own it. Nope. You get no credit for fights you don't win...those should actually cost you credit. Where are Social Security's finances now after the creation of the "Expand Social Security Caucus?" Answer: still in need of more shoring up. Biden's promising to shore it up, and Biden will win.

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progressoid

(49,940 posts)
13. The problem is that he doesn't just say that.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

He keeps doing and saying things that don't support SS.

The most flagrant was favoring chained CPI as part of a grand bargain. There is a reasonable fear that Biden, will revert back to this kind of deal making with Republicans and weaken SS.

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gulliver

(13,168 posts)
17. Here you go.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jan 2020
https://joebiden.com/older-americans/

As I said, case closed. We need to win, and Biden's playing the right tune on Social Security and can win.
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
15. When did left-wing become "liberal and liberal become "moderate" or "centrist?"
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jan 2020

I feel like the gaslighting is nonstop.

Very bad move by Warren to ape Sanders. How did that go for her the last time she tried it?

These attacks are false and damaging to our party's prospects.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. I agree with you. I would have guessed that the smartest strategy for her would
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:17 PM
Jan 2020

be to completely uncouple from Sanders. This situation likely will not go well for her and she gets another self inflicted wound while Sanders slips off the hook.

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