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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:41 PM Jan 2020

Dear Biden and Sanders supporters

as well as supporters of all the other candidates, attacks on other candidates is a real turn off to an undecided person like myself. You’re really just admitting that you can’t make a positive argument for your chosen candidate so you have to resort to attacks. That makes me less likely support your candidate, not more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Dear Biden and Sanders supporters (Original Post) Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 OP
I am so sorry. SCVDem Jan 2020 #1
Oh okay. Sorry, but let me continue the bashing. KPN Jan 2020 #21
So, if Sanders gets the nod, would you vote for him in the General Election? TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #28
Of course. Sorry, I thought that was directed at me. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #36
The last couple days...😳 I can't imagine what this forum will dewsgirl Jan 2020 #2
It has been very distressing here lately katmondoo Jan 2020 #3
Same as every presidential election year Andy823 Jan 2020 #4
If we don't win democracy will die and he will go full blown dictator. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #6
They're not trolls. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #44
I'm getting flashbacks of 2016. TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #29
You shouldn't base your choice on Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #5
It's not complicated. SCVDem Jan 2020 #7
I'll base my vote Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #8
Didn't say you can't Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #9
The actions of supporters Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #25
Not really. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #30
It's not just DU Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #39
50+ million Twitter accounts are bots. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #41
And plenty are not. Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #46
Well ain't that nice that you can afford that. There is only ONE criteria and it's beating dump. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #43
Yes Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #47
Then you should stay out of this forum because as much as you would like for it not to UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #48
Sorry squirecam Jan 2020 #12
Just to be clear... DacreMont8 Jan 2020 #34
Oh FFS squirecam Jan 2020 #35
Turner and Sarandon awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #53
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #54
That's a question that has only one answer on DU LakeArenal Jan 2020 #52
Only what the candidates do and say... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #13
+1 grantcart Jan 2020 #16
I wish you did not put both in one basket question everything Jan 2020 #10
I can't wait to vote for Democratic candidate Sanders RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #38
It actually probably bothers Bernie more. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #49
Keep dreaming. question everything Jan 2020 #50
Do we all agree on what constitutes an "attack"? brooklynite Jan 2020 #11
+1 n/t ejbr Jan 2020 #22
I'm with you. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #56
but but "he" and his supporters started it NYMinute Jan 2020 #14
This thread points out exactly why i oppose the negative tiredtoo Jan 2020 #15
Sounds to me like most of you missed the point of the OP. mac2766 Jan 2020 #17
Thanks Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #23
Isn't it better to just Big Chief Jan 2020 #18
No Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #24
+1 lunasun Jan 2020 #32
I couldn't agree more. warmfeet Jan 2020 #19
Remember to Vote Blue No Matter Who! McKim Jan 2020 #20
My opinion on what we should do. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #26
K&R LW1977 Jan 2020 #27
sorry... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #31
Divide and conquer is an effective way to lose in November. Hassler Jan 2020 #33
Candidates as Reflections of their Supporters' Comments PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #37
Hell, this intraparty bickering ain't nothing... Cornell Engineer Jan 2020 #40
Great first post! OKNancy Jan 2020 #42
I never listen NOR care what others say or what candidates say about each other beachbumbob Jan 2020 #51
Well squirecam Jan 2020 #55
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
1. I am so sorry.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders has taken this to where I really (dislike) him and everything he stands for.

It didn't need to get here as I do not feel the same towards the other candidates.

My feelings, my vote!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,587 posts)
21. Oh okay. Sorry, but let me continue the bashing.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:40 PM
Jan 2020

Lol. That was good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheBlackAdder

(28,076 posts)
28. So, if Sanders gets the nod, would you vote for him in the General Election?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:30 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
36. Of course. Sorry, I thought that was directed at me.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:27 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
2. The last couple days...😳 I can't imagine what this forum will
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:01 PM
Jan 2020

look like in a month.😳

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
3. It has been very distressing here lately
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
4. Same as every presidential election year
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020

Full of "trolls" who "claim" to be supporting one candidate or another, yet they continue to stir things up, post lies, smear people, push "doom and gloom", throw out the old "both parties are the same, so why waste time voting, and all other kinds of scorched earth scenarios their evil minds can come up with.

A couple of things to remember, don't feed the trolls, and just because they "claim" to support one of the democrats running doesn't mean they really do. Their goal is simply to divide, in any way they can, the posters on DU, and hope that some will buy into their BS and not vote.

Remember when Democrats get out and vote, republican will loose! This has to be the most important election our country has seen. We can't let the narcissist trump continue to destroy everything this country stands for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
6. If we don't win democracy will die and he will go full blown dictator.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:42 PM
Jan 2020

What scares me is, if they went to lengths to plan the assassination of a US diplomat on foreign soil, that tells me they will do absolutely anything to secure his re election. I have faith the American people are tired of this crap and will show up in droves to be rid of him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
44. They're not trolls.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jan 2020

They're fanboys. Grown-ass adults somehow got themselves enamored with a politician like they're some kind of fucking rock star. It's sad, really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheBlackAdder

(28,076 posts)
29. I'm getting flashbacks of 2016.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:32 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
5. You shouldn't base your choice on
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

What someone's supporters on the internet act like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
7. It's not complicated.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:44 PM
Jan 2020

Joe dropped out of 2016 due to the death of his son.

He is still the most qualified in 2020!

AG Harris. Sic "em!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
8. I'll base my vote
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jan 2020

on whatever criteria I like. It’s called democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
9. Didn't say you can't
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

Said you shouldn't, and that's my opinion.

Plenty of assholes support every candidate and what they may say here on DU or twitter has little to do with anything in the real world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
25. The actions of supporters
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020

are a reflection of the candidate. That is the real world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
30. Not really.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:47 AM
Jan 2020

All you're seeing on DU is a very, very small subset of a candidate's supporters and they're really not representative of anything other than themselves. I'd argue that a candidate's staff and surrogates are much more representative. If a candidate's high-level staff is routinely stoking the flames, there's a pretty good chance that it's at the behest of the candidate.

Also keep in mind that not everyone on DU is what he or she appears to be. DU has its share of trolls, as there have always been, and there are a not-significant number of aggressive supporters of candidates who I suspect aren't supporters at all. Some seem to be doing more to alienate everyone and foster division than support their supposed candidates. The worst of them should probably just be ignored.

All that being said, this happens here every cycle like clockwork. Believe it or not, this is pretty low on the animosity scale as far as cycles go. 2008 and 2016 were both far worse, and 2004 likely was, as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
39. It's not just DU
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:11 AM
Jan 2020

It’s Twitter, Facebook, CNN, etc.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
41. 50+ million Twitter accounts are bots.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jan 2020

And they're responsible for 66% of the links posted.

Again, not representative of reality.

Facebook isn't any better. In fact, it's worse. At least Twitter actively tries to fight them. Facebook doesn't care that it's buried in fake accounts because $$$$.

Sources:

https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/09/twitter-bots-share-66-percent-links-popular-websites/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/10/nearly-48-million-twitter-accounts-could-be-bots-says-study.html

https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-abusive-apps-machine-learning/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
43. Well ain't that nice that you can afford that. There is only ONE criteria and it's beating dump. nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
47. Yes
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jan 2020

And attacking Democrats won’t help beat Trump l

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
48. Then you should stay out of this forum because as much as you would like for it not to
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020

happen it's human nature unfortunately and this is not the first post about this topic and I don't think there is anything that can stop it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
12. Sorry
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jan 2020

But I do take into account what supporters say.

Weaver. Sirota. Moore. Sarandon. Turner. West. Etc.

And they have made it sure I’m not voting for Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DacreMont8

(3 posts)
34. Just to be clear...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jan 2020

Are you saying that if Bernie Sanders wins the primaries and becomes the democratic nominee for POTUS, you will not vote for him?

I'd appreciate an honest reply.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
35. Oh FFS
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:30 AM
Jan 2020

What do you think.....I’m supporting the democrat.

I’m not one who would vote for trump. Or Stein.

Like Turner did. Or Sarandon.

Perhaps your time would be better spent convincing those online twitter supporters who will only vote for Bernie to vote Democrat.

Because Bernie is not going to be the nominee.

Partly due to.....Turner and Sarandon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

awesomerwb1

(4,256 posts)
53. Turner and Sarandon
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jan 2020

are just the tip of the iceberg. I do a lot of posting online (except for facebook which I gave up years ago and I only keep to check and reply to people who take the time to wish me a happy birthday). Anyways, to continue my previous thought: I do a lot of posting online to try to counter the lies from russiapublican congresspeople, personalities, etc. Perhaps more than is good for my health. And I can tell you the worst offenders attacking Democrats and the Democratic party who they love to refer to as "the establishment" are Bernie bros. I can't tell you how many tweets or posts I read every single day about Bernie supporters happily explaining that they will not vote for anyone besides Bernie. MANY of them voted for trump in 2016 and will happily do so again in 2020.

To the thread starter: I personally had never experienced a primary in DU before and I am absolutely disgusted by the attacks on the candidates coming especially from the supporters of the candidate I mentioned above.

I am VERY close to blocking the Primaries group because it reaches a level of fanaticism from the usual posters that is a major turn off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,729 posts)
52. That's a question that has only one answer on DU
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jan 2020

Stop trying to get folks suspended or kicked out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Only what the candidates do and say...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jan 2020

... and what they don't do and don't say... and whether he (or she) continually smears and denigrates the Democratic party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
10. I wish you did not put both in one basket
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:13 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders is not a Democrat, has never been a Democrat, except when playing his game in the Vt Senatorial primaries, has actively campaigned against Democrats including wishing for someone to primary challenge Obama.

And for some of us there is still the bitter taste that many of Sanders’ supporters stayed home in 2016 and many voted foe Trump.

While Sanders has not used the term “carnage,” he, also Warren, campaign on how awful things are. it was a striking difference at the last debate who Biden concluded his remarks expressing his support in trusting in a country that can overcome any obstacles.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandiFan1290

(6,206 posts)
38. I can't wait to vote for Democratic candidate Sanders
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jan 2020

and I love how much that bothers you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
45. It actually probably bothers Bernie more.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #38)

 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
50. Keep dreaming.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:18 PM
Jan 2020

If he is not the nominee, will you vote for the one?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
11. Do we all agree on what constitutes an "attack"?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:33 PM
Jan 2020

I post material about candidates. Some of it is critical. I will continue to do so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
56. I'm with you.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jan 2020

Post material on all. I make up my mind based on what I read from credible news sources, not from all the commentary that follows.

The only commentary I pay any real attention to in this forum are those that are highly detailed, present additional facts, and aren't just sycophantic ramblings.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
14. but but "he" and his supporters started it
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jan 2020

(in my best childlike voice)



Jokes aside, there is one candidate who went negative consistently. Supporters of other candidates are only reacting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
15. This thread points out exactly why i oppose the negative
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020

Posts on candidates. All they accomplished is getting some to declare they will not vote for certain candidates. A negative report does not get votes, it gets people mad and possible non voters. Please, please, please stop with the negativity.
Thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mac2766

(658 posts)
17. Sounds to me like most of you missed the point of the OP.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:08 PM
Jan 2020

I agree with Dem4Life1102. Just stop it. We appreciate that you've made your choice. We respect it even. Some of you seem not to have any respect or appreciation for the rest of us. Each of us deserve to be able to make our choice without having to endure such deprecating remarks from some.

Ultimately, we all need to be able to say that no matter who is nominated to run as the Democratic presidential candidate in the general election, that we will vote for that person. No matter who we support during the primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Big Chief

(28 posts)
18. Isn't it better to just
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:09 PM
Jan 2020

Base your vote on what the candidates’ positions are rather than whose supporters are nicer?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
24. No
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:51 PM
Jan 2020

Character means something otherwise we are just hypocrites when we criticize Trump supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
19. I couldn't agree more.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:15 PM
Jan 2020

Infighting is not helpful. Let's work together. Big picture.

I will vote for the democratic nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
20. Remember to Vote Blue No Matter Who!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jan 2020

We must vote Blue not matter who!!!! Infighting is not likely to encourage fence sitters if their favorite candidate is attacked by anther democrat. Besides, it is a cheap shot and shows that the instigator is more interested in their own personal power than having us all pull together. I have been very saddened by the attacks on Sanders, Biden and Warren. Please, we are fighting for the last chance of our country to be something worth living in! This is bigger than any squabble.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LW1977

(1,227 posts)
27. K&R
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

Our #1 goal should be getting that orange piece of shit out of the White House! Enough with the in-fighting!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
31. sorry...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:01 AM
Jan 2020

...you feel that way...

...I will personally try to be more sensitive and aware...

...thank you for the heads-up...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassler

(3,326 posts)
33. Divide and conquer is an effective way to lose in November.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
37. Candidates as Reflections of their Supporters' Comments
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:07 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I have, of late, been pondering the nature of the "hissy-fit soundbites" that some posters feel compelled to regurgitate---not only when unflattering information is presented about their chosen candidate, but also when positive information on any other candidate is presented.

Seeing this and comparing it to commentary coming from supporters of other candidates, here's the question I decided to investigate:

Is there something to be learned about a candidate's own intrinsic qualities based on how his/her supporters react to simple presentations of fact?

After perusing thousands of comments posted over the past two months in response to OPs in the Democratic Primaries Forum that featured information from news sources, here's what I've found:


The "Soundbite" Patrol

Noticing that DISMISSIVENESS and DEFLECTION seemed to be predominant traits in the comments of one candidate's supporters, I looked deeper into the record of that candidate and came to realize how often his own dismissiveness (sometimes of facts, sometimes of certain groups) ended up having real-world, devastating consequences for so many. I also found he was very skilled in deflection, thus taking quite a long time to own up to decisions made and actions taken that were harmful to others. Fear of Trump seems to be the main argument presented in his defense by his supporters.

With another candidate, supporter commentary showed a strong thread of INDIGNANCY and SKEPTICISM in their responses. When looking deeper into their candidate of choice, I found that he is, indeed, downright indignant about a number of issues, which seems to have a uniting effect on some, but a divisive effect on others. His record does, in fact, have notable moments of healthy skepticism, such as opposition to the Iraq occupation. His supporters are fervent and seem mission-oriented, kind of like crusaders out to right societal injustices, which explains the indignancy.

The above two candidates have the largesse of "soundbite" commentary going on. While there certainly are examples of more cogent arguments from their supporters, these are by and large greatly overshadowed by the non-substantive comments.


Just the Facts, Please

On the other hand, the bulk of the commentary from supporters of three other specific candidates tended to be REFLECTIVE, NUANCED, and DETAILED. When I researched the backgrounds of those candidates, I found that, once again, this correlated with the candidates' own records and decision-making skills. Their supporters seem to be more issue- and policy-oriented, particularly on healthcare, women's rights, and other kitchen table issues. They also don't seem to be particularly swayed by fear-based or crusader-based appeals.

I also noted a marked decrease in commentary by the above supporters as the "soundbite" commentary increases. Based on more than a few remarks I read, it appears such discourse reminds them of Trump, authoritarianism, and cult-like behavior that seeks to silence and mock voices failing to exhibit blind, unquestioning loyalty. It also turns them off to the candidates whose supporters engage in such.


Conclusion

In all, it was a fascinating exercise to complete and a real eye-opener. There does, indeed, appear to be a direct correlation between how supporters react to being presented with facts and their chosen candidate's own intrinsic qualities.

If you are indeed still undecided and truly want to get the measure of a candidate, I highly recommend you set aside a few hours and backtrack through supporter commentary in this forum. Then ask yourself, which of these groups respond more closely to your own heart, because that's how their candidate of choice is most likely to respond to your own concerns.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cornell Engineer

(80 posts)
40. Hell, this intraparty bickering ain't nothing...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

compared to Clinton & Obama (and their supporters) duking it out back in 2008. Now THAT bitter knockdown-dragout fight got super-ugly and I lost a few online friends during that war...LOL. I initially supported Biden back then before switching to Obama when Joe never got untracked and ended up clashing something fierce with former allies who I had once stood shoulder to shoulder with in the trenches as we fought clueless cons during the Dubya & Big Dick years. Some of these cyberpals backed Hillary and we ended up at each others' throats to the delight of onlooking Republicans and trust me, there is hardly anything more disgusting in this world than making a Gopper gleeful.

Of course, it's still way early yet so it'll almost certainly get worse before it gets better so best prepare yourself for that. Democrats were lucky that we were able to survive that nasty skirmish and still win in 2008...we may not be that lucky again if we're not careful so let's all hope it doesn't get anywhere near that bad before we finally nominate somebody. The way I look at it is that practically every single Dem candidate (those still in and those who have already dropped out) on their absolute worst day in office would still be at least 10 times better than Fuhrer Drumpf on his best day (assuming he ever has one). It's just that some of them would never get the chance to prove it so we must choose wisely.

I never cared for all of the massive baggage that Bill & Hillary were constantly toting around but that didn't stop me from voting for her back in 2016...I despised Dirty Don so much that my mail-in ballot was in the mailbox the very next morning after I received it. Those Dems whose preferred candidates don't end up the eventual winner had damn well better swallow their pride come November or we'll all be eating shit sandwiches served up by President Putinpuppet for another 4 years.

Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team and if this isn't one of those times then I don't know what the hell is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
42. Great first post!
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jan 2020

Welcome to DU

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
51. I never listen NOR care what others say or what candidates say about each other
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jan 2020

why would I?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
55. Well
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jan 2020

If the surrogates don’t matter, then why have them?

I agree that opinions from “Bob from Newark” on an online forum don’t really matter. But what the surrogates say online and at rallies certainly does.

Apologies to anyone from Newark. Or named Bob.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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