Flores is on the board of our revolution

[Demsrule86]

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PRESS RELEASE
Our Revolution Announces Formation of Board
WASHINGTON -- Our Revolution on Monday announced the formation of its board. The diverse coalition of eleven former elected officials, organizational leaders and grassroots activists join the board to continue the work they started as volunteers and surrogates for Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, mobilizing progressives across the country to transform American politics.

“I'm incredibly excited to continue the work that Bernie and so many others started in order to further our shared progressive agenda,” said former Nevada Assemblywoman Lucy Flores. “It's truly an honor to work alongside the talented Our Revolution board and staff, who are as committed as I am to the future of our political movement.”
Full board list below:

Nina Turner - Fmr. Ohio State Senator
Deborah Parker - Native American Leader
Ben Jealous - Civil Rights Leader
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders
Jane Kleeb - Environmental Activist
Lucy Flores - Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman
Larry Cohen - Labor
Catalina Velasquez - Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Activist
PAID FOR BY OUR REVOLUTION

Think carefully about this which even if true ( I doubt it) is not me too.

[Kahuna7]

1. Of course she is. nt

[Demsrule86]

2. This is a hit job. And she defended Sanders with campaign sexual Harrassment thing

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Wrong!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

141. She says it is unfair to blame him when others do it too.

Not a great response.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. Why not point out the fact that Flores backed up accusers' allegations of wrongdoing

by certain individuals involved in Bernie's campaign? I know, an inconvenient truth that makes her MORE credible regarding her own accusations against Joe, despite having once been a Bernie supporter. BUT, she dared to say it wasn't Bernie's fault!! OMG, let's throw out the entire #MeToo movement over BERNIE... she must be a LIAR!! I mean, REALLY, how can anyone who doesn't believe Bernie is at fault for OTHERS' behavior have been a TRUE victim herself?

Surely, you know how illogical that sounds... so, just admit the facts you conveniently left out. Yes, imagine THAT... let's be fair and consider ALL the facts, including allowing Joe ample opportunity to SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, not through intermediaries, and splain what happened. Joe, absolutely, should NOT be Frankened. Perhaps, there are witnesses who saw for themselves the unwanted touching that took place, or were told, contemporaneously, by Flores about what happened, OR saw and heard NOTHING untoward take place, and, thus, can also shed some light on the events of that day.

How is that not fair to everyone involved and, equally important, to the American people who must vote for our party's nominee? Right, the answer's obvious: that IS fair... so why not do that?! What are people afraid of?? The truth?!

I'm fine with it... yes, even as a Bernie supporter, if after examining all the facts, Joe is completely absolved of any wrongdoing and he enters the 2020 race... indeed, I hope that IS the case, for his sake, as Joe seems like a fine man who deserves another shot at the presidency.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Demsrule86]

177. Sure years after she knew about it. And then still defends him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

183. And that's what makes a woman who comes forward to report unwelcome touching a liar?!

Then the #MeToo movement might as well be dead.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

185. She said he invaded her ' space'. GOP meme and she is a sanders supporter. If this can be proven,

The campaign will suffer. Her nonsense endangers me too.

[Demsrule86]

3. What do bet that like Sirota's she is ' coordinating with the campaign.

Not saying it is so but...who knows.

[Kahuna7]

13. Every dang politician you can name, male and female embraces...

kisses supporters and peers. Google any of them. They all do it. I just googled Harris, Warren, Gillibrand and bernie and there are plenty of photos of them embracing supporters.

[Demsrule86]

29. Yes and she has a reason.

[Kahuna7]

11. I just went to google images and googled different politicians

embracing supporters. That's something all politicians do. Every one of them. It's very disingenuous for folks to act like Joe Biden is the only politician who displays affection.

[George II]

144. I didn't hear Michelle or Barack claiming they felt "uncomfortable", did you? He is who he is:

Note the last picture, AFTER the alleged "incident"!

[Politicub]

19. It's like a rite of initiation

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. Wrong!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

142. What's "Wrong!" about it?

https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

Full board list below:

Nina Turner - Fmr. Ohio State Senator
Deborah Parker - Native American Leader
Ben Jealous - Civil Rights Leader
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders
Jane Kleeb - Environmental Activist
Lucy Flores - Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman
Larry Cohen - Labor
Catalina Velasquez - Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Activist

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

182. Flores is NOT on the board... that's what's wrong about it.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

186. So this is "wrong"? ....

https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

187. Yes, outdated... just like the reports that Bernie filed only summary pages of his 2014 tax return.

It's wrong again... Flores is NOT on the board. So, guess that inconvenient truth makes her claim even MORE credible.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

190. Ah, just like other things "disappear" from websites, Boards of Directors, twitter, etc....

....as the campaigns gear up. Addresses change, affiliations change, etc. I could go into more detail but I'm sure many here are aware of the intertwining of all the organizations, personalities involved, etc.

She WAS on the Board of Our Revolution, indicating to everyone that she was closely closely associated with the Sanders, and she was an outspoken surrogate for Sanders.

So, connecting the dots....

She was a surrogate for Sanders
She was on the Board of Our Revolution
Joe Biden is leading in all the polls
David Sirota was hired about a week ago (and cleared out 20,000+ tweets)
This came out 10 days after Sirota, known for "dirty tricks" was hired
Joe Biden was expected to announce formally in early April
This is April 1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

192. Oh, so now she WAS on the Board... okay, glad you're at least starting to get your facts straight...

and you see that you WERE wrong. Funny though, not even Joe is saying the incident didn't happen, or that, by having been a Bernie supporter, Flores should not be believed. Good for Joe for not going there.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

193. Yes, she was on the board and mysteriously disappeared, but who knows when?

No, Biden didn't say the incident didn't happen but he also said to the effect, he didn't remember that specific incident (I'd be more specific about how he put it but if I leave out a word or to you'd say "see, you were wrong!&quot .

The fact is her story changed between the release of the article and her appearance on CNN yesterday, and she hardly looked upset with him minutes after the so-called incident. The sequence of recent events are just too convenient.

By the way, I and many others didn't even know her connection to Sanders or his campaign when this first came out when people started questioning the credibility of the story, we all just thought she was a Nevada Democrat. It was only as people started talking about it that her very close connections with Sanders came out.

Are you denying that she wasn't/isn't closely involved with the Sanders campaign and organization?

You love drilling it in when people are, in your eyes, "wrong" (i.e., only 99% accurate), but I have yet to see you own up to anything you've said that was "wrong" or "inaccurate".

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

194. Now, it's Flores "mysteriously disappeared"... oooh!! Okay, I'll bite...what's that sposed to mean?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

196. SMH....

Okay, a few simple questions:

Was she on the board of Our Revolution?
Was her name listed as a Board Member on the Our Revolution website?
Is her name now listed as a Board Member on the Our Revolution website?
When was her name removed?
Was there any fanfare about it when they removed her name?
Although she's not listed anymore, is she still a Board Member?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

197. One has to assume, if Flores is no longer listed as a Board member, then she's not a Board member...

So, why claim Flores is still a Board member? It's obvious the implications you and others are trying to draw.

But then, why not also admit the inconvenient truth that Flores recently attended a Beto rally?! So, maybe it's BETO who's behind this secret plot to take down Joe before he even enters the 2020 race!! Applying the newly-minted "Bernie standard," that's the only logical conclusion. Oh wait, it's called the "Bernie standard" for a reason... it only applies to Bernie. Nevermind!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

198. That wasn't the case with another organization peripherally associated with Sanders.

Someone's name was removed from their website as a member of the Board of Directors but continued to serve on that Board of Directors.

I've attended rallies for candidates running against my candidate, indeed when a candidate was running against me in a local election.

What's up with all these "standards" that you establish. First there was the "Kamala standard", then the "#NotMeToo standard", and now the "Bernie standard".

BTW, I see you didn't deign to answer those questions.

[lapucelle]

4. Has Flores addressed the allegations of the BS campaign's pervasive predatory culture

that led to sexual harassment and that escalated to sexual violence? Was she on the campaign last time around? Why did it take an exposé for anyone to acknowledge the problem? What about those victims?

Granted, "unwanted touching" is a genuine problem, but to ignore allegations of "sexual violence" is unconscionable.

How can Flores support a candidate whose leadership was so remiss as to enable sexual violence to repeatedly occur, simply because BS had no idea of what was going on in his own campaign?

[Demsrule86]

5. She defended him said it was unfair to blame him.

She was a surrogate in 16 and was endorsed by Sanders. Biden endorsed her opponent,

[lapucelle]

7. Why would it be unfair to blame BS? Why did the BS campaign feel empowered

to do such disgusting things? What type of campaign culture would lead to the conclusion that they could engage in predation, harassment, and violence with impunity?

[Demsrule86]

9. She is a surrogate clearly.

[Me.]

26. Well They Certainly Pointed A Finger At HRC For Any Number Of Things

Goose & Gander as far as I'm concerned

[Cha]

150. Here's Flores in 2017 after the GE ripping on Hillary..

Link to tweet

[Me.]

155. Nice...Right?

Well let's hold BS to the same standard, essays and all.

[Cha]

170. Yes, Bring it on!

[yardwork]

163. Wow! You find very interesting and relevant information, Cha!

[Cha]

171. Thanks, yardwork..

I thought it was telling into her mindset.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

195. So, you're sayin any woman who's the least bit critical of Hillary doesn't deserve to be believed.

Not even Hillary would say that!! Indeed, Hillary has said just the opposite... that all women deserve to be heard and believed. I'm with her!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[George II]

143. They're certainly not fans of Harry S. Truman.

[seaglass]

27. Lucy Flores spoke out about Sanders staffer Arturo Carmona, I think she's somehwhat consistent

in speaking up.

https://knpr.org/knpr/2017-12/lucy-flores-kihuen-harassment-and-why-she-speaks-out

re: Carmona:

When former Sanders staffer Masha Mendieta published a piece on Medium on March 31, 2017, Flores said she felt she had to speak out to support the woman who leveled the accusations because she didn't want to leave her feeling alone. Subsequent to that, many women contributed to a piece in which other women spoke of their own dealings with Carmona.

“The first thing that everybody said, I don’t mean everybody but a lot of people said, is of course that she was lying and that it was politically motivated. Which, of course, makes talking about sexism and sexual harassment within the campaign world very, very difficult because that’s the first thing that everybody is going to say - that everything you’re saying is politically motivated,” Flores said.

The former assemblywoman said that is why it can be much more difficult to address sexual harassment and sexism in general in the political world. Especially since sexism, itself, isn't illegal.

And, she says, sexism and harassment are pervasive in the political circles she has traveled in.

[Demsrule86]

33. She also said it wasn't Sanders fault.

Her own words.

[seaglass]

48. I didn't see that. I saw that she said she didn't think it was fair to only target Bernie

because it happens in a lot of political campaigns. I disagree with her if she said that it wasn't Sanders fault, it was his campaign!

I do not dispute that she is a Berner. She can be a Berner and also be telling the truth.

[Demsrule86]

85. She did sayit.

' Frankly, I do think it's a little unfair ... that the attention and all of the conversation is including Bernie's name, because this isn't just something that's limited to Bernie's campaign," Flores said.

[seaglass]

102. Yeah, I don't see that as her saying it wasn't Bernie's fault. n/t

[Demsrule86]

116. I just learned from another OP that she knew in16 and did nothing about

the sexual harrassment in the Sanders campaign. So Biden upset her but sexual harrassment that allegedly was at times violent did not even get a peep out of her? She is partisan. Her story is untrue.

[George II]

156. Odd that she knew in 2016 and 2017 about things like this but didn't mention what happened....

....to her in 2014 until days after Sirota was hired and shortly before Biden is about to announce his candidacy?

Makes it even more suspicious.

[Demsrule86]

176. Exactly right. Also event planner and her friend says it never hsppened.

[Beartracks]

74. Sure, speaking up about sexism and harassment -- neither of which Biden's gestures represent. n/t

[seaglass]

101. Didn't say it was. It was inappropriate touching without consent. It's on the spectrum. n/t

[Beartracks]

168. Sorry, my reply was just an observation, not a judgment on your post.

[seaglass]

169. No problem. Seems we are in agreement. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

128. Right!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

181. But Flores has admitted she knew during the campaign.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

188. According to some, that makes Flores LESS credible because, apparently, she's OBSESSED w/ harassment

So much for the #MeToo movement, I guess.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Demsrule86]

31. She defended Sanders.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

189. OMG!! Flores defended Bernie?!?! The horror!! Then she MUST be a liar!!

The #MeToo movement be damned!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JI7]

62. yes, she defended him and said he shouldn't be criticized for his own campaign

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

191. This is an outrage!! Riiiiight... so throw Flores under the bus... and run back over her... twice.

Gimme a break... give HER a break!! So, by your logic, having said something positive about Bernie disqualifies Flores from bringing charges against Joe of unwanted touching?! WOW!! Stick a fork in the #MeToo movement... it's done!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Renew Deal]

6. Stories change when viewed through the prism of extremist groups

[Demsrule86]

8. Yes they do.

[Renew Deal]

17. Sanders supporters think they benefit by knocking Biden out.

What they don’t realize is that there is a roof on his support and he’s hit it.

[George II]

18. Interesting that no Sanders supporters have commented here.

[vsrazdem]

58. I'll comment. I find it interesting that she must be lying because she supports Bernie Sanders.

You guys are really something. That is all.

[Demsrule86]

86. Remember Sirota and Beto. Sander's surrogateso have done this and the story is

bordering on ridiculous on its face,

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

133. So, under this new "#NotMeToo standard," if you're a woman who supports Bernie

you can be victimized by a political candidate who is in opposition and there will be no repercussions, under the assumption of political gamesmanship?! I can't believe this is what I'm hearing... or do I have that wrong?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

157. Hmm, a day or two you claimed the new "Kamala standard", now this new "#NotMeToo standard"....

....what's up with all these "standards" you're setting up?

[Autumn]

172. Exactly. All this hypocritical nonsense is making me feel more supportive of her.

Inappropriate touching is wrong. Even when it comes from someone beloved like Joe Biden.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

184. It's a Bernie plot... why can't you see that?!?!

Seriously though, some of the criticism of Lucy Flores is absurd in the extreme... I'm right there with you!! This is the same woman who backed up claims by some on Bernie's prior campaign who complained of harrassment. Seems like that would now make her own claims even MORE credible. But, nooooo... it's an evil plot to now HELP Bernie defeat Joe.

I actually like Joe as a person - though not fond of his moderate political positions - and I do hope he comes through this unscathed and runs in 2020. It would help, however, if Joe spoke publicly about this. He deserves to be heard, in response to a credible claim of unwanted touching, rather than being Frankened. We have to be fair to all those involved... and to the voters who must decide which Democrat has the best chance of going to go up against, and defeating, the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

166. I find it interesting there is no connection between

the poll showing Bernie comes in second to Joe and an incident from 2016 suddenly being a hugely bigly deal.

And gets everyone off the subject of Bernie's tax returns.

[Power 2 the People]

64. I'll let Lucy Flores herself comment.

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

65. She's on the board of Our Revolution, Sanders group,

So we know she’s endorsing Sanders. LOL

[Power 2 the People]

67. Not according to the lady herself.

[R B Garr]

68. Our Revolution is a Sanders group.

So we know who she is supporting.

[Power 2 the People]

69. It's odd that someone would claim to know better than the woman herself

but bless your heart for sticking to your assumption.

[R B Garr]

70. Our Revolution is still a Sanders group. Her motivation

for deflecting about Sanders is a self-serving move to appear more objective. But her associations speak for themselves.

BTW, I don’t mind at all that I won’t be BS’d into thinking that someone from a Sanders group is not supporting Sanders.

[Power 2 the People]

71. Why do you keep insisting this woman is lying when she was crystal clear what her position is?

Until she tells us otherwise she should be believed. It's well past time we start believing women!

[R B Garr]

76. I just explained. She is in damage control now to appear

more objective since she was exposed as being a Sanders supporter.

[Power 2 the People]

81. RB I am troubled by the fact that you don't feel this woman is worthy of being believed

Please don't contact me anymore. I don't want to argue with you about when a woman should or should not be believed.

[R B Garr]

82. Sure, but the only thing is that she is in damage control,

she was exposed. No offense, but it feels manipulative that you are trying to deny the obvious by trying to malign me over “women being believed”. If she belongs to a Sanders group then that is an obvious contradiction to anything she says. Obvious is obvious.

[Power 2 the People]

83. Whatever

[Demsrule86]

103. I am offended by women who use me too for political reasons.

[Demsrule86]

87. Her name is listed and there are news stories, Are you saying she is claiming never to have

been on the board? If so, she is lying.

[George II]

160. Well, according to Our Revolution she is or was:

Full board list below:

Nina Turner - Fmr. Ohio State Senator
Deborah Parker - Native American Leader
Ben Jealous - Civil Rights Leader
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders
Jane Kleeb - Environmental Activist
Lucy Flores - Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman
Larry Cohen - Labor
Catalina Velasquez - Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Activist

https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

[George II]

77. Very interesting, this comes out just days after Sanders hired David Sirota.....

....and within days of Biden announcing his candidacy (he hinted at April 1)

And the person chosen to come out with this just happens to have been a Sanders supporter last time around and a member of the Board of Sanders' organization, Our Revolution.

Plus the so-called incident happened at the side of the stage where all the speakers had lined up to be announced, in front of hundreds of people.

I don't buy it.

[Power 2 the People]

79. George you assured me that you were going to take the high road going forward and not

deal in innuendo or things that have not been totally fact checked. Let's see where the facts take us before reaching a conclusion.

[George II]

84. I don't know what you're going on about. Everything I posted is fact and methodically presented....

....PLUS Joe Biden is about a foot taller than Ms. Flores (there are pictures of them standing next to each other), he "kissed the back of my head"?

It's all too fishy to me - the timing of the three things I mentioned, the fact that it occurred at the side of a crowded stage (did you read her article in The Cut?) and no one else saw it?

If anyone is dealing in innuendo, it's Ms. Flores.

[Demsrule86]

88. This is not innuendo. And Flores told the tale.

[Demsrule86]

104. Makes me dislike her more. And I think she is lying.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Booooooommm!!! I stand with Lucy. #MeToo

I would welcome also hearing from Joe directly, not surrogates, in his defense to the charges. An apology would also be nice.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

32. I don't think there is a roof.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

132. 1. Not worried in the least about Joe in the race, Bernie's got him beat... 2. If anyone knocks Joe

out of the race, it'll be Joe himself, due to his own actions, not Bernie or because of anything he says or does.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Renew Deal]

140. I'm not worried about Joe either

Him and Bernie are both going to lose. The Democratic party is looking towards the future, not the past.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. Hahaha, okay!! I do agree about Joe, but Bernie? Hes lookin to the past?! Riiiiiight!!

So, then why have almost ALL the 2020 candidates adopted many of Bernie's forward-looking, progressive agenda items?! Indeed, we're told Bernie should DROP OUT OF THE RACE, not because his policy proposals are antiquated... NO, rather because he's WON the battle of NEW ideas due to the adoption of those ideas by other candidates now in the race. Looking to the past?! Now, THAT'S funny!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BlueFlorida]

162. +1000 nt

[dalton99a]

10. Kick

[George II]

12. It's true, it's on their website:

https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

Full board list below:

Nina Turner - Fmr. Ohio State Senator
Deborah Parker - Native American Leader
Ben Jealous - Civil Rights Leader
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders
Jane Kleeb - Environmental Activist
Lucy Flores - Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman
Larry Cohen - Labor
Catalina Velasquez - Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Activist

[ucrdem]

14. I like how they turned "ex" into "fmr"

Basically she lost. It looks like Biden tried to help her with a campaign appearance and she lost anyway. The hair story is a pretty weak tea and I don't think it will have any effect on Biden's numbers or his decision to run.

[BlueFlorida]

16. +1

On the other hand, if it is investigated, it may lead to another candidate's dirty tricks department.

[Demsrule86]

35. Yep...no one else does this.

[namahage]

146. Lost twice.

Once in 2014 during her candidacy as Lieutenant Governor and again in 2016 for Representative.

Interestingly, when harassment allegations surfaced in 2017 against Ruben Kihuen, her opponent in the 2016 primary, she had zero problems speaking out about his harassment then:

https://knpr.org/knpr/2017-12/lucy-flores-kihuen-harassment-and-why-she-speaks-out

Over the weekend, former state Assemblywoman Lucy Flores – who ran against Kihuen in the 2016 Congressional primary – told Politico that she wasn’t surprised by the allegations.

Flores told KNPR's State of Nevada that she has known Kihuen for years and even attended high school with him.

“What I personally witnessed are many times he was inappropriately too close – in particular – to young women,” she said.

She said it was well known in the political arena she and Kihuen shared, but it was brushed off as "Ruben being Ruben." But, she said, that idea that it is just 'men being men' or 'boys will be boys' is part of the problem.

But the 2016 Sanders campaign, where she got his endorsement, and he hers? Even contemporaneous knowledge of harassment was not enough to get her to speak up--until others did in her stead.

[ucrdem]

164. 3rd times the charm

she found a buyer for her wares

[BlueFlorida]

15. Surprise Surprise

Did FLores advocated voting for Jill Stein too?

[ucrdem]

20. Exactly.

I think we might have reached the point of diminishing returns on this particular line of attack.

[Politicub]

21. She didn't. At least that's what I found from a cursory search.

I'm not sure how much work she did to get Hillary elected. But she wasn't endorsing Stein.

Here's an except from an article about her support:

Lucy Flores, a former assemblywoman who ran for congress as a pro-Sanders candidate, said the joinder was inevitable and much needed to focus on Trump.

“Most Democrats and most people realize Donald Trump as president is something we cannot allow to happen,” said Flores, who plans to support Clinton. “The man is destructive and he is probably the worst thing that could happen to this country, and that’s not rhetoric or inflammatory by any means.”

Link: https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/12/some-sanders-nv-delegates-back-clinton-others-balk/87013136/

And for the record, I think he accusations against Biden are being blown out of proportion; I just wanted to get an answer to your question.

[Demsrule86]

36. She works for our revolution and Biden endorsed her primary opponent.

[Politicub]

61. Lots of interesting facts coming out

Didn’t know that, either.

[Cha]

151. Here Flores' is in 2017 on Hillary.. after the GE..

Link to tweet

[bigtree]

22. smearing this woman

...this is despicable.

Glad to see Joe Biden isn't stooping to this tactic.

It's amazing anyone can participate in this smear and complain about a political attack. Complete lack of self-awareness.

By the way, Ben Jealous is a fine individual from my state. NAACP director who doesn't deserve to be smeared here. I'm certain there are others on that list who don't deserve this treatment.

[ucrdem]

23. Sorry, but the timing gives away the game. nt

[bigtree]

24. you're still smearing her without any evidence to support this line of attack at all

...and you can't see the hypocrisy in that?

It's amazing the lengths people will go to support politicians.

And smearing Ben Jealous here has me livid.

I hope this effort to smear these people on Biden's behalf fails miserably, hopefully from his own mouth.

[ucrdem]

25. I don't see where you're getting that.

But to borrow a line from Joe, I wish you the best.

[bigtree]

28. the op posted a list and inferred there was something dishonest about the group

...smeared Ms. Flores by association with this group. Not for her beliefs, actions, just this political association with a group that you disagree with politically.

By the inference that there's supposed to be something nefarious about this group, it happens to include the name of a prominent black activist and civil rights lawyer, formerly head of the local NAACP in my state.

I hinted at the unfairness, now it's come home to me with that slap at Ben Jealous, as with the smear of Ms. Flores for belonging to this group.

I don't see Biden doing this. It's despicable.

[ucrdem]

30. Are you saying Ben Jealous is NOT on the board of OR?

Because until you brought him up no one in this thread said a word about him. I just did a search.

[bigtree]

34. look at the op

...and stop this.

Why would it matter if he was on the board?

Are you going to smear him now for that association as you are Ms. Flores?

[ucrdem]

38. It's a press release from Our Revolution. nt

[bigtree]

41. how obtuse

I can see it's a press release. I can see that Ben Jealous is on the board.

And it's clear you're smearing him for that association (along with the op), as you are Flores.

Apparently all you need to say is 'Our Revolution' here and you can lash out at people you disagree with politically with impunity.

[ucrdem]

43. If you think that, what does that say about OR?

[bigtree]

45. you're incomprehensible

...and wasting my time.

[Cha]

100. No worries, ucr.. unfortunately

he Always goes to personally insulting someone when the debate isn't going his way.

Mahalo

[sheshe2]

113. ...

[Cha]

114. Hoa Aloha, she!

[sheshe2]

115. Lol...

That is all I am saying.

[Demsrule86]

44. No I didn't although I despise our revolution. It is Sanders group. I

Implied she is going after Biden to help Sanders. I have no idea if he knows or not. As for our revolution, they tried to make Democrats like Sherrod Brown crawl while endorsing Greens and Republicans,

[bigtree]

47. all of that without a shred of evidence

...the result is that you are mimicking the objectionable behavior you decry here.

[Demsrule86]

98. I disagree. And Flores has no proof. In fact her friend denied it was truue.

But I do consider our revolution to be a disgraceful organization that more often than not treats Democrats badly. They are not a Democratic organization and say they will support Republicans.

[Cha]

117. Aloha, Demsrule.. Mahalo for

your OP.

I haven't been online long today.. could you tell me more about "..her friend denied it was true.."? Wow!

[Demsrule86]

118. The idea was that he did not support her account..twitter.

Also she used the debunked right wing smear about the Carters. I am a survivor of sexual abuse...sustained injuries that sent me to the hospital . I resent women using me too for political reasons. This isn't just about Biden. I also don't like the attacks on Democratic candidates.

[sheshe2]

122. +1000

[Demsrule86]

137. Thanks !!

[sheshe2]

138. hugs

[Cha]

124. Mahalo, Dems..

Could you point me to a link or a tweet.. this is huge news! I didn't know about the debunked right wing smear about the Carters, either.

But, I already didn't trust LF yesterday.. I've seen a gaslit tweet of hers that I will PM you.

Sorry about what you had to go through

[George II]

130. One only need look at the primary campaign "dirty tricks" against DEMOCRATS Sri Kulkarni and....

....Lizzie Fletcher last year to see how Our Revolution operates.

Thankfully a very small fraction of the candidates they run against OUR Democrats actually go somewhere.

[Demsrule86]

139. That is true, and the candidate they supported was never going to win

and they attacked the DNC and Sanders said basically he knew how unfairness felt...blah blah. I had forgotten that.

[George II]

129. You're correct, Ms. Flores hasn't a shred of evidence. However, Biden's gregariousness....

....is very well documented:

[vsrazdem]

59. ++++

[Demsrule86]

89. She smeared Biden and this is wrong, as a survivor of sexual

assault, I resent folks who use this sort of thing for political reasons,

[Demsrule86]

99. But it is just fine for her to smear Biden?

[treestar]

167. She is smearing Biden with a right wing invention

We have tried to say just be positive about your own candidate. Tell us why Bernie should be the nominee. Not why Joe should not be. Or you are going to hear more about Bernie's taxes.

[Demsrule86]

39. Ultimately he ended up endorsing her opponent but she was a Sanders.

Surrogate who accused Clinton of mischief in not endorsing her.

[bigtree]

42. all of this accusatory nonsense, guilt by association with a political group

...is no less objectionable that what you're complaining about.

[Demsrule86]

46. It is an explanation for what I believe is a false accusation.

It is a defense and if you are on this board,and are complaining about Biden,it is suspect and should be looked at carefully.let'so not forget Sirota.

[Demsrule86]

90. Not at all. But we need to judge attacks by the person's credibility and since Flores was on the

board of our revolution, I don't find her credible at all. Hit job.

[Demsrule86]

112. This is not dissent. Flores is smearing Biden for partisan reasons.

[BlueFlorida]

49. There is no smear in pointing out facts

1. She is a Bernie Sanders supporter
2. She is on the board of Our Revolution
3. Biden endorsed her primary opponent
4. This accusation came five years at a time when Biden was pulverizing Bernie in the polls even without announcing.
5. Her accusation was published in an ultra left wing rag. I wonder if she shopped WaPo and NYT who refused to publish.

The circumstantial evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt.

[BlueFlorida]

53. Which one of the facts I laid out are incorrect?

Please point out.

[BlueFlorida]

75. I am not a Biden supporter.

I am not deflecting. I laid out the facts, none of which you can refute.

I am sick of dirty tricks being played against dedicated life-long Democrats by people who supported Jill Stein.

[Demsrule86]

91. And a Bernie surrogate is making the attack. She supported him in 16 and

is on the our Revolution board. Should we ignore this? I think her story is ridiculous

[redstateblues]

109. Bernie only hires the best people. Where have we heard that before?

[Demsrule86]

119. So true.

[BlueFlorida]

55. Just the facts Sir

as Colombo would say. No smear. Just the facts.

[Demsrule86]

92. I find it troubling that those associated with Sanders are attacking Democratic candidates like Beto

and Biden.

[redstateblues]

108. It's not surprising.

[Demsrule86]

121. Nope, not surprising.

[R B Garr]

66. Thanks for these FACTS. Combine that with what we've seen

before from experience, combine that with the fact that her friend contradicts her, and we’re pretty much done here with determining what the motives are for this 5 years later — when Biden is up in the polls.

[Demsrule86]

93. Exactly, but does this sort of thing really help Sen Sanders?

They should stop.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. Glad someone is saying what needs to be said!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

37. Who is surprised by this?

Sirota and company are busy

[Demsrule86]

40. Exactly, I wonder if the campaign will admit she is

Coordinating...I think she may be.

[BlueFlorida]

50. Bernie's consigliere Sirota

is maneuvering all the caporegimes.

[Demsrule86]

97. But he is not really helping Sanders.

[democratisphere]

57. Agenda.

[vsrazdem]

60. This woman felt justifiably uncomfortable, and you have turned this into a smear campaign against

Bernie Sanders. Shame on you. I may not like some candidates, this it is beyond the pale.

[BlueFlorida]

72. Yeah right

If she felt so uncomfortable, why didn't she come forward in 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018?

She never told anyone about being uncomfortable contemporaneously.

She comes forward now with perfect timing, seeing that Biden is killing Bernie in the polls. Surprise surprise.

Then she lied about what she told her friend -- the friend came out saying she was lying.

Most Democrats have had it with Bernie and Sirota's dirty tricks.

[Demsrule86]

95. +10000 this is true and the reason I hoped he would not run.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. Why not in 2014, 15, 16, 17, 18? Okay then, so let's declare the #MeToo movement officially "DEAD"!!

Anyone remember Dr. Christine Blasey Ford?! I do... and I stand with her and ALL women who are brave enough to come forward WHENEVER they feel comfortable in sayin #MeToo!! I don't give a flying fuck HOW LONG that takes!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

94. It is a smear campaign against Biden.

[redstateblues]

107. Look at the anti Democrats on his staff. That says it all. The smear is coming from BS campaign.

Slipping in the polls. It’s a desperation move.

[BlueFlorida]

161. +1,000,000 nt

[ucrdem]

63. This says everything about OR and their program.

Among other observations: epic oppo fail.

[BlueFlorida]

73. OR people are not Democrats. nt

[ucrdem]

174. Not even close.

Awfully helpful to some though.

[samnsara]

78. well hell its starting already

[shanny]

80. even if true?

google biden hugging women, filter out stuff from obvious rw sources and see what you have left. or don't.

[Demsrule86]

96. Exactly This is a political attack.

[shanny]

106. stating facts is not the same thing as an unfair! attack

I'm sorry for you if you think it is. And I'm sorry that you don't seem to feel the need to find out if this is an isolated incident, preferring instead to go with your gut. Or preference. Or whatever.

[Demsrule86]

111. There were no facts in her statement and she used the right wing

talking points about the Carters which are false. Are you aware she knew about the sexual harrassment charges against the Sanders campaign in 16?

[shanny]

120. Dawg damn but I wish some people would stop

going on and on about Bernie Sanders, his campaign, his staffers, or whatever. As if anything about them changed anything about the reality of rest. It doesn't.

You[i] could--if you were interested in the truth--google Biden and his past behavior. And then, once you had the facts, you could decide if they mattered enough to you to change your opinion of him as a candidate.

But denying reality, whether it's about a candidate you like, or don't like, is a self-defeating proposition. It sets you--all of us really--up for ton of comeuppance.

Do whatever you want. But don't bother me any more with "what about Bernie?"

[Demsrule86]

123. I have met Biden more than a few times and actually had a hug from Biden.

I worked both 08 and 12 Obama campaigns in Ohio. He doesn't sexual harass anyone. This is a GOP meme borrowed by a Sanders partisan. Biden is a gentleman always. And kissing babies and hugging is politics. Her story is falling apart as we speak. Me too should not be used as a weapon against political opponents because you are down in the polls or what have you.

[shanny]

159. I am happy for you.

But this is not something the GOP made up, or a Sanders partisan "borrowed". It is a thing. It has been a thing for a long time. A very respected poster on this very site has extensive and specific knowledge of the pattern, and has said so in great detail just a day or two ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11972355 post #9

Now, that poster calls Biden a great politician and says his politics are bang on. But she/he also concludes with this:

But if you are going to make it your job to “debunk” the lifelong habit he’s had of being “touchy-feely” then good luck, you’re going to be pretty damn busy trying to spit into the wind that’s coming your way.

[Demsrule86]

175. It is made up. And the GOP tried to turn friendliness into something dirty

Those who parrot the right wing meme should just stop. The event planner said it never happened,her friend said it never happened and she is a Sanders surrogate and on the board of Our Revolution. It won't work though, Sanders will still lose the primary to Biden.

[shanny]

178. none so blind

[Demsrule86]

179. You know what? Flores should be ashamed . Women who use me too politically

will destroy it.

[redstateblues]

105. Desperation with BS slipping in the polls

I’m sure she’ll get bonus points for this smear

[JustAnotherGen]

110. Interesting

Hmmm. . .

[stillcool]

125. typical...and sad.

with so many contenders I hope it's harder to choose who to trash and bash.

[TCJ70]

131. Does that somehow inoculate her from being uncomfortable by...

...uninvited physical contact?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

135. Why are you doxing this woman?

[revmclaren]

145. Yeah, about that...

Hassin Bin Sober

35. Why are you doxing this woman?


https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

The story is also all over the MSM so any and all information on Flores will be public knowledge.

So...

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Cha]

149. Mahalo, Rev!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

154. Oh yeah. I was just going by the standard set here when people looked up publicly available...

... information about the CNN Town Hall participants. Remember when people went absolutely bat shit crazy when people called CNN out for not identifying lobbyists and political operatives as such? CNN identified a lobbyist as “a mother of two.” When called out, people howled “Bernie supporters are doxing!1!1”

[revmclaren]

158. Please refresh our memories with links...

Thanks in advance. I personally don't remember this. Especially in a situation were the accuser has not hidden their identity.

:shrugs

So again, links please.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Demsrule86]

180. No one posted her info on this site that I noticed,

[sweetloukillbot]

153. I missed her address and personal information being posted?

Perhaps you could link to this doxxing so we can get the post removed?
Or perhaps you don't know what doxxing is, because listing the board members of a public organization certainly isn't.

[treestar]

165. Where this was is public, there should be another witness

or this and the timing factor don't make it credible.

If Bernie is a great candidate there is no need to demonize other candidates.

[Autumn]

173. Well now I have to like her even more. Thanks for pointing this out.

I see why she's catching so much shit.

[Gothmog]

199. From the sponsor of the event

Link to tweet