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crazytown

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:42 PM Jan 2020

LA Times Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders.Good.

Op-Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders and taught a master class in handling sexism

As the Democratic debate in Iowa wrapped Tuesday night, Sen. Elizabeth Warren confronted the extended hand of Sen. Bernie Sanders. He was plainly after one of those no hard feelings, good game handshakes. We’re cool, right? Warren (D-Mass.) wasn’t cool. It’s hard to have the presence of mind to refuse the near-mandatory displays of collegiality, but she did, folding her hands. Noli me tangere. Touch me not. CNN had cut the sound by this time, but in the pantomime she could seem to be speaking brusquely.

(snip) Sanders’ dispute with Warren had erupted the day before, with a news report of the 2018 meeting between them at which, according to CNN, Sanders told Warren a woman cannot win a presidential election. Warren confirmed the story. Sanders’ aides then called CNN’s (and Warren’s) account “a lie.”

A lie. Pretty strenuous protesting-too-much denial of something that could have been handily mitigated. If Sanders had more composure , he might have confirmed the report too — don’t we all think he said something close to what was reported? Then Sanders could have explained that he, like many feminists, fears America is too sexist to elect a Madame President. Done.

Instead his campaign distilled to a poisonous brew all the current male anxieties about gender with that one word: “Lie.” (On Twitter, pro-Sanders botnets drove the point home with a classy “Lying Liz” hashtag.) In Iowa, Sanders bloviated when the inevitable question about the report surfaced: “Anybody knows me knows that it’s incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.” Inconceivable!

Then: “How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States?” In a million years!

(snip) Warren won. She also proved she’s a master strategist. She didn’t let Sanders get away with denying he’s sexist Tuesday night. Instead, she checkmated him into proving it.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-15/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-women-presidents-iowa-democratic-debate
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LA Times Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders.Good. (Original Post) crazytown Jan 2020 OP
Good post. That is the way I see it. K&R Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1
Eliabeth Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand ritapria Jan 2020 #2
Re double efforts to do what? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
Progressives? LOL. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #7
I would doubt he will be the second choice for her supporters...works both ways. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
Any Sanders supporter who ever believed that BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #21
Yeah, BS doth protest too much. "In a million years"!!!!! Cha Jan 2020 #3
Indeed!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #4
Kind of sounds like trump in style of denial. -nt Amimnoch Jan 2020 #13
History repeats itself; djacq Jan 2020 #6
Good point mcar Jan 2020 #8
She called him a liar too kwolf68 Jan 2020 #10
Proves absolutely nothing BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #11
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #22
I believe her a hell of a lot more than him. -nt Amimnoch Jan 2020 #14
Jason Johnson didn't miss The Look BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #16
Perfect description...I saw it too. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #17
Thought of you when I read that BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #18
I don't see how anyone could miss it if they look at the video. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #19
Very disappointed in Elizabeth. She and Bernie were tied in my book Peregrine Took Jan 2020 #12
Warren handled Sanders' sexism perfectly. R B Garr Jan 2020 #15
 

Demsrule86

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1. Good post. That is the way I see it. K&R
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jan 2020
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ritapria

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2. Eliabeth Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jan 2020

Word of that stunt is getting around to Bernie's supporters across the Country ….She won't be the Second Choice for Bernie's supporters anymore ...Accusing Bernie , by inference , of being sexist is a bridge too far …. She has burned her bridges with Progressives ….The centrists will stick with Joe …. How does planting this stuff to CNN forward her cause ? ….The people who detest Bernie will cheer Warren on - but so what ? ..Those who are for Bernie will redouble their efforts ….

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Thekaspervote

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5. Re double efforts to do what?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:06 PM
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Demsrule86

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20. I would doubt he will be the second choice for her supporters...works both ways.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:23 PM
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BlueMTexpat

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21. Any Sanders supporter who ever believed that
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:17 AM
Jan 2020

Elizabeth Warren would ever run on the same ticket with Bernie has been living on a different planet.

And that was even BEFORE this moment.

He showed his true colors. He could easily have mitigated this situation. Instead, he made it worse. And at least some of his supporters are behaving exactly like Trumpers.

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Cha

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3. Yeah, BS doth protest too much. "In a million years"!!!!!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:56 PM
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Amimnoch

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13. Kind of sounds like trump in style of denial. -nt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:27 PM
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mcar

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8. Good point
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:15 PM
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He could have said they misunderstood each other. Instead he called EW a liar. I do with the moderators had brought that up last night - one of them is lying about what was said.

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kwolf68

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10. She called him a liar too
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:02 PM
Jan 2020

I am reading all these comments about Bernie calling Warren a liar. She did the same damn thing. Called him a liar.

Who to believe? Well, Sanders wanted her to run in 2016, Sanders is on record stating a women can be President. So her comment doesn't jive with actual empirical evidence.

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BeyondGeography

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11. Proves absolutely nothing
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders was a comparative nobody before he ran in 2016. He was right to defer to her because she was the darling of the left back then. Two years later, he had the power and she was in the way. It’s pretty easy to see his motivation for discouraging her.

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Amimnoch

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14. I believe her a hell of a lot more than him. -nt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:28 PM
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BeyondGeography

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9. Jason Johnson didn't miss The Look
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020
What I saw on Elizabeth Warren’s face,” said the political scientist Jason Johnson later, “is the face of... every single person who has heard someone say something racist, offensive or sexist — you know you heard it and then you see them deny it in public.”
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Demsrule86

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17. Perfect description...I saw it too.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:36 PM
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BeyondGeography

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18. Thought of you when I read that
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:37 PM
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Demsrule86

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19. I don't see how anyone could miss it if they look at the video.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:20 PM
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Peregrine Took

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12. Very disappointed in Elizabeth. She and Bernie were tied in my book
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:24 PM
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Now she has taken a turn to another persona as did Mayor Pete.

Not a good idea. People like consistency.

If she was so offended why didn't she mention this when it happened two years ago?

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R B Garr

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15. Warren handled Sanders' sexism perfectly.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

Obviously Warren is a threat to Sanders now, so he is hostile to her success. Total sexism. He was already starting to thwart her before this, which is his history with others, so we know Warren is telling the truth.

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