How would Donald Trump run against Bernie Sanders? Here's what he said in Tampa.

[crazytown]

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I'd Love to Run Against 'The Communist'

'I'd also love to run against the communist'

'I never thought we'd see the day in our country, when a communist – because that's really, you think about it – when a communist is the leading Democrat!'

'We're going to have a communist against an entrepreneur. I like the entrepreneur. Don't you think?

Tampa Bay Rally, February 23, 2016

EDIT: Cold War stuff. Of course, when trump actually had a chance to fight against 'The Communists' in Vietnam, he cut and ran.

[onecaliberal]

1. Upgrade from the current traitor.

[JoeOtterbein]

2. Bernie would talk circles around Trump on...

...healthcare!

[crazytown]

3. If trump to wants to run against a communist

he should contest the next election against Vladimir Putin, KGB. Although he may not qualify, being an asylum seeker, and all.

[JoeOtterbein]

4. O course!!!!

And of course he would never do that!

[keithbvadu2]

39. Vlad has no nasty little nickname from his pal Donald

Vlad has no nasty little nickname from his pal Donald

[mopinko]

5. bernie isnt gonna get a chance to talk to trump voters.

the whole point is to get people to refuse to listen. that's all they have to do.

[JoeOtterbein]

8. Voters know what Bernie wants for the USA and the...

...USA finds it A-OK in 2020!

[TomCADem]

17. Ah, That Was Hillary's Problem? She Could Not Match Trump's Eloquence?

You said, "Bernie would talk circles around Trump on healthcare"?

I seriously doubt that Trump won the Republican primary based on his command of the nuances of healthcare. Trump won based in large part on scapegoating immigrants. While Bernie's own past scapegoating and race baiting with anti-immigrant, anti "open borders" rhetoric has won him some right wing admirers like Steve King (R) and Ann Coulter (see Newsweek article below), Bernie is not going to out scapegoat Donald Trump. Bernie might win the Iowa primary with his anti-immigrant views that he sells as populism, but the Iowa general?

https://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-bernie-sanders-borders-policy-2020-1399991

ANN COULTER WOULD VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS' ORIGINAL BORDER POLICY DESPITE 'THE REST OF THE SOCIALIST STUFF

Right-wing pundit and immigration hawk Ann Coulter said she could vote and perhaps even work for democratic socialist Bernie Sanders if he stuck to his "original position" on U.S. border policy.

Sanders, the independent senator for Vermont and a candidate in the Democratic primary for the party's 2020 presidential nomination, is liberal on many immigration issues but is staunchly opposed to open borders, despite the policy's popularity on the left.

"If he went back to his original position, which is the pro blue-collar position—I mean, it totally makes sense with him," Coulter said in an appearance on PBS's Firing Line with Margaret Hoover on Wednesday night.

"If he went back to that position, I'd vote for him, I might work for him. I don't care about the rest of the socialist stuff. Just, can we do something for ordinary Americans?"

[NCProgressive]

51. Bernie won't get a chance to talk about anything

He would be too busy getting sucker punched with out of wedlock child, essays, had no steady job till he ran for office, failure to pay child support, moscow honeymoon, support for Fidel Castro, support for Iranian hostage takers, the "I am a socialist" video and confiscatory taxation. The suburban college-educated voters who helped create the blue wave in 2018 would flee.

Trump and the republican attack machine would eviscerate, pulverize, pummel, puree bernie.

[Chemisse]

6. That doesn't sound very effective.

He'll really have to muck up his potty mouth for the occasion. And he still will sound like the utter asshole that he is.

[John Fante]

7. That's some seriously weak shit.

[thucythucy]

9. Says the jerk who admits he's in love with the communist leader of North Korea

and whose daughter uses the Trump name to get sweetheart deals from the communist leaders of China and who has a bro-mance with the former head of the KGB.

Still, it might be effective. Too bad Bernie hasn't been more vocal in denouncing the aid HIS campaign received from the Russians via social media trolls and such. It would give him added credibility to denounce the Trump/Putin love affair.

[TomCADem]

10. Politico: Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed

Bernie would negate any attack on Trump for being too cozy with Russia.

1. Trump and the infamous meeting regarding lifting Magnitzky Act sanctions? No problem, because Bernie was one of the few members of Congress who voted against them because he apparently is fine with Russian Oligarchs?
2. Trump being hostile to NATO? No problem, because Bernie also thinks NATO is a waste of U.S. tax dollars and advocated adding Russia as a member.
3. Sanctions for Russian interference in 2017? No problem, because Bernie was one of two Senators (the other was Rand Paul) who voted against them.
4. What about the close Senate vote to prevent Trump from lifting sanctions on Russian oligarchs in 2018? Well, Bernie missed that vote again, because he had stuff do.
5. Video tapes of Trump in Russia? Well, Bernie has his own Soviet video tapes.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/bernie-sanders-mystery-soviet-video-revealed-1330347

BURLINGTON, Vt. — It’s 1988 and newlywed Bernie Sanders is in the Soviet Union with his wife, Jane, handing out gifts to the mayor of a midsized city they’ve befriended. The mood is festive as the two bestow the items: A Beatles album, a red “Bernie for Burlington” button, “delicious Vermont candy” and a tape of tunes Sanders recorded himself with fellow artists from Vermont, among other goodies.

“I have met many fine mayors in the United States,” Sanders says, “but I want to say that one of the nicest mayors I've ever met is the mayor of Yaroslavl.”

At another point, a member of Sanders’ delegation hands a Russian woman a small American flag.

“If you’re wondering what’s wrong with capitalism, it’s made in Hong Kong," he jokes. "Sorry about that.”

[Thekaspervote]

16. I've seen some of those, and read them as well. His talking up Cuba's Castro, Maduro and

Ortega....Dangerous dictators.

All well and fine to act worldly and discuss fascism and socialism sitting at your kitchen table. And I’m sure he probably didn’t mean any real harm. Tell that to the voters when the gop run their ads... or lots of Dems for that matter. It’s all the gop need to completely sink sanders.

When dotard says he would “love to run against a communist” believe him for once. It would be a cake walk for the gop

[David__77]

19. Cool.

...

[TomCADem]

25. Of Course, Bernie's Campaign Staff Has Pushed Trump Talking Points on Russia

For example, Briahna Joy Gray is Bernie's current and former campaign secretary:

Link to tweet

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[George II]

11. "when trump actually had a chance to fight against 'The Communists' in Vietnam, he cut and ran"...

So did someone else.

[crazytown]

12. W, Cheney, all the chickenhawks.

[George II]

13. And......

[crazytown]

14. I'm scratching my head,

pointing my finger, spitting a little, but the name escapes me.

[getagrip_already]

28. Did bernie serve in the military?

Just asking. He was the right age.....

[crazytown]

29. Bernie strongly opposed the Vietnam War.

He was a anti-war leftist. If he had been of draft-able age, and got the letter, I suspect he would have decamped to Canada, rather than Vermont.

[getagrip_already]

31. Or he got a deferment....

Which was it? Lucky at the lottery or a deferment?

What kind?

Look, lots of people got deferments for school and post grad study. Clinton did. Nothing wrong with that as long as it wasnt due to privelage or fraud.

So how did bernie get his pass?

[crazytown]

34. I don't know.

He was too old the lottery. Maybe someone here who has followed his career can tell us

[getagrip_already]

36. I looked it up..

He registered as a co, but never got called up.

One would wonder how a co could function as the comander in chief, never being willing to use military force.

That kind of hamstrings a leader.

[crazytown]

37. 'how ... could function as the comander in chief'

The American people don't seem to care about that very much anymore. They preferred W to Kerry, and voted trump.

[getagrip_already]

38. I didn't mean as a dodger...

A conscientious objector has to sign a statement they are unwilling to use any weapon in combat, or condone the use of weapons for any purpose.

It's a special class of service they offer to people who have strong moral or religious objections to killing. In some cases, co's served on front lines in non-combat functions, and some were killed in action. So it wasn't a sure thing.

But if you aren't willing to use force to protect your country, it's kind of a big hole in your job description as potus.

[David__77]

20. Jimmy Carter pardoned lots of them.

It was a terrible war.

[getagrip_already]

32. Carter served in the navy.....

He had the chops to do that. Helped a lot of people out.

[crazytown]

35. My cousin was drafted, came back with PTSD and Agent Orange syndrome,

died of 'atypical' early onset Alzheimers. He was a big brother to me growing up,

[YOHABLO]

15. And of course his base just eats that shit up. Very stupid people.

Unbelievable how stupid people have become. Bernie has never said he is a ''Communist'', and of course most of Trump's base has no knowledge of what the term implies. Actually all they really care about is not paying any taxes, especially taxes that go toward helping any poor African Americans or Hispanic citizens.

In fact, though I'd love to see Bernie debate Trump, I think any of our candidates could make a mince meat pie of him. We shall see if Trump even participates in debates.

[David__77]

18. So what? Trump's a fascist, or something along those lines.

...

[crazytown]

21. Well, the point is,

I don't need Obama's Campaign manager to say how trump would run against Sanders. If trump wants run against a communist, I'd pitch in to buy him a one way ticket to Moscow, where he can go up against Vladimir Putin, KGB.

[duforsure]

22. This is a typical pattern from trump

Using personal issues instead of policy issues he's lost on , then he lies even more to promote his propaganda projecting his own actions onto others. He claims others are anti-patriots , while he displays daily his drooling over to please putin , the prince , and kim for his own political gains , and promotes foreign election involvement , with crimes against our election system. Bernie and others are also very wise to putin and trump and the republicans involvement with these political terrorist attacking our Democracy .

[no_hypocrisy]

23. Not concerned. Trump has a label for EVERY Democrat running against him.

Are we going to nominate one who has the most benign nickname that Trump's assigned to him/her?

[Nanjeanne]

24. I hope he does. Calling Sanders a Communist would be a major fail. Bring it on!

[totodeinhere]

27. Agreed. Any comments he makes about Bernie, Bernie can wear as a badge of honor.

n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. You said it... bring it!! Then let's talk about ending corporate socialism!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[totodeinhere]

26. We should not let him dictate to us who our candidate will be.

Comments from that idiot are irrelevant. And you better believe that whoever turns out to be our nominee, this guy will have a long list of hateful and deceitful comments to make about them. But we can't let him intimidate us.

[booley]

30. if memory serves every Democrat is a communist

Every Democrat who has ever run against a Republican is a Communist. At least according to the Republican. They've been doing this since at least FDR. I think Obama even managed to be both a Communist and a Fascist (never mind the contradiction there)

I find it reassuring that a guy who prides himself on his name-calling can't think of anything original in regards to Sanders.

[crazytown]

33. Even Reagan would not have had the nerve to call JFK / RFK a communist.

but I take your point ... all Democrats are 'socialists' now, 'communist-lite to the GOP.

[keithbvadu2]

40. "entrepreneur"

"entrepreneur"

Cheats his employees.

Cheats his vendors.

Cheats his contractors.

Steals from his own charity.

Hires illegals (republican term) rather than pay Americans.

Fires his illegals, but only after the grape harvest at his winery.

[Gothmog]

41. The last time we experimented with a close to Bernie and Liz candidate was in 1972-George McGovern.

Link to tweet

[crazytown]

43. What a crock.

Nixon approval - 61%, trump 43%

[Gothmog]

46. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[crazytown]

47. Indeed

[Gothmog]

42. Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie

Link to tweet

Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

“If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders,” Messina said. “I think the contrast is the best. He can say, ‘I’m a business guy, the economy’s good and this guy’s a socialist.’ I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that he’d be excited about in a way that he wouldn’t be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.”....

“From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend,” Messina added.“If you’re the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you don’t want to spend the election talking about socialism.”

Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.

[UniteFightBack]

44. Forget Communist ...it's the Socialist tag that's real, everybody 'understands' and is a candidate

killer. nt

[crazytown]

45. Oh I think he will go for Communist,

Cuba and Venezuela, then leave it the Dems to explain the differences between communism, socialism and 'democratic socialism' - a conversation just where they want it.

I can hear him now. He says he's not a communist - not a communist - where did he take his honeymoon - communist Russia.

[Hortensis]

52. Yes. And all would quickly learn communism IS socialism.

The most extreme form of course, allowing only one state party and centralized control of the nation. But collective ownership and labor, etc.

On the plus side, Sanders has not exactly been informative about what Democratic socialism is, so most of his supporters would be forced to finally learn what that is, and is not, in order to defend it. "Oh, this is what he wants to do... Oh."

And, everyone would also learn why Sanders assumes an oppositional congress, Dems and Repubs, that will require him to create giant waves of support among the people to force the legislative branch to surrender to the president's will, or else. Representatives the same people also just elected, but hey, vote for 'em in November, march in the streets threatening to throw them out in February, May, August, October...

[Cornus]

56. Communism IS NOT Socialism

https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

[Hortensis]

57. Different definitions can be found to defend every statement.

Sanders defines socialism as what we already have in our liberal democracy, government schools, roads, and so.

I studied this in college long ago, btw, at a time when common discussion differentiated the big, threatening Soviet and Chinese communist governments from the revolutionary socialist governments elsewhere. Common labels in no way alter the reality that all the various forms these governments took were collectivist socialist systems at base.

[My Pet Orangutan]

48. This

[Quixote1818]

49. He has lost credibility with over 50% if the country

They won't buy it. They called Obama a Muslim and Hillary a Socialist.

[DanTex]

50. This should put to bed the "Trump loves Bernie" line that centrists on twitter have been pushing.

But will it?

[The Valley Below]

55. Exactly the opposite.

It would be an easy win for Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. So, obviously, President Pig Vomit is most scared of Bernie... I can see why!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!