Bernie Sanders Gave Joe Biden High Praise...

[Kahuna7]

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when he thought he wasn't running in 2016.

Link to tweet

New link added.

[janterry]

1. So?

Hasn't Biden said nice things about Bernie, in the past?

[Kahuna7]

6. Maybe? I've haven't seen it. But I guess it's possible. nt

[LiberalLovinLug]

10. "Biden praises Sanders on income inequality, calls Clinton 'relatively new' to the fight"

From the very beginning of 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/index.html

VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: If Bernie Sanders had never said he was a "Democratic Socialist," based on what he is saying, people would not be calling him that. That's how he characterizes himself --in sort of European terms-- like the Democratic-socialist parties in Europe.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN: But why is [Clinton] having trouble [beating him]?

BIDEN: Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real, and he has credibility on it. And that is the absolutely enormous concentration of wealth in a small group of people with the middle class being left out...

CNN: But Hillary is talking about that as well?

BIDEN: Well, it is relatively new for Hillary to talk about that. Hillary's focus has been on other things up until now, and it has been Bernie's --no one questions Bernie's authneticity on these issues.



But that was before Biden knew he was running against Sanders.


I don't get your point. You think candidates should be praising each other more in the heat of the primaries? Nice notion I guess.

[ehrnst]

32. It appears Biden has changed his mind.

That happens to the best of candidates...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/30/even-bernie-sanders-throws-towel-funding-medicare-for-all/

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-reverses-hillary-clinton-qualified-221709

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-reverses-course-gun-immunity-vote-n498101

https://www.scribd.com/document/416552374/Bernie-1989-Easy-in-Monthly-Review

[Cha]

16. LOL@ "So?" "Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the..

well-being of working families and the middle class"

Link to tweet

BS can't take that back. lol

[Tom Rinaldo]

2. They are both pledged to support each other should the other win the nomination.

I assume that they overall said positive things about each in the past and will again in the future. That doesn't mean that they are in total agreement on everything. At the moment they happen to be competing against each other for the same office, it only makes sense for each to make the case for why they should be preferred by voters, which includes exploring whatever differences they have.

[Kahuna7]

5. Yeah but, that video is from 2015. That's when he

never thought he'd have to run against Biden. So, there's that.

[msongs]

24. lol we saw that pledge in action not too long ago lol nt

[R B Garr]

3. Thanks for showing Sanders' utter hypocrisy with

his phony attacks on Joe Biden now.

[Kahuna7]

4. Wow! Somebody actual gets it.

[Autumn]

19. You do know that a person can respect a person for some things they have done and find fault

with other actions they have done?

[Thekaspervote]

7. +1000

[thesquanderer]

8. Is there a contradiction between those statements and what he is saying now?

For example, he has repeatedly knocked Biden for supporting the Iraq war. But that doesn't contradict anything he said in that 2015 video. One can have both positive and negative things to say about someone, and choose to say one or the other depending on context and circumstances.

[Kahuna7]

9. At least he gives Biden credit for his LIFE LONG record

of public service. Can't say that about everybody.

[R B Garr]

35. Exactly. He is on record giving Biden credit for his lifelong reputation for helping

the middle class, but now he wants to take it back because Biden is a threat to him. You have it exactly right.

I think "Iraq" was just thrown in there to muddy things up and distract,

[Kahuna7]

21. Ask yourself. Don't ask me. nt

[thesquanderer]

22. I was asking R B Garr, not you, in response to his saying he saw hypocrisy. (n/t)

[Kahuna7]

23. I apologize. nt

[R B Garr]

34. No, Sanders changed his tune about Biden because Bernie wants to pretend he's the answer

to everything ever uttered about helping the middle class. But he got caught in his own hypocrisy now that he, himself, has complimented Biden over Joe's reputation for helping working families/middle class.

[thesquanderer]

36. I don't see much tune changing.

I mean, of course, you may speak about someone's best attributes in some circumstances and things you are critical about in other circumstances, but I don't see this as any different than, for example, Biden having complimented Kamala Harris at some points and been critical of her at others. The statements are not contradictory if you're not criticizing her for the same things you complimented her for. Sanders criticizing Biden over, for example, the crime bill or the Iraq war vote, are not inconsistent with the comments he made in this 2015 video. It is normal to be more magnanimous toward someone when they have announced that they will NOT be competing with you, and less so if you find yourself actually competing with them.

I will grant you one discrepancy, though. In the magnanimous appraisal of Biden's record of helping the working class, Sanders neglected the bankruptcy bill, which he mentions now, which is arguably a departure from Biden's consistent support for the working class. At least Warren was very critical of that bill at the time.

[R B Garr]

37. Yes, Biden is known as a champion for the working class. Thanks for acknowledging that fact

about his life in public service. I see you threw "bankruptcy" in as well as "Iraq" in attempt to whitewash Bernie's hypocrisy. Bernie is on tape with Lou Dodd several years ago discussing immigrants and how they take jobs away from the American working class. He also supports the F-35 mega military industrial complex work done in his state. I can throw things out there, too. That doesn't change Bernie's hypocrisy in now trying to denigrate Biden when he is on tape complimenting him before. It's not like we haven't seen Bernie's repetitive smears against Democrats before.

[thesquanderer]

38. You're conflating different things

What does Bernie having said/done things you don't like have to do with it? The fact that there are legitimate things to disagree with Sanders about in no way means that there can't also be legitimate things to disagree with Biden about! Of course you can throw things out there too, who said you couldn't? It doesn't invalidate what Sanders has said. It's that old whataboutism again.

Nor is there hypocrisy in criticizing someone you have complimented before. Different circumstances, different subjects. It is indeed possible to both compliment AND criticize someone. I can easily compliment AND criticize Obama. And there is no reason I have to repeat my criticisms when I compliment him, or repeat my compliments when I criticize him. It doesn't make it hypocritical to talk about my criticisms on one day, and my compliments on another. Why would this be a problem?

[R B Garr]

39. LOL, you are the one conflating things. That was my point. It's just an exercise

to trot out the worn out, tired Bernie criticisms. Blah blah bankruptcy Iraq. Soon it will be millionaires/billionaires. Establishment so and so. I am so sick of the repetitive one-size-fits-all criticisms that you are attempting here. There is NOTHING BUT HYPOCRISY when you look at what Bernie said in October 2015 and what he is saying now. It's nothing but hypocrisy. I think we're done here. I'm not the least bit interested in you substituting all the lame Biden insults into everything.

[thesquanderer]

40. Both candidates have their strong and weak spots.

Heck, neither is my first choice, though I'd be okay with either of them... and could see myself voting for either of them in the primary, if they are polling way better than Warren in head-to-heads against Trump in swing states.

I just don't think that having different opinions about someone at DIFFERENT times about DIFFERENT policies indicates hypocrisy. There is no candidate I would say 100% good or 100% bad things about. Having a mix of feelings, and not stating every one of those feelings at every time and in every context isn't hypocrisy. That is the ONLY point I've been trying to make, and nothing you have said addresses that.

[R B Garr]

41. I've already said it's just another excuse for Bernie.

I’ve already said that. No more excuses for Bernie. He is threatened by Biden’s reputation as a strong leader for unions/middle class, but Bernie is on record as complimenting Joe’s known reputation as Middle Class Joe. You are the one twisting that into all the repetitive anti-Joe Smears.

[thesquanderer]

42. I didn't smear anyone. Each can justifiably criticize the other. No one is without weak spots.

Though again, I'm speaking to your point, while you avoid mine, which is simply that there is no inherent hypocrisy in making both positive and negative comments, at different times, in different contexts, about different things.

[R B Garr]

44. Your "point" is just a distraction. Your pile-on

predictable Biden smears are really just the worn out so-called Bernie bingo generic attacks. Bernie was caught complimenting Biden and now is attacking him over the same compliments. It doesn’t get more hypocritical than that. Looks like we’re done here. Sorry, but the tangents about “different” this and that is just an excuse.

[Cha]

45. Hell freaking YEAH!

[crazytown]

11. Tweet deleted! Thanks Mr. Sirota,

you're a past master at this. Nice to know you're scanning DU.

[Kahuna7]

12. Are you calling me David Sirota?

Don't insult and run. Respond please.

[Kahuna7]

14. OK. I was about to go psycho....

I did add the video from youtube that I cited.

[Cha]

18. Here's another tweet that works, Kahuna, as the one in the OP

is deleted.. Mahalo for the Vid.. it's forever.

Link to tweet

"Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well-being of working families and the middle class" - Bernie Sanders, Oct 2015

[Hav]

17. Damn, someone didn't like your thread about this while I was replying

But these kind of actions are telling. I, too, can't see the tweet anymore. I cannot think of any other Dem campaign that would delete nice things they said.

[Cha]

20. Here's another tweet on the same, Hav..

Link to tweet

"Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well-being of working families and the middle class" - Bernie Sanders, Oct 2015

[Kahuna7]

25. RiotWomenn finds the best oppo videos.

How are ya, Babe?

[Cha]

26. we love RiotWomenn.. 1st time I've ever Retweeted

a quote from BS.

I'm ok, Kahuna.. how are you!?

[Renew Deal]

28. That's not really a damaging video

Most people acknowledge that Biden is a decent person.

[Autumn]

15. I felt that Biden was the one we needed too. Then he announced and started campaigning. He wasn't

the man I remembered. Now I know he is not the one that we need with everything we are facing.
The tweet is gone whatever it said.

[betsuni]

27. That they deleted that tweet gives me the creeps.

[Cha]

48. sirota is "creepy".. hope

he's lurking.

This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:

He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646

Link to tweet

The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.

David Sirota's history: "From a Bogus Website to Bernie Sanders's Inner Circle"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1287&pid=414915

[blm]

29. Um ... do people not know Joe and Bernie are good pals in Real Life?

[Gothmog]

30. This will make a great ad

[Kahuna7]

31. This, together with the clips from Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell

also giving Biden high praise.

[Cha]

47. It would.

[Gothmog]

50. I have a feeling that we will be seeing this ad

[Cha]

51. We should.. It's a definite endorsement. lol

[ehrnst]

33. The minute one disagrees with Senator Sanders on anything, everying changes as far as

Senator Sanders is concerned.

[progressoid]

43. FAKE FAKE FAKE.

This has to be fake because everyone here knows that Bernie spends all his time criticizing Democrats and the Democratic party.

[Cha]

46. Yeah.. BS needs to be held accountable for what he

said about Joe Biden then and what his campaign is smearing about Biden NOW.

This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:

He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646

Link to tweet

The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.

[booley]

49. Obama praised Sanders on his progressiveness

Clinton praised Sanders on all the hard work he did to get her elected

Sanders has been praised by Democrats for years. They have campaigned for him. They have put him n leadership roles.

[blm]

52. Joe Biden gave Elizabeth Warren high praise when he thought

he might run in 2016 and wanted her to run as his VP.