Democratic Primaries
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)May our wishes and intentions come true this 2020....
2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Mr. Gutenberg is correct. That is indeed a RW/NRA gun lobby talking-point... and Mr. Gutenberg's disgust with BS is completely justified. Many share his feelings in that regard. I'm glad he's speaking up and calling him out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Apparently Fred Gutenberg is making a lot of BS supporters a little testy. But I assure you that he's not going to be silenced. (And that's all I'll say about that for now... for obvious reasons.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but I chose the one that was safe. (And I'll just leave it at that, for obvious reasons.)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,149 posts)But he can kiss my ass.
The dem nominee, period. Or they can go fuck themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Happy New Year!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,149 posts)As long as Trump doesn't pick the next couple of SCOTUS judges, every and anything else is a matter of preference, not survival.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
It wasn't at all clear from the original post.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)No doubt Mr. Guttenberg was blocked by Sirota less than 30 seconds later.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Link to tweet
Thank you, George, for Mr Guttenberg's mission in life.. after his daughter, Jamie was murdered by heinous gun violence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)he said about ".. not owing them an apology..
Sanders: I don't owe Sandy Hook victims' families an apology
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/276402-sanders-i-dont-owe-sandy-hook-victims-families-an-apology
I'm sure Mr Guttenberg knows that, too.
Mahalo for the reminder, George
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Anyone who hopes to get my vote to become our party's nominee in hopes to be elected the Leader of the Free World needs to be able to show compassion. He (or she) will be someone who will listen and doesn't blame victims. He (or she) will be someone who isn't afraid to admit mistakes, or show emotion, or share grief.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)family wouldn't be torn apart by senseless shooting of guns that are unconstitutional to even HAVE outside of a locked, well regulated militia building.
No, Heller is not legitimate nor is the current court.
HAVING SAID THAT I wish Bernie would stop giving us reasons to say these things, I wish he would stop supporting these things and STOP BASHING our party because if he is the nominee we are going to need all the votes, and while I will vote for him I know people who wont.
Now that is EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID in the past during another election about a DIFFERENT candidate.
I truly wish Bernie would stop so it will be EASIER for the party to support him if necessary, because as much as I dont like him, he is FAR better than rump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 1, 2020, 11:53 PM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
"Chambi"?
Just Cha.. you're Welcome, Sloumeau.. Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)just thought you should know.. in case you get a notion again. lol I kid!
LOl.. those auto-corrects are "possessed"!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Guttenberg didn't say he hated Bernie; he said he couldn't support him because he doesn't agree with his position on gun control. And it's perfectly OK to criticize Bernie for any reason he wants, including for trying to attract GOP voters who like his position on guns. Fred Guttenberg has a damn good reason for his opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Not to vote for BS.
And, dsirota never stops.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Also, I'm shocked, Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)anyone doesn't like BS' policies.
Mahalo, Sloumeau
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jamie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Reminds me of something and I can't say it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cary
(11,746 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thanks for speaking out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)If he is trying to frame Bernie as not being supportive of gun safety laws, then he is not being honest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bernie Sanders and the Brady Bill... a review.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/
But before Brady became law, it underwent many transformations. Sanders, elected to the House of Representatives in 1990, voted on it numerous times, virtually almost always in opposition:
In May 1991, Sanders voted against a version that mandated a seven-day waiting period for background checks, but the bill passed in the House.
The Senate decreased the waiting period to five days and the bill returned to the House. In Nov. 1991, Sanders voted against that version. Though it passed in the House, the Senate didnt muster enough votes. The Brady bill and its gun control stance remained in limbo during 1992.
After some back and forth, a version of the bill resurfaced that reinstated the five day waiting period. In November 1993, Sanders voted against that version but for an amendment imposing an instant background check instead (seen by some as pointless, as the technology for instant checks didnt exist at the time).
He also voted against an amendment that would have ended state waiting periods, and for an amendment giving those denied a gun the right to know why.
The final compromise version of the Brady bill -- an interim five-day waiting period while installing an instant background check system -- was passed and signed into law on Nov. 30, 1993. Sanders voted against it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Bernie supports gun safety laws.
The thing about the Brady Bill is that Bernie wanted to wait for the Instant Background Check system.
Creating a waiting period that was going to become obsolete was a waste of time and resources and wouldn't save many if any lives.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)There seems to be a definitely failure to communicate when it comes to things like this. Just today, in fact, someone tried to tell me that BS votes with the Democratic party 99% of the time. (A number that's often repeated but which has no semblance to fact.)
Jesus.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)It looks like they are working toward the same gun safety goals to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Guttenberg
From Wiki:
From https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/
Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington.
Expand background checks.
End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
Prohibit high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Implement a buyback program to get assault weapons off the streets.
Regulate assault weapons in the same way that we currently regulate fully automatic weapons a system that essentially makes them unlawful to own.
Crack down on straw purchases where people buy guns for criminals.
Support red flag laws and legislation to ensure we keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and stalkers
Ban the 3-D printing of firearms and bump stocks
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)Link to tweet
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,481 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,481 posts)It's silly. I keep seeing people say they were so disappointed by Obama that they became disillusioned, but if by some miracle Bernie became president after making so many promises... Imagine the disillusionment to come! In 2017 Bernie said that the best chance to get health care passed in the face of Republican opposition was to try for an ACA public option and lower Medicare age, which was the Democratic Party platform. He will compromise. Whoever the next president is, including Bernie, is going to do this. Republicans are not going to magically be nice because of imaginary rallies. He's a politician. It's sad to see people fooled this way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Evidently he doesn't care for Sanders' positions on gun control, including his vote against the 1993 Brady Bill that established national background checks, and for another bill that protects gun companies from lawsuits if their products are used in crimes. Those votes are facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)See how that works.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)like Sirota, who falsely accused him of hating Bernie and apparently thinks Bernie should be immune from criticism. Guttenberg never expressed any hatred of Bernie, only that he opposes him because of his gun safety votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cary
(11,746 posts)by not supporting gun control which is what Gutenberg is for.
Good thinking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)There's a difference.
From what I've heard, Bernie supports the gun control Guttenberg seeks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cary
(11,746 posts)You don't deny being punitive against Guttenberg for his assessment of Sanders and "from what I've heard..." is a weak denial regarding Sanders' stance on gun control. So my understanding stands.
smh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I have no interest in confirming or denying your question about being punitive. I prefer to think of my position on Gutenberg as consequentialist.
I posted details on Bernies stance on guns in relation to Gutenbergs in post 55.
I expect nothing from you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cary
(11,746 posts)Nor does your interest affect me.
Still you have not refuted my observations nor my observation of your non-response.
If that is the case, why be defensive? If you feel that you are justified in being punitive then be honest and own it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)and, you should know by now, NOTHING Bernie does will EVER be good enough. Why?! BECAUSE HE'S BERNIE!! You can't even misspell his name without receiving ridicule.
Even though I would never vote for Biden in the primary, unless he's the last Democrat running, I can still find good things to say about him, and DO, when he's occasionally right about something or if he makes some stride on his campaign, whether it's a poll, an endorsement, or if Joe evolves on some issue... but, for others, NOT WHEN IT COMES TO BERNIE, as that would go against the #1 Rule of Bernie Bashing: ALWAYS look for ANY opportunity to bash Bernie, careful to NEVER give him credit for ANYTHING!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)record
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)over yours.. see how that works?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)"Guns in Vermont Are Not the Same Thing As Guns in Chicago or Guns in Los Angeles"
Newsflash: Someone shot and killed in Vermont is just as dead as someone shot and killed in Chicago or Los Angeles.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)do use the mental heath thing as an excuse...the reason instead of guns...so I find it disturbing as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bernie strongly supports gun safety laws, but also recognizes that it is a complicated multi-faceted problem that includes mental health issues. Anyone who eliminates that aspect is being unrealistic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mopinko
(70,090 posts)he supports civil rights, he cant turn around and pretend he never had an A rating from the nra, and that there was some pie in the sky worth waiting for while people were dying in the streets.
pick one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
scipan
(2,350 posts)And where are you getting these falsehoods from?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mopinko
(70,090 posts)or just an idiot?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)Your choice how to proceed...
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-nra-report-card-d-minus-most-recent/
The grades the gun lobby did have on file show Sanders has never exactly been in its favor, with one sort-of exception.
1992
D
1994
F
1996
F
1998
F
2000
F
2002
F
2004
D+
2006
C-
2012
D-
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)17. And this is why I can't support you, Fred Guttenberg.
Do you have it in your heart to support Jaime? She was about to turn 15.
We need gun control. Laws and regulations and we needed them decades ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Or any candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Any day now, I'm sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Mental health is not his only position on reducing gun violence, but if you are informed by tweets I can see why you might think that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)talking about which is Fred Guttenberg's point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)from https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington.
Expand background checks.
End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
Prohibit high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Implement a buyback program to get assault weapons off the streets.
Regulate assault weapons in the same way that we currently regulate fully automatic weapons a system that essentially makes them unlawful to own.
Crack down on straw purchases where people buy guns for criminals.
Support red flag laws and legislation to ensure we keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and stalkers
Ban the 3-D printing of firearms and bump stocks
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)Guttenberg's Excellent Point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)I see a grieving father that lost his daughter, 14 years old. All you see is a smear on your candidate and not a Childs life. Never said he was anti....he is however lax in gun regulation because VT loves to hunt. They sure don't need automatic rifles to do so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)because of his gun control votes. He didn't lie or misrepresent those positions. No smears anywhere - but it seems like you're not allowed to disagree with Bernie lest you be accused of smearing him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)does not equal hating Bernie. Fred Guttenberg has more skin (literally) in the game than most. Why does any criticism of BS get blown up as hate for Bernie? Jesus its ridiculous. So BSs less that strong support for gun control is a deal breaker for some folks...it doesnt mean theyre hating on Bernie...it means they dont support him which is their right.
Oh no... how can that be?
Holy gawd this is getting stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,481 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to MontanaMama (Reply #105)
aikoaiko This message was self-deleted by its author.
Cha
(297,190 posts)because that's all they have. Like it's going to change anyone's mind about BS' gun voting record.
Link to tweet
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/tr
Mahalo, MontanaMama~
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)So BS isnt a Dem or a repuke...WTF is he? This revolution seems intent on burning it all to the ground. For a guy who doesnt have a history of passing much if any legislation...this seems to be going nowhere good,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Someone recently told me...
Charming, eh?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)with gun safety being discussed in the debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,150 posts)It appears that you don't have any empathy for a man who lost his daughter because of gun violence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)that Fred Guttenberg is a grieving father, not a Democratic pundit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)It is not permitted to criticize Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,162 posts)...oh, I get it...
...we have to support whomever the nominee may be, but you don't have to...
...something more to think about come November...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)as do many DUers. I doubt very much that Guttenberg will vote for Trump in the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fact of the matter is, @BernieSanders is not running to be president. He's currently running to be the Democratic nominee. This is very simple: Mr. Gutenberg cannot support BS in his quest to become the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,162 posts)...don't be mean, remember your blood pressure...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
handmade34
(22,756 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)One the edge of a cliff, on one leg, with your eyes closed.
This isn't the time for political purity or a protest vote at the polls.
Too much is at stake to have that foolishness.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)If I was a one sub issue voter, I too would be against him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)best for America and the Planet like we all do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PJMcK
(22,035 posts)This is a fundamental that has always bothered me about Senator Sanders.
Hey, Bernie! Pick a side and commit to it.
It really shouldn't be that difficult.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zeus69
(391 posts)By the Trump team
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Oh, there's more. There's a clip (a debate? a town-hall?) where he's boasting about being a Socialist.
Well, I'm a proud Democrat... I don't vote for Socialists.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Fighting Social Security and Medicare cuts.... The Rise of the Military Industrial Complex He was arrested during the Civil Rights Movement .. He supported Gay Rights when it was a terribly unpopular stance to take .. Bernie lead the fight against the disastrous Iraq War when 70% of the country supported it ...Opposed NAFTA . He shamed Amazon and Disney into paying their workers 15 bucks an hour ..Once again he is the leading the fight for Universal Healthcare - standing firm while all the others backtrack and equivocate Is he a Saint Bernard ? No .But he is a terribly cool old cat ...That is why the young people love him ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Sanders has long supported banning semi-automatic weapons, voting for the federal assault weapons ban in 1994. He's also voted against concealed carry reciprocity - a top agenda item for the NRA - and for 2013 legislation conceived after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that would have banned high-capacity magazines and reinstituted the assault weapons ban.
Arianna Jones, a Sanders campaign spokeswoman, told The Hill in a statement that presidential politics isn't factoring into Sanders's gun views. She specifically cited his stance on the assault weapons ban in a statement to The Hill, arguing that Sanders is on the right side of the issue.
"The senator is not concerned about any potential 2020 race - he's concerned about the very real epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings plaguing our country," she said.
"Sen. Sanders stands with the vast majority of the American people who are in the shared fight for safer gun laws and against the NRA's corporate influence and ability to buy candidates and elected officials. This isn't the time to play politics, it's time to work together in order to create policy that reflects the urgency of our current situation."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)Sensible Guns Laws because of his daughter, Jamie, are here on this thread.. and then of course those that are trying to distract from what Fred Guttenberg is saying.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)if Sanders were to be the candidate of the Democratic Party, would you vote for a different candidate?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ask him again if he actually becomes our party's nominee... which he won't. The BS followers are loud and loyal... only problem is, there just aren't enough of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)he isn't seeing the bigger picture.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)make them a one issue activist.
Using your argument, those of DU that criticize Biden for the Iraq War Resolution vote are one issue activists, since Biden has far more texture to his political career than that one vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)FG is a one issue voter.. or that he "isn't seeing the bigger picture".
All of us who don't want BS to be the nom are most certainly seeing the bigger picture.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)against anyone who dares out poll Bernie. That is disheartening, I have not questioned the decency of most Bernie supporters here, they seem to be decent enough people, I do question the rose-colored glasses that most of them seem to wear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)seeing the bigger picture.. as are all of us who are Not voting for BS in the Primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He is fighting for saner guns laws because if we had them, he may not have buried his teen daughter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...Trump!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)"I am hopeful for another candidate or every bit of my energy will be focused on flipping the Senate..."
Sounds like a threat to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)None at all. He states that he is "hopeful" for another candidate. Since this is the primary one can safely assume he speaks about his primary vote. He made no mention of the GE.
Also we should all be concentrating on flipping the Senate from red to blue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Fred Guttenberg as making a "threat".. in fact insulting."
Mahalo, she
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I see no threat at all.
I see a Dad who lost his 14 year old baby girl. He wants justice for her and others like her. He wants to stop the slaughter of innocents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee. I will support the nominee but I strongly doubt that sanders will the nominee. There are too many real democrats who remember what sanders has done with respect to gun manufacturers and these real democrats will not forget or forgive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That is totally NOT what he is saying. Bernie has basically skated by on his history with gun control legistlation. Some people want him held accountable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)re-emerges as the battlecry against Bernie. Though, the more Bernie gets dissed, the more he gains new supporters who continue to jump on the Bernie Bandwagon!!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
So much for unity and a commitment to support the nominee. Whoever it might be.
I post an article critical of Biden on social media today. I got a response telling me to cut the bullshit. He then went on to angrily state that he hopes that Sanders gets hit by a truck.
So it begins. The party falls apart before primaries have even started. Sad, but not unexpected.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Saying 'absolutely' is the first problem.
I'm not a big Sanders fan, but if he wins the nomination, I will without hesitation vote for him.
Stop with the goddamn purity. NOT NOW!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)and it's not him that does the "gd purity".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)who is running "purity campaign".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paleotn
(17,912 posts)The ones who could be reasoned with left IQ45 and his merry band of Rethuglican sycophants and assholes months ago. What's left can't be reasoned with. They can't be swayed. And they can't be changed. If this unmitigated disaster of an administration can't sway them to the side of good and right, nothing can. Don't waste time and energy. Go after those unregistered or those who just don't vote. Turn out the base. If you can't turn out the base, then we need someone who can.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)fire with the thought of Sanders or Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McKim
(2,412 posts)This is just the first of a barrage of attacks against candidate Sanders. I am not paying attention. Health Care for All is affordable and America deserves it!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
skh500
(21 posts)I am very sorry Mr Guttenberg lost his child at Parkland, but he needs to understand what really happened.
The school district was totally negligent! The shooter was diagnosed at 3yrs of age and Broward county was suppose to provide special education services to him. They failed to provide the necessary services mandated by Federal and State Statute. Tallahassee did cite them in violation of the law after the shooting occurred.
Prior to the time of the shooting Parkland school personnel had decided the special ed student should be in a more restrictive setting. However, they procrastinated for months and NEVER provided the services.....until the student finally dropped out.
According to the local papers in Broward, the school district spent something close to $76,000 on PR to cover up their neglect.
Mr Guttenberg needs to talk to the retired Director of Special Ed and get the real story!! Instead of bashing Bernie Sanders. The one candidate who has helped people and talked the same line for 40 yrs.
He is probably more of a democrat (progressive) than most dems. Sen Reid selected him "Chair" of Veterans Affairs and he was awarded numerous awards by the vets. He was the ranking member of budget committee. That is more dem "Leadership" than a lot of dems. He is also noted as the Amendment King when in the House. Isn't he the one who just recently shamed Jeff Bezos (Amazon) into paying his employees $15.00 an hour?
The school district is the one to blame....not Bernie Sanders!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)This tragedy could have been prevented if there was adequate restriction on weapons of war. The fact that sanders voted to immunize weapon manufacturers from liability is a big negative with me. sanders has been wrong on gun issues for a long time
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The same people that are ok with holding a Biden vote against him forever are ok with Bernie skating by his past votes on gun legistlation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Parkland was BS' fault.. quit trying to distract.. it's Not working.
Link to tweet
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/tr
He doesn't like BS for the Nom because of other gun issues he has with him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Sanders, Guttenberg says, should have known better than to vote for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
"Unfortunately, I, as a gun violence victim, am still paying a cost for his decision on PLCAA. That doesn't go away," he said.
https://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_2762f93a5a088aecd0a976aa09458fc8
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)This man lost a child and kept on fighting. He is a truly amazing man who is making a difference in the world
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David Sirota
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)but his stance on gun control is really not one of them. He has a D- rating from the NRA and his views are very much in the mainstream for Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)Link to tweet
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I didn't realize it would be the gun issue, but of course. Tragedy gives his voice extra meaning, but of course her father would also feel a need to speak up for his daughter who can't, not just himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Its a big club.
Sadly should he be the candidate I will have to support him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,149 posts)That is all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)It hasn't even been two years since he lost his child to gun violence.
Imagine it being important to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,149 posts)In the primaries, whoever, whatever.
This sounds like he's saying 'Never Bernie', even if he's the nominee. If that isn't what's meant, then I have not the slightest opinion.
All that matters to me is that Trump doesn't pick the next couple of SCOTUS justices; everything else is just a preference.
As long as someone votes blue in the general fine, if not, to hell with them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)The next time someone comes at voters on the left for not being blue no matter who, I can just whip this out as an example of hypocrisy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)That's right.. if you're attacking a father who lost his daughter...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I really respect Fred Gutenberg
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)his grief to purpose for his daughter.. I think Joe Biden may have taught him that.. at least that's what Biden did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
James48
(4,435 posts)You are attacking a top tier candidate
Because hes said Mental Health is a problem? Really?
Bernie is realistic- NO ONE will be elected if all they do is want to ban all guns. Lets do what we can, make moves that have wide support, and STOP BASHING DEM Candidates simply because they focus on the mental health issues of our nation.
Just STOP IT!
I support Bernie- but I wont tear down Joe Biden, or Elizabeth Warren, or Pete Buttigiege in the process. Ill vote BLUE, no matter who, when the time comes. and I Hope that is Bernie!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Whatever quibbles he might have with Bernie the alternative is unthinkable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)...regarding Sen. Sanders or anything he says concerning the primary choices. I doubt any supporters of Sen. Sanders will change their votes in reaction to his tweets. YMMV.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)people who hinder the chances of Democrats winning elections?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Mouth
(3,149 posts)If he means in the general? Fuck you Fred.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)but I really worry about how the GOP will tar and feather him.
There is actual tape of him singing "this is my land," half naked in Moscow while it was still the USSR. And no, I am not kidding.
I think they will successfully tar him as a Commie, not just a Socialist.
Oh well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html
I think that they are holding back on attacking him for that reason, and will unleash the full oppo treatment should he become the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)A state that, despite being liberal on almost everything else, is very pro-gun, because the state is both rural and has a low crime rate. His stance on guns as a senator from Vermont isn't necessarily how he'd be as president. Plus, it will be nice not to have to deal with the "he'll take away your guns" scare crap if he gets the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)After all these years of BS's acolytes telling us "we can't win without him and his devoted" they may just end up finding out that while it's difficult for us to win without them, it'll be downright impossible for him to have ANY chance of winning without us.. and he's done sooo much to win all of us actual, long time Democratic Party supporters over, now hasn't he?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)for the latest from Mr Guttenberg
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)So insulting that they think it's totally okay that their supporters are in no way shape or form obligated to support any of our long term, ACTUAL Democratic Party candidates, but have this ridiculous expectation that if he manages to get the nomination, that it's our obligation to fall in line like good little soldiers and get behind him. The double standard is disgusting, and from what I'm seeing around me, from the homes I've been canvassing while working for the Liz Fletcher, and MJ Hegar campaigns, in my own social circles, and on other sites where you are not obligated by rules to at least pretend you will support him if he wins are more and more deciding that they've had enough of him and aren't so willing to after all. anyone but bern or bust is a trending hash that's growing legs.
For the benefit of our country, I hope that he and his campaign gets their act together on this division they continue to sew, because as I said above.. their claims that we won't win without their support may be true, but he has absolutely NO shot at it without the "Democratic Party Establishment" banding together behind him if he does manage to pull off the primary.
We have won without his supporters before.. the revers cannot be said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gore1FL
(21,130 posts)He'd get driven off of DU for that attitude.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
How did I miss this one Cha? Great job.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)I follow Fred on Twitter. As a parent, I cannot imagine the pain this man has suffered and I really admire him
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)adding this to the thread!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)sounds familiar.. I do remember.. how you been?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Though I think in reality all the candidates will be about the same on gun control should they win the Presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Thank you, Goth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Thanks Goth!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)Mahalo Goth.. you know what I think of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden