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elleng

(130,126 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:21 PM Mar 2019

Pete Buttigieg: Trump Should Have Never Come 'Within Cheating Distance' Of 2016 Election

'The 2020 presidential hopeful is concerned about more than just the possibility of Trump’s re-election.

South Bend, Indiana mayor and 2020 presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg is cautioning Democrats against thinking an investigation will upend President Donald Trump’s administration.

Instead, he’s warning his fellow party members to recognize how they arrived at this point in the first place.

Reacting on MSNBC Sunday to Attorney General William Barr’s summary of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe report, Buttigieg warned Democrats that “we’ve got to be paying attention to the kinds of conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place.”

“I would argue a figure like this president should never have been able to come within cheating distance of the Oval Office, and I fear that if we’re not paying attention to the causes that he’s a symptom of, then not only is it possible for him to succeed in 2020, but we could also find ourselves with another figure like him or even worse in the future,” he said.”'

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-donald-trump-mueller-report_n_5c980fa6e4b0a6329e18327b?

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Pete Buttigieg: Trump Should Have Never Come 'Within Cheating Distance' Of 2016 Election (Original Post) elleng Mar 2019 OP
Yes Mayor Pete is correct katmondoo Mar 2019 #1
He's correct, but Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #46
Actually, I'd say large numbers of us have had our fingers in our ears shanny Mar 2019 #53
100% right and I give him credit for saying this... doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #2
Another reason to like Mayor Pete. marylandblue Mar 2019 #3
There shouldn't have been so many Damn LIES about Hillary.. Cha Mar 2019 #4
I Am Totally There With You On This, Hoa Me. Mar 2019 #22
Exactly, Me. All of This needs paying attention Cha Mar 2019 #25
Yeah, ignoring the misogyny on the right and left, RUSSIA, voter suppression in key states by ehrnst Mar 2019 #24
One has to take in ALL what happened Cha Mar 2019 #30
Absoltuely. still_one Mar 2019 #33
Mayor Pete said what needed to be said. democrank Mar 2019 #5
Iowa Republicans should have taken him out grantcart Mar 2019 #6
On the nail. zentrum Mar 2019 #7
He's right. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #8
+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #28
+1 Kurt V. Mar 2019 #38
What are "neoliberal economics"? George II Mar 2019 #42
IKR? ehrnst Mar 2019 #44
I've never heard anyone really define "neoliberal" -at least anyone who whips it out here ehrnst Mar 2019 #43
Why blame Republicans for their policies that wreck the country when you can blame Teh Liberals. betsuni Mar 2019 #47
I like this guy, very much. Not sure that at this time he's presidential material, but... George II Mar 2019 #9
Indiana is Democratic Party wasteland now... Moostache Mar 2019 #12
Gerrymandering won't affect Senate races or Governor's races NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #17
Well, once the electorate went insane in 2016 and elected a totally unqualified buffoon... Moostache Mar 2019 #35
I definitely agree NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #45
Democrats have no voice in Indiana or in national politics. LenaBaby61 Mar 2019 #51
You have decided on Beto, who does not have significantly more experience karynnj Mar 2019 #15
Not 'at least as much' but MUCH more, EXECUTIVE experience elleng Mar 2019 #49
I ccomplete agree karynnj Mar 2019 #56
I like that expression! Ilsa Mar 2019 #10
I blame Fux Ruse...so how are we going to eleminate their influence BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #11
I'm still tripping on how to pronounce his name, but I like him more PatrickforO Mar 2019 #13
I'm going with Boot(ih)-jedge colorado_ufo Mar 2019 #19
I think that's the correct pronunciation. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #26
I agree. Obama wasn't dripping with experience either, but he sure was ready, PatrickforO Mar 2019 #37
Hello fellow Coloradan. PatrickforO Mar 2019 #36
His campaign should have ended when he mocked that disabled reporter. BlueStater Mar 2019 #14
Trump should not have survived NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #18
Someone worse than tRUMP? Is that possible? SammyWinstonJack Mar 2019 #16
Yes NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #20
Well, there's always David Duke. colorado_ufo Mar 2019 #21
I can think of one. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #23
Yes, and they are wrecking balls of history. marylandblue Mar 2019 #29
Easily. BlueStater Mar 2019 #34
An American Putin nt crazytown Mar 2019 #52
So what are the causes/conditions mayor Pete is talking about? at140 Mar 2019 #27
Damn straight Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #31
I sure am glad it had nothing to do with Comey violating the Hatch Act by sending a letter to the still_one Mar 2019 #32
Mahalo, stillone, for Shining the Light Cha Mar 2019 #39
Thanks Cha. still_one Mar 2019 #41
I think Buttigieg is raising an important issue crazytown Mar 2019 #48
Good post and good responses. I like Mayor Pete more and more. And thanks to colorado ufo c-rational Mar 2019 #40
What are the kinds of conditions that made Trump possible? betsuni Mar 2019 #50
Right on target. shanny Mar 2019 #54
There was a whole Hellava lot Cha Mar 2019 #55
 

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
1. Yes Mayor Pete is correct
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:25 PM
Mar 2019
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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
46. He's correct, but
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

Nobody likes a Monday Morning Quarterback and we've already had God knows how many of them since that election night...

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
53. Actually, I'd say large numbers of us have had our fingers in our ears
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:08 PM
Mar 2019

while yelling Bernie Stein Sarandon Russia Russia Russia!

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doompatrol39

(428 posts)
2. 100% right and I give him credit for saying this...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:30 PM
Mar 2019

..I know we're not supposed to say it, but there's no way things should have been as close as they were in 2016.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Another reason to like Mayor Pete.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:32 PM
Mar 2019

Good soundbite without actually accusing him of anything. Acts perfectly nice until he slips you the stiletto.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
4. There shouldn't have been so many Damn LIES about Hillary..
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:37 PM
Mar 2019

Pay Attention to that, too.





The Hatemongering really worked.


Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters weren’t big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters — even if Sanders voters didn’t vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. I Am Totally There With You On This, Hoa
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:32 PM
Mar 2019

Something Dems need to do is open their eyes and recognize the extent the Cons and their allies will go to win an election. THe 2000 election didn't do it, will the 2016? Also, never again accept the beating up of our nominee by anyone. Sarandon, Nina, Stein and all the rest needed to be stopped and we didn't do enough. I don't know what we could've done about Cambridge Analytica and the Russians but we better be prepared this time around. And that goes for anyone inside the tent! Things have gotten to crisis point and it can no longer be the same old same old.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
25. Exactly, Me. All of This needs paying attention
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:59 PM
Mar 2019

to, also!

The Lies about Hillary by Stein and those who supported her very much contributed to the loss we suffered.

I hope they're satisfied with trump's appointments to SCOTUS and assisting in getting a freaking Climate Change Denier in the WH, who incites White Nationalists to KILL.

And, all the babies and kids who were kidnapped and torn from their parents.. they also had a hand in that. All because stein Lies about Hillary.. and stein and sarand0n feel no remorse. That's sociopathic.

Mahalo, Hoa!

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. Yeah, ignoring the misogyny on the right and left, RUSSIA, voter suppression in key states by
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:57 PM
Mar 2019

the GOP, the statistical unlikely keeping of the WH after two consecutive terms, and the fact that she STILL got more votes than any POTUS candidate not named Obama is SO appealing in a Democratic candidate, isn't it?

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
30. One has to take in ALL what happened
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:12 PM
Mar 2019

in the 2016 "rigging" in of trump, ehrnst.

Not to mention the Negativity for the Democratic Candidate by the M$M.. the 24/7 brainwashing on Hillary's emails.. and the normalizing of the fucking Idiot.

That should Count for contributing to the loss, no?

Mahalo

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democrank

(11,052 posts)
5. Mayor Pete said what needed to be said.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:46 PM
Mar 2019

We can point to 10,000 scapegoats, but the fact is that some set of conditions allowed a disgrace like Donald Trump get as far as he did.....in the Republican debates, on television, in the newspapers.

Mayor Pete said Trump is a symptom. He is. We can play the blame game or we can dig really, really deeply and ask ourselves some probing questions.

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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. Iowa Republicans should have taken him out
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:47 PM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,271 posts)
8. He's right.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 04:33 PM
Mar 2019

Trumpism and global trumpism is a symptom not a cause.

40 years of neoliberal economics coming home to roost

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George II

(67,782 posts)
42. What are "neoliberal economics"?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:55 PM
Mar 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. IKR?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:04 PM
Mar 2019

I doubt any clarification will be forthcoming - perhaps a link to a general dictionary term, but nothing specific to the person using the term like a baseball bat on Democrats in general "for the last 40 years."

Especially Democrats who are actually effective at getting progressive policies into existence beyond a rant, a meme or tweetsorm.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. I've never heard anyone really define "neoliberal" -at least anyone who whips it out here
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:58 PM
Mar 2019

However, most often it seems perjoratively applied, vaguely, to "Democrats who don't validate one's current mood."

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betsuni

(25,122 posts)
47. Why blame Republicans for their policies that wreck the country when you can blame Teh Liberals.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:38 PM
Mar 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. I like this guy, very much. Not sure that at this time he's presidential material, but...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 04:34 PM
Mar 2019

....he's going places in the future. He's got his head screwed on right.

Perhaps he can run for Senate in Indiana, that would be great and I suspect he'd be a shoo-in. We'll be hearing a lot of him in the future.

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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. Indiana is Democratic Party wasteland now...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:02 PM
Mar 2019

That state is derisively referred to by my father as "Indianastan" after the mess Pence made of it and the gerrymandering that has all but assured the Democrats have no voice in Indiana or in national politics.

A lot of people want to push Pete to the side and use the "experience" (go be Senator or Governor or Representative before Presidential run) as a negative for his candidacy. In my eyes, it makes him MORE appealing to a lot of people because they STILL want change, but they are not getting the benefits they thought voting for Trump would bring them. The system is rigged but not against the 0.1% who are taking the lion's share of the profits and the social justice for themselves and less for everyone else.

I hope that he shines on the debate stage as well as he has in interviews and appearances online and at rallies. This guy is the anti-Trump and a VERY talented politician with a real chance IMO...

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NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
17. Gerrymandering won't affect Senate races or Governor's races
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:25 PM
Mar 2019

I like him as well, but has anybody gone from Mayor to President before?

Sarah Palin was mayor then governor.

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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
35. Well, once the electorate went insane in 2016 and elected a totally unqualified buffoon...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:38 PM
Mar 2019

All bets are off as far as historical context or readiness for the Presidency...put another way, just on general temperament and intellectual curiosity and empathy, there is simply no way Pete (or ANY of our current slate of candidates) could be worse than status quo...

I do not believe any mayor has ever become President before...but like I said, 2016 erased the board of all prerequisites aside from the Constitutionally mandated citizenship and age requirements.

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NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
45. I definitely agree
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:53 PM
Mar 2019

If Mayor Pete wins the nomination, I'll be happy to donate to him, campaign for him and vote for him. He's got a very bright future in front of him., be it President, VP or a cabinet secretary role in 2021.



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LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
51. Democrats have no voice in Indiana or in national politics.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:46 PM
Mar 2019

That's exactly what a friend who USED to live there told me two years ago.

He said the state of Indiana is almost as red as California is blue. In California thuglicans have almost NO say in California politics here. In fact, Orange County is no longer RED. It's now blue thanks to the mid-term election wave of 2018

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karynnj

(59,474 posts)
15. You have decided on Beto, who does not have significantly more experience
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:15 PM
Mar 2019

Being a mayor counts at least as much as being in the House of Representatives. In addition, with Mayor Pete you need to count his service in military intelligence.

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elleng

(130,126 posts)
49. Not 'at least as much' but MUCH more, EXECUTIVE experience
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:30 PM
Mar 2019

differs completely, and is much more relevant, imo.

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karynnj

(59,474 posts)
56. I ccomplete agree
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:23 AM
Mar 2019

I had not intended to understate Mayor Pete's accomplishments. He is incredibly impressive the more I hear him or learn of things he has done.

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Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
10. I like that expression!
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 04:45 PM
Mar 2019

Mayor Pete understands the ethical and political regression of the electorate.

I wish having a felony record was disqualifying, not just with voters, but technically. That might prevent trump junior and Jarvanka from running.

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BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
11. I blame Fux Ruse...so how are we going to eleminate their influence
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:01 PM
Mar 2019

before 2020?

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PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
13. I'm still tripping on how to pronounce his name, but I like him more
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:04 PM
Mar 2019

every time I read something he says or some accomplishment he's done.

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colorado_ufo

(5,715 posts)
19. I'm going with Boot(ih)-jedge
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:29 PM
Mar 2019

Hope that's close enough!

I really like Beto, but Mayor Pete has blown me away with his intellect and good judgment from the first time I heard him say anything to everything since that time. He has brains and guts.

I really like Beto, but I think Mayor Pete has an edge. I would like to see Beto in the VP position to go give 16 years of Democrats in the WH. Their youth is an asset in this case, when we are talking "long term."

We have a selection of wonderful candidates. Being in Colorado, I know for certain that Hickenlooper would make a terrific president and get the job done. Kamala Harris has a very commanding presence. Elizabeth Warren would give us the best economy we have ever had. Inslee might rescue the world, through his environmental focus. But for a balance of domestic and foreign expertise, I would go with multilingual, highly sharp, Mayor Pete, with Beto to reinforce his charisma and win people over. They both remind me of young Jack Kennedy.

And what a selection of giants they would have for a cabinet! Hickenlooper for a Secretary of State who could make history - in a GOOD way!

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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
26. I think that's the correct pronunciation.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:02 PM
Mar 2019

He's really growing on me too. The more I hear from him the more I like him. The only downside is the fact that he is only a Mayor, but hell, if someone like Trump can get elected, I can't really rule him out just because of that.

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PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
37. I agree. Obama wasn't dripping with experience either, but he sure was ready,
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:52 PM
Mar 2019

and when elected he hit the ground running.

Sigh. Sure wish he was still president.

Well, one thing's sure. Our party will pick a candidate after primary season to run against Trump, and we've got to win it.

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PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
36. Hello fellow Coloradan.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:47 PM
Mar 2019

I definitely agree about Warren. She's who I'm supporting at the moment, though I hope it turns out she stays in the Senate. She has, I think, taken over from Teddy as the Lion of the Senate. Her Accountable Capitalism Act that she introduced in August 2018 proves to all of us that she 'gets' how a market economy works, and how a strong government must regulate the excesses of the market. Absolutely brilliant!

I think Harris is good, but seems weak on monetary and fiscal policy. Hopefully, her advisors will work with her on that one issue - otherwise very strong.

I'm not convinced Hick has a real good chance in this field. Your post implies he may be in the race for a good cabinet level position, and I think you might be right. I kind of soured on Hickenlooper during the days around 2011 and 2012 when big oil came in to 'play' the Niobrara shale in Weld, and south through Adams and eastern Arapahoe counties. There was a big fight about local regulations, and the state was sending us cease and desist orders saying that local governments had no business imposing any more regulations, and the state had us covered.

That wasn't true, though. El Paso and Douglas counties declared a moratorium on fracking, and Nancy Jackson, Dist. 4 Commissioner of Arapahoe forced any of the new drilling operations on wells on the Arapahoe side of I-70 moving east from Watkins to be 'closed loop' systems, which are incrementally better for the environment than wells with giant runoff pits.

In the meantime, Hick pulled a stunt that lost me. He went up to a podium one day and drank a glass of what he claimed was fracking fluid. And you know what? If he wanted us to believe that then he should have had a camera crew accompany him to a recently-fracked site so he could slurp up some of the backwash. Because that stuff is like battery acid.

That said, water has been a big issue around the Niobrara 'play,' too. It takes around 5 million gallons of water to frack one well one time, and each well may need to be fracked several times during its lifetime. So, where are we getting that water? Will there be enough for agriculture, other businesses (light manufacturing, especially, uses quite a bit of water), and residential areas in the face of the increased demand on a finite supply made by the oil companies?

I don't know about Beto. He does remind one of a young Jack Kennedy, though. Or maybe Bobby. He has had some erratic behavior recently, so we'll see how that goes, moving forward. I will get around to Buttigeig fairly soon. Your pronunciation sounds as good as any. I do like the guy. I like Polis too. I think he'll be a good governor. He certainly had the right moves on cabinet positions. No lightweights there.

By the way, a last word: if you google Colorado Pols and go into the Big Line, you'll see:

PRESIDENT (To Win Colorado)
-(D) Any Democrat With a Pulse (60%)? Democrats trounced Republicans in Colorado in 2018. This is a “blue state” now.
-(R) Donald Trump* (40%)? President Trump wasn’t even on the ballot in Colorado in 2018, and look what happened.

As to Cory Gardner, we HAVE to make sure he loses. He's up for reelection in 2020, you know, and Andrew Romanoff has entered the race against him. He's slightly ahead of Mike Johnston, also in the race. Apparently Joe Neguse is thinking about it, as well. He could win. Any of them could, although sometimes our state people don't campaign all that effectively.

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BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
14. His campaign should have ended when he mocked that disabled reporter.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:07 PM
Mar 2019

When he survived that, I knew the country I lived in was gone forever.

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NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
18. Trump should not have survived
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mar 2019

his opening announcement when he said that Mexico was sending rapists and criminals to the US

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SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
16. Someone worse than tRUMP? Is that possible?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Mar 2019
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NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
20. Yes
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:29 PM
Mar 2019

Imagine if Trump was actually competent how much more damage could have been done? I bet a smart and competent Republican president could have managed repeal & replace of the ACA and maybe shepherded more legislation through Congress the first two years instead of just a bunch of executive orders that can be nullified with the next Democratic president.

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colorado_ufo

(5,715 posts)
21. Well, there's always David Duke.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:31 PM
Mar 2019

Or Erik Prince.

Or Princess Ivanka.

Or Robert Stone, after he's received his Presidential Pardon.

We could go on.

But dear God, who would want to?

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
29. Yes, and they are wrecking balls of history.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:09 PM
Mar 2019

The Mussolinis, the Lenins, and the Putins.

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BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
34. Easily.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:37 PM
Mar 2019

As terrifying a thought as that is.

Imagine someone with Trump's personality but they actually possess a brain. This nightmare will not end when Trump is out of the picture. You can bet that there's quite a few opportunistic, ruthless people out there who are using Trump's successful presidential campaign as an influence for their own path to power. That orange asshole completely obliterated all political norms in this country. Things will never be the same again.

I fear we could be in for some dark times ahead.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
52. An American Putin nt
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:56 PM
Mar 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
27. So what are the causes/conditions mayor Pete is talking about?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:04 PM
Mar 2019

Unless we address those issues, Trump could win again in 2020.

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Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
31. Damn straight
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:17 PM
Mar 2019


And that my friend is someone who can see beyond the surface.
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still_one

(91,937 posts)
32. I sure am glad it had nothing to do with Comey violating the Hatch Act by sending a letter to the
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:28 PM
Mar 2019

republicans in Congress 11 days before the election, and the media falsely reporting that the email investigation was reopened which was a LIE. Before that happened the Democratic nominee was ahead in all the polls by 4-5 points, and almost immediately after that event, the polls dropped to even.

Of course there was other contributing factors also, such as those self-identifying progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee because they believed the nonesense that there was no difference between the republicans and Democrats even though they knew the SC was at stake


add to that the Russian interference, hacking, Cambridge Analytical etc. and we have a perfect storm.

While I agree with Buttigieg's assessment that it would be a mistake to think any investigation of trump will bring his downfall, I think it is typical Monday morning quarterbacking to assume the issues I named above could have been predicted.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
39. Mahalo, stillone, for Shining the Light
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:56 PM
Mar 2019

on the pervasive propaganda against our Democratic nominee.

The US "media" 24/7 brainwashing and pounding on Hilary's emails(are they doing that with the trumptoads?).. and normalizing trump was a huge contributor to votes going to trump.

It was "the perfect storm".. and we Democrats have to consider it all.. not blame it on ".. the neoliberals.." That's lazy talk.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
48. I think Buttigieg is raising an important issue
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:49 PM
Mar 2019

we tend to forget when focussing on the relentless efforts to cripple HRC candidacy throughout 2016:-

In a functioning democracy Trump wouldn’t have got anywhere the Whitehouse. How many times did we think - that’s the end oh that - only to see him carry on. A party of any integrity would never have had him as their nominee. The media, the political class, business, the whole lot of them knew he was unfit ... and so did people who voted for him.

That’s what I read into Pete saying we have to look at the “conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place”

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c-rational

(2,581 posts)
40. Good post and good responses. I like Mayor Pete more and more. And thanks to colorado ufo
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:58 PM
Mar 2019

for help with the pronunciation of his name Boot(ih)-jedge.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
50. What are the kinds of conditions that made Trump possible?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:33 PM
Mar 2019

Does he say?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
54. Right on target.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:13 PM
Mar 2019

Thank you Mayor Pete! (boot-eh-jedge) (I think that's right: I've been practicing--I think we're gonna need to know)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
55. There was a whole Hellava lot
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:12 AM
Mar 2019

of "cheating" going on.. and 3rd party Lies telling "..Hillary was more dangerous than trump.."

I say pay Attention to the "conditions" that led to that, too.





The Hatemongering really worked.


Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters weren’t big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters — even if Sanders voters didn’t vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/
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