Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumPete Buttigieg: Trump Should Have Never Come 'Within Cheating Distance' Of 2016 Election
'The 2020 presidential hopeful is concerned about more than just the possibility of Trumps re-election.
South Bend, Indiana mayor and 2020 presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg is cautioning Democrats against thinking an investigation will upend President Donald Trumps administration.
Instead, hes warning his fellow party members to recognize how they arrived at this point in the first place.
Reacting on MSNBC Sunday to Attorney General William Barrs summary of special counsel Robert Muellers Russia probe report, Buttigieg warned Democrats that weve got to be paying attention to the kinds of conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place.
I would argue a figure like this president should never have been able to come within cheating distance of the Oval Office, and I fear that if were not paying attention to the causes that hes a symptom of, then not only is it possible for him to succeed in 2020, but we could also find ourselves with another figure like him or even worse in the future, he said.'
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-donald-trump-mueller-report_n_5c980fa6e4b0a6329e18327b?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Nobody likes a Monday Morning Quarterback and we've already had God knows how many of them since that election night...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)while yelling Bernie Stein Sarandon Russia Russia Russia!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
doompatrol39
(428 posts)..I know we're not supposed to say it, but there's no way things should have been as close as they were in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Good soundbite without actually accusing him of anything. Acts perfectly nice until he slips you the stiletto.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)Pay Attention to that, too.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
The Hatemongering really worked.
Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters werent big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters even if Sanders voters didnt vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Something Dems need to do is open their eyes and recognize the extent the Cons and their allies will go to win an election. THe 2000 election didn't do it, will the 2016? Also, never again accept the beating up of our nominee by anyone. Sarandon, Nina, Stein and all the rest needed to be stopped and we didn't do enough. I don't know what we could've done about Cambridge Analytica and the Russians but we better be prepared this time around. And that goes for anyone inside the tent! Things have gotten to crisis point and it can no longer be the same old same old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)to, also!
The Lies about Hillary by Stein and those who supported her very much contributed to the loss we suffered.
I hope they're satisfied with trump's appointments to SCOTUS and assisting in getting a freaking Climate Change Denier in the WH, who incites White Nationalists to KILL.
And, all the babies and kids who were kidnapped and torn from their parents.. they also had a hand in that. All because stein Lies about Hillary.. and stein and sarand0n feel no remorse. That's sociopathic.
Mahalo, Hoa!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the GOP, the statistical unlikely keeping of the WH after two consecutive terms, and the fact that she STILL got more votes than any POTUS candidate not named Obama is SO appealing in a Democratic candidate, isn't it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)in the 2016 "rigging" in of trump, ehrnst.
Not to mention the Negativity for the Democratic Candidate by the M$M.. the 24/7 brainwashing on Hillary's emails.. and the normalizing of the fucking Idiot.
That should Count for contributing to the loss, no?
Mahalo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrank
(11,052 posts)We can point to 10,000 scapegoats, but the fact is that some set of conditions allowed a disgrace like Donald Trump get as far as he did.....in the Republican debates, on television, in the newspapers.
Mayor Pete said Trump is a symptom. He is. We can play the blame game or we can dig really, really deeply and ask ourselves some probing questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zentrum
(9,865 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)Trumpism and global trumpism is a symptom not a cause.
40 years of neoliberal economics coming home to roost
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Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I doubt any clarification will be forthcoming - perhaps a link to a general dictionary term, but nothing specific to the person using the term like a baseball bat on Democrats in general "for the last 40 years."
Especially Democrats who are actually effective at getting progressive policies into existence beyond a rant, a meme or tweetsorm.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)However, most often it seems perjoratively applied, vaguely, to "Democrats who don't validate one's current mood."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,122 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....he's going places in the future. He's got his head screwed on right.
Perhaps he can run for Senate in Indiana, that would be great and I suspect he'd be a shoo-in. We'll be hearing a lot of him in the future.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moostache
(9,895 posts)That state is derisively referred to by my father as "Indianastan" after the mess Pence made of it and the gerrymandering that has all but assured the Democrats have no voice in Indiana or in national politics.
A lot of people want to push Pete to the side and use the "experience" (go be Senator or Governor or Representative before Presidential run) as a negative for his candidacy. In my eyes, it makes him MORE appealing to a lot of people because they STILL want change, but they are not getting the benefits they thought voting for Trump would bring them. The system is rigged but not against the 0.1% who are taking the lion's share of the profits and the social justice for themselves and less for everyone else.
I hope that he shines on the debate stage as well as he has in interviews and appearances online and at rallies. This guy is the anti-Trump and a VERY talented politician with a real chance IMO...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)I like him as well, but has anybody gone from Mayor to President before?
Sarah Palin was mayor then governor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Moostache
(9,895 posts)All bets are off as far as historical context or readiness for the Presidency...put another way, just on general temperament and intellectual curiosity and empathy, there is simply no way Pete (or ANY of our current slate of candidates) could be worse than status quo...
I do not believe any mayor has ever become President before...but like I said, 2016 erased the board of all prerequisites aside from the Constitutionally mandated citizenship and age requirements.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)If Mayor Pete wins the nomination, I'll be happy to donate to him, campaign for him and vote for him. He's got a very bright future in front of him., be it President, VP or a cabinet secretary role in 2021.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)That's exactly what a friend who USED to live there told me two years ago.
He said the state of Indiana is almost as red as California is blue. In California thuglicans have almost NO say in California politics here. In fact, Orange County is no longer RED. It's now blue thanks to the mid-term election wave of 2018
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karynnj
(59,474 posts)Being a mayor counts at least as much as being in the House of Representatives. In addition, with Mayor Pete you need to count his service in military intelligence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,126 posts)differs completely, and is much more relevant, imo.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
karynnj
(59,474 posts)I had not intended to understate Mayor Pete's accomplishments. He is incredibly impressive the more I hear him or learn of things he has done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Mayor Pete understands the ethical and political regression of the electorate.
I wish having a felony record was disqualifying, not just with voters, but technically. That might prevent trump junior and Jarvanka from running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)before 2020?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)every time I read something he says or some accomplishment he's done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colorado_ufo
(5,715 posts)Hope that's close enough!
I really like Beto, but Mayor Pete has blown me away with his intellect and good judgment from the first time I heard him say anything to everything since that time. He has brains and guts.
I really like Beto, but I think Mayor Pete has an edge. I would like to see Beto in the VP position to go give 16 years of Democrats in the WH. Their youth is an asset in this case, when we are talking "long term."
We have a selection of wonderful candidates. Being in Colorado, I know for certain that Hickenlooper would make a terrific president and get the job done. Kamala Harris has a very commanding presence. Elizabeth Warren would give us the best economy we have ever had. Inslee might rescue the world, through his environmental focus. But for a balance of domestic and foreign expertise, I would go with multilingual, highly sharp, Mayor Pete, with Beto to reinforce his charisma and win people over. They both remind me of young Jack Kennedy.
And what a selection of giants they would have for a cabinet! Hickenlooper for a Secretary of State who could make history - in a GOOD way!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He's really growing on me too. The more I hear from him the more I like him. The only downside is the fact that he is only a Mayor, but hell, if someone like Trump can get elected, I can't really rule him out just because of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)and when elected he hit the ground running.
Sigh. Sure wish he was still president.
Well, one thing's sure. Our party will pick a candidate after primary season to run against Trump, and we've got to win it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)I definitely agree about Warren. She's who I'm supporting at the moment, though I hope it turns out she stays in the Senate. She has, I think, taken over from Teddy as the Lion of the Senate. Her Accountable Capitalism Act that she introduced in August 2018 proves to all of us that she 'gets' how a market economy works, and how a strong government must regulate the excesses of the market. Absolutely brilliant!
I think Harris is good, but seems weak on monetary and fiscal policy. Hopefully, her advisors will work with her on that one issue - otherwise very strong.
I'm not convinced Hick has a real good chance in this field. Your post implies he may be in the race for a good cabinet level position, and I think you might be right. I kind of soured on Hickenlooper during the days around 2011 and 2012 when big oil came in to 'play' the Niobrara shale in Weld, and south through Adams and eastern Arapahoe counties. There was a big fight about local regulations, and the state was sending us cease and desist orders saying that local governments had no business imposing any more regulations, and the state had us covered.
That wasn't true, though. El Paso and Douglas counties declared a moratorium on fracking, and Nancy Jackson, Dist. 4 Commissioner of Arapahoe forced any of the new drilling operations on wells on the Arapahoe side of I-70 moving east from Watkins to be 'closed loop' systems, which are incrementally better for the environment than wells with giant runoff pits.
In the meantime, Hick pulled a stunt that lost me. He went up to a podium one day and drank a glass of what he claimed was fracking fluid. And you know what? If he wanted us to believe that then he should have had a camera crew accompany him to a recently-fracked site so he could slurp up some of the backwash. Because that stuff is like battery acid.
That said, water has been a big issue around the Niobrara 'play,' too. It takes around 5 million gallons of water to frack one well one time, and each well may need to be fracked several times during its lifetime. So, where are we getting that water? Will there be enough for agriculture, other businesses (light manufacturing, especially, uses quite a bit of water), and residential areas in the face of the increased demand on a finite supply made by the oil companies?
I don't know about Beto. He does remind one of a young Jack Kennedy, though. Or maybe Bobby. He has had some erratic behavior recently, so we'll see how that goes, moving forward. I will get around to Buttigeig fairly soon. Your pronunciation sounds as good as any. I do like the guy. I like Polis too. I think he'll be a good governor. He certainly had the right moves on cabinet positions. No lightweights there.
By the way, a last word: if you google Colorado Pols and go into the Big Line, you'll see:
PRESIDENT (To Win Colorado)
-(D) Any Democrat With a Pulse (60%)? Democrats trounced Republicans in Colorado in 2018. This is a blue state now.
-(R) Donald Trump* (40%)? President Trump wasnt even on the ballot in Colorado in 2018, and look what happened.
As to Cory Gardner, we HAVE to make sure he loses. He's up for reelection in 2020, you know, and Andrew Romanoff has entered the race against him. He's slightly ahead of Mike Johnston, also in the race. Apparently Joe Neguse is thinking about it, as well. He could win. Any of them could, although sometimes our state people don't campaign all that effectively.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)When he survived that, I knew the country I lived in was gone forever.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)his opening announcement when he said that Mexico was sending rapists and criminals to the US
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)Imagine if Trump was actually competent how much more damage could have been done? I bet a smart and competent Republican president could have managed repeal & replace of the ACA and maybe shepherded more legislation through Congress the first two years instead of just a bunch of executive orders that can be nullified with the next Democratic president.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
colorado_ufo
(5,715 posts)Or Erik Prince.
Or Princess Ivanka.
Or Robert Stone, after he's received his Presidential Pardon.
We could go on.
But dear God, who would want to?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)The Mussolinis, the Lenins, and the Putins.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)As terrifying a thought as that is.
Imagine someone with Trump's personality but they actually possess a brain. This nightmare will not end when Trump is out of the picture. You can bet that there's quite a few opportunistic, ruthless people out there who are using Trump's successful presidential campaign as an influence for their own path to power. That orange asshole completely obliterated all political norms in this country. Things will never be the same again.
I fear we could be in for some dark times ahead.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)Unless we address those issues, Trump could win again in 2020.
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Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)And that my friend is someone who can see beyond the surface.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)republicans in Congress 11 days before the election, and the media falsely reporting that the email investigation was reopened which was a LIE. Before that happened the Democratic nominee was ahead in all the polls by 4-5 points, and almost immediately after that event, the polls dropped to even.
Of course there was other contributing factors also, such as those self-identifying progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee because they believed the nonesense that there was no difference between the republicans and Democrats even though they knew the SC was at stake
add to that the Russian interference, hacking, Cambridge Analytical etc. and we have a perfect storm.
While I agree with Buttigieg's assessment that it would be a mistake to think any investigation of trump will bring his downfall, I think it is typical Monday morning quarterbacking to assume the issues I named above could have been predicted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)on the pervasive propaganda against our Democratic nominee.
The US "media" 24/7 brainwashing and pounding on Hilary's emails(are they doing that with the trumptoads?).. and normalizing trump was a huge contributor to votes going to trump.
It was "the perfect storm".. and we Democrats have to consider it all.. not blame it on ".. the neoliberals.." That's lazy talk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)we tend to forget when focussing on the relentless efforts to cripple HRC candidacy throughout 2016:-
In a functioning democracy Trump wouldnt have got anywhere the Whitehouse. How many times did we think - thats the end oh that - only to see him carry on. A party of any integrity would never have had him as their nominee. The media, the political class, business, the whole lot of them knew he was unfit ... and so did people who voted for him.
Thats what I read into Pete saying we have to look at the conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
c-rational
(2,581 posts)for help with the pronunciation of his name Boot(ih)-jedge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,122 posts)Does he say?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)Thank you Mayor Pete! (boot-eh-jedge) (I think that's right: I've been practicing--I think we're gonna need to know)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)of "cheating" going on.. and 3rd party Lies telling "..Hillary was more dangerous than trump.."
I say pay Attention to the "conditions" that led to that, too.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
The Hatemongering really worked.
Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters werent big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters even if Sanders voters didnt vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden