Now that Bernie is behind

[lynintenn]

It's time to flood the discussion with pro-Bernie posts just like 2016. I just don't get it. Bernie cannot best Donald Trump.

[SterlingPound]

1. I honestly feel anyone can beat donald trump

if the democratic party just gets behind them, United

No matter who it is
#VOTEBLUENOMATTERWHO

[ecstatic]

75. *Assuming a free and fair election, I agree. nt

[LenaBaby61]

76. *Assuming a free and fair election, I agree.*

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[thesquanderer]

2. re: "Bernie cannot best Donald Trump."

Polls say he can... nationally and more importantly in crucial swing states i.e. PA, WI, MI.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. They're confusing Bernie with Biden.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[billpolonsky]

3. Malrkey!

Any Democratic candidate in the race could beat Trump.
It's who has the ideas to move the country into the future that counts

[ritapria]

4. Now that Bernie is behind ?

He's been behind the entire campaign .

[Tiggeroshii]

8. Maybe they mean "slowly inching to the lead"

He has been the one candidate to exemplify this race as a marathon, not a sprint the entire time.

[NurseJackie]

12. Not without the support of AA and POC voters.

It's clear that the AA and POC communities have rejected his message and without their support, it's pure fantasy for the BS campaign to believe that he'll be our party's nominee. BS needs a different approach rather than just "writing off" states like South Carolina and trying to make up the difference in Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire.

I'm sorry to say that aside from the occasional outlier poll or online poll, BS has a ceiling and he appears to have reached it. It's a mistake to focus exclusively on the forward-inching while ignoring the backward-inching. The campaign is stagnant. He probably shouldn't have staffed it with Jill Stein supporters, that sends the wrong message to loyal Democrats.

[Tiggeroshii]

15. 21% is exponentially better than the vast majority of candidates running.

From the Monmouth poll (a+) Among Hispanics, Blacks, Asian, Other:

Biden 32%
Sanders 21%
Warren 11%
Buttigieg 8%
Yang 3%
Bloomberg 3%
Booker 2%
Patrick 0%

Is that why you are voting for him??

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_121019.pdf/

[NurseJackie]

29. But is it enough to win the party's nomination?

21% is exponentially better than the vast majority of candidates running.

That's true. But is it enough to win the party's nomination?

[Tiggeroshii]

30. Is 32%?

Probably not. A lot will change in the near future and we will have to draw conclusions based on more than speculation.

[NurseJackie]

32. Very little speculation is needed...

A lot will change in the near future and we will have to draw conclusions based on more than speculation.

Very little speculation is needed to understand that the BS campaign isn't going to draw support from those currently supporting 2nd tier and also-rans. When those candidates (eventually) drop out, their supporters will largely gravitate to Biden or Warren.

[Tiggeroshii]

34. Again, until it happens...

All speculation

[NurseJackie]

36. The belief that BS can win the party's nomination without the support of AA and POC...

All speculation

The belief that BS can win the party's nomination without the support of AA and POC goes beyond speculation into the realm of fantasy. It's just not going to happen. And we've seen very clearly now that the AA and POC communities simply do not trust Bernie and his message just isn't connecting.

All I'm saying is that the BS campaign has already failed one of the most important challenges.

[Tiggeroshii]

37. 21% is not "no support." And it is a surge from what was before.

To believe his support is equivalent to a polar bear in a blizzard, is void of reality. He has steadily increased his support. Those are just the facts. Where it goes from here is speculation. We will have a conversation next year and I imagine there will be some developments. Anyways, thanks for your steadfast support for Bernie, even though you dont think he will win!

[NurseJackie]

38. "Surge"

And it is a surge

[Tiggeroshii]

45. He has momentum and is going steady.

That's all I know.

[NurseJackie]

48. If only the media wasn't erasing him and if only he had name recognition.

He has momentum and is going steady.

His campaign is stagnant and loyal Democrats aren't embracing someone whose top staffers are Jill Stein supporters and Jill Stein voters. That sends the wrong message.

The campaign is continuing to have a negative effect on his health and if he's had to "cut back" on the campaigning because of his cardiologist's orders, well, that's an option for him... but once someone is elected to be the president, he (or she) can "cut back" on being the president.

It's a high-stress job that takes a lot out of a person. If a candidate can't "survive" the campaign without being told to cut-back, then there's no way that he (or she) would do well in the office.

All I'm saying is that the American voters know this and aren't persuaded by some staged photos of playing basketball. The heart attack (and the fainting/falling spell from earlier) are serious and it frightens voters who know that we need a president with a strong and healthy heart and who can withstand and endure the rigors (both mental and physical) that the office requires.

[Tiggeroshii]

50. We will see. He is the second place candidate right now, and has a good shot at winning ia and nh

So far there hasn't been a candidate who won both and didn't win the nomination. But obviously that can change.

[George II]

42. According to RCP Average, the last time he was at 21% was back on Apr. 29. Two weeks ago....

....he was at 19.5 (highest since April), and is now at 17.3.

[Tiggeroshii]

44. Among non whites?

Can you link me?

I have linked the Monmouth A+ in a post above with 21%.

[George II]

46. Overall.

[Tiggeroshii]

47. Oh. Yeah I believe that.

I was only referring to non whites, where he is criticized for lacking support in.

[Tiggeroshii]

20. We are seeing growth of support from openly anti sanders supporters.

Interesting, right?

[LanternWaste]

22. Almost as interesting as a "surge" magically becomes "slowly inching"

[Tiggeroshii]

24. No. We are talking body snatcher status here. Nothing is

More interesting than that!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Tells you Bernie is moving up & will soon be ahead! There's a reason he's treated like a rock star!

Because he IS one!!




Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[revmclaren]

77. Sorry, I'm a supporter of my candidate

as are most Democrats.

Rock stars have 'Fans'.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Tipperary]

85. Yeah. I never get this "rockstar" stuff.

I have never swooned over any candidate ever. I find it odd that anyone would.

[revmclaren]

87. Yup. n/t

[Me.]

28. And....

A certain type of woman

[KPN]

54. Lol. Your preference is Bernie?

Mmmhmmmm. Good one.

[NurseJackie]

65. I haven't publicly questioned your preference.

I haven't publicly questioned your preference or non-preference. I don't know of any good reason that anyone deserves to publicly question mine. What good purpose does it serve for anyone to do so?

[KPN]

72. You have publicly questioned mine -- in the past.

Let me put it this way, you questioned my judgement in supporting Sanders.

[NurseJackie]

73. I've done no such thing.

[KPN]

74. Another good one.

[Polybius]

84. It says your preferred candidate is Bernie

Did you accidentally pick the wrong one?

[LanternWaste]

21. Horizontal movements do not assist forward progress.

Yet oddly, just last week we were hearing "surging" used pretty consistently as to this horizontal momentum.

Did the talking points go out to change that into something more plausible?

[Tiggeroshii]

23. Let's talk in February.

You may absolutely be right.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Bernie knows that steady wins the race!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. And you're sure of that,

how?

[LongtimeAZDem]

10. Imagine wall to wall "deadbeat dad" ads, "the Yankee must die" ads, "I'm a socialist" ads . . .

[comradebillyboy]

17. It amazes me that the deadbeat dad issue isn't a bigger deal. Non-payment of

child support ought to be a disqualifier in my book. Any look at Bernie's life before he got elected mayor of Burlington can't be very flattering at all.

[R B Garr]

88. Exactly, and the irony is that child support was a

consideration in the bankruptcy bill revisions — Deadbeat dad’s trying to ditch child support through bankruptcy. That is a huge disqualifier, especially of someone trying to claim a moral high ground.

[OldRed2450]

35. A man who does not financially support his child is not a feminist.

[lynintenn]

70. Not paying child support is some states is a crime

In Florida, you get your DL suspended and possible jail time. Sounds silly I know but it happened to someone I know.

[getagrip_already]

6. there is some truth to that

Sorry. imho of course. He has NEVER faced the buzzsaw the other candidates have been subjected to, so the polls are meaningless.

He IS putins favorite candidate though now that tulsi is nowhere. He was putins dem candidate in 16 also.

That's because putin knows he can be defeated.

I'll stick with candidates who can win.

[Tiggeroshii]

7. "Now that he's behind"

Now, he has been behind for nearly the entirety of the race thus far. But his national and early state polling is showing that to be less the case as time goes by. Maybe that is what is drawing our enthusiasm?

[Thekaspervote]

11. The numbers don't show him drawing new voters

Link to tweet

[Tiggeroshii]

14. That argument is void of context.

For one, there are a dozen candidates running and he is still near the top. For another, nobody has voted and you cannot draw conclusions before the first primary. Evidence of his support is through record fundraising and volunteer base in key states.

[LanternWaste]

25. Ironic you tell others their arguments are void of context.

Less ironic is that you'll deny that irony.

Ironic, no? Near the top? Nearer to third than first. By far. By all objective measures.

[Tiggeroshii]

26. The irony is the desperation of your responses to my posts

About completely different things. 4 in one minute? Quite impressive.

[vsrazdem]

13. It's obvious you are new to this site. NOW that he is behind. It is now that he is moving up.

[PatSeg]

16. You can't go by post count

The poster has been here since 2004.

[WheelWalker]

31. No, you definitely can't. Lurkers are people, too.

I lurkers.

[PatSeg]

39. Ah yes

I was one once!

[WheelWalker]

40. DU is a gateway drug.

[PatSeg]

41. Yes for some

Excessive use of DU can sometimes lead to Twitter!!!

[WheelWalker]

43. Bwahahaha!

[Cha]

51. Ain't that the truth!

Twitter since 2018

[WheelWalker]

55. For the sole purpose of following our next POTUS

I signed up to Twitter this year. The only person I follow is Joe Biden. He leads and I follow. They go low... I vote Joe.

[Cha]

56. Cool!

WW

[PatSeg]

61. Hah!

You got to use it! That's definitely a keeper. "They go low....I vote Joe."

[Cha]

64. I love it bc you can say what

you want.. that's why I went Twitter.

[PatSeg]

67. That makes sense

though it can also be a downside. Things can get pretty nasty and sometimes even intimidating.

[Cha]

79. I guess.. I just never go

back to look if I got any replies.. I just say what I want and Move ON!

[PatSeg]

83. Okay, there you go!

That's the way to handle Twitter. Its too easy to be baited online. A whole lot of button-pushers out there and its easy to get sucked in.

[PatSeg]

60. That one I resisted

I have a Twitter account primarily so I can see Tweets that people post. I've already seen what happens to people who get too addicted to the Twitterverse! DU did, however, lead me to Facebook or rather people I met here did (you know, enablers, ha, ha), plus my sister. A bunch of us moved over there, some drawn by the "games".

[Cha]

49. LOL.. look at my post count

and you can see it got me..

WheelWalker

[PatSeg]

63. Whoa!

Definitely a die-hard DUer! I took a lot of breaks for awhile, but then along came Trump. I really needed it then.

[Cha]

66. It seems unreal even to me.. I took a 2 year

break in 2010 and 5 months in 2017 bc I needed a break from all things trump. Plus, I moved and my sisters came to visit at 2 different time.. it was an all news Blackout!

[PatSeg]

69. That can be healthy

though I'm often afraid that something really important will happen if I'm not paying attention.

It was easier to take long breaks during the Obama years, as I wasn't afraid he'd alienate all our allies or blow up the world. I knew there was actual competence in the White House, it is such a blurred memory now. I could never have imagined what we are going through today. I thought Bush was as bad as it got! Now I'm afraid to even entertain the thought that it can't get worse than Trump.

[Cha]

78. I went on another board during

the 2 year hiatus.. couldn't handle all the Obama hate.. came back for re-election when I saw on The Obama Diary that DU had changed its rules and we could have groups for members only.

[PatSeg]

82. It certainly has gotten

more civil here than it used to be and a lot less trollish. The members only groups definitely is an improvement.

[Cha]

53. No, it isn't "obvious" because she's not.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Fear the Bern is the only explanation.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lynintenn]

71. Been a member since 2004.

[TwilightZone]

81. The poster has been here 13 years longer than you have.

Not sure if you're aware, since you're relatively new, but you can easily find that information by clicking the username and viewing their profile.

[redstatebluegirl]

19. No he can't, but he can hand the election to him on a silver plate.

Bernie is Trump's preferred candidate. I will vote for the candidate of my party, I am just hopeful it is someone who can win.

[guillaumeb]

27. Your ending undercuts your premise.

In spite of that, welcome to DU.

[RandiFan1290]

33. We can't wait to vote for Bernie!

Welcome back to DU!

[Cha]

52. The OP is right!

[onetexan]

68. Bernie who??

Aloha Cha hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

[Cha]

86. lol

Aloha onetexan! I don't know how I missed your post before!

I had a very Peaceful Thanksgiving.. I hope you did, too

[aikoaiko]

90. Poll after poll say you are wrong.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

[Cha]

91. KR!