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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

RandySF

(58,786 posts)
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:28 PM Dec 2019

Sanders: I'm sorry that Hillary CLinton is rerunning 2016.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) dismissed former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s recent suggestion that his decision to not endorse her sooner after the two battled for the Democratic nomination in 2016 ended up hurting her in the general election against Donald Trump.

Trump ended up defeating Clinton in a huge political surprise.

“I’m sorry that Hillary Clinton is rerunning 2016,” Sanders, who is running for president again, said in a recent wide-ranging interview with Iowa Press.

“I could take out a letter from Hillary Clinton saying, ‘Thank you Bernie for working so hard to try and make me the president of the United States,’” Sanders added.

Clinton said last week in an interview with Howard Stern that Sanders could have endorsed her sooner in the 2016 race, adding that “there’s no doubt about it, he hurt me.”

She said she was “disappointed” with Sanders and she hopes “he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination.”

Sanders, however, rejected Clinton’s claims.

“What I tried to do after the primary was to sit down with her staff, and we did, to create a Democratic platform that was as progressive as it could be. And that ended up happening,” Sanders said.

“So I don’t want to rerun 2016,” Sanders continued. “Right now our goal is to defeat Donald Trump. I think I am the strongest candidate to do that. If it turns out I am not the Democratic nominee, I will strongly support anybody else.”



https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/473662-sanders-rejects-clinton-claim-that-delayed-endorsement-hurt-2016-bid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Sanders: I'm sorry that Hillary CLinton is rerunning 2016. (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2019 OP
He still doesn't get it. nt GemDigger Dec 2019 #1
A lifelong dysfunction. According to Sanders, we're also all Hortensis Dec 2019 #100
"I began the race as a 'spoiler.' (Oh, how I love that word, with its implications of the betsuni Dec 2019 #105
God, I forgot that one! From someone who works hard to Hortensis Dec 2019 #112
Exactly, as usual. betsuni Dec 2019 #173
that is why i can't stand him. he wanted to ruin the democrats. trueblue2007 Dec 2019 #142
Holy Shit! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #168
I don't know why everybody doesn't know. betsuni Dec 2019 #174
When they tell you who they are.... sheshe2 Dec 2019 #176
Ha.. look who's talking. Cha Dec 2019 #2
I Hope He Doesn't Do It Again Too Me. Dec 2019 #3
Nina's on his staff now. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #154
don't buy his apology! he's stated publicly if EW got the nom we wasn't sure he'd support her! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #4
"he's stated publicly if EW got the nom we wasn't sure he'd support her!" redqueen Dec 2019 #6
I was curious about that as well. Seems like malarkey. Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #12
Here's the source you asked for!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #24
Taking a bit of poetic license with your interpretation, aren't you? redqueen Dec 2019 #29
Yes, it's a bit of a reach. But Bernie is jumping through loops to avoid committing himself beastie boy Dec 2019 #30
NO! He stated he wasn't sure he would support the nominee if it wasn't him. typical bernie nonsense Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #38
We do NOT need this shit from Sanders again uponit7771 Dec 2019 #99
Is anyone surprised by that strained translation? After all, it's Bernie we're talkin about! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #134
He didn't even believe the primary was rigged in 2016! betsuni Dec 2019 #50
he lied. if this is Bernie, he is a liar :: He didn't even believe the primary was rigged in 2016! trueblue2007 Dec 2019 #143
A process he was quite versed on prior to participating in. He was a superdelegate after all. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #164
Superdelegate v. Superdelegates. Why don't more people even know this fact. betsuni Dec 2019 #185
You know what line of that article jumped out at me? peggysue2 Dec 2019 #189
Same as hedging with "That's what the American people are saying" when asked if he betsuni Dec 2019 #192
Yup, same old, same old peggysue2 Dec 2019 #221
We know bluedovepdx Dec 2019 #11
Yeah, because of Damn LIES from Stein who told Cha Dec 2019 #31
Comey. sprinkleeninow Dec 2019 #54
yes, thank you, sprinkleen.. Comey, too. Cha Dec 2019 #56
Not just Stein... (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #161
Exactly, ehrnst.. Not just stein. Cha Dec 2019 #170
Has She Returned Any Of The Money? Me. Dec 2019 #223
People were asking on her Cha Dec 2019 #233
Well, it's unlikely he'll get the nomination. But if he does, I hope that she ehrnst Dec 2019 #156
lol! Excellent, ehrnst! Cha Dec 2019 #169
BS Polybius Dec 2019 #171
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #5
If you read here book you would know she gives 4 reasons why she lost the EC Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #13
YES, give Hillary credit for takin responsibility for losin EC; blamin Bernie accomplishes nothing InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #118
Nor does giving him credit where it isn't due. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #157
He should talk to his staff. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #7
Bernie is correct. We need to focus on 2020 and beating the GOP across the board and their... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #8
Hillary is correct. Cha Dec 2019 #19
Are you serious? Who is concentrating 2016? George II Dec 2019 #37
Of course Hillary wants us to win in 2020. Even Bernie. Again, let's focus on 2020 and... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #42
Maybe you could talk positively about your own candidate...instead of Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #44
This NYMinute Dec 2019 #62
That'll never happen. Said candidate is mired in the low teens in many polls, redstateblues Dec 2019 #77
Well said!! Hopefully, Hillary will start to speak positively about Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #130
Bernie is due to thank Hillary for inspiring so many to run for office ehrnst Dec 2019 #160
Answering a question is 'being distracted' by a question? ehrnst Dec 2019 #158
Of course Bernie is correct... about so many things, which is why he has the best chance to InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #119
So why do you think is he's repeating a talking point that the GOP is pushing? ehrnst Dec 2019 #150
Yet here's what his communications director said Somos Dec 2019 #9
Welcome to DU ...your post is spot on!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #15
and stuff like that is why bernie doesnt have my support this election cycle SterlingPound Dec 2019 #16
Bingo!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #18
I hope Bribri isn't under the delusion that the Cha Dec 2019 #34
More from: Lessons for 2020 Democratic Presidential Candidates, From a Soon-to-Be First-Time Voter JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #43
Now if they voted wouldn't that just be great!! Instead of just writing "nice"articles Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #45
It's so great an article I just posted more about it again in my own OP. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #47
So. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #74
does seem a little strained and convoluted doesn't it? stopdiggin Dec 2019 #82
Yep. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #146
The poor child sounds like a propaganda victim. lapucelle Dec 2019 #177
That has not one thing to do with bri's divisive, disingenuous Cha Dec 2019 #211
The poor child sounds like a propaganda victim. lapucelle Dec 2019 #208
Definitely.. it's a pity really. Cha Dec 2019 #209
Good god! Yeah, right.. I don't think so, bribri Cha Dec 2019 #21
"Him. Not us." W_HAMILTON Dec 2019 #27
One person wasn't evil. What's happened since that day is. Cha Dec 2019 #53
There are no "lessons" there. betsuni Dec 2019 #58
Yeah, she so damn proud. Cha Dec 2019 #64
You hit the nail right on the head nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #65
Yes, his POTUS staffing choices turn out to be quite interesting to say the least. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #163
That's pretty recent, too. RandySF Dec 2019 #186
Whyyyyyyyy redqueen Dec 2019 #10
Bernie has a point. Let's not rehash 2016. It's actually a forum rule here too. Joe941 Dec 2019 #14
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+++ sheshe2 Dec 2019 #25
I think it is reasonably to note that Bernie remained in the race long after the voting was over StevieM Dec 2019 #20
Talk to BS about that. Cha Dec 2019 #23
WHAT'S HIS POINT? George II Dec 2019 #35
The issue is about 2020 in which Bernie is running treestar Dec 2019 #109
Agree completely. djg21 Dec 2019 #215
Yup, GMAFB!! Bernie has moved on and is uniting voters. Those who seek to divide us are InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #120
"Uniting voters." ehrnst Dec 2019 #153
So is not repeating RW talking points. ehrnst Dec 2019 #152
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #162
We have been told non-stop for the last three years that HRC didn't run on a progressive platform. StevieM Dec 2019 #22
Gues it depends on how you look at it booley Dec 2019 #66
What positions were added to the platform that were attacked as "giving everyone a pony"? betsuni Dec 2019 #71
What new platform concessions did Sanders win? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #250
Actually, I am pretty sure he said it verbatim. StevieM Dec 2019 #72
"Some of my best friends are moderates, but you can't be a progressive and a moderate at the betsuni Dec 2019 #75
Baloney. I'll moderates' path to progress any day.. people Cha Dec 2019 #98
He did. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #78
Well stated!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #178
Funny, coming from a broken record. nt Maven Dec 2019 #26
I'm sorry Sanders is doing the same shit he did in 2016. Jakes Progress Dec 2019 #28
Doesn't Bern have something else to crab about? kstewart33 Dec 2019 #32
Guess not!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #39
As they say, GMAFB!! George II Dec 2019 #33
2nd THAT! Cha Dec 2019 #41
The guy who instead of answering "Yes" when asked if he would concede before the convention betsuni Dec 2019 #36
Yeah, he's "sorry".. Cha Dec 2019 #40
When HRC is asked about the 2016 primary, it is rerunning. betsuni Dec 2019 #46
Oh... I forgot. He can go there, but damned if anyone else discusses the facts!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #49
Yeah when BS talks about it for 3 years it's Cha Dec 2019 #51
Sanders: "I don't wanna see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils." betsuni Dec 2019 #55
Yeah, like jill stein & sarandon only they said they Cha Dec 2019 #59
This!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #48
Sorry but that is one of the main reasons I am not a Bernie fan. kimbutgar Dec 2019 #52
Sanders did 39 rallies for Clinton. 14 of them in 5 days. I guess we forgot that. booley Dec 2019 #57
We know what happened.. we were there every damn Cha Dec 2019 #61
I think I'll take her word for it from Nov 3, 2016... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #101
Of course, Hillary was being gracious then.. that's who she is. Cha Dec 2019 #144
There is a phrase that describes those NYMinute Dec 2019 #68
Yup. CentralMass Dec 2019 #73
that is a lot of rallies questionseverything Dec 2019 #80
Youre damn right it is!! Bernie should be praised, not bashed, for his effort to get Hillary elected InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #121
i really dont know who did more rallies for her at same time questionseverything Dec 2019 #187
It was Bernie...not even close! He did DOZENS of rallies; youd think that would count for SOMETHING! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #207
That's an inconvenient truth to angry holdouts. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #81
This isn't a good look for Bernie. He seems cranky calling out people not even running. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #123
An inconveniet truth indeed HBS!! Bernie deserves MAJOR credit for his contributions to Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #128
Yes, how quickly people forget!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #88
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #60
lol .. see post #67 NYMinute Dec 2019 #69
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #151
He is such a unifier! BootinUp Dec 2019 #63
... NYMinute Dec 2019 #67
Bernie doesn't seem to have a whole lot of self-awareness. madaboutharry Dec 2019 #70
I defer to Hillary Clinton NBachers Dec 2019 #76
I dont blame her. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #79
Yeah... sad though. Time to move on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #83
Agreed. I just hope she isnt like this when Bernie gets the nomination. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #85
No, I think Hillary will join the chorus of fellow Democrats in endorsing Bernie for President. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #87
Maybe the heart attack was a real eye opener R B Garr Dec 2019 #199
Maybe the fact he had a heart attack and still campaigning strong Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #203
There couldn't be anyone in the world "scared" of a R B Garr Dec 2019 #204
Wait what? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #229
This has nothing to do with Biden. Nothing. R B Garr Dec 2019 #238
Except that he is running for president in this election. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #239
This has nothing to do with Biden. Nothing. R B Garr Dec 2019 #240
Thread title: "Sanders: I'm sorry that Hillary Clinton is rerunning 2016" R B Garr Dec 2019 #241
"Bernie is moving up and folks are terrified he will win. This is Biden's to lose." betsuni Dec 2019 #242
You: "I hope she isn't like this when Bernie gets the nomination." betsuni Dec 2019 #243
Why would Biden supporters be scared of a man who's had a heart attack and betsuni Dec 2019 #206
Bernie's certainly not moving on. Try suggesting that to him. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #124
I agree with Hillary Clinton Gothmog Dec 2019 #84
There are too many "real democrats" that need to move the heck on! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #86
Without question... Bernie is already showing he can unite voters around his cause. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #89
Agreed! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #93
Given sanders poll numbers, I have hope that sanders will not get the300 delegates needed Gothmog Dec 2019 #111
It's up to Bernie to earn my vote OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #91
I get it. You arent voting for him. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #92
Earning votes, not expecting coronations, holding feet to the fire, vetting, betsuni Dec 2019 #94
That is not going to happen Gothmog Dec 2019 #110
Cute bumper sticker. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #125
He won 23 primaries in 2016. He has a larger base of support than 2016, and far more money. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #126
The voters sure as hell have come to that realization &that Bernie will clobber tRump in the General InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #132
It's more than obvious. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #133
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #90
yeah, this wasn't very smart of him. Cha Dec 2019 #95
Can't! betsuni Dec 2019 #96
So he keeps digging. Cha Dec 2019 #97
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #102
"Man running for president has ego." Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #103
WTF?!?!?! HOW CAN ANYONE SERIOUSLY SAY THAT?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #182
Right?? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #184
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #106
Right. He competed for the nomination and then endorsed her. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #113
With a whole lot of bullshit in between. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #115
No kidding. :( Cha Dec 2019 #193
This message was self-censored by its author. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #139
Agree. betsuni Dec 2019 #147
Agree Horizens Dec 2019 #165
Imagine if Hillary actually ran again treestar Dec 2019 #107
It's Bernie's turn to get a second chance... Hillary got hers, as did Joe, now on his THIRD try. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #127
Hillary could have a third chance treestar Dec 2019 #136
Yes some Biden supporters wud be upset, understandably, as his poll#'s wud likely drop considerably. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #140
She was and did. nt sheshe2 Dec 2019 #228
Why? RandySF Dec 2019 #141
Why not? Other candidates, like Hillary & Joe have gotten 2nd/3rd tries at the Democratic nomination InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #175
Bernie follows DU rules. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #108
Yes, because the last three years have been a fucking holiday. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #116
LOL! DUesy! Perfect! nt Quixote1818 Dec 2019 #131
Not really.. she got corrected pretty damn fast. Cha Dec 2019 #201
This was posted on DU June 26, 2019..sure looks like BS is the one who's "salty" Cha Dec 2019 #200
Behold "the power of superdelegates." betsuni Dec 2019 #202
LOL! Yes, Behold! Cha Dec 2019 #205
You're funny. In both cases he was talking about processes and procedures. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #210
BS Broke the Rules.. & keep laughing. Cha Dec 2019 #212
Only because you're getting funnier. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #213
BS broke the rules at least twice. Cha Dec 2019 #214
+++ still_one Dec 2019 #216
Thank you, still_one! Cha Dec 2019 #218
It is a good thing to remind some people exactly what happened. Thank-you!!! still_one Dec 2019 #219
Yes, it is.. some seem to forget exactly Cha Dec 2019 #220
BOOM! You brought the receipts! (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #244
Had to.. and it still doesn't Cha Dec 2019 #245
We'll see. Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #114
He won't hesitate if the winner is a man. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #117
Yup still_one Dec 2019 #217
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #122
How is Bernie a narcissist? aikoaiko Dec 2019 #138
LOL, the comments at the Hill are sure a lot different from most of those here. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2019 #129
Lol. Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #155
LOL.. the comments on Twitter are much more Candid Cha Dec 2019 #197
Bernie is rerunning by bringing it up. Thomas Hurt Dec 2019 #135
Just go away Bernie before you cost us another election and 4 more years of the orange one. redstatebluegirl Dec 2019 #137
He should never speak about 2016 ...never. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #145
Me too. BeckyDem Dec 2019 #148
I am to Bernie. It does keep her name in the news though. jalan48 Dec 2019 #149
Hillary is a valued former SOS who made history getting Cha Dec 2019 #196
HRC asked a question about the primaries: keeping her name in the news by rerunning the primaries. betsuni Dec 2019 #198
Has Hillary accepted any responbility for losing? jg10003 Dec 2019 #159
Not one bit. I wish she would just go away. TexasBushwhacker Dec 2019 #166
I don't... Bernie & Elizabeth will need Hillary's full-throated support for their candidacy InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #180
More so than any candidate who got fewer votes - which is all of them but Obama. ehrnst Dec 2019 #227
Absolutely not TexasBushwhacker Dec 2019 #231
Yes, she did, and Jane Sanders was photographed with Arturo Carmona and Joe Arpaio ehrnst Dec 2019 #232
.... ehrnst Dec 2019 #235
"I take absolute personal responsibility. I was the candidate. I was the person who was betsuni Dec 2019 #167
Yes, Hillary did take some responsibility, indicating there were things she could have done better. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #179
I think that she is just more honest and transparent than any candidate, including those that ehrnst Dec 2019 #234
Hillary said "I hope he doesn't do it again this time around" Polybius Dec 2019 #172
Feel free!! We can squeeze another on the "Bernie Bandwagon"... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #181
almost like it is pre determined huh questionseverything Dec 2019 #188
".. pre-determined.. " like anyone Cha Dec 2019 #191
Do it. It's obviously if he doesn't win the Nom.. Cha Dec 2019 #190
HRC isn't running. democratisphere Dec 2019 #183
I'm sorry Sanders is running in 2020. honest.abe Dec 2019 #194
Booom! Cha Dec 2019 #195
I'm ECSTATIC Bernie is running in 2020!! A candidate who promotes a genuinely progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #224
What's not to love?? honest.abe Dec 2019 #249
After running such a negative campaign, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #222
+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #230
Since Clinton isn't running, Sanders could have just ignored the critique and continued on... brooklynite Dec 2019 #225
Oh for FUCK'S SAKE... Scoopster Dec 2019 #226
So a comment or thought that happens to be TRUE about 2016 and he accuses Clinton of 'rerunning' it UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #236
Yeah, he's not Cha Dec 2019 #246
sad... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #237
Hillary is Absolutely Correct.. anyone who paid Cha Dec 2019 #247
According to this poll, Clinton is still more popular compared to sanders Gothmog Dec 2019 #248
 

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
1. He still doesn't get it. nt
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:30 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. A lifelong dysfunction. According to Sanders, we're also all
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:59 AM
Dec 2019

basically just Republicans with pretensions of being something better. Long ago I read everything I could find on him, and since read much more that's turned up, and he's constantly full of blame and accusations: against Democrats, never for himself. 2016 wasn't even the first election "the only progressive leader" helped throw to anti-progressive Republicans by running a splinter candidacy. Knowing and accepting the consequences. But those are never his fault, they're ours.

He's been not "getting" so many of these "its" for so long, ignoring decades of massive contradictions of reality to his peculiar beliefs, that I have come to think he really does, inside, believe everything he says, even if the outer Sanders is capable of hedging his statements when called out by interviewers.

And while I've never been able to guess why he believes he chose to try to destroy the ACA, instead of say focusing on the tiny issue of income inequality, I'd bet my checkbook he doesn't know the truth of that either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
105. "I began the race as a 'spoiler.' (Oh, how I love that word, with its implications of the
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 AM
Dec 2019

sacrosanct nature of the two-party system.) Would I take away enough votes from the Democrat to elect the Republican?" Bernie Sanders



If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
112. God, I forgot that one! From someone who works hard to
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:25 AM
Dec 2019

keep his sacrosanct reelections in VT running like clockwork every 6 years, and now someone who applied that philosophy to the 2016 race again to the benefit of the Republicans, it just gets better.

It's not just that Sanders doesn't care about the consequences of throwing VT and now the U.S. to conservatives determined to destroy progressive government, it's also that he never faces the consequences personally. He's one of the privileged elite he claims to oppose.

And his followers each election give him a free ride as the consequences land on their shoulders alone. He literally doesn't count the damage he's done to progressive government as a spoiler and neither, bizarrely, do they.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
173. Exactly, as usual.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

trueblue2007

(17,213 posts)
142. that is why i can't stand him. he wanted to ruin the democrats.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:53 PM
Dec 2019

he needs to stop re-running the 2016 election

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sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
168. Holy Shit!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:22 PM
Dec 2019
"I began the race as a 'spoiler.'


Yes. We know.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
174. I don't know why everybody doesn't know.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:59 PM
Dec 2019

Obvious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
176. When they tell you who they are....
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:03 AM
Dec 2019

Believe them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
2. Ha.. look who's talking.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:31 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. I Hope He Doesn't Do It Again Too
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:32 PM
Dec 2019

Nor bring his claque to the convention if they're going to disrupt

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
154. Nina's on his staff now. (nt)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
4. don't buy his apology! he's stated publicly if EW got the nom we wasn't sure he'd support her!
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:34 PM
Dec 2019

Hillary is right and we should listen to her!! If that isn’t a rinse and repeat what is??!!

And hey bernie....news flash she didn’t lose!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
6. "he's stated publicly if EW got the nom we wasn't sure he'd support her!"
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
Dec 2019

You've been asked more than once to cite a source for that.

Again - share the source.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
12. I was curious about that as well. Seems like malarkey.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
24. Here's the source you asked for!!
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:08 PM
Dec 2019

While Sanders is coyly hiding behind the “some people say” formulation, he is threatening to repeat the tactics he used in 2016, when he called the process “rigged” and withheld his support long after the outcome was decided.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html
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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
29. Taking a bit of poetic license with your interpretation, aren't you?
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:23 PM
Dec 2019

Quite a reach to translate that as "he said publicly if EW got the nom we wasn't sure he'd support her!"

Don't you think?

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beastie boy

(9,322 posts)
30. Yes, it's a bit of a reach. But Bernie is jumping through loops to avoid committing himself
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:31 PM
Dec 2019

to support the eventual nominee. Except himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
38. NO! He stated he wasn't sure he would support the nominee if it wasn't him. typical bernie nonsense
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:46 PM
Dec 2019

More from the same article ...support sanders at the peril of our dem nominee losing!!

Sanders clearly resents being asked hypothetical questions that force him to entertain the prospect he might lose. But he faces these questions for the same reason Donald Trump was frequently asked if he would accept an unfavorable outcome: because he has a record of challenging the legitimacy of the outcome when he loses. Only Sanders gets asked this question because only Sanders has ever claimed to have been the victim of Democratic Party rigging, and only Sanders selected a slate of delegates who tried to disrupt their party’s convention.

If his answer to Hunt is any indication, he might do it again in 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
99. We do NOT need this shit from Sanders again
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:27 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
134. Is anyone surprised by that strained translation? After all, it's Bernie we're talkin about!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:42 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
50. He didn't even believe the primary was rigged in 2016!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:20 AM
Dec 2019

What he said then: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we know what the words were -- but what is really dumb is that you have closed primaries ..., where you have a situation when over 400 superdelegates came on board Clinton's campaign before anybody else was in the race ... . That's not rigged. I think it's just a dumb process which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign."

Evidently he came to believe the CTs later.

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trueblue2007

(17,213 posts)
143. he lied. if this is Bernie, he is a liar :: He didn't even believe the primary was rigged in 2016!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:01 PM
Dec 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
164. A process he was quite versed on prior to participating in. He was a superdelegate after all. (nt)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:33 PM
Dec 2019
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
185. Superdelegate v. Superdelegates. Why don't more people even know this fact.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 02:54 AM
Dec 2019

"Outsider"

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peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
189. You know what line of that article jumped out at me?
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:19 AM
Dec 2019

. . . “some people say that maybe if the system was not rigged against me, I would have won the nomination.”

Some People Say . . .

Who the Hell does that remind you of, eh???

There's a reason I support Democrats. And that reason has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders.

And he's whining about Hillary Clinton bringing up 2016?

Wonder why????

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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
192. Same as hedging with "That's what the American people are saying" when asked if he
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:30 AM
Dec 2019

was calling HRC the lesser of two evils when he said: "I don't wanna see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils."

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peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
221. Yup, same old, same old
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:16 AM
Dec 2019
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bluedovepdx

(28 posts)
11. We know
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:41 PM
Dec 2019

she won the popular vote but fact is she lost what matters, the electoral college. Who occupies the White House. It's not Hillary. If Bernie wins the nomination I hope Hillary will strongly publicly support him. I didn't even like Hillary in 2016 but I voted for her...Trump was the less desirable option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
31. Yeah, because of Damn LIES from Stein who told
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:32 PM
Dec 2019

her followers that trump and Hillary were the same.. and the fucking Russians, comey, the M$M, and voter suppression.

Then what does BS do.. he hires 3 stein voters and pushers for his top staff for the 2020 run.



We have better candidates who are Uniters

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sprinkleeninow

(20,242 posts)
54. Comey.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

He put the final kabash on her. Her #'s went down after his stunt.

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
56. yes, thank you, sprinkleen.. Comey, too.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:34 AM
Dec 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
161. Not just Stein... (nt)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:28 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
170. Exactly, ehrnst.. Not just stein.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:44 PM
Dec 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
223. Has She Returned Any Of The Money?
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:11 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
233. People were asking on her
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:28 PM
Dec 2019

latest LIE Tweet.

Me!

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
156. Well, it's unlikely he'll get the nomination. But if he does, I hope that she
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM
Dec 2019

supports him in exactly the same way and with the same 'enthusiasm' that he supported her.

The White House was stolen from her with Russian interference. She got more votes than any POTUS candidate not named Obama despite:

25 years of GOP smears
The statistical history of a party not keeping the WH for more than two consecutive terms (which is likely why very few Dems threw their hat in in 2016)
Misogyny on both the right and left
The Comey letter days before the election - when she was leading more in the polls.
Russian interference
Voter suppression of democrats in the key swing states in larger numbers than the sliver she lost by.

She performed better than any other candidate could have done. That is what is important. If someone leaves their house and is burglarized, someone doesn't say about the target that "they left the house, and that's what was really important."

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
169. lol! Excellent, ehrnst!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019
Well, it's unlikely he'll get the nomination
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Polybius

(15,390 posts)
171. BS
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie would love for her to get the nomination if he doesn't.

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Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
13. If you read here book you would know she gives 4 reasons why she lost the EC
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:51 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie is not one of them. And you would also know she takes responsibility for what happened

She cares a great deal for this country and has done nothing but good, and for down ticket Dems. Bernie talks a good game...and in the long run has accomplished very little

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
118. YES, give Hillary credit for takin responsibility for losin EC; blamin Bernie accomplishes nothing
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:38 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
157. Nor does giving him credit where it isn't due. (nt)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:17 PM
Dec 2019
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TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
7. He should talk to his staff.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
Dec 2019

It seems that a few of them are not only still running against the Hillary of 2016, they're trying to run against her now.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
8. Bernie is correct. We need to focus on 2020 and beating the GOP across the board and their...
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:38 PM
Dec 2019

... likely candidate for POTUS; Mike Pence.

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Undecided
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
19. Hillary is correct.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:59 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Are you serious? Who is concentrating 2016?
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:46 PM
Dec 2019

News flash - HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT RUNNING IN 2020!

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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
42. Of course Hillary wants us to win in 2020. Even Bernie. Again, let's focus on 2020 and...
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:52 PM
Dec 2019

...winning seats and the WH. Hillary was distracted by a question about Bernie. She should use her time in the spotlight talking positively about all our candidates. It would also be a classy and graceful example of positivity, if she thanked Bernie for his support 2016.

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Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
44. Maybe you could talk positively about your own candidate...instead of
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:08 AM
Dec 2019
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
77. That'll never happen. Said candidate is mired in the low teens in many polls,
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:47 AM
Dec 2019

Perhaps thinking that tearing down the front runner will boost his candidate’s standing. It has the smell of desperation

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
130. Well said!! Hopefully, Hillary will start to speak positively about Bernie...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:34 PM
Dec 2019

and the major contributions he has made to the Democratic Party over the years, especially if he wins the Democratic nomination for President. We need to unite behind the ultimate winner... and vote blue no matter who!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
160. Bernie is due to thank Hillary for inspiring so many to run for office
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:25 PM
Dec 2019

and for her graciousness and class in her dealings with him.

I don't think he's spoken positively publicly of her at all since November of 2016. Perhaps you can provide a link?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
158. Answering a question is 'being distracted' by a question?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:20 PM
Dec 2019

It would be classy and a grateful example of positivity if Bernie didn't "get distracted" and snippy about a question that Hillary answered, and thanked her for being an inspiration to progressives everywhere, and inspiring hundreds of people to run for office themselves.

She has been a beacon of class and graciousness concerning Bernie and 2016, when she could have understandably been more direct.

Clearly many of his supporters and surrogates haven't been such.

Hillary was in the front row of a historic campaign in many ways - is she supposed to take a vow of silence on it?





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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
119. Of course Bernie is correct... about so many things, which is why he has the best chance to
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:41 AM
Dec 2019

clobber the Traitor-in-Chief and his fellow RethugliKKKons.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
150. So why do you think is he's repeating a talking point that the GOP is pushing?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM
Dec 2019
Although Donald Trump’s election likely marked the end of her political career, the president never abandoned his obsession with Hillary Clinton—nor his apparent eagerness to run against her again. In the face of an impeachment inquiry, Trump has tweeted multiple times about Clinton’s supposed corruption, feebly attempting to deflect from his own criminality by pointing out hers. (Of note: A multi-year State Department probe, made public last week, found that Clinton did not deliberately mishandle classified information.) Those adjacent to Trump have gone so far as to suggest that, with Democrats increasingly concerned about their 2020 prospects, Clinton could throw her hat in the ring once again. Her book tour, they argue, complete with buzz-making tweets, is really Clinton testing the waters. (“She is running,” ex-Trump lackey Steve Bannon insisted earlier this month. “She’s just trying to decide how to fit her way in.”) As the 2020 primary heats up, whispers of a Clinton resurgence have circulated primarily among Republicans.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/whos-driving-the-clinton-2020-rumor-mill

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Somos

(9 posts)
9. Yet here's what his communications director said
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:40 PM
Dec 2019
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Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
15. Welcome to DU ...your post is spot on!!
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:53 PM
Dec 2019
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SterlingPound

(428 posts)
16. and stuff like that is why bernie doesnt have my support this election cycle
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:54 PM
Dec 2019

He controls the message after this long in office

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
34. I hope Bribri isn't under the delusion that the
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:40 PM
Dec 2019

pic there is going to entice anyone to join up. All that jill stein voter and pusher is doing is showing how divisive her campaign is.



Really Not A Good Look.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
43. More from: Lessons for 2020 Democratic Presidential Candidates, From a Soon-to-Be First-Time Voter
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:03 AM
Dec 2019
This essay, by Nora Fellas, who is now 17 but was 16 when she wrote it, is one of the Top 12 winners of our Sixth Annual Student Editorial Contest, for which we received 10,509 entries.

snip

This isn’t to say candidates shouldn’t appeal to young people — they must, because our votes can’t be taken for granted. In 2016, 18-29 year olds had the lowest turnout of any age group. The key difference between our generation and our parents’ is that we belong to the “Bernie or Bust” generation. 2016 revealed that we won’t choose between “the lesser of two evils”; if no candidate inspires us, we will just stay home.

This is why politicians need to appeal seriously to youth voters. Take Sanders: he is nearly 80, yet he is incredibly popular among young people. Why? Not because of his Instagram skills, but because he’s perceived as genuine — his politics haven’t changed.

To the 2020 candidates: the key to earning our vote isn’t pandering to us. Rather, we want to see that you genuinely care about the issues that matter to us. If you do that, you won’t need to worry about spreading your message on Instagram. We’ll do it for you.

This essay, by Nora Fellas, who is now 17 but was 16 when she wrote it, is one of the Top 12 winners of our Sixth Annual Student Editorial Contest, for which we received 10,509 entries.

snip


Nora is brilliant at such a young age. Everyone should read the whole article at

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/learning/lessons-for-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-from-a-soon-to-be-first-time-voter.html|

Thanks for your comment!



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Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
45. Now if they voted wouldn't that just be great!! Instead of just writing "nice"articles
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:09 AM
Dec 2019

Is my frustration showing YES!!! The youth always have a bizillion reasons why they didn’t vote...

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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
47. It's so great an article I just posted more about it again in my own OP.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:13 AM
Dec 2019

The young lady is brilliant! Thanks again Cha for the comment!!!!!

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sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
74. So.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:10 AM
Dec 2019
The key difference between our generation and our parents’ is that we belong to the “Bernie or Bust” generation. 2016 revealed that we won’t choose between “the lesser of two evils”; if no candidate inspires us, we will just stay home.


First time voter, Nora, states she is Bernie or Bust. That tells me that if Bernie does not win she will not vote. Is that correct?

This is why politicians need to appeal seriously to youth voters. Take Sanders: he is nearly 80, yet he is incredibly popular among young people. Why? Not because of his Instagram skills, but because he’s perceived as genuine — his politics haven’t changed.


The generation that demands change is voting for a politician because:
Not because of his Instagram skills, but because he’s perceived as genuine — his politics haven’t changed.


I doubt the Parkland students would agree with Nora.

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stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
82. does seem a little strained and convoluted doesn't it?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:45 AM
Dec 2019

welcome the young lady as a new voter .. hope that she DOES vote .. and a reminder that "not voting for the lesser of two evils" in the real world means you end up with Donald Trump.

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lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
177. The poor child sounds like a propaganda victim.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:08 AM
Dec 2019
The key difference between our generation and our parents’ is that we belong to the “Bernie or Bust” generation. 2016 revealed that we won’t choose between “the lesser of two evils”; if no candidate inspires us, we will just stay home.


Where did she get the idea that the last Democratic candidate was "an evil"?

It's amazing that the "the Democrat is the lesser of two evils / don't vote if you're not inspired" 2016 general election Russian talking points took such strong root in this teen when she was only 13 years old.

It's not brilliant. It's sad.
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
211. That has not one thing to do with bri's divisive, disingenuous
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:26 AM
Dec 2019

claptrap.

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lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
208. The poor child sounds like a propaganda victim.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 06:58 AM
Dec 2019

Where did she get the idea that the last Democratic candidate was "an evil"? And the charge that our 2016 GE candidate was a "phony" comes directly out of the Sean Hannity playbook. How interesting that this time around, it's once again a strong Democratic woman candidate who is saddled with an ill-perceived "authenticity problem".

It's amazing that the "the Democrat is the lesser of two evils / don't vote if you're not inspired / this smart Democratic female policy expert is not authentic" 2016 general election Russian talking points took such strong root in this teen when she was only 13 years old.

Someone needs to explain to this young woman that elections have have real consequences that will affect her for the long life that she has ahead. Voting responsibly isn't an optional exercise in response to apocryphal "inspiration". It is a civic duty that she owes to her fellow citizens, future generations, and, most of all, to herself.

Her future depends on it.

Mahalo.

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
209. Definitely.. it's a pity really.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:18 AM
Dec 2019

Thank you, lapucelle

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
21. Good god! Yeah, right.. I don't think so, bribri
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:00 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
53. One person wasn't evil. What's happened since that day is.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:31 AM
Dec 2019


Booom! Tina!
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
58. There are no "lessons" there.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:40 AM
Dec 2019
A campaign's senior staffer approving not voting for the Democratic nominee. Truth stranger than fiction has reached absurd heights.
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
64. Yeah, she so damn proud.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:46 AM
Dec 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
65. You hit the nail right on the head nt
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:47 AM
Dec 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
163. Yes, his POTUS staffing choices turn out to be quite interesting to say the least. (nt)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:31 PM
Dec 2019
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RandySF

(58,786 posts)
186. That's pretty recent, too.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:12 AM
Dec 2019
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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
14. Bernie has a point. Let's not rehash 2016. It's actually a forum rule here too.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:52 PM
Dec 2019
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Undecided

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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. I think it is reasonably to note that Bernie remained in the race long after the voting was over
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:00 PM
Dec 2019

and he had lost by every conceivable metric.

HRC was attacked in 2008 because she waited until just under 24 hours after voting ended to put out word that she would soon be suspending her campaign.

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
23. Talk to BS about that.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:02 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
35. WHAT'S HIS POINT?
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:40 PM
Dec 2019
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
109. The issue is about 2020 in which Bernie is running
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:59 AM
Dec 2019

and whether he will do the same thing again.

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djg21

(1,803 posts)
215. Agree completely.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:56 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie’s behavior during 2016 is directly relevant to the question of whether he should be considered a viable nominee in 2020. IMO, his failure to enthusiastically endorse Hillary in a timely fashion and get his supporters to turn out in the general election are significant factors that led to Trump being elected. Bernie’s conduct during 2016 is disqualifying in my view.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
120. Yup, GMAFB!! Bernie has moved on and is uniting voters. Those who seek to divide us are
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:46 AM
Dec 2019

doing a disservice to the party and the country.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
22. We have been told non-stop for the last three years that HRC didn't run on a progressive platform.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:02 PM
Dec 2019

Now we are hearing that she did?

I guess the facts of history are determined by whatever narrative allows us to bash Hillary at any given point in time.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
66. Gues it depends on how you look at it
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:48 AM
Dec 2019

Sanders did use his influence to get people in the committees to add more progressive positions to the Democratic platform.
(though as many of those progressives will tell you, it was an uphill battle)

But Clinton did at least appear to adopt some of those positions.

Even though during the primary she constantly attacked those positions as "giving everyone a pony"

That was definitely a big problem for Clinton. Many weren't sure what she really believed. Was she really as progressive as she claimed or was she just saying that for the votes Sanders drew into the Democratic orbit?
even with Sander doing over 30 events on her behalf in a matter of weeks, it's understandable there was confusion.

Though I would point out that here Sanders never said Clinton herself was a progressive.

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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
71. What positions were added to the platform that were attacked as "giving everyone a pony"?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:55 AM
Dec 2019

Because Medicare for All wasn't, free college wasn't.

Clinton and Sanders voted 93% the same while Senators. They are both progressives.

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LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
250. What new platform concessions did Sanders win?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:33 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

Sanders’s policy director Warren Gunnels told the Washington Post that the platform is off to an "excellent start" and that "the process itself has been very good."

The Post identified six key victories for Sanders that were later confirmed by the DNC’s draft:

Federal reserve reform: The new platform says the party will fight against allowing bank executives from sitting on Federal Reserve boards.

Closing the revolving door: The party will also move to "ban golden parachutes for those taking government jobs" and seek to bar bank regulators from taking any action related to their former employers, according to the draft of the platform.

Wall Street reform: The party would also seek to crack down on Wall Street by severing banks’ ability to choose the credit agency that rates their products.

Postal Service banking services: "Democrats believe that we need to give Americans affordable banking options, including by empowering the United States Postal Service to facilitate the delivery of basic banking services," the draft of the platform states. (Vox’s Matt Yglesias explains that idea here.)

Loopholes for estates and hedge funds: The draft also has strong, Sanders-like language on the need to "immediately close egregious loopholes like those enjoyed by hedge fund managers, restore fair taxation on multimillion dollar estates, and ensure millionaires can no longer pay a lower rate than their secretaries."

Use closing loopholes to create jobs: The Post also notes that Sanders’s aide cheered the commitment to put the revenue from closing loopholes toward rebuilding infrastructure and creating jobs.

This is on top of victories Sanders has already won over the platform

These new positions come on top of platform victories for Sanders that emerged from meetings last weekend on the party’s platform committee in Orlando. The party’s platform had already agreed to move leftward on several issues:

Death penalty: The party’s platform also has new language calling for the eradication of the death penalty. "We will abolish the death penalty, which has proven to be a cruel and unusual form of punishment," the platform states. "It has no place in the United States of America."

That's a win for Sanders, who had called for absolutist opposition to the death penalty. (Clinton has backed its use in limited circumstances.)

Earned income tax credit: The 2016 platform’s draft language will call on a specific expansion of the EITC to "low wage workers who don’t have children and to workers age 21 and older," according to the party’s news release.

(The 2012 platform only praised President Obama for expanding the EITC in general, according to the Washington Post’s David Weigel.)

Criminal justice reform: Another part of the draft platform calls for an end to "the era of mass incarceration, shutting down private prisons, ending racial profiling, reforming the grand jury process, investing in re-entry programs, banning the box to help give people a second chance and prioritizing treatment over incarceration for individuals suffering addiction."

This is a big change from 2012 — when the party’s platform had the narrower aim of wanting to "understand the disproportionate effects of crime, violence, and incarceration on communities of color" and expressed a commitment to "working with those communities to find solutions."

Fighting for a $15-an-hour minimum wage: This was a quasi-win for Sanders’s forces: The party’s platform draft does say that "Americans should earn at least $15 an hour," and it calls for the minimum wage to be increased. But Sanders complained that his delegates didn’t get quite what he wanted: a commitment from the party to raise the federal minimum wage to the $15 figure.
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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
72. Actually, I am pretty sure he said it verbatim.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:57 AM
Dec 2019

I seem to remember him saying something like "you can't be a moderate and a progressive."

People didn't believe that HRC was a progressive because Bernie painted her as the second coming of Joe Lieberman. She was redefined in that race. Back in the 90s she was seen as the liberal of the Clinton/Gore years.

Hillary ran on a platform that was perfectly consistent with the policies she fleshed out in 2015 and ran on throughout the Democratic primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
75. "Some of my best friends are moderates, but you can't be a progressive and a moderate at the
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:32 AM
Dec 2019

same time." Yes he did.

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
98. Baloney. I'll moderates' path to progress any day.. people
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:18 AM
Dec 2019

who actually get things done as opposed to just talking about it.

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sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
78. He did.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:53 AM
Dec 2019

He appointed Cornel West.

West said this about Obama:

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“brown-faced Clinton.”
"Kenny G in brown skin.”
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."


Then he endorsed and voted for Jill Stein

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
178. Well stated!!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:10 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Maven

(10,533 posts)
26. Funny, coming from a broken record. nt
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:17 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
28. I'm sorry Sanders is doing the same shit he did in 2016.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:23 PM
Dec 2019

His actions will result in a republican win again. Wish I could think he cared.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
32. Doesn't Bern have something else to crab about?
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:34 PM
Dec 2019

He can't help himself.

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Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. As they say, GMAFB!!
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:39 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
36. The guy who instead of answering "Yes" when asked if he would concede before the convention
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019

if it was clear he wasn't the nominee says "maybe if that system was not rigged against me, I would've won the nomination and defeated Donald Trump." Sounds like rerunning 2016 to me. Rigged!

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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
40. Yeah, he's "sorry"..
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 11:50 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
46. When HRC is asked about the 2016 primary, it is rerunning.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:11 AM
Dec 2019

When BS is asked about the 2016 primary, it is not rerunning.

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Thekaspervote

(32,758 posts)
49. Oh... I forgot. He can go there, but damned if anyone else discusses the facts!!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:16 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
51. Yeah when BS talks about it for 3 years it's
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:21 AM
Dec 2019

not.. only when Hillary is asked about it.



Booom, Tina!
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
55. Sanders: "I don't wanna see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils."
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:33 AM
Dec 2019

Stephanopolous: "Is that how you would describe Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump -- as the lesser of two evils?"

Sanders: "Well, if you look -- No, I wouldn't describe it, but that's what the American people are saying."

Maybe it's just me, but I think if he authentically thought HRC was evil, he should've been honest and said "yes." If he didn't believe it, why say so? Authenticity is very important!

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Cha

(297,176 posts)
59. Yeah, like jill stein & sarandon only they said they
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:43 AM
Dec 2019

were the same.. and had a big part in trump getting rigged in.

**** ** *** *****!

Sorry.. it's actually good to be reminded of that.. thanks.

Oh and I think BS was **********.

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kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
52. Sorry but that is one of the main reasons I am not a Bernie fan.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:29 AM
Dec 2019

His weak endorsement of Hillary Clinton really turned me off to him in 2016.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
57. Sanders did 39 rallies for Clinton. 14 of them in 5 days. I guess we forgot that.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:37 AM
Dec 2019
.... Sanders was reportedly the only politician who got private charter flights paid by the campaign, but his schedule was possibly the most grueling: a Sanders spokeswoman told Politico that he traveled to 39 rallies in 13 states during the final three months of the election cycle, and hit up 17 rallies in 11 states during the final week of the election. “[A]t no point did I ever say ‘he has to have a private plane for the sake of having a private plane,’” added former deputy campaign manager Rania Batrice. “The requests for a charter only came after the schedules were put in front of us. If a less rigorous schedule were put in front of us, we wouldn’t have needed a charter and that would have been fine for everyone involved, including Bernie.”


[link:0https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/clinton-staffers-still-complaining-about-bernie-sanders?fbclid=IwAR1yZdLM3xZ_Rhugr7x6c1i87dAFdnqxascRInTkgDq8V3kN1W1GX7vFnnM|Link to Full story]
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
61. We know what happened.. we were there every damn
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:45 AM
Dec 2019

step of the way.. and Hillary was exactly correct because she was, too.

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
101. I think I'll take her word for it from Nov 3, 2016...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:09 AM
Dec 2019
Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton stood side-by-side again Thursday at an event in Raleigh, North Carolina. They reminded the crowd of the long journey they’ve had -- sometime as competitors, sometimes as allies -- over this campaign.

“I’ve got to say,” Clinton said, turning to address Sanders. “This election’s been a lot more fun now that we’re on the same side.”

The independent Vermont senator smiled and bobbed his head. “I want to thank Bernie for everything he’s done,” she continued.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-eye-post-election-goals/story?id=43300037

She thanked Bernie for everything he did...wasn't that nice. Seems like he did well enough for her then.
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Cha

(297,176 posts)
144. Of course, Hillary was being gracious then.. that's who she is.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:04 PM
Dec 2019

Hillary was telling like it was on the Stern show.

I'll take my own word for it.. not BS'.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
68. There is a phrase that describes those
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:51 AM
Dec 2019

It is called "wink wink nod nod"

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questionseverything

(9,652 posts)
80. that is a lot of rallies
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:08 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
121. Youre damn right it is!! Bernie should be praised, not bashed, for his effort to get Hillary elected
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

questionseverything

(9,652 posts)
187. i really dont know who did more rallies for her at same time
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:13 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
207. It was Bernie...not even close! He did DOZENS of rallies; youd think that would count for SOMETHING!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:46 AM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2019, 06:27 AM - Edit history (1)

How quickly some people forget!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
81. That's an inconvenient truth to angry holdouts.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:11 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
123. This isn't a good look for Bernie. He seems cranky calling out people not even running.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:14 PM
Dec 2019

The irrational mind might even go so far as to write "disqualifying" without any objective support behind it.



But that kind of bs is merely petulant absurdity, right?

Inconvenient truths, indeed.


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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
128. An inconveniet truth indeed HBS!! Bernie deserves MAJOR credit for his contributions to Hillary...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019

not more Bernie bashing!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
88. Yes, how quickly people forget!!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:15 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
63. He is such a unifier!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:46 AM
Dec 2019

/sarcasm

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Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
67. ...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:49 AM
Dec 2019

Gaslighting swarm will appear to defend and project.

It is never ever Bernie's fault. Bernie never makes mistakes. Bernie never has to apologize. Bernie is perfect and doesn't have to change a thing.

right? RIGHT?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
70. Bernie doesn't seem to have a whole lot of self-awareness.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:54 AM
Dec 2019

He did hurt her chances. He was bitter and he conveyed that to his supporters.

I keep going back to the same thought about Bernie: He’s not a Democrat and sometimes it really shows. He wasn’t putting the good of the Democratic Party before himself because he doesn’t have an emotional attachment to the Democratic Party.

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Joe Biden
 

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
76. I defer to Hillary Clinton
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:33 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
79. I dont blame her.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:01 AM
Dec 2019

I would be too if I won an election by 3 million votes and somehow still lost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
83. Yeah... sad though. Time to move on!!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:48 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
85. Agreed. I just hope she isnt like this when Bernie gets the nomination.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:54 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
87. No, I think Hillary will join the chorus of fellow Democrats in endorsing Bernie for President.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:07 AM
Dec 2019

I could even see Hillary appearing with Bernie at campaign rallies and giving speeches in support, like he did so many times for her.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
199. Maybe the heart attack was a real eye opener
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:41 AM
Dec 2019

about how impossible that would be.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
203. Maybe the fact he had a heart attack and still campaigning strong
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:12 AM
Dec 2019

Is scaring Biden supporters up the wazoo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
204. There couldn't be anyone in the world "scared" of a
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:17 AM
Dec 2019

78-year-old man who had a heart attack.

But your post was a petty slam on Hillary, and it might be obvious to her as well that a heart attack is a sign of debilitation.

Edit, and this has squat to do with Biden, lol

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
229. Wait what?
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 06:18 PM
Dec 2019

Hillary has nothing to do with this.

Bernie is moving up and folks are terrified he will win. This is Bidens to lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
238. This has nothing to do with Biden. Nothing.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:09 AM
Dec 2019

You made a derogatory comment about Hillary, and I pointed out that maybe she considers Bernie to be toast because he had a heart attack.

Then you threw in Biden as a distraction to avoid the very real possibility that others view a heart attack as a debilitating event.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
239. Except that he is running for president in this election.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 03:15 AM
Dec 2019

We are in the 2020 election primary, not 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
240. This has nothing to do with Biden. Nothing.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:16 AM
Dec 2019

This thread is about a derogatory thing Sanders said about Hillary Clinton about 2016.

Then you said a derogatory thing about Hillary, and I surmised that it’s possible Hillary is like many people who don’t think Sanders is a viable candidate to win since they consider a heart attack to be debilitating.

This has nothing to do with Biden except that you want to distract.

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Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
241. Thread title: "Sanders: I'm sorry that Hillary Clinton is rerunning 2016"
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:19 AM
Dec 2019

The thread title is “Sanders: I’m sorry that Hillary Clinton is rerunning 2016”.

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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
242. "Bernie is moving up and folks are terrified he will win. This is Biden's to lose."
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:30 AM
Dec 2019

Why would anyone be terrified of a stump speech?

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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
243. You: "I hope she isn't like this when Bernie gets the nomination."
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:44 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
206. Why would Biden supporters be scared of a man who's had a heart attack and
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:45 AM
Dec 2019

still campaigning? It's not as if Bernie is Dick Cheney, he's human. Everybody worries about people with health problems (except for Dick Cheney).

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
124. Bernie's certainly not moving on. Try suggesting that to him.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:16 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
84. I agree with Hillary Clinton
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:50 AM
Dec 2019

I really do not believe that sanders will be the nominee. There are too many real Democrats who will not forgive or forget

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
86. There are too many "real democrats" that need to move the heck on!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:56 AM
Dec 2019

And accept the fact he is very likely to receive the nomination at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
89. Without question... Bernie is already showing he can unite voters around his cause.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:19 AM
Dec 2019

It will happen here too!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
111. Given sanders poll numbers, I have hope that sanders will not get the300 delegates needed
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:22 AM
Dec 2019

I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf

Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United
States in the following manner:

a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.

b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.

If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

OldRed2450

(710 posts)
91. It's up to Bernie to earn my vote
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:26 AM
Dec 2019

and threats like this won't do it.


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Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
92. I get it. You arent voting for him.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:30 AM
Dec 2019

That is fine. But millions of others are, and he continues to be one of 4 candidates who are nearly guaranteed to get the nomination. It might be a good idea for many people to work off that chip on their shoulder in the very real possibility the nominee is him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
94. Earning votes, not expecting coronations, holding feet to the fire, vetting,
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:47 AM
Dec 2019

voting records, quotes, etc., are suddenly bad.

Wonder why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
110. That is not going to happen
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:20 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
125. Cute bumper sticker.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:18 PM
Dec 2019

Lacking any objective support, they're often the go-to wisdom for the second-rate and third tier candidates advancing towards the rear more quickly every day.

"Accept the fact"
And there's the back of the t-shirt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
126. He won 23 primaries in 2016. He has a larger base of support than 2016, and far more money.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:22 PM
Dec 2019

I have no doubt he will win the extra few contests needed to give him the nomination. I'm curious how long it wil take for others to come to that realization.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
132. The voters sure as hell have come to that realization &that Bernie will clobber tRump in the General
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:39 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
133. It's more than obvious.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:42 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks Bluestate!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
90. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:18 AM
Dec 2019

... STOP! You need Hillary Clinton voters to win the nomination. All you need is the last part. "Right now our goal is to defeat Donald Trump. I think I am the strongest candidate to do that. If it turns out I am not the Democratic nominee, I will strongly support anybody else." Just add a compliment about Hillary... say you liked working with her in the Senate and would welcome her support as President. Say she's "tough, smart, a fighter..." whatever... Remember, you need Hillary Clinton voters to win the nomination! When her name comes up, throw her a compliment!



If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
95. yeah, this wasn't very smart of him.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:02 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(25,474 posts)
96. Can't!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:03 AM
Dec 2019

Once you say a person is evil, you really can't go back.

Bernie: "I don't think anyone seriously believes that because I wrote a best-selling book, and it made money ... that I've changed my views, and you'll now have me saying, 'Gee, maybe we want to give tax breaks to millionaires.' I don't think you've heard me say that."

No Democrat has said that. Zero Democratic votes for the Trump tax cuts. But he always accuses Democrats of corruption because they accept the legal limit of campaign contributions. What is the point to that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
97. So he keeps digging.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:07 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
103. "Man running for president has ego."
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:22 AM
Dec 2019

What a shocking headline...

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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
182. WTF?!?!?! HOW CAN ANYONE SERIOUSLY SAY THAT?!?!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:30 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
113. Right. He competed for the nomination and then endorsed her.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:30 AM
Dec 2019


oh. the horror.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
115. With a whole lot of bullshit in between.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:35 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
193. No kidding. :(
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:57 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
139. This message was self-censored by its author.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:04 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
107. Imagine if Hillary actually ran again
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:54 AM
Dec 2019

I'm surprised Bernie doesn't get more heat for having another try; especially from the crowd who argues anyone who did not win the nomination before should not try again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
127. It's Bernie's turn to get a second chance... Hillary got hers, as did Joe, now on his THIRD try.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:23 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
136. Hillary could have a third chance
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:30 PM
Dec 2019

Just imagine the outcry had she ran !

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
140. Yes some Biden supporters wud be upset, understandably, as his poll#'s wud likely drop considerably.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:00 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:08 AM - Edit history (1)

A Bernie/Hillary rematch though would be fine by me... let the best candidate win!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
228. She was and did. nt
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:50 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
175. Why not? Other candidates, like Hillary & Joe have gotten 2nd/3rd tries at the Democratic nomination
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:01 AM
Dec 2019

and DESERVEDLY so. Indeed, I would WELCOME Hillary to run again, and find myself among the "many, many, many" she has cited who are urging her to do so. Bernie is no different and deserves the same consideration!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
108. Bernie follows DU rules.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:59 AM
Dec 2019




Looks like some people are still salty.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
116. Yes, because the last three years have been a fucking holiday.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:36 AM
Dec 2019

Can't imagine why people are still salty.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
131. LOL! DUesy! Perfect! nt
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:36 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
201. Not really.. she got corrected pretty damn fast.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:51 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
200. This was posted on DU June 26, 2019..sure looks like BS is the one who's "salty"
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:50 AM
Dec 2019
Sanders Claims 2016 Primary Was Rigged, Won't Commit to Supporting Winner

NBC’s Kasie Hunt asked Bernie Sanders if he would commit to supporting the Democratic nominee before the convention if it’s clear it won’t be him. Sanders would not make any such commitment. Instead, he said, “some people say that maybe if the system was not rigged against me, I would have won the nomination.”

BS.. ".. some people say.."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287167107#top

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html

This was posted on DU March 8, 2019..

Bernie invoking Hillary


https://www.democraticunderground.com/128717213

And, I don't feel like rolling on the floor laughing about it.



If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
202. Behold "the power of superdelegates."
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:05 AM
Dec 2019


Fantasy conspiracy theory.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
205. LOL! Yes, Behold!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:20 AM
Dec 2019

.. The Power of Cheese! Now that's funny! Thanks for the !

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
210. You're funny. In both cases he was talking about processes and procedures.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:24 AM
Dec 2019


In neither example was he saying that Hillary should have done something different or how she “hurt me”.

Even you can see the difference, surely.

Maybe not.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
212. BS Broke the Rules.. & keep laughing.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:29 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
213. Only because you're getting funnier.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:44 AM
Dec 2019


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
214. BS broke the rules at least twice.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:46 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
218. Thank you, still_one!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:38 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,181 posts)
219. It is a good thing to remind some people exactly what happened. Thank-you!!!
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:42 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
220. Yes, it is.. some seem to forget exactly
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:50 AM
Dec 2019

what's been going on these last couple of years..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
244. BOOM! You brought the receipts! (nt)
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 03:13 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
245. Had to.. and it still doesn't
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 04:47 PM
Dec 2019

count.. according to "some people".

Mahalo, ehrnst!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,295 posts)
114. We'll see.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:33 AM
Dec 2019

When he loses (and he will), we'll see if replays 2016 by stretching out his defeat as long as possible to damage the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
117. He won't hesitate if the winner is a man.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:36 AM
Dec 2019

I don't see him throwing his support right away behind any of the women.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
138. How is Bernie a narcissist?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:00 PM
Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
129. LOL, the comments at the Hill are sure a lot different from most of those here. nt
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:34 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
197. LOL.. the comments on Twitter are much more Candid
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:28 AM
Dec 2019

than here!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
135. Bernie is rerunning by bringing it up.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:47 PM
Dec 2019

She is not running.

No Democrat should be mentioning her unless she is campaigning for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
137. Just go away Bernie before you cost us another election and 4 more years of the orange one.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:34 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
145. He should never speak about 2016 ...never.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:52 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,860 posts)
149. I am to Bernie. It does keep her name in the news though.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:38 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
196. Hillary is a valued former SOS who made history getting
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:22 AM
Dec 2019

the most votes for Madam POTUS of any Dem except President Obama.

She doesn't need BS to be sought after for her views and opinions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
198. HRC asked a question about the primaries: keeping her name in the news by rerunning the primaries.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:36 AM
Dec 2019

BS asked a question about the primaries: being authentic, not rerunning the primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jg10003

(976 posts)
159. Has Hillary accepted any responbility for losing?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:20 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasBushwhacker

(20,183 posts)
166. Not one bit. I wish she would just go away.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:49 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
180. I don't... Bernie & Elizabeth will need Hillary's full-throated support for their candidacy
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:20 AM
Dec 2019

to maximize their chances of clobbering tRump in the General.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
227. More so than any candidate who got fewer votes - which is all of them but Obama.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:12 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasBushwhacker

(20,183 posts)
231. Absolutely not
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:36 PM
Dec 2019

But she still knows she is hated by the right, and plenty of independents. I don't think her endorsement of anyone will help, and it might hurt. That's why I wish she and Bill (who was photographed with Jeffrey Epstein) would sit this one out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
232. Yes, she did, and Jane Sanders was photographed with Arturo Carmona and Joe Arpaio
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:51 PM
Dec 2019

After the world knew about how predatory they were.

And then there's this:



And Bernie is very much hated on the right (with the exception of some GOP strategists and pols), by many independents as well as many self-identifying Democrats.

His endorsements didn't help many get elected in 2018. Hillary's involvement in the midterms however, did.

So, those things aren't a dealbreaker for candidates it seems, so why is it for Hillary and Bill?

When you say that you wish Bill and Hillary would "Sit it out" do you mean not speak publicly?









If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,474 posts)
167. "I take absolute personal responsibility. I was the candidate. I was the person who was
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:07 PM
Dec 2019

on the ballot." Of course she has, wrote a whole book about it.

http://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
179. Yes, Hillary did take some responsibility, indicating there were things she could have done better.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:18 AM
Dec 2019

They are detailed in her book, What Happened. Hillary deserves recognition for that and, hopefully, Bernie has learned the important lessons of 2016 that Hillary writes about and will make the necessary adjustments in taking on and defeating Dolt45.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
234. I think that she is just more honest and transparent than any candidate, including those that
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 10:06 PM
Dec 2019

she has defeated, who could have clearly have also done better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(15,390 posts)
172. Hillary said "I hope he doesn't do it again this time around"
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:52 PM
Dec 2019

She completely dismisses Bernie having any chance of winning. Almost makes me want to switch my support to Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
181. Feel free!! We can squeeze another on the "Bernie Bandwagon"...
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:27 AM
Dec 2019

though I'd be SO damn proud to throw my support to Elizabeth, should she come out on top. But then, I expect BOTH Bernie AND Elizabeth to end up on the ticket and, that way, we can get the best of both worlds!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

questionseverything

(9,652 posts)
188. almost like it is pre determined huh
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:16 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
191. ".. pre-determined.. " like anyone
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:22 AM
Dec 2019

has to power to do that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
190. Do it. It's obviously if he doesn't win the Nom..
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:21 AM
Dec 2019

I agree with Hillary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
183. HRC isn't running.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

Another needs to follow suit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
194. I'm sorry Sanders is running in 2020.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:17 AM
Dec 2019

I wish he would go away.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
224. I'm ECSTATIC Bernie is running in 2020!! A candidate who promotes a genuinely progressive agenda
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:38 PM
Dec 2019

that protects the interests of common folks on Main Street should go away?! Hardly!!

There's no need to fear Bernie's agenda... instead, we should all embrace it, as it represents what's best for America as a whole.

What's not to love?! If ever there was a candidate to unite behind that can bring us all together, it's Bernie!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
249. What's not to love??
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:20 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie was part of the reason we lost in 2016 and is setting things up for similar outcome for 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OldRed2450

(710 posts)
222. After running such a negative campaign, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:28 PM
Dec 2019

This is a good article for those that need to remember

https://medium.com/@blairdurkee/scorched-earth-politics-bernie-sanders-and-the-dishonest-campaign-that-gave-us-trump-eb0bc82ab2c1

Snip~ It’s unclear whether April 2015 Bernie Sanders would hate and detest the actions of April 2016 Bernie Sanders, who ran a campaign so sordid and venomous that the soap opera analogy seems quaint in comparison. He did in the very beginning insist on sticking to the issues. But by the end of his campaign against Hillary Clinton, he had called her personally responsible for American deaths in Iraq, accused her of being involved in a money laundering scheme, declared that she was “unqualified” to be president, and implied she was guilty of bribery and corruption (in a thirty-second ad one might reasonably call negative and ugly).~


Snip~ As we now know, Sanders’ endeavor to tarnish Clinton’s image among liberal voters had significant help from Russian hackers sowing discord at the Democratic National Convention and social media trolls spreading anti-Clinton memes and fake news stories. Recently, he even admitted to having known the Russians were helping him — and he used it to his advantage anyway. Lesser known by the public, Sanders also received assistance from Republican-affiliated Super PACs and the Republican National Committee itself — who were beside themselves with pleasure that Sanders was doing their dirty work for them. This had been publicly reported as early as May 2015, and again, while he did not ask for their aid, he relished it nonetheless. The combined efforts of Bernie Sanders, Moscow, and the Republican Party succeeded in turning Clinton’s favorable rating upside down.





If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,513 posts)
225. Since Clinton isn't running, Sanders could have just ignored the critique and continued on...
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Scoopster

(423 posts)
226. Oh for FUCK'S SAKE...
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:02 PM
Dec 2019

The ONLY candidates in the field that are re-running 2016 are Bernie Sanders and the GOP clown-pig. Get the fuck over Hillary already.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
236. So a comment or thought that happens to be TRUE about 2016 and he accuses Clinton of 'rerunning' it
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 01:26 AM
Dec 2019

??? He fucking held Clinton HOSTAGE.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
246. Yeah, he's not
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 04:49 PM
Dec 2019

fooling anybody.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
237. sad...
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 01:48 AM
Dec 2019

"...Hillary Clinton’s recent suggestion that his decision to not endorse her sooner after the two battled for the Democratic nomination in 2016 ended up hurting her in the general election against Donald Trump. "

...it's everyone and everything but Hillary...

"...she was “disappointed” with Sanders and she hopes “he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination.” "


...oh well, better luck next time...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,176 posts)
247. Hillary is Absolutely Correct.. anyone who paid
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 04:51 PM
Dec 2019

attention knows that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
248. According to this poll, Clinton is still more popular compared to sanders
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 08:09 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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