Democratic Primaries
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)it, is he ever planning on keeping his promise and releasing those taxes? He can't use the excuse "soon", because he's already used that and it's long past "soon" at this point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)and 2018 isn't due for another three weeks. I presume he wants to deliver the rest as one large submission, rather than doing it piecemeal, so, just be a little more patient and I expect you'll soon get what you're asking for.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)"Hey Joe, I know I promised to pay you back that $400 I loaned you 3 years ago and I did pay you $100 of it. So were good right? No? Well just give me more time."
Trust is earned by words AND deeds.
One down and 3 plus 2018 years to go.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Surely, you know that by now... be honest.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)You can apologize to the other poster for calling them a liar
https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2014.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)They'll just manufacture another myth to bash Bernie with... it never fails. Next, they'll change the subject, without admitting they were ever wrong, perhaps, start with bringing up other tax years.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so divisive. But, the truth ALWAYS prevails and overcomes falsehoods... which splains why Bernie just keeps rising in the polls and the crowds keep growing to see this Democratic rock star perform. Did you see the L.A. rally today... holy smokes!! Bernie's got California in da bag my friend, if this keeps up!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,283 posts)Excuse for a delay? What if his tax returns are being audited? Did the dog eat them?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(111,283 posts)However, I can only speak for myself.
The one thing that I'm certain about is that I will nòt vote for any candidate that hasn't released at least five years of tax returns. I'm not as concerned about how much they earned as the source of their income.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)and, if so, I'd probably switch my vote over to Elizabeth or, maybe, even Mayor Pete (the more I listen to the guy, the more I like him!). I give Bernie the benefit of the doubt, however, so I really don't believe Bernie will fail to divulge his tax returns, but hey, let's wait and see... I too am willing to be patient.
And, yes, the source of income is more important than the actual amount... just like with campaign contributions, as I'm sure you'll agree.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)to release his tax returns and, if he doesn't do it by the Iowa caucuses, fine, Democrats can take appropriate action & not caucus for him, or do whatever. So, can we please lay off the constant criticism of Bernie and wait patiently til then, as Jennifer Rubin is willing to do?
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)Link to tweet
Enough with the excuses, Senator. These sorts of shenanigans and make no mistake, thats exactly what they are at this point both reduce the pressure on cowardly congressional Democrats to pursue President Trumps personal and corporate tax returns, and endanger Democrats hopes of taking back the presidency in 2020. The progressive positions that Sanders champions, including Medicare-for-all, expanded Social Security and increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour, are much too important to both the future of our country and our own personal finances to risk them over tax returns.
Trump broke with decades of precedent in refusing to make his tax returns public when he was running for president. The result? Not only dont we know our presidents net worth, we also have little idea how he earned his fortune or how he makes his money now. Minus his paperwork, its hard to determine whether Trump is using the White House as a just-in-time moneymaking opportunity, violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution, and/or even paying his fair share of taxes at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)food/bread lines.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rampartc
(5,263 posts)i'll defend them as an alternative to starving.
a home, a job, and groceries are obviously better, but capitalism has never been great at providing such luxuries.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)all that is good and decent when it comes to progressive values and striving for the betterment of society as a whole, can be the target of such hostility is beyond me.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)and he certainly deserves our love and admiration for the way he strives, every day, to better our society. You may disagree with his progressive policies and that's fine... don't vote for him!! But, the nonstop Bernie bashing that occurs here on a daily basis, thread after thread after thread, is starting to get tiresome... people need to show Bernie the proper respect that he has rightfully earned and deserves.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)Our love and admiration! I have not once bashed Bernie this entire election cycle, I am only commenting on you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)You can love, honor, and obey him if you wish. You can fall down on your knees in adoration if you want. That's up to you. But sorry, he doesn't deserve MY love and admiration. Or my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(57,591 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Did you accidentally reply in the wrong thread?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)Vet harder
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)No, instead Bernie's has been fighting for the less fortunate his ENTIRE LIFE, which, god forbid, includes feeding the hungry!! Instead of PRAISING him for it, no, he catches SHIT!!
How's THAT for irony?!?!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)but bread lines are not a positive point to make.
And laughing about it (you - ) and posting a funny Seinfeld scene with the soup NAZI is very telling in itself.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)not a positive point worth noting?!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
riverine
(516 posts)not just poor people.
To each according to their needs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)wasn't REALLY talking about poor people. Oookaaaayy, I get it now!!
Let the Bernie bashing continue... carry on!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance. There were many weeks my family went with little or no food because my mother got too much in social security ($300 mo) to get any help from the county. So blithely saying that bread lines were better than other countries...well...I know the truth on this first hand. People lining up for food was a myth because there WERE no places to line up except for a very few shelters in the biggest cities. The press WAS clueless to this as were those who never had to go without a meal or two a day but believed they were experts on the poor.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,743 posts)and elderly. It was a federal program. In the 70s for a while blocks of cheese were also given out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)Ever lived on only cheese Autumn?
Ever have to go to the city park and try to catch one of the few catfish that lived there just to have some meat.
Ever lived for a week on creamed celery over noodles?
I'm done responding to clueless posters.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,743 posts)degree. Cheese, when it was given out, and sliced onion sandwiches were a rare treat during that time. My job in a diner covered our rent and not much else. What's clueless is trying to pretend that there were no commodities given out except for large cities. The commodities program started in the 30's in all the states and people stood in line to get them.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/history_4
revmclaren (1,118 posts)
bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance. There were many weeks my family went with little or no food because my mother got too much in social security ($300 mo) to get any help from the county. So blithely saying that bread lines were better than other countries...well...I know the truth on this first hand. People lining up for food was a myth because there WERE no places to line up except for a very few shelters in the biggest cities. The press WAS clueless to this as were those who never had to go without a meal or two a day but believed they were experts on the poor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)Experienced the pretty typical Ramon bit (I did too in collage). Did you grow up in a one parent family without a car to drive or bus money to use to take you to get food? I spent the 60s in a town of 200 5 miles outside of Fresno with NO commodities program and then my mother, my sister and I were dumped in Fresno in 71' by my 'good Christian' family who couldn't be bothered any longer by the poor widow and her kids. As I said... Fresno didn't have a real safety net for the poor in the seventies.
They didn't care then and if you were here now, you would see that they still don't care if the poor or homeless starve, although now churches and food banks have stepped up to help people survive and SNAP will give you some relief too although it's future is unsure due to the orange Himmler.
I'm not willing to delve deeper into my private past to satisfy someone who is only trying to win an argument to support a candidate who praised breadlines.
And yes... I have 1100+ posts. I don't live my life at DU. I grew up in the real world and still live in it 95 % of my time.
Have a great day posting.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,743 posts)vehicle. My Mom walked or took the bus to her maid job. You aren't the only one who grew up in poverty so how bout you quit with the clueless bullshit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)The country never has been the same everywhere when it comes to poverty. You may understand being poor, but don't shove the 'bernie knows poverty and what was/is best for the poor' illusion.
His own statement (s) show otherwise to those of us who are not fans.
A person CANNOT truely understand or even comprehend true poverty unless they have experienced it, and since you have experienced it yourself, I don't understand your support for the breadline statement from the now MILLIONAIRE (I-VT) senator.
I just can't fathom it.
Now I've got shopping to do. Have a wonderful day.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,743 posts)false information in it. There might not have been bread lines but there were lines to get beans, powdered eggs, peanut butter and meats and other commodities that were for the poor and elderly. That program was in every state from the 30's. I don't understand how anyone can live in poverty and claim there were no programs to help the poor.
bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,537 posts)That sums up a significant chunk of the wealthier progressive left.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Of us here know what it means to go hungry. I have been there a couple of times, stretched meals to feed my family at times, made sure they never did without.
Funny thing though, never thought of welfare. We were taught it was wrong!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)they are for EVERYONE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)So far every time Ive seen it posted it is that same chopped off clip.
I have the same reaction when people scare-monger about waiting lines for health-care: ask the 40,000 people who die each year for lack of health care in this country how they would feel if only having to wait was their main trouble.
So I guess its all relative. Poor people in Africa, to use an extreme example, would thank their lucky stars for a bread line. The same goes for poor kids picking through a garbage dump pile for their dinner.
Im betting my hunch is much closer to reality of what he was describing that what the usual suspects are trying to portray. Jump up and down, scream and yell, but rational people dont believe Bernie is pro breadline
But to use their own metric and as much as they talk about him and not their own candidates, they are scared of the big bad Bernie
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
riverine
(516 posts)But the point is 99% of Americans like the market system we have now over government rationed food lines.
This video clip of a socialist defending food rations will be devastating in a general election.
Your careful nuance won't be heard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,271 posts)The repigs are going to use all sorts of quotes no matter who our candidate is. Remember you didnt build that? Or distribute income or what difference does it make? I do.
Whats pathetic is you are doing what they do and you are apparently proud of it. And some here are acting outraged, OUTRAGED, when others dont play along. Using the issue of starving people for a cheap political point is on you my friend.
And now Im half way through the full interview where the quote came from and its just what I suspected. Mind you, this was done smack dab in the middle of the era of Ronnie Rayguns (and all around nice guy Henry Kissinger) support of murderous dictatorships.
Once again, Bernie was on the right side of history. Id be curious to see some other speeches from that era. I betcha there are a few that were on the wrong side of this issue too.
Henry Kissinger. Now that I think of it...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,122 posts)I didn't see the interview but think that's what he probably meant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)but then now you attack me for not listening to a full interview that you are just now listening to.
You evade the real point here - we have a self-described socialist defending food rations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)But seriously, distributing food to starving poor people is a problem?! We have to misconstrue what Bernie made painfully clear?! Really?! Why not acknowledge the fact that Bernie has fought almost SIX DECADES(!!!) for those less fortunate and commend him for that.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)"At least they have a job and are not starving"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Google "Justifications for slavery" and you'll find that that is one of the things mentioned.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)it's the analogy you're making to what Bernie said I take issue with.
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)read the post I was responding to. Thanks!
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)I misunderstood your original point. If that's the case, my humble apologies.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(57,591 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Equates to everyone being fed??
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)That is, if he secures the nomination. Any Dem for me in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Is going to get a LOT worse if he is the Dem Nominee, because you know the GOP is going to come at him with BOTH barrels, and pull out that nasty dossier they have locked away. And you know the corporate media folks like Mrs. Greenspan who babbled on incessantly about Hillary Clinton's email problem (Has Mrs. Greenspan mentioned Jared & Ivakna's email problems YET?) will be vetting and throwing in HER worthless 2 cents into the mix. I can even see a scenario where 'they' go after Bernie to release ALL of his taxes which is rich, since 'they' mostly still stay mum and cackling about tRumputin still not releasing HIS taxes
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)when it comes to the PEE-resident. Same goes for all the other Democrats in the race, who would have as many, if not more barrels aimed at them. But, they can ALL handle it, considering the competition on the Rethug side. Lose to that bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, lying POS?! Impossible!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
(7,170 posts)They may be the best that can be done about a horrible situation but they are never a good thing. The state of the economy and government that brings their necessity means both have failed miserably and bread lines are a last ditch effort to stop starvation. This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)They could have given us moldy cheese, meal soup and crackers and we wouldn't have starved. Would that be phenomenal? Did you grow up on food stamps and free lunches? Can you step back and see how you sound for a second?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)If I was destitute and, otherwise, would starve to death, I would much rather receive free nourishment via a food line. But, hey, that's just me... I would prefer living to dying. The fact that people can go to places where they distribute free food, whether it be bread, cheese, or anything that's edible - not moldy, unless it's BLUE cheese (love that stuff!) - is a great thing. Even better were that unnecessary, but, poor and homeless people still need a helping hand in this country... it's cruel to deny them that.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)"They may be the best that can be done about a horrible situation but they are never a good thing. The state of the economy and government that brings their necessity means both have failed miserably and bread lines are a last ditch effort to stop starvation. "
They are not a good thing, they are not phenomenal, they are a sign of a failed government and economy. I ate govt cheese, powdered milk, for desert we would put sugar on bread. Soup was our main dinner with grilled cheeses if we were lucky. Don't tell me that crap is a good thing. Don't tell me that was phenomenal unless you did it. Don't you even presume to bring your politics to something that obviously you don't know about and tell me it was a god damn good thing. It wasn't. It was subsistence poverty, with your mom working 12-16 hours a day and being a latch key kid, hardly any vegetables except maybe a can of green beans every now and then, heat being what wood you could cut and put in the wood stove. Please don't presume to tell me any of that was phenomenal because it wasn't at all.
A good thing,
SMH,
I guess I was the lucky one huh!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)I choose eating, thank you very much. And if food lines provide that option so as to keep the poorest of the poor alive, yes, THAT is a very good thing!! That doesn't preclude other methods and programs for meeting the needs of starving people.
That's all I'm saying and to bash Berne for stating the same thing is ridiculous. Bernie's heart is ALWAYS in the right place... some people need to recognize that and start showing him proper respect!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)subsistence food is a good thing is very worrisome. Extremely worrying. That should not be our standard at all. Its not mine. Its not a good thing to keep the poorest of the poor alive, that is the absolute least we should do and if that is all we are doing and then we call it a good thing fucking shame on us we are not worthy of being called human.
I never bashed Bernie at all, but to say anyone's heart is "ALWAYS in the right place" and "some people need to recognize that and start showing him proper respect!!", well, the living color video pretty much says what I think about that.
Eko.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)When did I say that all we should be doing is keeping the poorest of the poor alive and do nothing else for them?! That statement you made up doesn't pass the laugh test!! I never said that or even imtimated it... neither did Bernie. But, you already knew that... so why make up fantasy strawman arguments.that you can rail against? I think the answer is obvious.
Obviously, not having ANYONE on subsistence food to keep them from dying is ideal and should be the goal... but, since that's not REALITY, having subsistence food when the alternative is DEATH, yes, it's a good thing that we have that safety net in place in situations where it's necessary.
But, why twist my words? That only reveals the deficiency in your argument, thus, making my case. Thanks!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,170 posts)I never should have put the "all we should be doing" in there, I knew it was wrong when I did but I dont like to go back and change things to make me seem right, I would rather tell you that putting that in there was wrong. But once again, I am not talking about Bernie at all, I thought I made that obvious from the get go. Bread lines are not a good thing and the fact that you cant agree with me is very telling. We both can agree that they are sometimes a needed thing, but you continue to argue they are a good thing. If bread lines are a good thing should we have more of them? Of course not. Should we make the entirety of America subject to them? Of course not. If that is the case then how good are they actually? Are they not really all that good but instead a necessary thing that we need? A good thing implies that is is "to be desired or approved of." "having the qualities required for a particular role." "that which is morally right; righteousness." "that which is morally right; righteousness.". It can fit some of those definitions for sure, approved of? sure, people like to help others. To be desired? No. Having the qualities required for a particular role? Not applicable, that which is morally right; righteousness? Thats a crux there isnt it, its morally right for breadlines but not a society that enables it. A society that thinks breadlines are good is just like a society that thinks not kicking your dog is good. Both have no idea of what is really going on and think they are awesome for it.
SMH.
Eko
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Eko
(7,170 posts)If that is your revolution I want no part of that lol.
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dgauss
(880 posts)and it was pretty clear in that short clip. He was comparing countries where people who didn't have enough money to eat and those countries let people starve to a country where the government provided food to people who didn't have enough money to eat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
(7,170 posts)"This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(880 posts)The context is that if there are people who can't afford to eat, is it a good thing thing for the government to provide assistance?
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The government created that situation in the first place. Do you disagree?
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dgauss
(880 posts)Regardless, the clip is dealing with the reality that there are people who can't afford to eat. He is simply saying that it is good if the government provides food to those people who might otherwise starve.
He is also the most vocal candidate about the problems of wealth inequality, which I think is something directly related to having people in the situation of having to rely assistance in the first place.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
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WOW!!!!!!!
"This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches. "
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
40 million Americans are food insecure,* meaning they are often forced to skip meals, eat less at meals, buy cheap non-nutritious food and/or feed their children but not themselves.4
Over 12 million children in the US are food insecure.5
There are 15 million U.S. households suffering from food insecurity 11.8 percent of all U.S households.6
5.8 million U.S. households suffer from severe food insecurity, which means the people who live in them are often hungry.7
2.9 million households with children are food insecure at some time each year.8
40.6 million Americans currently rely on SNAP (Supplemental Assistance Program, formerly food stamps) to meet their food needs.9
92% of SNAP households have incomes below the poverty line. Additionally, 82% of all SNAP benefits go to the most vulnerable households those with children, elderly or disabled people.10
Among SNAP households with children, more than half of adults work while receiving SNAP, and almost 90 percent are employed the prior or subsequent year. SNAP helps Americans return to work, and increasingly, it helps those who already work, but do not receive a sufficient wage to feed themselves or their families.11
Many families suffering from hunger and poverty live in areas where fresh, unprocessed, healthy food is not available or is expensive, while the food they do have access to is nutritionally deficient.12
There are 39.7 million people living in poverty in the US, including 12.8 million children.13 Thats 1 in 6 American children.
2018 federal guidelines set the poverty rate at $25,100 for a family of four, but depending on a familys specific city and state of residence, the actual minimum amount required to raise a family could be two or three times that.15
The vast majority of people who grow, pick and process our food live in poverty and cannot afford to buy adequate healthy food. 86% of jobs in the food system offer very low wages at the poverty level and below the poverty level.16
Just the facts. Richest country in the world.
https://whyhunger.org/just-the-facts/
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Celerity
(42,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
riverine
(516 posts)Maybe the whole quote is fake?
Is that what you are saying?
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Celerity
(42,634 posts)why are you posting content from what is literally a RW Russian troll account?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
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riverine
(516 posts)Are you saying that Bernie is a Russian troll? a Soviet sympathizer? Do tell us more!
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R B Garr
(16,919 posts)many sources. These clips are out there regardless of the source, there is no denying that.
It will be interesting to see if there is outrage now over how the Russians helped 3 campaigns attack Hillary.
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Celerity
(42,634 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:27 AM - Edit history (1)
you say
which is obviously so so true and a strange question as there has been massive and justified outrage ever since the orange shitbag won, especially on this site
BUT
the OP just posted content from a YouTube channel that is doing EXACTLY THAT
doesn't seem like a good defence to me, but maybe I am just funny like that
as for the breadline comment, even selectively chopped to 12 seconds it seems innocuous
he is saying that countries who feed the poor are doing a good thing versus letting the rich get all the food and let the poor starve to death
not a Bernie fan, but this entire thing seems dodgy to me
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riverine
(516 posts)he is saying that countries who feed the poor are doing a good thing versus letting the rich get all the food and let the poor starve to death
In the USA we provide EBT on cards so that our poor don't stand in line NOR do the rest of us. Bernie WANTS US ALL IN LINES (per his direct quote).
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Celerity
(42,634 posts)almost 20 years later, in 2004
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/electronic-benefits-transfer.asp
so nope, that's weak sauce
and he never said he wanted ALL of our country in bread lines, that is simply a false statement
here is the full interview
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R B Garr
(16,919 posts)are out there. Your insinuation was that there was only one source for it, Russians, but there are numerous sources.
Btw, I havent seen massive outrage from certain corners of the political world about the attacks on Hillary, I guess because there was a core who couldnt bring themselves to admit that Hillary was harmed by what we see now coming out about the Mueller indictments something like a combination of 35 guilty pleas and criminal indictments of Russian interference.
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Celerity
(42,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)I phone type a lot and do lots of unexplainable things.
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OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)From When Bernie Sanders Thought Castro and the Sandinistas Could Teach America a Lesson
Warning: Some here might find the content at the link inconvenient.
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riverine
(516 posts)Holy shit. This guy is a disaster.
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Freddie
(9,231 posts)Will find everything hes ever said or done and make what they did to HRC look like complements. And honestly, some of those things dont look that great. His candidacy would be a disaster of epic proportions.
WE. HAVE. TO. WIN. Of all the folks running so far hes the least likely to get us over the finish line. Sorry.
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)They are not the future.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And many of them are on the left.
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R B Garr
(16,919 posts)it is very comprehensive.
I have to shake my head and cringe at virtually everything in there. Not good at all.
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betsuni
(25,122 posts)and jealously guarding their 'rigged system.'"
Thank you for posting that! Very interesting.
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dalton99a
(81,065 posts)contrary to some comments on the net
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rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)since it's normally very deliberately speaking about what we all want.
Although, now that you remind me, that public face actually did crack open and reveal something of the inner man when he promised his followers a few times (!) to misuse Democratic primary rules to take the nomination from the candidate who (ultimately overwhelmingly) received the popular vote -- and from the 17 million Democrats who voted for that candidate.
Btw, to any for whom his despicable attempt to carry out this absurd promise resulted in humiliating and disappointing defeat, the message that should be taken is "DON'T try, try again." WE don't do that/i].
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Buzz Lightyear
(73 posts)I view bread lines negatively.
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Gothmog
(143,998 posts)No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
There is a ton of strong opposition research out there that will come out this cycle
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Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)I don't expect they will slow down anytime soon.
At this point is just more of the same
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)scrutiny of past statements, and anyone who applies the same to a favorite is simply a "hater" or "detractor."
People with ambitions to be the Democratic Nominee for the most powerful office in the world are going to be vetted, and there are going to be Democrats who don't think that they are the right choice. This is why we have primaries instead of just having Party Leaders select the candidate.
A candidate who is clearly preparing for a Democratic POTUS run for years is going to receive the scrutiny of their past, vetting, and fact checking and that all other Democratic POTUS candidates get.
No exceptions.
You may want to accept that now, or the next year is going to be very stressful for you.
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Gothmog
(143,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(143,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)The GOP has a great oppo file on sanders https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for ita long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.
Then theres the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermonts nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words environmental racist on Republican billboards. And if you cant, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.
Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die, while President Daniel Ortega condemned state terrorism by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was patriotic.
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Regardless of your ideology an economy that has shortages of staples like bread which results in lines is a crappy one. Period
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Gothmog
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