Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThis "release tax returns to be a candidate" debate is simple, I solved it for you.
No liberal, no democrat, no progressive would support someone who hides their tax returns.
So this requirement will make our choices easier, right?
Eventually, each candidate will release what they release and it will be very easy to determine who is hiding something and who isnt.
Problem solved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)I could release more than ten years' worth of mine today; they're in a cardboard box a few feet away from me. People who have the wherewithal to run for federal office probably have accountants who store these things electronically. One phone call to the accountant should take care of it. What's the big problem? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who won't do it is hiding something - not necessarily criminal, but maybe something uncomfortable or embarrassing. Too bad. Cough 'em up, and do it before the debates if you want my vote. If you want me to vote for you I need to know who you are, warts and all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)at the level of income these folks are, so getting copies is simple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)When I did my own I always made mistakes; now I have someone else do them and it's a big relief.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I could get some but not all, but I am sloppy that way.
Surely if all else failed a person could request them from the IRS, can you do that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)But they charge a fee. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/what-taxpayers-should-know-about-tax-return-copies-and-transcripts
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,441 posts)They are generally easy to use and can be used even by people with somewhat complex tax situations. Producing hard copies of a return would take only a few minutes.
From what Ive read of the Sanders tax situation, he should have been able to use this software. The only thing time consuming is preparing to enter the data, eg for people who do a lot of traveling, or sell a rental property or stocks, and have a lot of receipts. But all of this would have been finished by now, except for 2018.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)
....it automatically saves a copy. It can be save two ways - as a turbotax data file (this year will be *.tax2018) and/or as a .pdf file. Options can be chosen to save just the pages to be filed or all pages including worksheets and backup data.
Simple. Doesn't take three years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,441 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's unlikely that they do their own taxes. At their income level plus all the real estate they own, they would almost have to use an CPA. I don't think Jane is one. And that CPA would have to keep copies of their returns, and give them a copy. Unless they failed to file which would be another problem, they should have ready access to their tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I made the mistake of being in business with someone not a liberal.
BAD mistake.
Long story.
Not a 1% and I wish I was because of the 65 things I will do today, 63 of them will be because I dont have enough money not to do something else, think about it.
I just responded to something you didnt say, sorry. Somewhere else I mentioned a loss I had equal to Hillary and Bill's tiny real estate debacle. As in it was NOTHING then but the GOP had to make something out of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....they're copied onto a SD card, and backed up onto two other hard drives.
A year ago I got a letter from the IRS telling me I owed $21,000 in back taxes, interest, and penalties. My bank failed to send in the proper paperwork for a rolled over IRA. I had all the documentation collected in about 15 minutes and my response (21 pages) done in a couple of hours. Two months later I got a letter again, "Balance Due: $0.00"!
Anyone who doesn't have ready access to years of tax returns is asking for trouble.
When I announce my candidacy, it will be accompanied by 10 years of tax returns!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I'm sure I'm not alone in the sentiment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)in transparency.
Right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)then you really need to look up that definition of the word.
You have solved nothing. You're just providing cover for someone who is not being transparent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)We've been waiting 3+ years for BS ... how much more patience are we supposed to have?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....and some other negative things he's done, I've eliminated him as a viable candidate in my mind.
This time around is going to be very difficult considering the alternatives.
Warren is going to suck off some of his support in NH and MA, maybe even VT
Harris and Booker will dominate the southern states
Harris will dominate in CA and probably OR, WA, AZ, NV
O'Rourke will dominate in TX and some other states like NM and OK
Buttigieg and Klobuchar will get a lot of support in the midwest
Booker will dominate in NJ and PA
Even Gillibrand, who isn't a top tier candidate yet, will get a lot of support in NY, as will Booker
Other than VT, I don't see Sanders having much support anywhere else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Not releasing taxes is like "Pleading-the-Fifth"... it doesn't prove wrongdoing, but it sure is fishy... and it makes people wonder what's being hidden.
And, it's a huge, classless and unmistakable "fuck-you!" message to the voters and other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)It isnt proof of wrongdoing, but its the way a guilty person would act.
Candidates have been voluntarily releasing their tax returns for a long time. Its something thats expected (unlike, say, birth certificates, which Obama released anyway). If a candidate doesnt release them, we have to wonder what that candidate is trying to hide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)If you have nothing to hide, show them. You are asking a population to put their trust in you to help run some segment of their government (local, state, federal) and they are showing their faith/trust in you. Just prove that you deserve their faith/trust to be responsible for their safety and responsible running of their government.
If you can't do that - don't run. Like Eliot said, "simple!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Whatever we may feel about the past, and what was or was not potentially acceptable then, we have rounded a corner and there is no going back. Releasing one's tax returns is as fundamental to running as a Democrat for President now as is defending the social safety net.
"Eventually, each candidate will release what they release and it will be very easy to determine who is hiding something and who isn't." Exactly true.
In the case of Sanders in specific, either his returns will indicate no real issues when he releases them, or whatever issues there may be will be out there for all to openly weigh, or he will not adequately release his returns for a suitable number of years past.
If it is the latter he is D.O.A. as a potential Democratic Party candidate. I could not in any way support Sanders getting the nomination under those circumstances. Among even those who view him overall favorably, I am confident large numbers feel the same as I do, and that would doom his candidacy.
Personally I expect Sanders will release his returns but no point in speculating. Either he will or won't and all of us will soon know which.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalBrooke
(527 posts)My attorney asked for 7 years of tax returns and it took me 15 minutes to get them. Bernie is once again avoiding releasing them. What is he hiding?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,516 posts)and I use TurboTax. When I'm finished I can download a complete copy to my computer. Copies of each year are also saved online to be accessed and downloaded at any time
There is absolutely no excuse for releasing his taxes except possibly discrepancies the records may show. Of course, the speculation of what's in the returns is causing more damage to his campaign than knowing...IMHO.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Who doesnt release ten years of their taxes. That doesnt mean Im not a progressive. It is something I take under consideration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,307 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)Otherwise it is too late to take your vote back. I would be pissed if I got blindsided.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iggo
(47,551 posts)Um, unless they're the Dem nominee in the General.
Then I'll support the fuck out of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,149 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,149 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden