Getting really tired of this. There is absolutely no explanation that makes any sense.

[redqueen]

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Link to tweet

It has been going on for months. It's really blatant at this point.

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/a-visual-history-of-the-yang-media-blackout

[redqueen]

1. A question of basic fairness and just...

silence.

Wow.

[Uncle Joe]

2. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread redqueen.

[redqueen]

13. I don't understand how this isn't blatantly obvious.

Is it really so hard to see the problem?

Really?

[SterlingPound]

3. after all it is not like there isnt a whole year until the election damn it

[floppyboo]

4. 3 months to primaries. Into 4th quarter. Not a year. Unless you want independants nt

[SterlingPound]

5. that is more an example of the ridiculousness of our broken election system.

IMO

[floppyboo]

7. What is ridiculous? That it is so long? And who bores everyone to death?

Yes, agreed. Way too much time for people to spend who are spending because that's all they've got.

Now Bernie, on the other hand, has a mission, and this long cycle is driving the message home, even if it is driving all the political junkies crazy!!! Same old spiel - over and over -doesn't need to shift it because it is his core - and his followers (me included) love to watch the huge rallies and people coming out! It is inspiring to see the numbers not only hang in but grow!

Love me some of that campaign and all the people working hard with passion!

[SterlingPound]

8. honestly id rather he be in DC

or back in his home state having a life instead of non stop campaigning.

I am all for a 2 month campaign cycle in total.

[floppyboo]

9. I don't think the founders envisaged a media gong show

Being a canadian, and having much more civilized leadership contests (although arguably not less corrupt) which evade most of the media scrutiny - I can't agree more. But because of the parliamentary system, a leader is chosen when they have a no confidence vote - it's not a pageant - and then only those who are registered politely submit their choice by mail. [edit or attend a 3 day convention, easier if the party's contender pays your bus fare]
I'm not entirely sure this is better.
What do you see as an alternative?

[SterlingPound]

10. It would be a systematic overhaul forsure

but as for specifics i can only toss stuff into the conversation and hope they get picked up or just influence a few.

but for one at this point i dont give a hang about what the FF have to say anymore, i think i have heard quiet enough of other people telling me what our founding fathers thought.

and i am more interested in what works

and what we have right now isnt working.

[floppyboo]

16. Apologies - I should have said 'people in general before mass media'

So, aside from being dis-satisfied, would you consider an electoral loss to be reason for a 'snap' kind of election? Then, a leader at the same level of the executive branch would have that much more time to make the party's case? While there is no formal seat for such a person, the media could non the less focus on that, rather than the circus.
I suppose that would have led to Sanders being the spokesperson after Clinton, as no one else was contesting. But if the rules allowed for the possibility that there would have been a number of contestants at the convention whose names would have come up, say, in the lame duck session, to become spokesperson - and the whole party would rally around - until 4 years were up... barring some unseemly event (vote of non-confidence - still less expensive than what is) - what do you think of that?

And I do apologize again. I have no idea what a rich white man was thinking when the constitution was written.

[floppyboo]

17. i guess that's what the DNC is though - or could be. Perez for President?? nt

[SterlingPound]

18. I have been advocating for a overhaul for decades its a hatred that has lasted long before the last

election

and honestly the last change of the millennium.

I have a brother that pushes for more of a parliamentarian system

i for one am not advocating a change of our government but a tweaks of the election system alone

i think we need an amendment at the federal election level that still leaves local state elections alone and our representation system alone( much to the chagrin of my brother,lol).


We need a change of campaign donation laws and one amendment that actually has been put up but not voted on is that only living beings can donate to our electors and that part curbs the big corporate money.

Then you still have to even up individual donations and that requires dealing with the pacs and how our politician can get bundled donations and that requires a different fix but can still be addressed on the amendment

i wont pretend to give an answer to what that would be because no matter what i said it won't but used anyway and usually just leads to digressions away from any real progress of the discussion from personal experience.

we also have to deal with Primaries at the federal level and yes that means stripping the power of when they will have them from the states NH and IOWA holding the rest of the nation hostage has become ridiculousness and a farce at the world level IMO.

there is undoubtedly lots more and as soon as i hit enter 20 more things will pop up but in discussions like this most of the ideals i have had have come and gone with age and senility, but the more we talk the more they come back

Our debates are a farce as well and honestly do more harm than good to our Nation.

[floppyboo]

20. Hey - but Dems have the majority of Govs now, so don't stop speaking out!

Do you think it might be better if all the primaries were held on the same day? I feel that would be awesome if there was ranked choice voting. It would allow people more individual freedom to vote their convictions rather than strategically.

Also, I consider this a tangential thread to the original, so hit send, and sit back and send again! I am enjoying the discourse.

If there was a magical button here where you could hit - tangent ' and then it could turn into something more meaningful than an us versus them #character limit speak - I'd be so happy!

I am not a member of this board to stir up dust. I truly appreciate the thoughtful responses!
(ps - never mind that I love Elizabeth! First woman POTUS!)

[SterlingPound]

21. I agree with both of those

Rank choice voting and Primaries on the same day


Hell, i would even be so magnanimous as to compromise with people and break the USA into three or four areas during the primary part of the election cycle and they can do those on week one to 4 and then have the general election shortly after

so they don't have to cover so much area in such a short time

but we do need some kind of amendment so that all of our citizens on the federal level can now vote under the same laws and restrictions,
we now have a quarter of our citizens at disenfranchised and mercy of corrupt state factions

And it is BULLSHIT AND NOTHING MORE!!!

this isn't the 1700 and FF's be damned

We need what works not what is tradition!

[floppyboo]

25. so do you think the governor's can do it? Would be sweet!

[SterlingPound]

26. there are a couple of ways to do it and not all are preferable right now

but id take any way that would work.

[redqueen]

14. What does that have to do with including a candidate who dropped out weeks ago

but omitting one that polled at 3% - same as Harris and Klobuchar?

[brooklynite]

6. Yawn.....

If I have this right, you’re complaining that the media isn’t covering your candidate by hiding the amount of time the media is covering your candidate...

(FWIW the media coverage data was from a month ago when Beto was still in the race)

[redqueen]

15. Are you kidding me? The date of the polling is RIGHT THERE

Nov 8-13


Now, think really hard - or better yet just Google it. When did O'Rourke drop out?

[brooklynite]

19. I'm talking about the media coverage slide

And as for the polling, if they’re willing to show the strength of both progressives (Sanders, Warren) and moderates (Biden, Buttigieg), the notion that there’s an intent to “hide” Yang is silly.

[redqueen]

22. So you're seriously saying that including O'Rourke and omitting Yang is fair.

[brooklynite]

23. I'm challenging the notion of intent...

The media is not out to get Yang. He’s failing to break in to the top tier on his own.

[redqueen]

24. So this pattern of erasure going back for months -

it's just coincidence?

What do you think is the perfectly logical explanation for including a candidate who dropped out weeks ago, but leaving off a candidate who is polling in 6th place?

[Midnight Writer]

11. What is a 15-second cable news clip? I don't understand what is being measured here.

[redqueen]

12. They're reporting on recent polls. They included o'rourke

but left out Yang, who polled at 3% along with Harris and Klobuchar.

Is it really so hard to understand?

[FreeState]

27. Why should he have been in the graphic?

I’m missing something.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-media-frenzy-around-biden-is-fading/

[redqueen]

28. He got 3% in the poll. O'Rourke isn't even running but was included

[FreeState]

29. No the data referenced is 1.4

Lower than anyone in the graphic.

Here’s the source:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-media-frenzy-around-biden-is-fading/

[redqueen]

30. In the second graphic Bennett is at 1% NT

[redqueen]

31. In the first graphic they're talking about news coverage. And Yang isn't even metnioned at all.

Seriously.

I just don't even know what to say anymore at this point.

I never expected so much energy to be expended in order to deny this is happening.

There aren't enough WTF gifs / smileys in the world to do this justice.

[FreeState]

32. In the first graphic he isn't mentioned because

He doesn’t fit on the chart - he fell below the lowest candidate mentioned.

These two graphics are not measuring the same thing, they aren’t comparable. I agree Yang should be in the second one.

[redqueen]

33. Correct - the one I posted was the second one, but for some reason it includes the one above it

which is super helpful /s