Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumDon't panic folks, the Iowa numbers are screwy for a reason.
Our uber left is shifting again. And they will shift again. everybody breathe. Bernie is back up a little. Warrens people are still with her, and Bidens people are still with him. Mayor Pete is well liked, but there are things out there in the ether just like everyone else that will send the uber left shifting again. And do not think for a second that Amy Klobachar will not take off next month.
This is going to be a crazy caucus.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)Other than things change, what data points to her having any ability to rise with the voters?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)The other side starts attacking a candidate and a few (Lord I hope a few) run to another candidate .. looking for the perfect..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)She loaded up on Warren at the last debate as did Pete, we see who got the most out of that exercise. Im sure it will be Petes turn this time, but shell have lots of company.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Plenty of time and debates between now and then.
Amy doesnt need to win Iowa. She just has to do well enough to remain in the race, and gain support as others drop off.
Shes doing just fine thank you very much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Because she is smart, talented, moderate, from the Midwest, and is female.
She is rising because voters are beginning to see alternatives. The same reason why Pete is rising.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)I havent seen her over 3% and that with a 4-5% error factor.
I do not even understand why she allowed on the debate stage this late. Its time to start turning the corner and narrow down the field.
I'm sorry but Amy, Booker and several others have no chance of winning and it just takes up time on the debate stage and viewers are tuning out and not hearing the candidates that actually have a real chance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)His supporters are celebrating,
not panicking.
Maybe Biden, Warren, and Sanders supporters are panicking?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)major political experience. Look at our numb nuts so-called-president now, rump. Idiot.
Mayor Pete would be a refreshing walk in the park and he's served on the front lines too (military service).
Not like our bone spurs so-called president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)does not help Buttigeig's case as Trump is a disaster. I would of course vote for him in a general but never a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)to be competent in his responses to questions and has held up very well under stress and besides, it's time for an outsider to come in, not a billionaire (or worse) to step up. After all, rump is a disaster. Pete is anything but, and would be a breath of fresh air, and a competent president, after all, unlike rump, he can put together an outstanding cabinet, like anyone can.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)policy. He of course has my support in a general but not a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)the job. After rump, I'm thinking anybody can do a better job of foreign relations. Anyone literally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)mine. Numbers don't lie though, and a recent poll has Buttigeig gaining steadily, and constantly, where Biden is seeming to struggle somewhat. Primary season will id the winners that all of us will support, when the time comes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)No one wins the nomination without AA support -fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)constantly. The NY Times had an article on Pete B, which I only copied part of below (too long). In any event, I will support the candidate at the end, in our joint efforts to get rid of rump from the WH. I, IMHO, feel like it's Pete and perhaps proof of this is that he keeps popping up in people's minds, despite all of the nay sayers.
Pete Buttigieg Jumps Out to Lead in Iowa Poll
Mr. Buttigieg had a surprisingly robust lead in the latest Des Moines Register and CNN poll. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and Joseph R. Biden Jr. were in a statistical tie for second.
DES MOINES Pete Buttigieg continues to surge in Iowa, leapfrogging Senator Elizabeth Warren and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to hold a commanding lead among likely Democratic caucusgoers, according to a new poll from The Des Moines Register and CNN.
The poll showed that Mr. Buttigieg, the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Ind., was the first choice for 25 percent of would-be Democratic caucusgoers, a significant increase from the 9 percent he held in September, when The Register last polled the state. The support placed him far ahead of the rest of the field with the other three top candidates in a virtual tie for second: Ms. Warren at 16 percent and Mr. Biden and Senator Bernie Sanders at 15 percent.
The results are the latest evidence of Mr. Buttigiegs strength in Iowa, where his moderate political views, plain-spoken style and military history have resonated in the early voting state. Since September, when he placed fourth in the Register poll, he has more than doubled his on-the-ground staff to over 100 and has opened more than 20 field offices. He recently completed another bus tour in the state.
etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)The Mid West...He is not going to win the primary IMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)that only the great Biden can beat Trump?
Biden is the savior for America
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MBS
(9,688 posts)Although he obviously cannot match Biden's decades of experience, his foreign policy address in the spring was very well received, and his comments on foreign policy matters throughout the campaign have been unfailingly knowledgeable, incisive and nuanced, even when he's asked questions on the fly. He has a real feel for this stuff, and his experience in Afghanistan adds extra richness to his policy insights.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)firm IMO that he is not experienced enough in foreign policy. American soldiers should not be sent to Mexico or anywhere to kill drug lords...not our job.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)e.g., Columbia. Really funny because of 1 proposal, that mayor Pete is now not experienced enough in foreign policy. Not our job...what? I say look at rump and his idiotic forays in Ukraine and the big joke of foreign policy moves undertaken by the rump admin. Anything that Mayor Pete does will be a godsend compared to rump and Pete has served in the military, not president Bone Spurs.
Despite spending 100s of millions of dollars in S. America etc., to fight these org., build up their police forces with such aid, it hasn't worked (development of overseas, effective police forces). What do you recommend? Years past and the spending of 100s of millions of dollars hasn't worked. Strict enforcement of the laws on the books on trafficking hasn't worked, nothing has worked (other than the possible legalization which is a different issue/solution not discussed here).
I'm more sure Pete has experience dealing w/ illegal drugs on the front lines far more than a lot of folks being that he's right on the front lines (a city mayor). Far more upfront and personal in dealing w/ drugs. Definitely not rump since you can see the sniffling he does literally every day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)I don't give a crap about fighting drug lords in sovereign nations...not our job. I do not want one cent of our money spent or one young life lost in the pursuit of trying to eliminate crime abroad...we can eliminate it right here and not using the military by the way...one poster pointed out that such a policy would draw white supremacists who want to kill brown people...no no and no.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)didnt lead him to support the Iraq war
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)He will not be our nominee...but if the knocks Warren off in Iowa... I am not unhappy with that result. I think Mayor Pete is smart and has a future if he leaves Indiana but he will not be our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Some think he should run for governor of Indiana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)We'll end up with the same four leaders in the Primaries we already have. Then, we'll have New Hampshire, which will produce a similar result.
Nevada and South Carolina will reaffirm that there are four leaders, too.
We will have to wait for Super Tuesday to know who is on top and is most likely to become the Democratic nominee.
The early primaries are not going to matter in 2020. Not one bit.
Who will be the nominee? Look at the bottom of this post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)every other case, the candidate who won Iowa, won the nomination. Not meaningless, a substantial boost to the campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Mark my words.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)one prediction is as meaningless as another, marked or otherwise Completely discounting the ubiquitous experience of momentum is a courageous assumption.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Some will be right. Some will be wrong. In the end, what I predict doesn't matter at all. Things will turn out as they turn out.
Perhaps many people will be surprised come next November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Yikes. The only surprise I am looking for in November is trump not on the ticket.
Never doubt that DU'er's supporting their candidates are not 100% committed to seeing that psycho out the door, one way or another. The suggestion that some candidates are certain to lose the GE, carries with it the worst sort of insult to their supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)In reality, the candidate who is most likely to win next November will become the nominee, because we have a convention made up of delegates from every state. Voters decide who's delegates go to the convention, just as they will decide who wins in the general election.
I think I know who the nominee will be, although I admit I could be wrong about that. I do know, with absolute certainty, that I will be voting for our party's nominee. I have done that in every presidential election since 1968, the first election I could vote in. I realize that not everyone has the same commitment to supporting the Democratic nominee. Unfortunately, that attitude led to Donald Trump winning in the electoral college. The EC will still be there in 2020, once again. it's not going to go away. I hope we learned something, as a political party.
It is my hope that Donald J. Trump will not be on the 2020 ballot. I think he will not. In any case, it is going to take a solid commitment by Democrats, a strong GOTV effort in every state, and a turnout the likes of which we have not seen for a very long time to guarantee that a Democrat is inaugurated in January of 2021. The same conditions at the election will also ensure that we regain a majority in the Senate and increase our majority in the House.
If we can manage to do that, regardless of which Democrat is on the ballot, we will be in a position to make some marvelous progress over the ensuing four years. If not, then we will not. That is what is at stake.
So, we will have a Democratic nominee for President. I think I know who that will be, but I might have that wrong. I expect every Democrat to vote for our nominee, since to do otherwise is to lend support to the destruction of this nation.
I'll be 75 years old next November. It could well be my last presidential election. I hope that election goes well. Truly I do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I very much hope not. I remember you from way as a voice of sensible sanity. Once in 2008, you warded me away form pizza suicide.
Sometimes of I think of people who passed away in 2000 & 2016, thinking that the country was back ontrack. Never having to experience the disasters that followed. I think that's how I would like to go: A Dem President, Senate & House.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)I certainly hope that you'll be with us next year ... and beyond!
I will be 76 in another month and I'm planning to hang in there as long as I can!
Of course, sometimes the choice isn't ours!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Mayb those two stepped on a crack
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I know who Ill be voting for in NV.
But unlike the other supporters, if Amy didnt make it, Im not going to trash Biden. Hed get my vote over Warren or Sanders. Even more likely if he would pick a moderate midwestern female VP....but thats just me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)We won't make that mistake again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)(sadly) sexist country. I just want to beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)She can't win a Presidential election, though. She's just not well-enough known. I think she has probably reached her peak position as a Senator. I hope she sticks with that.
She might possibly get the VP nod, if Biden is the nominee. However, I think Biden will pick Harris, for other reasons.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)California so we don't get an additional state or the chance of one. She has some baggage which I will not discuss here. But you can look it up...why is she a good choice? I would pick Sen. Klobachar over her anytime. I like Sen. Harris. If we want a Black woman...Stacy Abrams would be a good choice and we might get Georgia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Neither Harris and Klobuchar are particularly progressive. At least compared to the Sanders/Warren model. Harris has made a slightly bigger national splash than Amy has, and is more dynamic on the campaign trail.
I know what Harris's baggage is. Why is she a good choice? Well, she's a woman, and that's a big factor. She is also a woman of color, which couldn't hurt in 2020. She has youth on her side, which may be more important than anything else. Klobuchar won't add any states, and I doubt that Abrams would bring Georgia along, either. Harris has a certain broad appeal with younger voters that is a little hard to define, I think, but paired with Biden, who is the "Ancient of Days" really, she'll make a good second for him. She gives a good speech, is personable, and is younger. Those are the three main things.
The decision on a VP candidate is a weird thing. A VP candidate can definitely hurt, but can't help all that much, really. A favorite son or daughter might bring in a state, but mostly the VP candidate is a sideperson for the main candidate. Harris could play that role pretty well, and has youth on her side, which could be an important factor.
I'd rather have Amy there as VP candidate, but I don't think she resonates very well in most places. She does great in Minnesota and has bipartisan support, but we know her here. Everywhere else, she's a stranger, though.
Just my opinion, of course.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Overall
As you suggest, Klobuchar has the in fracture in place to stage a come back.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Then let the fracture continue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)claims Bernie has opened up 22 offices in Iowa
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)so it's quite possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dustyscamp
(2,221 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,283 posts)No, probably not. The dancing is too good, and the shirt color is too subdued.
Maybe we'll see him dancing with Kanye on the Joel Osteen show.
Anyway, keep dancing folks, Pete would be a fine president. I'd be happy to vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,666 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)A consensus in Iowa doesn't develop until late in the process. No reason at this point for anyone to be overly excited or disappointed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)people came prepared and were convincing in caucus. They did an amazing job. It is the nature of the caucus, you will not really have a clue of who is going to win, till its over!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jewls2
(218 posts)into them. By the time I stepped in, the winner was pretty much reality. 2016 of course that reality existed but we had a contender that kept the race going, regardless of math. This season, I started paying attention way early and seems to be going on for a long time. Lots of shifts. And we still have a ways to go. Up and downs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided