Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi think we shouldn't get too radical in our campaign positions...

[brooklynite]

...but what do they know when compared to the opinion of the blogosphere?

[BeyondGeography]

1. They seem concerned.

Are the “radicals” catching on or something? If so, why would that be?

[Dream Girl]

3. They're "concerned" because they don't want us to fuck it up.

I am. Aren’t you?

[BeyondGeography]

5. I don't need my hand held, do you?

Every Democratic nominating contest I’ve seen was decided by voters and I understood the wisdom of their choice, even if I didn’t always agree. Seems the “adults” in the room are getting a little thumby on the scales at this still very early stage. Not sure I understand the wisdom of that choice.

[brooklynite]

13. "The wisdom of their choice" has been known to lose.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Yes, the safer kind of choice, like where we're being steered now.

[Cha]

156. Maybe you're being "steered now".. I am not. President Obama is still helping

to Win Elections.. that's why we're here.

Link to tweet

Btw, as you know EW has "retreated from mfa" .. was she being "steered"?

Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287347526

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

26. Yeah..So has lame-assed timidity

[beastie boy]

37. Who in your opinion is more lame-assed timid, Obama or Pelosi?

[whathehell]

150. Never said that of either one,

but I think too much reticence and resistance to change can lead there.

[Cha]

157. Yeah, because someone doesn't think like they

do some have to resort to insults.

They do nothing to make their case.

[George II]

67. Yes, and here we go with that "thumb on the scale" stuff again. Gets wearisome, don't you think?

[Thekaspervote]

18. Just my opinion I don't see it as thumbs on a scale, they are stating their seasoned opinion

And advice. No candidate should take offense. They have our very best interest at heart

[George II]

87. Seasoned opinion indeed - a woman who never lost an election (31 years) and a man who never lost...

...an election (22 years).

Why should we listen to them????????????????????

[Cha]

96. Oh the UMBRAGE of some on Speaker Pelosi and Presiden Obama

giving their opinions! I do declare!

[Cha]

27. They don't wanna hold your hand.. that's your interpretation.

[beastie boy]

35. You are not suggesting that Obama and Pelosi are infringing on anyone's freedom to vote

as they please, are you?

How does Obama and Pelosi speaking up amount to getting thumby or holding your hand? It's not like they are pressuring anyone. Can't voters just hear them out and make up their own minds?

I don't quite get your use of metaphors.

[Demsrule86]

88. Pelosi and Obama have great political instincts...and I believe we lose if we run left.

This simply can't happen.

[mcar]

119. They don't get to have an opinion?

I trust their judgement.

[BeyondGeography]

120. Before your own?

[mcar]

123. Huh?

[Cha]

136. That doesn't make sense.

[Cha]

8. Prescisely, Dream Girl.. Everyone who Wants trump outta

there damn well better be "Concerned"!

[DownriverDem]

47. So right

Too many folks are not focusing on the electorate in the General Election.

[at140]

106. Was Hillary extreme?

Nope, she was not, yet she lost the EV.
It is about time to try something different, something which has appeal from the downtrodden vast 90%.

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. If you're not concerned, you're not paying attention

[Cha]

7. EXACTLY.

[ancianita]

9. I pay attention almost every day, for hours, and I seriously don't know who you're talking about.

Please elaborate on who the radicals are.

[questionseverything]

85. evidently the radicals are those who think every1 should have decent healthcare

[ancianita]

165. That one thing? So the fear is, taxpayer money spent on taxpayers for healthcare is radical?

Re decent healthcare, when the Social Security Administration runs Medicare For All, it will do so with money saved by health care recipients who pay far more for insurance-based healthcare premiums and overhead ("administrative costs&quot , which cost Americans MANY TIMES MORE times than Medicare's overhead. https://pnhp.org/resource/pnhp-research-the-case-for-a-national-health-program/

Any taxes will be far less than premium payments to privatized health providers, with the advantage of permanent 24/7 coverage and no wrangling with paperwork and tricksy a la cart fees and charges.

I daresay MFA sounds pretty conservative, not radical at all.

[msongs]

2. Im gonna take away your current healthcare - works for me lol nt

[Cha]

6. Damn Straight they're "Concerned".. they want to WIN

this thing and they know how to do it.

I stand with Speaker Pelosi and President Barack Obama!

[emmaverybo]

11. Damn straight, Cha. They know what they are talking about! They know we, the people,

can not afford to lose.

[Cha]

14. Yes, I love that about Speaker Pelosi and President Barack

Obama, emmaverybo.

They have our interests at heart.. not their own.

[Thekaspervote]

19. Here here!

[Gothmog]

170. I'm not willing to take a chance of four more years of Trump and gamble the election away

Link to tweet

[Cha]

179. More Winning With Moderates and President Obama in Louisiana!

Link to tweet

Thanks for the tweet, Goth!

[J_William_Ryan]

10. President Obama knows how to win presidential elections.

[whathehell]

28. He knows how to win them for himself..

Not sure how he does for others..He didn't do so well for Hillary.

[Cha]

32. Oh yeah, Blame Hillary getting cheated out of the Presidency

on President Barack Obama.. 'cause that's ridiculous.

[questionseverything]

86. remind me who was in charge of prosecuting illegal doing while hc was getting cheated pls?

[Thekaspervote]

38. Oh come on!!

[whathehell]

149. "Come on" what?

[Cha]

151. Exactly, Kasper! "Come on!!" as President Obama

would say.

[George II]

59. ...

[whathehell]

148. Love that!

We don't agree on everything, but Barack still rocks! :

[George II]

12. I think Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi know a bit more about how this works than....

....most Americans, particularly those in front of a keyboard.

[Gothmog]

203. Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Democrats

I and other true Democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. We hope to pick up six congressional seats in addition to the two seats we flipped in 2018. We have a chance to defeat Cornyn in the Senate. The Democrats picked up 12 seats in the Texas House and need 9 more to take control of the Texas House prior to the next redistricting session. If Biden is the nominee, Texas will be a battleground state. If Warren or sanders is the nominee. Texas will not be a battle ground state and we can forget about keeping the two seats that we flipped in 2018

Speaker Pelosi is worried about losing control of the House with a weak top of the ballot ticket with a program that will kill down ballot candidates
.

Link to tweet

The most-vulnerable Democrat in Colorado’s state House, Bri Buentello, is dreading door-knocking in her rural district now that Elizabeth Warren dropped her massive “Medicare for All” plan into the presidential arena.
“This is going to cause down-ballot damage in swing districts and states if she’s the nominee,” Buentello says, describing how her Pueblo-area constituents — who voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in 2016 — were already echoing criticisms about a giant, one-size-fits-all big government run plan that cancels private health insurance and raises taxes.
Story Continued Below

The fear of blowback is indicative of the broad and largely negative response to Warren’s proposal from centrist, moderate and rural Democrats — many of whom, like Buentello, back Joe Biden in the primary. And it exposes the fault line between those who fret about winning voters in the center and the activist progressive base propelling Warren to the front of the Democratic pack.

The long-awaited plan to raise the $20.5 trillion she says is needed to pay for single-payer health care in America is Warren’s attempt to answer critics after weeks of questions from rival candidates about the cost of her proposal and the prospect of higher taxes. Warren promised, as she has in the past, that "not one penny in middle-class tax increases” is necessary to finance the effort.

[aidbo]

15. No comment

Link to tweet

[BeyondGeography]

21. I remember that guy. I like that clip.

[PhoenixDem]

23. What about the heart attack and health issues? m/t

[Voltaire2]

17. Two centrists demand centrism!

[Cha]

20. Two WINNERS SUGGEST WAYS TO WIN.

[peggysue2]

24. LOL!!

Two winners know the way to win.

Denigrating Obama and Pelosi with the centrist label proves the OP's comment:

But then what do they know compared to the opinion of the blogosphere?


Oy!

[Cha]

25. Precisely, Peggysue!

"Denigrating Obama and Pelosi with the centrist label proves the OP's comment:"

Not Working.. Winning is Everything and I Always will listen to those Winners I know and respect over "Blogsophere".

[Thekaspervote]

39. No!!! Really??

[Cha]

41. Yes.. too bad about those who choose to take it personally

like Speaker Pelosi and President Obama don't have this Nation and Planet's best interests at heart.

[whathehell]

29. Yuuup!

[Cha]

33. NOPE! TWO WINNERS ARE SUGGESTING WAYS TO WIN!

[melman]

34. If only there was a way to know what would happen if you run a centrist against Trump

Hmm...if only..

[Cha]

40. If only some understood Hillary Got 66 Million VOTES against

trump and the LIES of Jill Fucking Stein lost her votes in SWING STATES because Jill FUCKING STEIN and ssarandon Lied that Hillary was WORSE that that fucking idiot in the wh.

Link to tweet

If they only could GET IT about the Russian interference in the election that's been Reported on for years on the TV.

If ONLY.

[melman]

43. Do you remember who was the number one Hillary basher on this site in '08?

I do. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.

[Cha]

45. Jill RAT FUCKING Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016.

Link to tweet

[melman]

51. I'll take that as a yes

If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.

[Cha]

54. Jill Stein's Money Grab.. Stein is a Fraud..

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-happened-to-jill-steins-recount-millions

[melman]

56. Great

Feel free to show me anywhere I've made pro-Stein posts. You can't.

[Cha]

60. "48. Hillary and Bernie voted the same way 93% when they were in the Senate."

to betsuni! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=348103

[melman]

70. That's not me making a pro-Stein post

[Cha]

71. The Point is.. your "centrist" meme is so WRONG.

[melman]

73. What does that have to do with the post about Jill Stein?

this post here --->https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=348122

[Cha]

75. Your centrist" meme is wrong that's the point. Hillary didn't

lose because of "centrist" as you posted.

And, a big reason trump got in was because of RF jill Fucking stein's LIES about Hillary.

[George II]

79. Careful, don't get caught on this:

?1512300250

[ehrnst]

199. Good luck with that...

When someone believes that what they think determines what is and isn't fact...

[Cha]

205. Someone had a meme and

is sticking to it no matter how much proof to the contrary.

[George II]

63. Sure. Let's see them.

[melman]

66. Advanced search

upper right corner. Knock yourself out.

[George II]

68. Ah, so you DON'T have any. BTW, in case you didn't notice, "advanced search".....

...only goes back to 2011, not 2008.

[betsuni]

82. And advanced search is only available to Star Members, so how does a non-star member

access it? Odd.

[George II]

83. Bazinga.........

[sheshe2]

91. +++++

[NurseJackie]

177. Ha!

You're funny!

[sheshe2]

89. Please pull them up melman.

You accuse and yet only tease a name/s.

Here are some facts for you, melman. People can be passionate about a candidate, I was for Obama from the beginning. If he had lost the primary I would have been heartbroken and then would have thrown my full support behind the DEMOCRATIC winner. Why? Because our Democracy matters and it is what true Democrat's do.

That is unlike some that refused and voted third party. Nina Turner comes to mind. Nina Turner.

[melman]

93. Not going to do that for you

Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.

[George II]

97. But you offered:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=348106

51. I'll take that as a yes

If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.

Methinks they don't exist.

[sheshe2]

98. Then why say:

melman (5,591 posts)
51. I'll take that as a yes

If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.

A few moments late, you say:

melman
93. Not going to do that for you

Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.

Say what?

First this:

"Let me know if you'd like some pulled up."

Moments later:

Not going to do that for you

Very sorry but you can't always get what you want.

Twilight Zone...………………...….

[betsuni]

101. This is like Geraldo Rivera and Al Capone's vault.

[George II]

102. Oh that's hysterical!!!!!! I forgot about that.

[sheshe2]

187. ...

[George II]

104. Indeed..........

[sheshe2]

111. ...

[Cha]

72. lol.. too bad for you that everyone has gotten over that but you

and of course those who can't move on.

[sheshe2]

76. I wasn't here in 2008.

Please name names, melman.

[melman]

78. Advanced search

upper right corner. Knock yourself out.

[sheshe2]

92. Another post of yours that I just responded to said you would do that.

Moving goalposts.

You made the accusation, provide the information.

[melman]

95. I made no accusation

And moved no goalposts. Done here.

[sheshe2]

109. Lol

You did. Then did.

Nightie night.

[George II]

112. That's twice - but "Advanced search" doesn't work for posts prior to 2011, and....

....as pointed out, "Advanced search" isn't available to anyone who isn't a star member, so how would you know?

[melman]

113. I don't need to be a 'star member' to know

For two reasons:

1. I was here and remember


2. I know how to use the internet



protip: google custom date range

[George II]

116. So where are the posts that you offered to provide? We're still waiting. You know what they say....

....about writing checks, don't you?

[melman]

117. Advanced search

upper right corner. Knock yourself out.







and btw, I said I'd pull them up if someone didn't remember. Someone made it quite clear they do.



Done. For real this time. Have a great night!

[George II]

122. ooops................my guess is they don't exist. Time to....

[betsuni]

125. So someone says Hillary got 66 million votes against Trump and the lies of Stein

helped Trump win the swing states and your response is to imply that person said mean things about Hillary in 2008 and ... so?

Your point? That Hillary didn't get more votes than Trump and Stein had no effect on swing states votes? Because this is correct no matter who says it.

[melman]

126. No

that is certainly not my point and nowhere did I say anything that would indicate it was my point.


But thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.

[betsuni]

128. It is true no matter who says it.

We've gone over this. These auto-kill-the-messenger attacks have no point.

[Cha]

127. You Nailed IT, betsuni!

Gratitude!

[betsuni]

130. I remember hardly anything I said or did in 2008, let alone what someone else said on a message

board I wasn't even a member of during that year's primaries!

[Cha]

133. I remember Hillary being a TEAM Player and really

getting behind then Senator Obama at roll call..

Hillary Clinton Nominates Obama on New York’s Behalf

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hillary-clinton-nominates-obama-on-new-yorks-behalf

She impressed me so much I was in tears.. still am reading it again.. .. and I immediately became a Hillary Supporter.. rooting for her and President Obama to succeed!

[betsuni]

137. And didn't she start a campaign that autumn to convince hold-outs to vote for Obama?

Now I can't remember the name of it and can't find it. But she definitely did all she could.

One thing I do remember from 2008 is this, from The Onion. Don't know why I think it's so funny:

[Cha]

140. Yes Hillary started Campaigning for Obama right away..

she didn't meander one bit.. she wanted him to WIN!

Ouch on the Onion!

[betsuni]

141. No, I mean she was worried about PUMA bad publicity and started an outreach

program to get hold-outs to vote for Obama, started it in September. It's really bugging me! I'll keep searching.

[Cha]

142. Oh yeah.. I understand what you mean now..

that was a problem.. Thankfully Hillary was the Anti-PUMA.. and she and President Obama prevailed.

[sheshe2]

135. That is not correct, melman.

melman
117. Advanced search

upper right corner. Knock yourself out.

and btw, I said I'd pull them up if someone didn't remember. Someone made it quite clear they do.

I told you I was not here in 2008.


98. Then why say:

melman (5,591 posts)
51. I'll take that as a yes

If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.

A few moments late, you say:

melman
93. Not going to do that for you

Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.

Say what?

First this:

"Let me know if you'd like some pulled up."

Moments later:

Not going to do that for you

Very sorry but you can't always get what you want.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287348021#post98

Ya neva eva said if.

[melman]

138. Here's the problem with all this

This ---->"Let me know if you'd like some pulled up."


Wasn't said to you. Night night.

[sheshe2]

143. Bwahahaha

[George II]

163. On a PUBLIC site, no less!

[sheshe2]

188. IKR

[Cha]

124. It's something he can't move on from in

2008.. it's about my not liking Hillary in the primary. I was a wild child.. but I've learned since then.

Evidently he can't handle his "centrist" meme for Hillary isn't working so he's trying to "kill the messenger".

I moved on during the 2008 DNC Convention when I applauded Hillary but apparently some are too stuck in the past to get over it.

[George II]

129. Surprising that someone who wasn't even a member here at the time is dwelling....

....on what might have happened more than 11 years ago. Sounds like something on which beans grew for Jack!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_and_the_Beanstalk

[Cha]

131. lol.. "Dwelling" is certainly an

apt description.. this is Not the first time he's attempted to change the subject with bringing up something that happened 11 years ago...

[George II]

132. Are those crickets I'm hearing?

[Cha]

134. .. maybe.. Btw George.. I just found this..

this is when I became a Hillary supporter.. she showed she was a TEAM Player..

Hillary Clinton Nominates Obama on New York’s Behalf

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hillary-clinton-nominates-obama-on-new-yorks-behalf

I started crying with happiness and I'm doing it again just reading about the memory..

[George II]

139. The 2008 Primaries were a mixed bag for many Democrats (yes, DEMOCRATS!)....

I know that early on I was a strong supporter for Hillary Clinton, but as the campaign progressed I saw more of Barack Obama and what he stood for. I slowly migrated to Obama and was a big supporter by late spring.

I would have supported either in the General Election, and obviously Hillary Clinton was a wholehearted supporter of Barack Obama and he recognized her qualifications by choosing her as his first Secretary of State.

Her comments from the floor were proved that out:

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), New York: Madam Secretary, on behalf of the great state of New York, with appreciation for the spirit and dedication of all who are gathered here, with eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let's declare together in one voice, right here, right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate, and he will be our president!

Madam Secretary, Madam Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll call vote, all votes cast by the delegates will be counted, and that I move Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention, by acclamation, as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States!

It's truly sad that some would dwell on a primary campaign 11 years ago and whine that someone was a "basher" because of policy differences.

Bottom line, MOST of us are Democrats and eventually rally around our strongest candidate.

[sheshe2]

144. here

NEW YORK STATE REPRESENTATIVE:
Madam Chairman, on behalf of the Empire State, the great state of New York, led by its great new governor, Gov. David Paterson…
… the home of the senior senator, Sen. Charles Schumer…
… the home of the Ways and Means chair of the House, Congressman Charlie Rangel…
… and a great congressional delegation, the home of our great state Democratic chair, June O'Neill…
… our great attorney general, Andrew Cuomo…
… Controller Tom DiNapoli…
… I am proud to call upon the great senator from New York to make the following presentation.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton!

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), New York: Madam Secretary, on behalf of the great state of New York, with appreciation for the spirit and dedication of all who are gathered here, with eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let's declare together in one voice, right here, right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate, and he will be our president!

Madam Secretary, Madam Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll call vote, all votes cast by the delegates will be counted, and that I move Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention, by acclamation, as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States!

From your link.
May I repeat this part.

with eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let's declare together in one voice, right here, right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate, and he will be our president!

Gonna cry. She voted for our future.

[Cha]

145. Awww, she.. that's exactly what made me cry.. I can

still see her wrapping around one of those poles saying that.. it was beautiful and a beautiful time in history Thanks! lol

[sheshe2]

146. Hugs.

I love and respect both of them. They are not in it for themselves or their egos. They are both in it for us.

[Cha]

147. Yes, Hillary and President Obama are in it for us.. they've

proven that.. they have the creds.

Mahalo for c/p Hillary's words at the Roll Call.. They will live forever!

[sheshe2]

189. I see what you did there, George!

High Five!

[mcar]

172. That's what this is about?

Who you supported in the 2008 primaries? That's the big controversy that poster is pushing?

[Cha]

181. In a word

"yes".

I was "bad" in the 2008 primaries.. so that poster continues to bring it up and try to embarrass me. Problem for him is it says more about him than about me

[mcar]

185. It's apparently all he's got

[OilemFirchen]

166. Until the day before the election...

neither was he.

No doubt a long-time lurker...

[sheshe2]

190. I too was a lurker back then, OilemFirchen.

Joined before the 2012 election. I was an Obama gal since his 2004 keynote speech!

I lurked because it was a Democratic site and I wanted to read everything I could about Obama. Never paid attention to people/posters at that time and I most certainly did not take notes on who said what.

[George II]

192. I joined on Dec 4, 2005. What are the odds someone who signed up years later...

....has a log of my first posts?

[sheshe2]

194. I guess an ace googler can do anything, George.

Some just have a lot of time on their hands.

[George II]

195. ...

[sheshe2]

196. Exactly.

[Thekaspervote]

42. NY/Sienna poll moderate/centrists vs liberal

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.

More at the link

https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-swing-voters-might-decide-193019533.html

[betsuni]

48. Hillary and Bernie voted the same way 93% when they were in the Senate.

Guess that makes Bernie a centrist too, then.

[Cha]

58. lol.. dose of reality for some who can't quite understand

Hillary's voting record!

Thank You, Betsuni!

[betsuni]

69. It's some kind of rule that to look at Hillary's voting record and the Democratic Party platform

(most progressive in history) is forbidden.

And this is the 21st century, not the '30s or '60s. I still see people saying things like: Well, FDR did "radical change"! Do they not know that socialism and communism were much more popular, plus the Depression. I'm reading Ed Levine's "Serious Eater" and he says, "Like many poor Jews in New York in the 1930s, my parents became avowed Communists while attending City College. Family lore has it that they met at a Communist Party meeting on campus."

[Cha]

90. Yes, those trying to label Hillary a "centrist" really

should look at her voting record and the Democratic Platform before posting their memes.

Thank you for that, betsuni!

And yes things were way different way back in the last century.. another clue!

[betsuni]

99. Two main anti-Democratic attacks are clear:

Hillary iz centrist, did not win election because voters carefully studied policy differences between Democrats and Republicans and decided Democratic policies weren't progressive enough, better to have Trump. Biden iz centrist, therefore same thing will happen again.

Biden's support of the ACA with public option and other improvements means Democrats don't ever ever want universal health care and don't care if millions die because they are in the pocket of insurance companies and Big Pharma.

We will be seeing these daily. The only silver lining is that it appears "centrist" is replacing the irritating "establishment."

[Cha]

103. So true and so predictable! Jill Stein LIES got us trump

once.. I hope to hell LIES don't get us the psycho a 2nd time.

[emmaverybo]

155. FDR and the capitalists did not want the communists to take over labor. They had to respond to the

depression too and pressure from outside agitation moved them. On the other hand, FDR’s enlightened labor policies did not extend to agricultural workers, a good percentage of whom
were POC. And FDR had a power base.

[George II]

65. Bazinga!

[Voltaire2]

84. Ok then. Obama and Pelosi are endorsing centrists

like Sanders.

Great.

[George II]

61. We'll find out next November.

[Jewls2]

64. It is disingenuous to suggest this was the reason for HRC loss with all that was thrown at her.

Including a primary that gave Republicans an awful lot of ammunition keeping resentments alive.

[Cha]

77. Damn straight "it's disingenuous".. Thank you, Jewls!

[TexasTowelie]

115. Yes, if only.

The only time Trump ran against a Democrat was when he ran against a liberal.

[llashram]

173. as long as

we win, good. No divisions, parsing or reliving old elections necessary. We must be united by National Election Day, period. Nothing else matters.

[George II]

55. Two highly accomplished, winning DEMOCRATS are advising how to win. They're living proof.

[Cha]

81. Absolutely! But, according to some.. why listen

to Accomplished Winners.. why not insult them instead?

[mcar]

121. Pelosi's a "centrist?"

Someone tell San Francisco!

[PhoenixDem]

22. PBO is absolutely on the money here. n/t

[ritapria]

30. "Radical"

Every other major country has turned to it's own version of MFA long ago…...It works ….Not perfect, but better than our shitty system that bankupts a half a million people each year for the crime of getting sick …..

[LongtimeAZDem]

46. And none of those countries vote in our elections

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[ritapria]

49. FDR did pretty good on "Radical change"

[LongtimeAZDem]

74. FDR died almost 75 years ago, in an altogether different time

[Centrist_Dem]

162. I rely on Obamacare

like millions of Americans. Taking our insurance away in the hopes that a radical socialist plan is going to pass the House or Senate is not going to fly with voters. Every other country isn't America. There are many differences between America and these other countries. People pretend that every other country has a single payer system - it's not true. Canada's system is provincial, not country-wide. Switzerland does not have single payer, etc.

Unions fought hard for generations for their benefits. You really want to just take that away from them? And then expect their vote?

[CentralMass]

31. I thought something was up when they sent in Deval Patrick.

[doc03]

36. They know what they are talking about. We can't win with a socialist

platform in the Midwest. I don't care if we get every vote on both coasts that doesn't mean crap. A socialist
will not win the EC. I would like to say a lot more but my post would be hidden.

[Thekaspervote]

44. This!!

[BlueWI]

50. Only the future will tell.

With all of the moderates in charge and their infallible analytics, we got our clocks cleaned in 2016.

Passivity in the face of plutocracy and climate emergency is a recipe for epic fail. Blind trust in authority is no way to operate a democracy.

[highplainsdem]

52. And Hillary Clinton has been offering the same advice re Medicare For All and the wealth tax.

[Kurt V.]

53. times have changed and times are strange.

here i come but i ain't the same. 🎵🎵

really fits here.

[Unclephil]

57. in my opinion

Warren and Sanders misread the general electorate. They have narrow constituencies.

[VarryOn]

62. The operative word is "campaign"...

You have to get elected first. The status quo is powerfully attractive, especially when compared with the unknown, no matter the potential upside.

I'm concerned some of our candidates are focusing too much on being disruptive--positive and needed disruption to be , but disruptive nonetheless. And Republicans will certainly stoke the anxiety every chance they can get.

I think I know where Obama and Pelosi are coming from. We should listen.

[Ferrets are Cool]

80. They don't fill out my voting ballot. I will vote straight Democratic party

no matter who is on the ballot. Who is on that ballot will work itself out. And they, like me, are entitled to their opinions.

[Cha]

94. And, they don't want to "fill out your voting ballot"

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama are talking about their experiences in winning.. they want to win like all of us do.

[guillaumeb]

100. And who defines what is too radical?

Is there also such a thing as being too moderate?

[Cha]

108. What won't win in the GE.. in the Swing States with

the moderates some scorn.

You know the Moderates who helped us WIN the Blue Wave Democratic House Victory and WHY we have Impeachment hearings on the Psycho in the WH Now.

The ones who helped get us Gov elect Andy Beshear for Kentucky and America.

[LongtimeAZDem]

164. Exactly

[guillaumeb]

206. Often polling suggests that "the voters" are more progressive than their politicians.

And many positions that some call progressive are supported by GOP voters as well.

[Farmer-Rick]

202. Exactly what is too radical

Seems to me to be a very subjective scale.

Last election a conservative RepubliCON told me he would vote for Bernie but he later told me he voted for Trumpy Dumpy. To him Bernie was not radical. Nor was the orange mass.

I think Trumpy Dumpy is the most radical president we have ever had.

Like I said it is a very subjective scale that really no longer has much meaning.

[aikoaiko]

105. So much for hopey-changey candidates.

[flotsam]

107. Here's the thing

It's pretty clear either wing of the party can take Trump down. So as a democrat why run back to a "safe" position? We got FDR because the GOP screwed the pooch and currently we desperately need pooch unscrewing to make up for at least 40 years of regressive bullshit that killed the middle class and strangled the American dream. We have the bathtub and our hands on their throats, all that's required now is the balls to finish them.

[Cha]

114. Right now Joe Biden takes Down trump

the best.. I want to win and I like Biden's chances in the Swing states.

[flotsam]

118. I respect your choice and understand your point

I truly feel the election is ours as is the choice. I choose to move hard left...My dream ticket is Warren/Buttigieg with Warren to be aspirational and Buttigieg to give a more youthful balance to the ticket and if liberal policies cannot find footing he would be a bridge to the more timid party I do not desire. The thing is if even a bit of Warren caught on I believe Buttigieg would recognize this and take the country as far to the left as we dream of now. IMHO

[Historic NY]

110. If you push socialist bullshit, you will lose....

republicans are betting on it as something to use. Most of the people out there don't know what it is, some connect it to anarchists.

[YOHABLO]

152. Pelosi and Obama must have a really special insight into voters minds.

Have they ever sat in an emergency room all night and into the next morning to see a doctor? Wow I never knew health care was such a ''communist'' radical issue. I guess they realize how stupid this country has become, and how it can be swayed by corporate America.

[betsuni]

154. Who said health care was a "communist" radical issue?

How is this country "swayed by corporate America"?

[YOHABLO]

158. I don't do back and forth rebuttal. If you don't get it, then you won't get it.

[betsuni]

159. Personal insult!

I thought calling people stupid was bad.

[YOHABLO]

160. You're not stupid. It's just I am not in the mood to type out explanations

in terms of my opinions. My point is that Pelosi and Obama don't want the party to have anything on it's platform that could be construed as being ''socialist''. The plan is to bring people to the polls, talk of M4A might seem to some in this country as too ''radical''. I disagree with that stance.

[betsuni]

161. There is no explanation. I'm just not in the mood for typed out slogans.

The idea that Sanders' Medicare for All plan is the only health care plan and it is that or nothing is incorrect. Medicare for All is not a new idea and is not "radical" just because Bernie adopted it.

[Voltaire2]

167. the poster did not call you stupid

[Cha]

153. Barack Obama robocall gives Gov. John Bel Edwards a last-minute get-out-the-vote boost

Link to tweet

A WINNER!

Goth https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12696016

[Gothmog]

178. President Obama was the difference in this election

Link to tweet

[Cha]

180. lol.. I just posted this to you upthread! It's great News..

President Obama knows how to Win! Mahalo, Goth!

[jalan48]

168. Every now and then Centrists need to talk about how far the political spectrum has been pushed to

the right over the past few decades. It would give their "too radical" statements more creedence.

[Gothmog]

171. There are more centrists in the part compared to extreme liberals

Link to tweet

Former vice president Joe Biden is embracing his role as the leading moderate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary field. He has at times adopted an almost curmudgeonly tone about his opponents’ embrace of more progressive policies, preferring a nostalgia for the way things were back in the good old days of, say, 2015.

It’s an approach that, at first, seems at odds with where the party is going. We’ve noted previously that Democrats are increasingly likely to identify themselves as liberals, a trend that probably helps explain why so many of the 2020 candidates have embraced progressive positions — and why more progressive candidates have entered the race.

Polling, though, suggests that this may not be a foolproof strategy. For one thing, a crowd of more progressive candidates (an admittedly nebulous designation) will compete for the same voters, freeing Biden to vacuum up support from moderates. But polling also shows that Democrats overall aren’t necessarily prioritizing a candidate who espouses progressive policies. The data below are from a recent CNN-SSRS poll: More Democrats think it’s important for a nominee to work with Republicans than to support liberal policies.


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[jalan48]

174. Are those regular Centrists or Extreme Centrists?

[Voltaire2]

175. extra spicy

But note that if you assert that Clinton or Obama or Pelosi are centrists the argument will be made that they aren't.

[Gothmog]

169. I trust both President Obama and Speaker Pelosi

[Sapient Donkey]

198. Same.

On a related note, sometimes when I am on social media and I come across a post bashing (as in real bashing, not constructively criticizing) Biden, Pelosi, Mayor Pete, and even Obama, I have to click on the profile to figure out if the attack is coming from the right or the left.

[SterlingPound]

176. Obama also allowed major losses at the state level when he was president and was leading the DNC

So while i like him

he isnt the be all end all.

[Cha]

182. President Obama is Winning now.. and he didn't "allow" anything..

the hate radio/tv was out in full force.. and this is on those who stayed home in 2010 because ACA wasn't pure enough for them.

Link to tweet

[SterlingPound]

183. While racism played a major part

Obama's lax guiding hand at the dnc allowed empty seats to be filled by the gop that should of had dems running

but instead they were vacant.

and in many ways it hasn't really improved at the dnc when it comes to building up young and comers

that i have noticed over the last 2 decades.


I feel these are valid criticisms that go way beyond Obama

and a party fault not really his but the computer software coupled with his inaction

smacked us extra hard in the 20otts

[Cha]

186. Whatever.. President Obama is Still A WINNER and knows

what he's talking about.. he keeps trying and has been working on getting gerrymandering more fair for our country since out of office.

Obama takes on partisan gerrymandering with new initiative

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-27/obama-partisan-gerrymandering-redistricting-u-initiative

[CentralMass]

184. My primary choice pecking order has not changed. This 11th hour entry IMO is just going to

Piss people off.

[UniteFightBack]

191. Seems like some simple, obvious and good advice to me. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

193. And they're both right, which is why I love 'em.

[Joe941]

197. It's a last gasp from the progressives of today.

At times there is a changing of the guard and now is such a time.

[Gothmog]

200. From Harry Reid

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

201. Florida Democrats want a moderate.

Link to tweet

A group of current and former elected Democratic officials in Broward County said Tuesday they’d like to see their party nominate former Vice President Joe Biden for president in 2020.

Their second choice in a straw vote is Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.

They definitely don’t want either U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts or U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the progressive candidates who are performing near the top of public opinion polls, along with Biden.....

But they believe the Democratic Party’s overriding goal of defeating President Donald Trump can be best achieved by nominating a candidate — like Biden or maybe Buttigieg — who they believe can better to appeal to swing voters in a handful of states that will decide the election.

[BlueTsunami2018]

204. Yes, they want to win.

It’s imperative that we win.

[Gothmog]

207. Polling show MFA is a bad idea

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

208. CNN Poll- voters want candidates who have realistic programs

Link to tweet

[Joe941]

209. The old guards advice. We make our own way today.