Buttigieg campaign calls Warren's new health care plan a "transparently political attempt

[highplainsdem]

to paper over a very serious policy problem."

Tweet from CNN's Dan Merica, with an image of the statement from Buttigieg communications director Lis Smith:

Link to tweet

[crazytown]

1. Oh Gee

I was expecting them to be positive. All this fire and fury on a Friday night :snigger:

[left-of-center2012]

2. Warren dropped one of her promises

Questioning about how to finance it got too hot.

[Blue_true]

39. Her original approach was bad. That really surprised me.

She seemed to be so eager to appeal to the Bernie hardcore that she embraced his "take my plan or else" healthcare reform position. It should have been clear that the Bernie hardcore was not going to leave him and that she needed to target people that could be convinced.

[Nitram]

3. Sounds like a transparent attempt to cast political shade on Warren.

Dude, what's your plan?

[DavidDvorkin]

4. You can read about it here

https://peteforamerica.com/policies/health-care/

[Celerity]

5. +100000

[kcr]

24. Yep. He seemed to forget that Twitter is forever.

[comradebillyboy]

6. Maybe so but Warren was smart to do it. She needs to be on firmer ground.

I'm very happy to see her course correction.

[Cha]

9. Yeah, this is a long way from

that debate where she said about BS' mfa plan.. ".. that's my plan, too.. ".

[comradebillyboy]

10. I approve of evolution...

[Cha]

11. So do I.. if you want something to be

better you don't stay stuck in rut.. 'cause.. mfa.

Seems Joe Biden is in the right Presidential primary after all.

Link to tweet

[emmaverybo]

26. Gee. She evolved to Biden's plan as a transition. Good move. He sure is in the right

primary!

You go, Joe!

[Cha]

28. Yeah, has anybody freaking noticed that besides

us?!

Biden is first.. he's the leader!

[The Valley Below]

35. I noticed and I'm with you!

[Cha]

36. Thank you, TVB.. and

Mahalo for making so much sense in that thread that was trying to coerce others to accept something they did not want.

Unreal.. not a way to advocate for one's position.

[The Valley Below]

37. No kidding!

Mahalo to you too and congratulations on your soon-to-be Democratic Representative in the House.

[Cha]

38. lol..

.. and yes.. Kai Kahehe! Mahalo, The Valley Below!

[Blue_true]

41. She really painted herself into a corner by her full embrace of Bernie's unworkable plan.

That really shocked and disappointed me, I thought her political instincts were better than to let that happen. But I believe that she can execute a ju jitsu move to get out of that corner and back in control of the race. What she needs to do in the debate is say something along the lines "MFA is the longterm best course, but when we analyzed the fine details, we realized that implementing it without a smooth path to it would be disruptive to the economy and a lot of people's lives, and that would weaken the public's resolve to move to a sane longterm healthcare delivery system. I fully plan to have the country in MFA by the end of my first term, but how I will do that is different from how I planned to before my exhaustive study of how best to implement MFA". Then she bats back the attacks from Mayor Pete and turn those back on him.

[Blue_true]

40. It is stunning to me that she was where she was on that issue.

I thought that her political instincts were much better than that. Now she has a "I was for it before I was against it" problem that she needs to solve.

[comradebillyboy]

44. It has been her only serious mistake so far. I think she will recover...

[question everything]

7. Warren has a new health plan?

[Celerity]

8. she is trying to back off full blown MFA

Elizabeth Warren’s new Medicare-for-all plan starts out with a public option

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/15/20966674/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-plan-public-option

[Thekaspervote]

12. On again off again... no wait....

[Celerity]

13. Is similar to Harris' issues with healthcare. It is a third rail now.

Biden and Buttigieg are the only two left with a chance who have good healthcare plans that are political winners.

[Blue_true]

43. No she isn't.

What she has finally done is put in the sane glidepath to MFA that she should have proposed to begin with. Her current plan is by far the most superior of all that have been proposed so far, she ends up at MFA but eliminates the disruption that would take place by trying to get there from scratch, like Sanders is proposing.

[dansolo]

45. The disruption is still there.

I don't see how this is any better than before. M4A was going to force people into M4A in four years. Her "new" plan basically does the same thing.

[Blue_true]

47. To reduce premiums for everyone and improve health results, everyone must end up in a

massive in scale healthcare plan, there is no other way to reduce healthcare costs and get better results. If Buttigieg, Biden and the others that are panning Warren were straightforward about this issue, they would admit to that reality.

[Celerity]

48. no, as we all know MFA will never pass

it is a retreat in the face of reality

[Blue_true]

49. I agree that she realize that she needed to take a step back.

I am really disappointed that she didn't highlight a glide path to MFA at the very beginning instead of embracing Senator Sanders' unworkable position.

The claim that I soundly disagree with is that she has changed the substance of her plan, as was claimed by the person who I responded to initially.

[AncientGeezer]

22. Right?? Didn't see that coming did we?

[Blue_true]

42. No. She has just proposed a tweak to the speed of implementation of MFA.

What she has finally done is wise. I have no idea why she was where she was at to begin with.

[helpisontheway]

14. Maybe Mayor Pete should stop worrying about her MFA plan and focus on his African American problem.n

[BlueMTexpat]

15. This.

Announcements like this OP aren't doing him ANY favors with ME.

[BlueMTexpat]

16. FFS!

Yet another gleeful post dissing EW!

[crazytown]

17. It's a legitimate post.

And as I said, a press release going nowhere on Friday afternoon of the day Stone got convicted, and trump tweeted witness intimidation during his impeachment hearing.

[BlueMTexpat]

18. It's certainly a legitimate

post.

The problem is that such posts are almost always posted by the same individual.

I am sorry that I rose to the bait; I had vowed no longer to do so and will try to keep that vow in future.

[crazytown]

19. HPD is a fierce advocate for Joe Biden

He or she will attack any weakness in those they see as a threat to him. I'd be more worried if EW was being ignored

[BlueMTexpat]

20. Well, there is that.

[emmaverybo]

29. Oh please. This is not "any weakness." Warren made M4All almost all she was running on for

near a year. Then she turns and adopts so-called centrist plans as a transition when she gets in political trouble. That is certainly something a whole lot of people are talking about.

[crazytown]

31. "M4All almost all she was running on"

tosh

[emmaverybo]

32. She does have over thirty other plans. But she pushed M4All as the piece de resistance of her

fight against economic equality and her support for working families.

[crazytown]

33. Warren is running against corruption.

She never had a plan for M4A, until she was forced to. It's barely mentioned in her stump speeches. "the piece de resistance" was and is her wealth tax.

It is a point of weakness. Her competitors have exploited this, as they should.

[emmaverybo]

34. Forced to? She said long ago she was with Bernie on healthcare. Fine, she can spend more time

defending the wealth tax proposal as a way to pay for the other plans.

[BeyondGeography]

21. Sure Pete

Link to tweet

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. People's policy positions "evolve", just as Senator Warren seems to have evolved to a public option.

[aidbo]

25. In fairness, Mayo Pete is an expert on transparently political actions. nt

[blm]

30. Pete was for single payer not too long ago. He evolved.

He’s allowed. Uppity women need to perform perfectly.

[PhoenixDem]

27. Mayor Pete is absolutely right n/t

[UniteFightBack]

46. Nobody should under estimate Mayor Pete. nt

[Sapient Donkey]

50. Is that all there is in the message?

I like Pete, but I would like to see more substance about the specifics of the fatal flaws and also details on how other ideas would be better (and why). I dislike the tone of this too. I feel like it's making Warren out to be someone who wants to screw over the American people. I don't feel like that last sentence is accurate either based on what Warren has said. Maybe he plan isn't feasible or there are flaws, but it's well intended. I want to hear specifics when discussing these plans. I want to feel like the candidates all have an understanding of each other's plans/ideas.

I prefer the idea of a public option over MFA (at this time), but I would like my preferred candidate to release statements with actual substance to them.

[Kurt V.]

51. That's quite alright. one has a plan. one has plans

[BlueMTexpat]

52. LOL, I chuckle at

"outrage" like this and also at those who assert that EW does not have the correct political instincts.

She has - very adroitly - -pulled the rung out from under her detractors, leaving some to splutter like this.

[highplainsdem]

53. I think you meant "pull the rug out" (not "rung"). And FWIW, judging by the latest

Battleground Tracker poll (showing Warren losing 140 delegates in the last month) and the Des Moines Register poll, Warren pulled the rug out from under her own campaign.

I was sure she'd been hurt by last month's debate, and I didn't think her attempts to make up for that since then, attempts which looked rather desperate, had helped her.

And now Obama has made it clear the party shouldn't go too far left, and Pelosi and HRC have issued similar warnings.

IMO a lot of Warren supporters (and possibly Warren herself) have assumed she could pick up a lot of Sanders supporters from the left wing of the party without being perceived as being too far left herself, despite espousing similar policy ideas.

The political instincts of anyone who believed that are off.

[BlueMTexpat]

54. You are correct.

I meant "rug."

Thanks for the correction. My brain, eyes and fingers don't work together as well as they once did.