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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:21 PM Nov 2019

Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All

“Why would anyone go through all the trouble of running for president just to get up on stage and talk about what’s not possible?” This is the question Elizabeth Warren posed to thumb-faced millionaire John Delaney at a Democratic debate in July, as paraphrased by her campaign in a tweet, in response to Delaney’s characterization of bold policies as “impossible promises.” And yet it is the logic of possible and impossible, of disarming yourself in an attempt to appease your opponent before you’ve met upon the battlefield, that undergirds Warren’s newly released plan to split up the passage of Medicare for All into two steps: First, the enactment of a public option and then, two years later, the passage of a separate bill to achieve single-payer. It signals that Warren believes that only a public option is possible, without requiring her to say so out loud.

Warren has struggled to voice unequivocal support for single-payer. In March, she said there were “different pathways” to universal coverage, including expanding Medicaid and a buy-in mechanism. She seemed to find her bravery in October, when she released her plan to pay for Medicare for All. Questionable as the proposal was—it relied on a regressive “head tax” of employers, instead of progressive payroll taxes—it did tie her definitively to a single-payer health care plan in a way that she had previously avoided. Few could say she didn’t own the policy once she had outlined the taxes that would pay for it, which is arguably the hardest part of the single-payer pitch. Only now, she’s blown all that up.

Warren’s latest plan ostensibly provides for the “transitioning to Medicare for All.” In reality, it is a clearer indication that she has settled for the public option, like most of the rest of the field. Within the first 100 days of her administration, she proposes to pass a bill allowing anyone to buy into Medicare—while providing it free of charge to children under 18 and anyone making less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level ($51,500 for a family of four). Her administration would use budget reconciliation to avoid the Senate filibuster and pass with only 51 votes—though this process would still require Democratic squishes like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema to find something resembling conviction.

Warren’s proposal would cap premiums at 5 percent of income—which would be competitive with most, if not all, employer-sponsored insurance; competing plans among the Democratic field peg the cap at 8 percent. The covered benefits would match those enumerated in Bernie Sanders’s Medicare for All bill. Confusingly, she also claims the bill would “gradually decrease to zero” the cost-sharing, like premiums and co-pays, in “subsequent years.” This is essentially saying the public option would morph into free healthcare at some point—like Medicare for All, but without the abolition of private insurance. Who but the obscenely rich would keep paying for private insurance if there’s a free public option that covers everything? And why would such a plan be easier to pass than Medicare for All? Those questions remain unanswered.

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https://newrepublic.com/article/155756/elizabeth-warren-retreats-medicare
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Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All (Original Post) George II Nov 2019 OP
Hmmm... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #2
Some of the irrational hatred toward Warren rings true Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #4
This critiique of Warren, which you should read in its entirety, was writtens by a woman, and highplainsdem Nov 2019 #7
I dont need to read any more "reviews" about Warren. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #12
There are more important factors than just IQ in picking a leader. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #20
Agreed wiley Nov 2019 #85
She passes every test for me. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #108
Well squirecam Nov 2019 #111
she has a very narrow constituency Unclephil Nov 2019 #22
Most qualified? How? I understand liking her plans, personality, even ideology, but most emmaverybo Nov 2019 #29
Nope. A one on one debate would show the difference. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #30
Nope.. Biden is the most qualified to be POTUS. Cha Nov 2019 #37
She would "beat him like a drum" in a one on one debate. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #41
No she wouldn't .. Biden will beat the psycho in the WH. Cha Nov 2019 #46
That, if it were to transpire, would not give her greater qualifications for office. No matter how emmaverybo Nov 2019 #48
It would reveal their relative strengths & weaknesses. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #49
She is an academic, an economic scholar. Biden is not. He has a broad range of other strengths emmaverybo Nov 2019 #54
We're not electing a Debater-in-Chief. I've competed in debates, and I don't confuse highplainsdem Nov 2019 #50
Mental acuity, logical reasoning, comportment matter. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #53
They matter most for college debate judges. And Biden's calm, thoughtful, compassionate, and emmaverybo Nov 2019 #55
In the artificial world of debate competition, yes. In the real world, and especially the real highplainsdem Nov 2019 #57
Great response and absolutely true! emmaverybo Nov 2019 #59
Likeability matters most to voters - past elections demonstrate that. N/T Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #102
She wouldn't beat Biden because Biden knows more about governing... Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #66
Yes! This and this, his FP creds, are crucial in the qualifications America and the world need. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #77
Just like her financial bonafides & willingness to take on Wall Street. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #104
Domestic economic policy is important, but foreign policy and relations can make the difference emmaverybo Nov 2019 #110
Her attempt to tell how to pay for M4A would call into question.. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #120
"best and most qualified person running" left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #52
Whether she is the "best and most qualified person running" is your subjective view. That she won't still_one Nov 2019 #106
It HAS to be sexist if its critical! Thats the go-to. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #42
Just because someone doesn't agree with EW Cha Nov 2019 #13
x1000, Cha peggysue2 Nov 2019 #32
Miscalculating on the centerpiece of one's candidacy could be an important failure to consider emmaverybo Nov 2019 #43
Agreed, emmaverybo peggysue2 Nov 2019 #62
This has nothing to do with the fact that Warren is a woman.... George II Nov 2019 #40
Democrats squirecam Nov 2019 #112
I have recently become very critical of Warren after the last debate. bobGandolf Nov 2019 #56
It is not about sexism and I don't hate Warren helpisontheway Nov 2019 #63
Wow SterlingPound Nov 2019 #76
Voicing what millions of Americans, many Democrats, feel borders on Trumpism? Why do you emmaverybo Nov 2019 #78
Biden isnt working toward Universal healthcare and never will be SterlingPound Nov 2019 #79
Reality squirecam Nov 2019 #114
and as long as the dems keep repeating that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. SterlingPound Nov 2019 #117
Truth squirecam Nov 2019 #121
the truth would be that people like biden profit from the insurance companies and have zero interest SterlingPound Nov 2019 #124
Um squirecam Nov 2019 #113
it is already blown up SterlingPound Nov 2019 #115
And squirecam Nov 2019 #122
It is personal for everyone SterlingPound Nov 2019 #123
This was anything but a "brilliant" move on Warren's part. Read the entire piece. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #6
Folks seem to forget DownriverDem Nov 2019 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #11
How come she can't remember Unclephil Nov 2019 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #25
I do think she is very smart Unclephil Nov 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #33
The electorate is different Unclephil Nov 2019 #34
The rankings on DU and the eventual nominee haven't always matched, to put it mildly. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #35
Actually "undecided" has a wide lead on DU. For a reason, obviously. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #44
Are you certain you know the reason? JudyM Nov 2019 #69
That poster is still here....can you answer the questions? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #75
Guess not squirecam Nov 2019 #116
That's a question that I would like an answer to. Welcome to DU! Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #103
Like me it was her first presidential vote Unclephil Nov 2019 #107
No warren supporter forgets that SterlingPound Nov 2019 #80
Brilliant people.... boomer_wv Nov 2019 #61
The insurance companies are spending billions to frighten people, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #3
Harry and Louise. Democrats used to recognize it and fight back. blm Nov 2019 #10
Now, many repeat the insurance company nonsense. eom guillaumeb Nov 2019 #14
Insurance companies are the culprit in a number of our societal ills. JudyM Nov 2019 #70
But their propaganda works. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #95
Let's hope there's a real, substantive exploration of this by the media this election cycle! JudyM Nov 2019 #97
Wow. Hope people read the entire thing. The rest of it is even more critical of Warren's highplainsdem Nov 2019 #5
Yep, she's a horrible choice. How dare she even run? Good grief. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #17
I'm a woman who supported HRC and who wants our nominee to be the candidate with the highplainsdem Nov 2019 #36
Thank you. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #45
Settle? Lucky such a qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable candidate as Biden emmaverybo Nov 2019 #39
Then squirecam Nov 2019 #118
I think most people agree that it is unlikely that ANY candidate could pass MFA in year one. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #24
Yet, Bernie's M4A plan doesn't receive the same level scrutiny dlk Nov 2019 #8
Very odd, isn't it? Blaukraut Nov 2019 #19
Hmm... dlk Nov 2019 #26
Elizabeth went after Biden first. The others went after Warren because she was not truthful about helpisontheway Nov 2019 #65
I think Warren was avoiding creating a sound bite for Republicans to use against her in an ad dlk Nov 2019 #67
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #64
Bernie is handling PR and the media very smartly. Joe941 Nov 2019 #72
The difference is Bernie was honest about the middle class being taxed, so no scrutiny warranted. Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #105
This was a very necessary pivot, IMO ecstatic Nov 2019 #15
other candidates health care proposals are paper thin and get no scrutiny. so it goes. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #16
Warren has been targeted by the elites. She scares them to death. Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #18
Plans that include protecting and improving Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare are not thin. These emmaverybo Nov 2019 #86
re: "And why would such a plan be easier to pass than Medicare for All?" thesquanderer Nov 2019 #21
The ability to pass even a plan like this through budget reconcilliation is highly doubtful. tritsofme Nov 2019 #28
Probably helps in Primary, but in General she's still branded as "MFA, even if you don't want it." Hoyt Nov 2019 #31
Unfortunately true, but at least she's responding to reality. Plus OnDoutside Nov 2019 #101
Pramila Jayapal is on board BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #38
Warren is looking for a workable plan to provide affordable health care for all Americans. Nitram Nov 2019 #47
I don't see where she's "backing off", just explaining how to transition from one system Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #51
I am good with this and appreciate her listening to what was being said when standing so strongly Jewls2 Nov 2019 #58
Is this consider a walk back or flip flop? Thought she had strong convictions FloridaBlues Nov 2019 #60
Stand for something ForEverGlades Nov 2019 #71
Is this buying into the Medicare of today forthemiddle Nov 2019 #68
Our taxes already pay for OB/GYN care for poor people. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #73
Just a smal sampling of press coverage on this change Gothmog Nov 2019 #74
Hilarious to see the OP posting Libby Watson articles melman Nov 2019 #81
*I* am "the OP", thank you. One wonders why you don't address "the OP" directly.... George II Nov 2019 #83
lol melman Nov 2019 #84
Nothing to unpack. You bashed me for posting an article from The New Republic.... George II Nov 2019 #88
".. auto kill the messenger.." strikes again.. episode Cha Nov 2019 #98
The New Republic was the first publication to carry an article chronicling the web of Trump's emmaverybo Nov 2019 #89
They've been doing it for more than 100 years (1914), but I guess they're not pure enough for some. George II Nov 2019 #93
Did not know they go back that far. Nothing pure enough for some. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #94
But it's not The Nation. Didn't they scoff at Cha Nov 2019 #99
She saw that it was political suicide. n/t NYMinute Nov 2019 #82
Darn it! I wanted to hear all about it Baked Potato Nov 2019 #87
Ha ha. But any challenge on it brings out a prickly side. She was quite uncomfortable when the emmaverybo Nov 2019 #90
This next debate should be very interesting Baked Potato Nov 2019 #91
Yep squirecam Nov 2019 #119
She should have done that to start with. Blue_true Nov 2019 #92
I agree.. I would have Cha Nov 2019 #100
Physicians for a National Health Program BeckyDem Nov 2019 #96
Warren's plan did not past muster Gothmog Nov 2019 #109
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
1. Hmmm...
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:26 PM
Nov 2019

... I was off, a bit. I predicted she would do this after winning the Nom. But, when I thought that, she looked like she was on a J-curve to the Nom. Now, she's stalled a little - time to readjust may be now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
4. Some of the irrational hatred toward Warren rings true
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:31 PM
Nov 2019

Of sexism...just like Hillary...and it makes me sick.
She is such an intellectual talent that this country doesn’t deserve and wouldn’t appreciate.
I’m starting to really dislike a lot of people in my party and I’m the most yellow of the yellow dog Dems that you will ever know.

It’s just ridiculous the way that she and most any brilliant woman is treated.
We still, as a society, don’t value a woman’s mind and that sickens me.

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highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
7. This critiique of Warren, which you should read in its entirety, was writtens by a woman, and
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:36 PM
Nov 2019

there is nothing remotely "sexist" about it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
12. I dont need to read any more "reviews" about Warren.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:40 PM
Nov 2019

She is by far the best and most qualified person running.
Which means she won’t get the nomination.
Our country no longer values exceptional intellect.
More about the show and likability and having a beer with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
20. There are more important factors than just IQ in picking a leader.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:58 PM
Nov 2019

And for that matter, if we were going on IQ alone, I'd guess Pete Buttigieg might have the highest IQ of any of our candidates.

Wisdom, leadership, experience and political skills are more important.

IMO Warren made a major miscalculation championing MFA in the first place, though she probably made the political calculation that it was necessary if she was going to get more progressives' votes than Sanders would.

IMO she made a second miscalculation in thinking that after she rolled out detailed plans in other policy areas, she could get away with dodging questions on how she'd pay for MFA.

IMO she made a third mistake with her funding plan, which even experts who support her otherwise pointed out was using some questionable numbers, downplaying costs and overestimating revenue.

But she made that mistake because she realized after last month's debate that she was in trouble.

The funding plan wasn't getting her out of trouble, though, so she came up with yet another plan.

And IMO this "transition" plan is a fourth mistake. It's kinda MFA but kinda isn't, and it may alienate those of her supporters who want her to go for MFA right away, but it still won't pick up voters who think MFA itself is a mistake.

It looks like an attempt to be all things to all people.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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wiley

(2,921 posts)
85. Agreed
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:51 PM
Nov 2019

Republicans will have a field day with her Russian nesting doll type plan within a plan within a plan within a plan.

It's called backing it up after your rhetoric gets so over the top voters look at you like you'll promise them a chicken in every pot and lots of pot to smoke with it.

She jumped the shark on this one. No question in my mind that she is going to lose to Pete in Iowa and she knows it.

And all the dark money commercials that are running in Iowa for her haven't been taken down yet.

I know she has pleaded for them to be taken down, and for her long time supporters not to keep spending millions of dollars in dark money on her, but they haven't. Kind of makes her look very, very weak.

The claim that she is being attacked because she is a woman is perhaps the tiredest meme ever created. If that were really a problem how could she have made it so far in her career?

M4A is a really bad idea. She was warned about it. She was confronted on it. Yet she persisted.

Some things have nothing to with a political race or competitive election. They demonstrate someone's personality.

I want a tough and smart leader. Sex is irrelevant.

Stuborn people are just too high maintenance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
108. She passes every test for me.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:58 AM
Nov 2019
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
111. Well
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

She fails a lot for me.

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Unclephil

(92 posts)
22. she has a very narrow constituency
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019

well educated white people.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
29. Most qualified? How? I understand liking her plans, personality, even ideology, but most
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:15 PM
Nov 2019

qualified? So here’s an opening for the leader of the free world, of a superpower, to fill all the responsibilities and powers of the presidency and Warren is the most qualified, job-specific qualified for this position? You may find her particular qualifications most desirable for the presidency, but she is not the “most qualified.”

That would be Biden.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
30. Nope. A one on one debate would show the difference.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:16 PM
Nov 2019

Hope we get that.

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Cha

(295,903 posts)
37. Nope.. Biden is the most qualified to be POTUS.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:33 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
41. She would "beat him like a drum" in a one on one debate.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:45 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
46. No she wouldn't .. Biden will beat the psycho in the WH.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:52 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
48. That, if it were to transpire, would not give her greater qualifications for office. No matter how
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:03 PM
Nov 2019

conversant she is on her own polices, and domestic economic policy in general, she lacks broader vision, any FP credibility, and Biden’s acute emotional IQ and appeal. Presidential debates are not,
as holistically perceived by the public, predominantly an intellectual contest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
49. It would reveal their relative strengths & weaknesses.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:04 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
54. She is an academic, an economic scholar. Biden is not. He has a broad range of other strengths
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:15 PM
Nov 2019

however, that more than compensate. These strengths include those in the realm of knowledge and experience, especially as they pertain to the presidency. Further, Biden connects emotionally with
a wider swath of Americans. This can change. It may change. But right now, unless DU were to be
judging the debates, I would wager Biden’s strengths are most likely to prove wining.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
50. We're not electing a Debater-in-Chief. I've competed in debates, and I don't confuse
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:06 PM
Nov 2019

debate skills with leadership and governing ability.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
53. Mental acuity, logical reasoning, comportment matter.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:12 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
55. They matter most for college debate judges. And Biden's calm, thoughtful, compassionate, and
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:23 PM
Nov 2019

down to earth (+occasionally humorous) demeanor will probably ace the “comportment” category in the American public’s rubric. These debates will be held neither at Miss Porter’s finishing school nor a college. Biden, as so many have noted, has great optics as a tv or movie president. Debates will be
filtered through the medium of tv.


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highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
57. In the artificial world of debate competition, yes. In the real world, and especially the real
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:29 PM
Nov 2019

world of actual politics, they're important but not all-important.

Yes, we want our candidates to be bright and logical. ALL of them are.

And we want them to comport themselves well. ALL of them do.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
59. Great response and absolutely true!
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:32 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
102. Likeability matters most to voters - past elections demonstrate that. N/T
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:14 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
66. She wouldn't beat Biden because Biden knows more about governing...
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:09 AM
Nov 2019

about government policy and agendas. Biden is infinitely more qualified to lead on foreign policy and diplomacy.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
77. Yes! This and this, his FP creds, are crucial in the qualifications America and the world need.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:06 PM
Nov 2019

You go, Joe
America and the world need you.

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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
104. Just like her financial bonafides & willingness to take on Wall Street.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:28 AM
Nov 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
110. Domestic economic policy is important, but foreign policy and relations can make the difference
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:30 PM
Nov 2019

between life and death for billions. Not only America, but the world needs Joe Biden.

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AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
120. Her attempt to tell how to pay for M4A would call into question..
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:54 PM
Nov 2019

the "financial" part of post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
52. "best and most qualified person running"
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:10 PM
Nov 2019
Uh, no.
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,948 posts)
106. Whether she is the "best and most qualified person running" is your subjective view. That she won't
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:46 AM
Nov 2019

get the nomination because of that or any other characteristic is a false assumption.

At this point in time we have four leading candidates leading for the Democratic nomination. Senator Warren is right up there in the top tier, and she absolutely can become the nominee, but so can the others.

There is still a ways to go before we start to see where this is going, and what a good number of the polls do not reflect is that there are still a significant number of undecided voters regarding the Democratic primaries, along with a good number who have indicated that their current candidate preference may change.



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oldsoftie

(12,410 posts)
42. It HAS to be sexist if its critical! Thats the go-to.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:48 PM
Nov 2019

That and/or racist.
Because then you can no longer continue the debate; you've been branded.

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Cha

(295,903 posts)
13. Just because someone doesn't agree with EW
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:42 PM
Nov 2019

doesn't mean they "hate" her.. or they're "sexist".

I still support Hillary.. especially being able to speak out.. she did win 66 Million Votes.

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
32. x1000, Cha
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:20 PM
Nov 2019

I supported Hillary Clinton and I still support her public comments and whatever activism she chooses to engage. That doesn't mean I agreed/agree with every policy proposal or utterance.

Not agreeing with Elizabeth Warren's tortured approach to healthcare reform is not sexist, nor does it mean I 'hate' her. She was/is number 3 on my list of candidates. I simply think she miscalculated the whole healthcare issue. Actually I agree with a comment made by a poster earlier today--Warren was hoping to present herself as a less scary, less extreme version of Bernie Sanders, wrapping her progressive program in a way to appeal to those on the left and those (like myself), the liberal to moderate voter.

It hasn't worked and just left her campaign twisting in the wind, appealing to neither Democratic lane, at least not in the huge numbers I think she may have envisioned.

Warren had an opportunity to pivot but failed to do so. Instead, it appears she still wants to be all things to all people.

That rarely works and it's simply not working now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
43. Miscalculating on the centerpiece of one's candidacy could be an important failure to consider
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:48 PM
Nov 2019

overall in the many leadership tests all Dem candidates will face. For Warren supporters this misstep for being corrected will not be significant and might appear a sign of flexibility. I, however, do not feel reassured by it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
62. Agreed, emmaverybo
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 03:15 AM
Nov 2019

Not a good look.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
40. This has nothing to do with the fact that Warren is a woman....
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:43 PM
Nov 2019

I thought by 2019 we'd be WAY beyond that. Don't you remember who our nominee was in 2016?

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
112. Democrats
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:38 PM
Nov 2019

We do this stuff every time. We are never beyond it.

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bobGandolf

(871 posts)
56. I have recently become very critical of Warren after the last debate.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019

And there is nothing sexist about it.

I was starting to lean toward her because I was impressed with all the policies she had developed, but had some reservations about her being a bit rigid with her policies. The last debate confirmed it for me. She became visibly infuriated when anyone disagreed with her in the slightest way, and acted much like Bernie Sanders (minus the yelling), who I also disfavor. Anything resembling zealotry is a big red flag for me.

It's disingenuous to cry sexism whenever there is criticism of a female candidate. There is very real sexism in this primary (via lack of news coverage for women candidates and media minimizing their potential), and there was insidious and destructive sexist treatment toward Hilary Clinton in 2016.

But I refuse to say something is sexist unless it clearly is so and there is not another equally logical explanation for it. The power of our women's rights efforts is diminished when we are too quick and casual with such accusations.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
63. It is not about sexism and I don't hate Warren
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:00 AM
Nov 2019

I just don’t want her to screw up the healthcare that my husband earned after 20 years in the military. He is planning to retire in about two years and she is talking about taking his insurance? Good luck with that Elizabeth. Even if she says she won’t do that now I’m not sure I believe her. She has been like a dog with a bone about Medicare for all. I’m supposed to believe that she would just drop it. Don’t get me wrong. I love pretty much everything else about Elizabeth. She is the only one that makes me feel something when I listen to bits of her rally. I have like her since Hillary was running and she would take it to Trump. I actually wanted her to run back then. However, I will not vote for a candidate in the primary that has told me that she would not give us an option to keep our insurance. Which is exactly why I changed from undecided to Biden. No longer wavering between the two.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
76. Wow
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:58 PM
Nov 2019

"I just don’t want her to screw up the healthcare that my husband earned after 20 years in the military."

Really? that is about the most ridiculous response I have ever heard next to a trumper responses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
78. Voicing what millions of Americans, many Democrats, feel borders on Trumpism? Why do you
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:16 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:03 PM - Edit history (1)

think Warren is stepping away from her original plan? Liking one’s healthcare, which one has worked for, is not tantamount to denying health care for others. Finally, Warren is listening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
79. Biden isnt working toward Universal healthcare and never will be
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:28 PM
Nov 2019

Time to really face reality centerists

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
114. Reality
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:40 PM
Nov 2019

The reality is M4A won’t pass if it eliminates private insurance.

The public option is the only passable option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
117. and as long as the dems keep repeating that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
121. Truth
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:55 PM
Nov 2019

Truth hurts sometimes.

It won’t get through the senate, even at 50 votes.

Are you going to work within reality, or forge ahead with healthcare brexit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
124. the truth would be that people like biden profit from the insurance companies and have zero interest
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:17 PM
Nov 2019

in M4a because of his donors more than any support it has now

or ever will have .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
113. Um
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:39 PM
Nov 2019

Blowing up the system is crazy. Not the response to it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
115. it is already blown up
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:41 PM
Nov 2019

what is being talked about is what will replace it for the nation as a whole, not just the vets

which i am also one of and rely on the VA so also have a personal interest in as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
122. And
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:57 PM
Nov 2019

I have multiple pre existing conditions which make the specifics of health care policy important to me too. It’s not just the military. Though I respect you for your service.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
123. It is personal for everyone
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:03 PM
Nov 2019

and it isn't about one-upsmanship, but just because it is working for a few ( and the VA works Ok for me)
doesn't mean the rest should suffer and they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
6. This was anything but a "brilliant" move on Warren's part. Read the entire piece.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:35 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
9. Folks seem to forget
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

that a President can't do things all by him or herself. They have to work with the House and Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to DownriverDem (Reply #9)

 

Unclephil

(92 posts)
23. How come she can't remember
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:02 PM
Nov 2019

her first presidential vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Unclephil (Reply #23)

 

Unclephil

(92 posts)
27. I do think she is very smart
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019

I think she has to be realistic. No one wants something shoved down their throat. I am all for single payer. I have been buying insurance for 20 years on the open market. It is terrible. That being said it is a long haul to get it passed. The first thing is having business buy in.

Take away the tax deduction and tax the benefit as income which it should be. Why should people who buy their own get penalized? It took Canada a long time to get it through.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Unclephil (Reply #27)

 

Unclephil

(92 posts)
34. The electorate is different
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:27 PM
Nov 2019

than DU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
35. The rankings on DU and the eventual nominee haven't always matched, to put it mildly.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:28 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,410 posts)
44. Actually "undecided" has a wide lead on DU. For a reason, obviously.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:50 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
69. Are you certain you know the reason?
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:46 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
75. That poster is still here....can you answer the questions?
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:36 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
103. That's a question that I would like an answer to. Welcome to DU!
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:26 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Unclephil

(92 posts)
107. Like me it was her first presidential vote
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:56 AM
Nov 2019

I was the last of the people who had to be 21 to vote. You don't forget your forget presidential vote. Mine was McGovern It was a big deal. Nixon? etc. Supply side became big post Nixon. It is the basis of income inequality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
80. No warren supporter forgets that
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:33 PM
Nov 2019

if we cant get supermajorities in the house and senate than it really doesnt matter who is in charge as long as it is a dem,

but I would still rather have warren pushing for more progressive programs than having Biden reliving his glory years legislation of the mid-1990s when the Dems helped pass the Republican bills that got us where we are right now!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
61. Brilliant people....
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:24 AM
Nov 2019

Don't marry the wrong policy and then double down on it until they drop in the polls and then try to reverse it. They don't, very publicly, attack the people whos policy positions they are now adopting as "republicans."

Warren isn't forming coherent policy, she's putting her finger in the wind and trying to find which way the wind is blowing. Biden and Pete are doing well running against M4A, so now Warren is going to try to run against the plan she has be running on for the past year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. The insurance companies are spending billions to frighten people,
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:28 PM
Nov 2019

all so they can continue to make money by denying care to their customers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
10. Harry and Louise. Democrats used to recognize it and fight back.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:22 AM - Edit history (2)

Now some of them will just cower.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
14. Now, many repeat the insurance company nonsense. eom
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:45 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
70. Insurance companies are the culprit in a number of our societal ills.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:51 PM
Nov 2019

They are all marketing and money-making. They’re one of the main reasons health care costs are so high, as they charge exorbitant amounts to insure doctors, who then have to pass on the costs. They try to shift blame to the plaintiffs’ lawyers and demonize them, but that’s a cynical farce.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
95. But their propaganda works.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:22 PM
Nov 2019

Many are afraid of single payer even though it has proven to work better, and for less per person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
97. Let's hope there's a real, substantive exploration of this by the media this election cycle!
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:36 PM
Nov 2019

A girl can dream...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
5. Wow. Hope people read the entire thing. The rest of it is even more critical of Warren's
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:33 PM
Nov 2019

new plan.

Especially this paragraph:

But Warren can’t possibly believe that 2023—a year after midterm elections that traditionally tend to reduce the number of legislators in the president’s party—would be a more auspicious time to enact a single-payer bill. Her latest proposal, then, is smoke and mirrors, a red herring—any cliche you like. It looks as if Warren’s feet of clay have returned, and that this proposal merely allows her to continue to claim that she supports Medicare for All. Under a Warren presidency, we would be immensely lucky to see her pass a public option that remains as generous as the one she outlined on her website today. Rallying support in her third year to bring about an even larger overhaul of the system is incredibly quixotic.


And the author concludes that either Warren's naive, or she believes voters are.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
17. Yep, she's a horrible choice. How dare she even run? Good grief.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:54 PM
Nov 2019

I’m so sick of it.
We DONT DESERVE HER.
Let’s settle for Biden who will want the GOP to like him and get along and make no big changes.
I love Joe but he had his chance in 2016 and didn’t take it.
We need a woman.
I’m a man who says we need a strong 💪 brilliant woman at this point in our history.
I don’t care about her health care policy and the minutiae of it.
She needs to be our President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
36. I'm a woman who supported HRC and who wants our nominee to be the candidate with the
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

best chance of beating Trump, getting helpful legislation passed, and uniting the country.

I see Biden as that candidate, with no one else even close at this point.

As much as I'd like to see a woman president in my lifetime, I make my decisions based on qualifications other than gender.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
39. Settle? Lucky such a qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable candidate as Biden
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:39 PM
Nov 2019

is running. That he has greater support among the black electorate speaks to more than electability. More important it speaks to his potential to represent and to unify the widest swath
of American voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
118. Then
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019

I’m with Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
24. I think most people agree that it is unlikely that ANY candidate could pass MFA in year one.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:03 PM
Nov 2019

Even the MFA plans that are out there talk about phasing it in. You could look at this as just Warren being a bit more specific about the phase-in process. In year one, pass what can be passed with reconciliation, and begin getting more people comfortable with "Medicare for more". If things go well with the plan AND with the midterms, they can look to take the next step in 2023. It might not happen, but it's not entirely inconceivable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dlk

(11,433 posts)
8. Yet, Bernie's M4A plan doesn't receive the same level scrutiny
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:37 PM
Nov 2019

Isn't he a viable candidate, too?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blaukraut

(5,689 posts)
19. Very odd, isn't it?
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:57 PM
Nov 2019

Somehow, Bernie skates right on through without any of the criticism that has been leveled at Warren for advocating the same damn thing. Biden hasn't aimed his fire at Sanders, either, but has had plenty of ridicule for Warren's plan. Now that Sanders has overtaken Warren in the polls, can we expect some of that same scrutiny being redirected toward him? I mean, that was the reason everyone went after Elizabeth, wasn't it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
65. Elizabeth went after Biden first. The others went after Warren because she was not truthful about
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:15 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

how she would pay for her plan. We know what Bernie believes. He also admitted that taxes would increase for middle class. That is all the candidates wanted her to admit at the debate. However, she would not do that and her poll numbers (outside of DU) started to drop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dlk

(11,433 posts)
67. I think Warren was avoiding creating a sound bite for Republicans to use against her in an ad
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:44 AM
Nov 2019

Lawrence O’Donnell brought up this idea on his show. Also, the papers and pundits have been much more demanding for details of Warren’s plan than Bernie. It’s a glaring and disheartening double standard. That was my point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to dlk (Reply #8)

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
72. Bernie is handling PR and the media very smartly.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:06 PM
Nov 2019

Often times it's about handling things in a smart way. Bernie is brilliant!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
105. The difference is Bernie was honest about the middle class being taxed, so no scrutiny warranted.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 08:30 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
15. This was a very necessary pivot, IMO
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:51 PM
Nov 2019

I got really nervous when she appeared to double and triple down on MFA after the last debate. I wasn't sure I'd be able to get to the finish line with her after that (and I believe she lost a lot of support as a result). Now I feel a lot more comfortable but I still need her to lose the timeline. One thing I've learned after observing this trump debacle is to never say never. Anything is possible at this point, and I want my candidate's platform to consist of things that I'd be comfortable with were they to become a reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
16. other candidates health care proposals are paper thin and get no scrutiny. so it goes.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
18. Warren has been targeted by the elites. She scares them to death.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:56 PM
Nov 2019

Part of why I support her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
86. Plans that include protecting and improving Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare are not thin. These
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

healthcare programs are viable, proven to give good quality care, and people like them. We don’t know, if by a miracle M4All passes, how long it will take, and what it will look like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
21. re: "And why would such a plan be easier to pass than Medicare for All?"
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:58 PM
Nov 2019

That seems to be answered in the previous paragraph of the same piece:

"Her administration would use budget reconciliation to avoid the Senate filibuster and pass with only 51 votes"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(17,322 posts)
28. The ability to pass even a plan like this through budget reconcilliation is highly doubtful.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:13 PM
Nov 2019

The filibuster is going to be the major issue of 2021.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. Probably helps in Primary, but in General she's still branded as "MFA, even if you don't want it."
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:17 PM
Nov 2019

But, a Public Option -- with significantly increased subsidies -- will get us to "MFA" faster.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,906 posts)
101. Unfortunately true, but at least she's responding to reality. Plus
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 07:20 AM
Nov 2019

having said she would get rid of private healthcare will be played as nauseum by republicans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,281 posts)
38. Pramila Jayapal is on board
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:39 PM
Nov 2019

But what does she know compared with a scribbler from The New Republic?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nitram

(22,671 posts)
47. Warren is looking for a workable plan to provide affordable health care for all Americans.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:53 PM
Nov 2019

She is willing to do the work to crunch numbers and work with the powers that be to get it done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,367 posts)
51. I don't see where she's "backing off", just explaining how to transition from one system
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:09 PM
Nov 2019

To the other. I don't see any change from M4A as the final destination, only a more detailed plan on how to get there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Jewls2

(218 posts)
58. I am good with this and appreciate her listening to what was being said when standing so strongly
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:31 PM
Nov 2019

with M4A. I was hoping she would re-evaluate, and re-evaluated she did. I can respect this. I was going to have to move away from her, but was confident in the way she runs her campaign that she would shift.

Works for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

FloridaBlues

(3,993 posts)
60. Is this consider a walk back or flip flop? Thought she had strong convictions
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:02 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ForEverGlades

(64 posts)
71. Stand for something
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:05 PM
Nov 2019

Undecided seems to be strong in most state polls.
Agree Florida is no different, Blues?

Biden would win easily here in South Florida right now due to name recognition alone from what I've seen and heard.

It's gonna be tough for lesser-known candidates who state strong positions then walk them back.
No one will have a substantive reason to support them.
Hard to see flip-flopping as a strength in this crowded field.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forthemiddle

(1,373 posts)
68. Is this buying into the Medicare of today
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

Or the mythical Medicare that Medicare for All would become?

As of today, Medicare doesn’t cover most routine pediatric care, because it doesn’t need to. It also doesn’t cover any obstetrics care, again because it doesn’t need too. Yet this marketing seems to be for all newborns, throughout their lives, and low income families, who presumably will need OB/GYN care.

So for her new plan to work, she would need to totally revamp Medicare’s coverage, and also increase the taxes to do so, all within her first 100 days? No way that will work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
73. Our taxes already pay for OB/GYN care for poor people.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:27 PM
Nov 2019

We just do it in the most inefficient way possible and receive worse outcomes than almost every other OECD state - ranked 33 out of 36.

So we pay two to three times more than need and let more kids die needlessly while doing it. Ain’t America great!


Medicare exists because the free market insurance industry that everyone suddenly loves left old people to fend for themselves.

Medicare is weak because you can’t run an “insurance industry” while segregating the old sick people risk pool from the young healthy people risk pool. That’s now how insurance is supposed to work.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
74. Just a smal sampling of press coverage on this change
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 03:20 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
81. Hilarious to see the OP posting Libby Watson articles
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:34 PM
Nov 2019

But any port in a storm I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
83. *I* am "the OP", thank you. One wonders why you don't address "the OP" directly....
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:15 PM
Nov 2019

...but in third person. That's insulting.

Still, do you know ANYTHING about The New Republic? In case not, here is a little bit of explanation from their website:

https://newrepublic.com/pages/about

The New Republic was founded in 1914 as a journal of opinion which seeks to meet the challenge of a new time. For over 100 years, we have championed progressive ideas and challenged popular opinion. Our vision for today revitalizes our founding mission for our new time. The New Republic promotes novel solutions for today’s most critical issues. We don’t lament intractable problems; our journalism debates complex issues, and takes a stance. Our biggest stories are commitments for change.

Today, The New Republic is the voice of creative thinkers, united by a collective desire to challenge the status quo.


So someone who presumably supports AOC and Sanders, what's your problem with a publication that "champions progressive ideas"? Are you in favor of "the status quo". Or is it just because *I* posted it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
84. lol
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:48 PM
Nov 2019

A lot to unpack there so I'll leave it at that. Many many lols.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
88. Nothing to unpack. You bashed me for posting an article from The New Republic....
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 07:02 PM
Nov 2019

...which has been a progressive publication for more than 100 years. Surely a self-proclaimed progressive would know about The New Republic and their political political positions. Hint:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-republic/

?w=600&ssl=1

As for your "many many lols"....



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,903 posts)
98. ".. auto kill the messenger.." strikes again.. episode
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:38 AM
Nov 2019

too numerous to count.

It never works.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
89. The New Republic was the first publication to carry an article chronicling the web of Trump's
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 07:04 PM
Nov 2019

Russian affiliations (mob, Oligarchs) written by Craig Unger. An eye-opener read, its facts have only been cemented in the years since.

The New Republic has been both progressive and liberal for as far back as it goes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
93. They've been doing it for more than 100 years (1914), but I guess they're not pure enough for some.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:15 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
94. Did not know they go back that far. Nothing pure enough for some.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:22 PM
Nov 2019
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
99. But it's not The Nation. Didn't they scoff at
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:41 AM
Nov 2019

Russian interference in the election?

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
82. She saw that it was political suicide. n/t
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 05:46 PM
Nov 2019
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Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
87. Darn it! I wanted to hear all about it
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:56 PM
Nov 2019

at the debates.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
90. Ha ha. But any challenge on it brings out a prickly side. She was quite uncomfortable when the
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 07:11 PM
Nov 2019

target was on her back. So perhaps she will be less defensive this time. Thus supporters will not have to accuse Biden of displaying toxic masculinity and go on and on about Warren being unfairly
attacked. We might finally learn her plan’s advantages as she sees them.

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Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
91. This next debate should be very interesting
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 07:32 PM
Nov 2019

With everything that has transpired since the last one.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
119. Yep
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:45 PM
Nov 2019

Looking forward to it.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
92. She should have done that to start with.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 07:49 PM
Nov 2019

I feel that her full-square embrace of Bernie's "take it or else" plan was a huge tactical mistake. She could have embraced the goal of MFA, but pointed out that she would glide path the ACA to get there in x years of her first term.

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Cha

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100. I agree.. I would have
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:43 AM
Nov 2019

been impressed with that scenario.

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BeckyDem

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96. Physicians for a National Health Program
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

By Don McCanne, M.D.

As promised, Elizabeth Warren is proposing dramatic transitional steps in improving our health care financing system, ending in the third year with a full transformation into a bona fide single-payer improved Medicare for All program. The sketchy details of the transformation are spelled out in her article, but much more important is that the end goal of a single payer model of Medicare for All is not compromised. It really can be achieved.

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https://pnhp.org/news/elizabeth-warrens-proposed-transition-to-medicare-for-all/

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
109. Warren's plan did not past muster
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:07 PM
Nov 2019
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