NEW POLL: Nearly half of Americans think Democrats have moved too far to the left

[Gothmog]

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Nearly half of respondents in a new poll said the Democratic Party has moved "too far left."
The survey from Quinnipiac University Poll released Wednesday found that 47 percent of registered voters polled said the Democratic Party has moved “too far left;" however, most of those voters identified as Republicans.

The poll found that 79 percent of Republicans surveyed said the Democrats had moved too far left, but only 17 percent of Democrats agreed. Just under half, or 48 percent, of independents said the party has drifted too far left.

There was also a gap by gender, with 57 percent of male respondents saying the party was too far to the left and only 37 percent of women saying the same. Similarly, the view was split by race, with 53 percent of white voters polled agreeing, 33 percent of Hispanic voters and just 17 percent of black voter

[ZZenith]

1. Ok. Now how many think the Republican Party has moved too far to the right?

Where’s that poll?

[TruckFump]

3. +1

[pintobean]

6. Not in the Democratic Primaries forum of DU.

[DownriverDem]

26. Does that really matter?

We are a Center/Left country. Too many folks don't get that.

[ZZenith]

30. Yes it does matter.

When you’re in a car and the madman at the wheel has yanked it hard right, about to send you off a cliff, turning the wheel back to the middle will not suffice.

[DonCoquixote]

62. make this an op

it says everything needed

[Thomas Hurt]

29. too far Right? How about out and out fascist.

[ZZenith]

33. Answered my own question.

According to their poll, only 58% of Democrats think the GOP has gone too far to the right.

Which tells me their poll is codswallop.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. "Codswallop"? Isn't this the same poll that showed Warren jumping out to a +7 point lead?

Either the poll is credible or it's not. We can't cherry pick the parts we like, and dismiss the ones we don't.

[Sloumeau]

58. From the same poll:

By contrast, 37 percent of respondents said the Republican Party had moved “too far right.” The poll found just 12 percent of Republicans agreed with the statement, but 58 percent of Democrats and 43 percent of independents agreed.

[List left]

67. That was my first thought...and wondering why that question never gets asked! nt

[Groundhawg]

92. We haven't moved far enough left.

[DemocracyMouse]

103. Thank you!

Another way to put it:

We haven't moved far enough back to sanity, balance, compassion and TRADITIONAL new deal progressive tax rates and well-funded schools.

The terms "left" and "right" are flim flam terms that have almost no meaning.

[Duppers]

107. That "poll" is from "The Hill" - see...

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212622807



However, Bill Maher made some good points last night about how we Dems are sabotaging our chances. He and Chris Como agree that we will lose, according to the polls, if our candidate is identified as a *"Socialist."*

Sigh.

[mopinko]

2. a sounding of the echo chamber. nothing more.

[Skidmore]

42. Easily dismissed,

doesn't mean it will go away.

[paleotn]

59. operative words...."however, most of those voters identified as Republicans."

These people aren't voting for Dems of any stripe, since they think we're all raving commies. So what's the point?

[HerbChestnut]

4. Those statistics tell the real story.

Most people who feel that way are white male republicans. Only 17% of Democrats agree. Sounds like Bernie and Elizabeth are on to something.

[NurseJackie]

5. That doesn't surprise me at all.

The center is where it's AT!

[HerbChestnut]

8. According to the data...

...47% of Republicans share that sentiment, along with 17% of Democrats. Sounds like you fit in more with the Republicans on this one.

[melman]

14. It sure does sound like that

[HerbChestnut]

37. Thanks.

[NurseJackie]

75. ...

[George II]

96. .....

[George II]

93. Not at all. She fits in more with the 17% of the Democrats who share that sentiment....

....(if those numbers are accurate)

That's going on quite a long limb, claiming that a member of Democratic Underground fits in with republicans. I believe you owe her an apology.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

112. She she fits in with a larger percentage of Republicans than Democrats.

That's not a long climb. That's correct interpretation of the data in the OP.

[Turin_C3PO]

11. Most Democrats don't agree it's gone too far left.

It’s mostly Republicans who feel that way.

[Tiggeroshii]

15. I would argue that the center has moved far to the right.

A funny thing I realized recently is that republicans have only won the popular vote for president once since 1988. Which I think reflects that all policy that brought this country further right (along with the center) influenced by republican presidents was at odds with the will of the voters.

[NurseJackie]

40. By definition, the center is always in the center. If it was 'too far to the right" ...

By definition, the center is always in the center. If it was 'too far to the right" then it wouldn't be in the center.

[melman]

46. No

All I'm saying is you're actually wrong. If everything moves to the right that would include the center.

[NurseJackie]

50. ...

If everything moves to the right that would include the center.

Then that point wouldn't be the center, it would be a point that has moved away from the actual center. The center remains the center regardless of what may be happening around it.

All I'm saying is you're actually wrong.

No I'm not.

[Tiggeroshii]

55. If the center is always the center, then how would you say is the center defined?

If not by current policy trends?

[NurseJackie]

72. I do not know how to help you. Either you get it or you don't.

I've been as clear and honest and straightforward as I can be... and all I get are insults in return.

[Tiggeroshii]

86. Sorry for the insults. I honestly am trying to understand your point of view

Here. Especially since the spectrum can be so starkly different depending on region, like how the center in europe is far to the left than here. Largely based on current policy trends in the region.

[NurseJackie]

88. You have not insulted me. Others have.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[redqueen]

48. The entire political landscape in the US is way to the right

so by definition, the center of that landscape is indeed more to the right than the objective left.

Just comparing them to the left in the US is misleading. Nixon was a more leftist president than any other in my lifetime.

[Celerity]

70. if the entire main continuum is dragged to the right, then the 'centre' of that continuum is also

moved to the right.

Moderate and centre left Dems would be considered mildly centre RW in many European countries, and centrists and especially Blue Dog and Problem Solver Democratic members would be considered regular RW to even the farthest right on the 'regular' RW parties.

The political prism in the US is so distorted vis-a-vis most of the rest of the advanced Western world. My Euro/UK politics are much to the left of my American politics, simply because of the impossibly of getting an actual left, social democratic (NOT democratic socialist, which doesn't exist for ANY federally elected politician, Bernie is 100% falsely mis-labelling there) agenda passed here under the current RW-gerrymandered, voter suppressed and overall propagandised system.

[NurseJackie]

71. From where I'm sitting it still looks like the center to me.

Moderate and centre left Dems would be considered mildly centre RW in many European countries, and centrists and especially Blue Dog and Problem Solver Democratic members would be considered regular RW to even the farthest right on the 'regular' RW parties.

Oh, well that's different then.

At least you didn't call me a Republican.

[Celerity]

74. what?

At least you didn't call me a Republican.

Why would I call anyone (other than a troll) a Republican?

[NurseJackie]

76. You wouldn't.

Why would I call anyone (other than a troll) a Republican?

You wouldn't. YOU didn't.

[Celerity]

77. thank you

[Celerity]

82. I forgot to continue with my analogy

The AVERAGE US Rethug would be considered a completely wild-eyed ultra radical RWer in much of Europe (and elsewhere), and the MAGAT types, say the farthest RW third of the party, would be,(say here in Sweden), charged with hets mot folkgrupp ie. verbal hate crimes against people and booted out of the Riksdag (our parliament). The same for many other counties. Fox News was on here a long time ago, and was eventually banned for hate speech.

[NurseJackie]

83. I'm just a loyal Democrat who lives in a "trailer"...

... and people ridicule me for that too.

[Celerity]

85. well, that is just flat out bigotry based off perceived class, fuck those people nt

[rampartc]

7. sounds like nearly 1/2 of all americans don't know what direction "left" is.

[HerbChestnut]

12. Another way to look at it is that over half of Americans agree...

...with the Direction of the Democratic Party.

[rampartc]

18. is it possible to disagree with the direction of the party

without thinking that it is moving "too far left?"

[HerbChestnut]

38. If you're someone who doesn't view politics as a left-right paradigm, yes!

Doesn't make for as good a headline though

[TwilightZone]

39. Not according to the data.

51% said it's moved too far one way or the other. Another 7% were DK/NA.

42% said it hasn't moved too far.

Question #24 in the survey:

24. Would you say that the Democratic Party has moved too far to the left, too far to the right, or would you say the Democratic Party hasn't moved too far in either direction?

Too far left 47%
Too far right 4
Not too far 42
DK/NA 7

[HerbChestnut]

44. You're right, I didn't see the more detailed breakdown.

[KPN]

52. Exactly. No Democrat should think we've moved too far to the left.

If anything, we’ve moved way too far to the right.

Scare tactics going on here.

[griffi94]

9. And about 90% of Republicans support Trump.

Having the opposition disagree with you is good.

[ritapria]

10. We have a 2 party systen in this county

We don't need 2 Republican Partys . One is more than enough

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

13. They haven't polled me!

We are nowhere near as far left as we ought to be!

[Magoo48]

57. That's the truth.

What we have now is center left, center, and center right +. There is no true left in the party to speak of, and we’re much the worse off for it.

[melman]

16. "nearly half"

That means most don't think that.

[pecosbob]

17. The party moved leftward?

Who says?

[griffi94]

19. According to this poll, Republicans.

[pecosbob]

20. Must have missed the email...

[Efilroft Sul]

21. Republicans are the last people anyone should take advice from.

We just need to keep on, keepin' on and do what Democrats do best.

[griffi94]

23. I find Republicans less than trustworthy as sources.

Remember in 2018 how the mid-terms were going to be a red wave because the Democrats had
gone too far left? That stupid Justwalkaway meme. Now we're being threatened with civil war if the rule
of law is applied to Trump. This is more BS for the RW echo chamber.

[Efilroft Sul]

65. They're all about wanting another civil war.

Every time a Republican blusters about his superior firepower (and it's almost always a man), I tell him it means nothing if we now know who exactly to shoot when they get their precious civil war. Gun-owning Democrats tend to keep quiet about their arsenals, and I like to keep Republicans guessing about who else is armed. It's food for thought for them, you know? Kind of like a 3000-calorie hamberder for their Trump-wired brains.

[TheRealNorth]

66. +1

They are the ones talking about 2nd Ammendment remedies and threatening Civil war, and they are accusing Democrats of being too extreme?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. Suuurrrre... obvious where that's coming from!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

24. Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing

Link to tweet

[empedocles]

68. Hard data. Non-DU types that I know don't trust left Dems on healthcare.

Healthcare will continue to be a big, big issue.

[Gothmog]

69. This will be an easy issue for the GOP/trump to use

[NurseJackie]

73. I do not support "Medicare for All".

I'm familiar with what those terms mean.

[Gothmog]

115. Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis

This is from a non-partisan think group that is well respected http://www.crfb.org/papers/choices-financing-medicare-all-preliminary-analysis

Proposals to adopt single-payer health care in the United States have grown in popularity in recent years, as numerous lawmakers and presidential candidates have embraced Medicare for All. However, few have grappled with how to finance the new costs imposed on the federal government. By most estimates, Medicare for All would cost the federal government about $30 trillion over the next decade. How this cost is financed would have considerable distributional, economic, and policy implications.

In the coming months, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget will publish a detailed analysis describing numerous ways to finance Medicare for All and the consequences and trade-offs associated with each choice. This paper provides our preliminary estimates of the magnitude of each potential change and a brief discussion of the types of trade-offs policymakers will need to consider.

We find that Medicare for All could be financed with:

A 32 percent payroll tax
A 25 percent income surtax
A 42 percent value-added tax (VAT)
A mandatory public premium averaging $7,500 per capita – the equivalent of $12,000 per individual not otherwise on public insurance
More than doubling all individual and corporate income tax rates
An 80 percent reduction in non-health federal spending
A 108 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) increase in the national debt
Impossibly high taxes on high earners, corporations, and the financial sector
A combination of approaches

Each of these choices would have consequences for the distribution of income, growth in the economy, and ability to raise new revenue. Some of these consequences could be balanced against each other by adopting a combination approach that includes smaller versions of several of the options as well as additional policies.

[pnwpolicy]

25. OR

Vast majority of Democrats and majority of independents think the party hasn't.

[redqueen]

45. That's what the headline should have been,

if it wasn't all about clicks and manipulation.

[bluewater]

27. Would that "nearly half" of Americans be the Republicans and their alt-right Nazi buddies?

[redqueen]

28. LOL I love the difference btw the headline and the data.

No surprises at all in this NEW POLL

[TwilightZone]

36. The data backs the headline.

47% can be reasonably considered "nearly half".

Question #24 in the survey:

24. Would you say that the Democratic Party has moved too far to the left, too far to the right, or would you say the Democratic Party hasn't moved too far in either direction?

Too far left 47%
Too far right 4
Not too far 42
DK/NA 7

[redqueen]

41. Yes, it's a very eye catching headline to be sure.

However, if you break that down into something that's actually meaningful, it becomes clear what a silly waste of time the piece is.

After all, why should we care if republicans think the Dem party has moved too far left. Are we expecting them to vote for our candidates en masse? Hardly.

Take out that segment and you have data thars actually useful. Not so likely to get clicks, though.

This is the kind of nonsense that is responsible for pushing this country so far right.

[Peacetrain]

32. well to be honest.. I think both parties are moving to far to their edges

nothing gets done that way

[redstatebluegirl]

34. That is what I hear all the time from friends in Illinois, Indiana and Nebraska.

All are Democrats, many long time democrats. I hope the far left of the party doesn't totally take over before 2020 or we are going to lose and there will be 4 more years of the orange wonder.

I am not saying i don't agree with them, but now is not the time.

[tenderfoot]

35. Interesting, there seems to be no limit to how far to the right anything can go.

Any push back to the past forty years of trickle-down is just too far to the left.

[redqueen]

43. Right?

Funny how that works.

[Jspur]

47. Yup that tends to get me

angry. I'm considered a radical communist leftist simply because I want to increase taxation on the rich and corporations. That's how low my demands and expectations of the democratic party have become. But that's considered too extreme by these right wing clowns and independents. I have to say fuck them. America used to have the tax system I wanted from 1940-1980 and nobody back then besides the rich considered it extreme.

[Thekaspervote]

49. Thx for posting Gothmog!!

[Gothmog]

91. I like numbers

[Hortensis]

51. The primaries will fix most of that. Of course toxic media

will accuse even reforms and advances by Biden, Klobuchar or? , which large bipartisan majorities of Americans want, of being extremist/socialist, but only those who want to believe lies like that will.

[thewhollytoast]

53. "Oh the motherfucking cranberries!

Anyone that even thinks that things should be better is now portrayed as one of those filthy leftists. Center = Mediocre no path forward-stuck in the mud. "Can't I have my SUV and eat it too?" Nearly half of American's can shove their notions up their ass.

The oceans are rising people - get with the fucking program. Idiots!

fuck, just fuck,

Toast

[Autumn]

54. "however, most of those voters identified as Republicans." Well there you go

The other half of America thinks Republicans are fucking crazy. So fuck Republicans and their opinions. I can't see how any Democrat gives a flying fuck what Republicans think.

[BeyondGeography]

56. +1

I want to know what’s the pain threshold for the 21 percent of Republicans who think we haven’t moved too far to the left. Sounds like we still have some wiggle room.

[paleotn]

60. Seriously....

The bulk of those Republicans still think Hillary Clinton personally murdered Vince Foster. We can't reach those people. We can't. They'll never, ever vote for a Dem. What we can do is capture that 53%.....the majority, by the way...and expand that by registering more voters, particularly young voters and people of color. The 47% we can't reach, thankfully, are dying off a few more every single day.

[Autumn]

63. Exactly. They are also the same fucking people who claim Obama was born in Kenya.

Fuck Republicana and fuck their silly bullshit that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left. They whine because their party is insane and there's no coming back from that. They want us to move to where they were so they feel better.

[Maven]

80. Exactly. This is a total BS story

from a right-leaning political tabloid.

[dchill]

61. So, more than half of Americans don't think that.

[kurtcagle]

64. Framing

I find it intriguing how the message is framed. There is no mention about what percentage feel the country has moved too far to the right. Moreover, if reframed, it says that 21 percent of Republicans believe that the country has not moved too far to the left, that the overwhelming majority (83%) of Democrats believe that it has moved too far to the right, and that 52% of all independents do not believe that it has gone too far to the left.

Link to the latest poll
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3645

Think I find interesting is that 43% of the population believes we've moved too far to the right, only marginally less than the 47% who feel it's gone too far to the left. This isn't that surprising - the Democratic party overall is still fairly pluralistic.

Looking at the overall poll though, you can tell that the Hill definitely cherry picked its statistics - dig into the details and it looks pretty bad for the Republicans at this stage all across the board.

[doc03]

78. I agree most of our candidates are to far left

for me but all of them are better than Trump.

[redstatebluegirl]

126. I agree, I have a couple of them I would have to hold my nose but I would vote for them.

I think we do hurt the party if we move so far left that we lose the middle of the country. You can't win with just both coasts.

Any true Democrat would be better than the orange wonder.

[doc03]

128. It seems everyone is caught up with the popular

vote, that does't mean squat. We could win 100% of the vote on the coasts but we have to carry the more conservative states in the flyover country to elect a president. I can see Biden winning maybe but I wish we had more centrist choices.

[Maven]

79. "however, most of those voters identified as Republicans"

In other words, this is a non-story from a right-wing rag (The Hill).

Thread over.

[Blue_true]

81. The Hill is a questionable source. It has known rightwing writers.

In fact I think Americans are split and the same factions are holding tight to their own beliefs.

[TidalWave46]

84. This isn't a bad thing.

A lot of the perception is also just that, perception. We are at a time when groups are being defined by the most aggressive Twitter users among them.

[Fiendish Thingy]

87. Who gives a fuck what Republicans think?

Democrats don't think their party is too far Left, and that's all that matters.

[Firestorm49]

89. Republicans go to extreme right in an effort to

Get us to move more to the right. If we move to the left, our side doesn’t understand?

We’re still mis-understanding what we’re up against.

[Gothmog]

90. There are more moderates and slightly liberals in the party compared to extreme liberals

Link to tweet

Former vice president Joe Biden is embracing his role as the leading moderate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary field. He has at times adopted an almost curmudgeonly tone about his opponents’ embrace of more progressive policies, preferring a nostalgia for the way things were back in the good old days of, say, 2015.

It’s an approach that, at first, seems at odds with where the party is going. We’ve noted previously that Democrats are increasingly likely to identify themselves as liberals, a trend that probably helps explain why so many of the 2020 candidates have embraced progressive positions — and why more progressive candidates have entered the race.

Polling, though, suggests that this may not be a foolproof strategy. For one thing, a crowd of more progressive candidates (an admittedly nebulous designation) will compete for the same voters, freeing Biden to vacuum up support from moderates. But polling also shows that Democrats overall aren’t necessarily prioritizing a candidate who espouses progressive policies. The data below are from a recent CNN-SSRS poll: More Democrats think it’s important for a nominee to work with Republicans than to support liberal policies.


.....

[myohmy2]

94. "...however, most of those voters identified as Republicans."

...to be ignored...

...cooked polls mean nothing to me...

...

[Doodley]

95. Left and right are fluid constructs. I'm from the UK, and I can tell you, the Democratic Party is

on the right by British standards and the Republican Party is so far right that it would be considered a far-right white nationalist party.

[Celerity]

118. Thank you! (I am West London raised) and this is even more the case

for many other nations here in the EU. I am in Sweden for post grad uni and so many US Democratic 'centrists' would be on the farthest right of the mainstream centre right party, Nya Moderaterna (New Moderates, what use to be called the Conservatives.) The vast majority of Rethugs would be off the charts rightwing. Hell, even SD (Sverigedemokraterna, aka the Sweden Democrats, the far right nationalist party) might not take some as even they are still mostly for a fairly expansive welfare state.

[kcr]

97. Yes. The nearly half who vote Republican.

This isn't news.

[tiredtoo]

98. Or to put it another way

More than half of Americans don't think the Democrats have moved too far left.

[emmaverybo]

99. I personally don't care about the direction. It's the promise of stuff that's not even needed--

not by all who would benefit—at time when basics are threatened and underfunded.

We are told the plan is to Tax the rich and stop wars. Get it from the defense budget. Crap. That talk is for 60s college hippies. The reality is higher taxes for reinventing the wheel, giving to the rich along with working class, and bad prioritizing. I mean student debt comes before helping folks save their homes from foreclosure? Before children’s lunch programs? Low income family needs?

200 billion for the opioid crisis is a crisis de jour plan that sounds good, but half that amount is probably more than what is needed when rehabs are often not the answer and many states already fund Suboxone treatment and therapy. Mandate that they all do. Alcohol is still America’s number one drug problem.

How bout sensible plans and doable, whatever ideology candidates want to call it. But again, ideology is all the rage.

[Tarc]

100. "however, most of those voters identified as Republicans"

Quality polling there, Quinnipiac.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

101. So simple.. just pick Biden and the rest will work itself out! Most important at this moment in

time- Get the monster out and win!

[UniteFightBack]

106. I'm afraid that folks don't vote with their head. nt

[TheFarseer]

102. Who gives a flying f what Republicans think?

Do the Yankees let the Red Sox advise them on who their starting pitcher should be?

[RandiFan1290]

105. "most of those voters identified as Republicans."

Garbage 'poll'

Nice try

[Mosby]

108. Polls like this are just attempts at manipulation

They should be ignored.

[Quixote1818]

109. And yet about 60% of voters are for things like medicare for all, free college etc. nt

[gulliver]

110. This left/right stuff is just "news crack"

It's the ultimate identity politics, a simplistic categorization scheme that supposedly lets people place themselves on some kind of political number line. It's completely nuts.

[Mosby]

113. Exactly. Nt

[iwannaknow]

111. That means a majority don't think Democrats have moved too far left.

Depends on how you look at it.

[Gothmog]

114. Nate-A lot of D voters are moderate, or "somewhat liberal" rather than "very liberal"

Link to tweet

[BlueWI]

116. Your posts on this forum frequently focus on the opinions of black voters.

In this case it sounds like 83% of black voters disagree with the OP headline. Maybe that sentiment should be elevated too?

[Gothmog]

117. On what is this assertion based?

[BlueWI]

119. It's based on the data reported in the OP.

"There was also a gap by gender, with 57 percent of male respondents saying the party was too far to the left and only 37 percent of women saying the same. Similarly, the view was split by race, with 53 percent of white voters polled agreeing, 33 percent of Hispanic voters and just 17 percent of black voter..."

I'll modify my assertion to say that 17% of black voters agreed that the party was too far to the left. But it certainly sounds like several groups of voters who are marginalized by systemic discrimination (women, black and Latinx voters) are not in agreement with the proposition that Democrats are now too far left. Voters who are white and male are significantly more likely to find disfavor from the party's embrace of "left" policies.

[Gothmog]

120. The polling in the real world do not back up this assertion

Biden is doing great with African American voters in the real world

[BlueWI]

123. I literally cut and pasted the survey results from your own OP.

Only 17% of black voters agreed that the Democratic party is too far left.

You can argue with the methodology of the survey, but you can't argue with the assertion that is a restatement of the survey results. Why be daft?

[Gothmog]

124. Your post is NOT supported by the polling

Your numbers make no sense. I read the article and it does not support your claims

[BlueWI]

130. Capital letters are not a counter argument.

Neither are content free assertions with no references to the data in your own OP.

[Gothmog]

121. Florida Democrats want a moderate.

Link to tweet

A group of current and former elected Democratic officials in Broward County said Tuesday they’d like to see their party nominate former Vice President Joe Biden for president in 2020.

Their second choice in a straw vote is Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.

They definitely don’t want either U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts or U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the progressive candidates who are performing near the top of public opinion polls, along with Biden.....

But they believe the Democratic Party’s overriding goal of defeating President Donald Trump can be best achieved by nominating a candidate — like Biden or maybe Buttigieg — who they believe can better to appeal to swing voters in a handful of states that will decide the election.

[book_worm]

122. Who thinks the GOP is full of corrupt fascists?

[Act_of_Reparation]

125. Do YOU think Democrats have moved too far to the left?

[Bartollo]

127. More massaged language polling propaganda...

from the purveyors of business as usual.

[Gothmog]

129. Vulnerable House Democrats Wary of Campaigning for Medicare for All in 2020 Race

Link to tweet

[iamthebandfanman]

131. Democrats Aren't Moving Left.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/04/elections-2018-democrats-history-liberal-progressive-socialist-222187

[Gothmog]

132. Michigan Democrats show less enthusiasm for progressive policies

Link to tweet

Democratic enthusiasm to vote against President Donald Trump in the 2020 election could be matched by Republicans motivated to oppose a more progressive nominee.

At least that’s the historic argument for why a moderate Democrat could have the advantage in swing states, said Matt Grossman, director of Michigan State University’s Institute for Public Policy and Social Research. While Democrats consider which of their candidates is best positioned to beat Trump, recent polling suggests Democrats in Michigan and other general election battlegrounds are motivated to vote but less enthusiastic about progressive policy ideas.,,,,

A majority of Democratic voters in Michigan put Medicare for All at the bottom of their health care priorities, the KFF survey found. Union members have also expressed issues with losing health benefits they fought for over decades of negotiations with employers.
Candidates in the moderate lane like Biden and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg favor expanding coverage under the Obama-era Affordable Care Act. Biden and Buttigieg support giving people the option of buying-in to Medicare but don’t want to expand it to everyone.

Biden’s campaign has come out swinging against Warren’s Medicare for All plan, saying it’s too costly and would hike taxes on the middle-class.

Trump and other Republicans call Medicare for All a “socialist" policy, portraying the plan as reckless and expensive. The “danger” of socialism is poised to get a lot of mileage in Republican campaign messaging during the next year, Grossman said.

[PhoenixDem]

133. Dangerous in the GE n/t

[andym]

134. Is there a breakdown on "too far" left economically versus socially?

For example, how many Americans in this poll think that Democrats are too far left socially with regard to gay and transgender rights? Do we really want to follow such Americans or lead them to a better understanding of what equality means. How many of those polled who said that Democrats had moved too far left are Repubicans?