Democratic Primaries
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Well....
I probably will get a lot of blowback from you all.
Realistically , imo, as much as I like them both, Warren and Sanders will not be elected president. Ever.
The continual media characterization of them as far left will work against them and will bring out the opposition in droves.
I live in a suburb of a big city, in a swing state, and my associates of ALL kinds,are afraid of the socialism of these two.
Want to win the critical suburbs? Pick a centrist.
Even with their faults. Biden, Klobuchar, even Buttigieg.
can persuade the persuadable.
Otherwise...4 more years of Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)and that includes warren and sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(93,851 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,059 posts)Something that is now fashionable to be frowned upon in some circles, but is welcome in most of the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)All it stands for.
So any sane choice should be an easy win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)and capturing both legislative bodies and the executive is more important than having a large margin. Those elected at the state level in 2019 and 2020 will be setting the voting boundaries for the next decade.
VoteBlueNoMatterWbo
But vote progressive in the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)The ability to beat Trump is first and foremost and you won't do that with an absolutist position on Medicare for All or talk of political revolution. We need to fully repudiate Trump and Trumpism for the health of the country. My choice is Biden for his experience and knowledge and sensible policy. However, I thought Klobuchar and Buttigieg had very strong performances last night and spoke with authenticity about the concerns in the midwest.
As Klobuchar said last night, the midwest isn't flyover country to her; it's were she lives. And if we're to apply any lessons from 2016, it's where the election will live or die. The electoral college is the battlefield. We forget that at our own peril.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
It will be a brutal lesson.
Most folks here REALLY DONT LIKE Warren and Sanders.
Do they like Trump less? Not sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,904 posts)the psycho killing our country and the planet.
That's why we must beat him.. and we will get behind the candidate who is our Nom.. hopefully it will be the one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)well
#GOPHealthcareonDAY1 + 2 years, 269 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes and 31 seconds
I think we can win on the Promise of health care for all.
Because it is needed
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)a public option, something that is far more doable and acceptable to the American public. Every single one of our candidates agree that universal coverage is the desired goal. The argument is how we get there in a realistic and affordable fashion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)Rip the bandaid off with one pull
Otherwise, it will just be another abomination program that is broken from the very outset.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)You're talking fairytales.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)Isn't that just what swept the GOP into power?
why is it you say it can't be done?
the nation just gave the GOP the Permission to pass a sweeping reform with a plan they never even saw by politicians who were obviously lying to them. The damn GOP didn't even try to pass a real comprehensive program
So why shouldn't the DNC push and demand the chance to try the same thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)See how long it took them to get their National Healthcare programs up and running. Canada? Smaller in population but depending how you count, the program we see now? Took nearly 50 years to realize. Taiwan? Much smaller country and relatively new to the National Healthcare network, took 5 years to design and work out the implementation kinks, and then over two years to battle it out legislatively.
I've said this before--it's not only false that reinventing our healthcare system will be quick and easy, it's cruel for those who desperately need healthcare--those with chronic and/or deadly medical conditions--and cannot afford a disruption in services.
Honesty is imperative to the fight because a whole lot of people will resist. Not simply special interest groups and lobbyists but ordinary Americans for whom change itself is scary, increased taxes are the devil incarnate and because healthcare is personal for each and every one of us. Americans do not like restrictions or being told what's good for them. Particularly from government people. At best this is going to be a slog, in time and persuasion. Which is why I believe the public option offer gives us a decent transition to a national program. Give people the choice. Allow them to decide between a medicare-like program or private insurance. As one other DU poster suggested let the programs compete, side by side. We do something like that? Universal coverage will win. In the meantime, we provide the greatest good to the greatest number, subsidizing those who cannot afford a buy-in and work on reducing costs, most importantly pharmaceuticals. Reducing costs in healthcare services and drugs is critical for universal coverage to succeed.
As for the GOP? They're not interested in healthcare, never have been. It certainly wasn't Trump's healthcare promises that won the electoral college. If we take a ride in the wayback machine, he had more than a little help from his 'friends,' enough help that he/they tipped approx 80,000 votes over three states to his advantage. There was also voter suppression and gobs of disinformation. That's certainly not an example to be followed by the Democratic Party, not if we really believe in the rule of law and/or a democratic Republic. We win massively enough, the cheating won't matter. And that's what we need to do: a full repudiation of Trump and Trumpsim. Because anything less is national suicide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)and I have to say I feel you are wrong when it comes to a new plan. As I have said America was ready for the GOP to Upturn our health Care System site Unseen, and that if the Democrats would just present a plan and stay unified that we can actually pass SHC and get it implemented in one term.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)I think we're looking at a decade before a complete rehaul is up and running.
As for America being ready to adopt the GOP's non-existent healthcare plan? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The GOP is not the entire US electorate, let alone America. Republicans believed a whole lot of things about Trump, the least of which was healthcare. He ran a con job; they swallowed it. And now we're all suffering for it.
Which is why--more than anything else--Trump needs to be soundly defeated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)but come on
you never heard of the GOP promise of healthcare on day 1 of the Trump administration???
COME OB
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)With absolutely nothing to back it up. But then, he claimed to know more about healthcare than anyone:
The best healthcare in the world for far less money, yada, yada. Until the admission of failure: Who knew healthcare was so-o-o complicated.
Con job from Day 1.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)If we win PA, WI, and MI we will win the electoral college.
Bill
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)that Pete's best place is in the cabinet. He may be best suited building a bigger portfolio of sorts. Something like Governor of Indiana. Pete could come back 10 years from now and still be a very young President.
Outside of being a VP, joining a cabinet usually hurts you more than helps you politically. You end up having to answer for things that you may or may not have had much to do with. Look at Biden right now, he's had to answer questions about Obamas deportation policy, among other things. Obama is easily the most popular democratic President in history, but some are still willing to run that down to smear Biden. Castro has not been able to move the needle at all. Clinton had the Benghazi stuff to deal with along with all of the emails.
He's a better politician than policy wonk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)unless we can turn Indiana around.
He will need a job to burnish his record for the future. He's a bright star.
Biden's experience as Obama's VP does him FAR more good than harm in my estimation.
Likewise HRC's role as Sec of State lifted her credentials, despite the catastrophe of the 2016 EC loss.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)Would have probably been the nominee had she stayed a Senator in NY....and she'd have forgone the biggest part of her baggage.
Indiana is red, but Obama won there just a decade ago. Besides, state races are unique and don't follow the larger trends as closely. We have seen republicans win democratic strongholds like California and Massachusetts. We have seen Democrats win in places like Louisiana and Kansas. Pete could pull that off......or, he could always move.
Where would he fit in? I don't think he has the experience to take State. Maybe Ambassador to the UN?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)It helped make her one of the most qualified people to ever run for the presidency.
She'd have been subject to rightwing attacks either way.
If Pete thinks he can win statewide office in Indiana, then more power to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,508 posts)She's all set to kick some serious ass
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)Strange questions in hearing that go nowhere.
An unforgivable and baseless attack on Joe Biden.
And a weird attack on Warren over Trump's twitter account? WTHWT?
Not seeing her in that job and I've voted for her every time she's run for statewide office in primaries and in the generals.
My confidence in her has diminished considerably.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Part XXII
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)to admit it and they won't go as far to say they 'like' Biden but they said he is 'ok'.
I think the one thing that may really excite russiapublicans to turn out is the threat of a Warren presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)And ask for the sky, because it is what we want and what we believe....and lose.
Or we can pick someone who will still do good things...nothing monumental...and we can win.
We basically are screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blistering Sun
(72 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)That would give us our foothold to reach the ultimate goal of universal healthcare. That's what everyone agrees on. The argument is how do we get there in a realistic, financially feasible way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Trump's mouth has aggravated almost the entire nation for 3 years (even many righties). I think they'll be quite ready to try something else since they were so fucking ready to trust the phony "businessman." Fair is fair. :p
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided