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apcalc

(4,461 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:49 PM Oct 2019

Who to pick??

Well....

I probably will get a lot of blowback from you all.

Realistically , imo, as much as I like them both, Warren and Sanders will not be elected president. Ever.
The continual media characterization of them as “ far left” will work against them and will bring out the opposition in droves.
I live in a suburb of a big city, in a swing state, and my “ associates” of ALL kinds,are afraid of the “socialism” of these two.

Want to win the critical suburbs? Pick a centrist.
Even with their faults. Biden, Klobuchar, even Buttigieg.
can “persuade the persuadable”.

Otherwise...4 more years of Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Who to pick?? (Original Post) apcalc Oct 2019 OP
I disagree, anyone of them should be able to beat trump SterlingPound Oct 2019 #1
On what basis should they all be able to? brooklynite Oct 2019 #2
It's called "moderate incrementalism" beastie boy Oct 2019 #3
On the basis of self preservation for the rest of america Trump and the GOP are killing America and SterlingPound Oct 2019 #4
We need to beat him by as wide of a margin as possible. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #17
winning at the state level is more important than winning with a large marging at the potus election SterlingPound Oct 2019 #24
NEWSFLASH We have an election cheating corrupt crook in the white trash house. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #25
and the only way to beat that is to turn everyone out that you can to go vote. SterlingPound Oct 2019 #26
It's wonderful to hear a sane voice of reason. Thank you! Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #5
You are welcome! apcalc Oct 2019 #6
You won't get any argument from me, apcalc peggysue2 Oct 2019 #7
Agree apcalc Oct 2019 #8
Oh hell yes.. we abhor Cha Oct 2019 #21
IMO isnt that how the GOP won on a never seen medicare reform on day 1 promise? SterlingPound Oct 2019 #9
And we can start doing that by offering . . . peggysue2 Oct 2019 #11
A real fashion is to get it all done in one term SterlingPound Oct 2019 #12
One term? peggysue2 Oct 2019 #13
gop health care on day 1 SterlingPound Oct 2019 #14
You can, in fact, look to other countries peggysue2 Oct 2019 #33
Alot of our Legistlation is written by thinktank/lobbiests and only proposed by our representitives. SterlingPound Oct 2019 #34
You and I will have to agree to disagree peggysue2 Oct 2019 #35
I agree we will have to agree to disagree SterlingPound Oct 2019 #37
Oh, I heard Trump bellowing and bragging peggysue2 Oct 2019 #38
Biden/Klobuchar 2020...and give Pete Buttigieg a key administration post. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #10
Not sure.... boomer_wv Oct 2019 #15
The problem is Indiana is currently a deep red state. So Pete's statewide options are limited... Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #16
Clinton boomer_wv Oct 2019 #22
I don't see Clinton's experience as Sec. of State the same way. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #23
It sure does sound like a winning ticket. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #20
Kamala Harris for Attorney General relayerbob Oct 2019 #28
I'm not too impressed with my junior Senator these days... Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #29
If only there was some way to model a centrist versus trump... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #18
We should run a strong liberal like Joe Biden. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #31
This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #39
I agree and I'm hearing the same in the past week from my circle of deplorables. They don't like UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #19
You are precisely right. We can nominate someone Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #27
I'd consider getting a public option added to the ACA monumental. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #30
So do I! peggysue2 Oct 2019 #32
It will bring out our people in droves too. As for the middle... NCLefty Oct 2019 #36
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
1. I disagree, anyone of them should be able to beat trump
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:51 PM
Oct 2019

and that includes warren and sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(93,851 posts)
2. On what basis should they all be able to?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:54 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
3. It's called "moderate incrementalism"
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

Something that is now fashionable to be frowned upon in some circles, but is welcome in most of the country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
4. On the basis of self preservation for the rest of america Trump and the GOP are killing America and
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:02 PM
Oct 2019

All it stands for.

So any sane choice should be an easy win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
17. We need to beat him by as wide of a margin as possible. nt
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:17 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
24. winning at the state level is more important than winning with a large marging at the potus election
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:12 PM
Oct 2019

and capturing both legislative bodies and the executive is more important than having a large margin. Those elected at the state level in 2019 and 2020 will be setting the voting boundaries for the next decade.

VoteBlueNoMatterWbo

But vote progressive in the primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
25. NEWSFLASH We have an election cheating corrupt crook in the white trash house. nt
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:22 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
26. and the only way to beat that is to turn everyone out that you can to go vote.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:24 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
5. It's wonderful to hear a sane voice of reason. Thank you!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:05 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
7. You won't get any argument from me, apcalc
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:24 PM
Oct 2019

The ability to beat Trump is first and foremost and you won't do that with an absolutist position on Medicare for All or talk of political revolution. We need to fully repudiate Trump and Trumpism for the health of the country. My choice is Biden for his experience and knowledge and sensible policy. However, I thought Klobuchar and Buttigieg had very strong performances last night and spoke with authenticity about the concerns in the midwest.

As Klobuchar said last night, the midwest isn't flyover country to her; it's were she lives. And if we're to apply any lessons from 2016, it's where the election will live or die. The electoral college is the battlefield. We forget that at our own peril.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apcalc

(4,461 posts)
8. Agree
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:33 PM
Oct 2019

It will be a brutal lesson.

Most folks here REALLY DON’T LIKE Warren and Sanders.

Do they like Trump less? Not sure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,904 posts)
21. Oh hell yes.. we abhor
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:29 PM
Oct 2019

the psycho killing our country and the planet.

That's why we must beat him.. and we will get behind the candidate who is our Nom.. hopefully it will be the one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
9. IMO isnt that how the GOP won on a never seen medicare reform on day 1 promise?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:16 PM
Oct 2019

well
#GOPHealthcareonDAY1 + 2 years, 269 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes and 31 seconds

I think we can win on the Promise of health care for all.

Because it is needed

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
11. And we can start doing that by offering . . .
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:34 PM
Oct 2019

a public option, something that is far more doable and acceptable to the American public. Every single one of our candidates agree that universal coverage is the desired goal. The argument is how we get there in a realistic and affordable fashion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
12. A real fashion is to get it all done in one term
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:38 PM
Oct 2019

Rip the bandaid off with one pull

Otherwise, it will just be another abomination program that is broken from the very outset.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
13. One term?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:40 PM
Oct 2019

You're talking fairytales.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
14. gop health care on day 1
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:46 PM
Oct 2019

Isn't that just what swept the GOP into power?
why is it you say it can't be done?
the nation just gave the GOP the Permission to pass a sweeping reform with a plan they never even saw by politicians who were obviously lying to them. The damn GOP didn't even try to pass a real comprehensive program
So why shouldn't the DNC push and demand the chance to try the same thing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
33. You can, in fact, look to other countries
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:50 AM
Oct 2019

See how long it took them to get their National Healthcare programs up and running. Canada? Smaller in population but depending how you count, the program we see now? Took nearly 50 years to realize. Taiwan? Much smaller country and relatively new to the National Healthcare network, took 5 years to design and work out the implementation kinks, and then over two years to battle it out legislatively.

I've said this before--it's not only false that reinventing our healthcare system will be quick and easy, it's cruel for those who desperately need healthcare--those with chronic and/or deadly medical conditions--and cannot afford a disruption in services.

Honesty is imperative to the fight because a whole lot of people will resist. Not simply special interest groups and lobbyists but ordinary Americans for whom change itself is scary, increased taxes are the devil incarnate and because healthcare is personal for each and every one of us. Americans do not like restrictions or being told what's good for them. Particularly from government people. At best this is going to be a slog, in time and persuasion. Which is why I believe the public option offer gives us a decent transition to a national program. Give people the choice. Allow them to decide between a medicare-like program or private insurance. As one other DU poster suggested let the programs compete, side by side. We do something like that? Universal coverage will win. In the meantime, we provide the greatest good to the greatest number, subsidizing those who cannot afford a buy-in and work on reducing costs, most importantly pharmaceuticals. Reducing costs in healthcare services and drugs is critical for universal coverage to succeed.

As for the GOP? They're not interested in healthcare, never have been. It certainly wasn't Trump's healthcare promises that won the electoral college. If we take a ride in the wayback machine, he had more than a little help from his 'friends,' enough help that he/they tipped approx 80,000 votes over three states to his advantage. There was also voter suppression and gobs of disinformation. That's certainly not an example to be followed by the Democratic Party, not if we really believe in the rule of law and/or a democratic Republic. We win massively enough, the cheating won't matter. And that's what we need to do: a full repudiation of Trump and Trumpsim. Because anything less is national suicide.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
34. Alot of our Legistlation is written by thinktank/lobbiests and only proposed by our representitives.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:29 AM
Oct 2019
https://pnhp.org/

and I have to say I feel you are wrong when it comes to a new plan. As I have said America was ready for the GOP to Upturn our health Care System site Unseen, and that if the Democrats would just present a plan and stay unified that we can actually pass SHC and get it implemented in one term.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
35. You and I will have to agree to disagree
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:45 AM
Oct 2019

I think we're looking at a decade before a complete rehaul is up and running.

As for America being ready to adopt the GOP's non-existent healthcare plan? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The GOP is not the entire US electorate, let alone America. Republicans believed a whole lot of things about Trump, the least of which was healthcare. He ran a con job; they swallowed it. And now we're all suffering for it.

Which is why--more than anything else--Trump needs to be soundly defeated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
37. I agree we will have to agree to disagree
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 01:39 PM
Oct 2019

but come on
you never heard of the GOP promise of healthcare on day 1 of the Trump administration???

COME OB

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
38. Oh, I heard Trump bellowing and bragging
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 01:51 PM
Oct 2019

With absolutely nothing to back it up. But then, he claimed to know more about healthcare than anyone:

The best healthcare in the world for far less money, yada, yada. Until the admission of failure: Who knew healthcare was so-o-o complicated.

Con job from Day 1.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
10. Biden/Klobuchar 2020...and give Pete Buttigieg a key administration post.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

If we win PA, WI, and MI we will win the electoral college.

Bill

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
15. Not sure....
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:00 PM
Oct 2019

that Pete's best place is in the cabinet. He may be best suited building a bigger portfolio of sorts. Something like Governor of Indiana. Pete could come back 10 years from now and still be a very young President.

Outside of being a VP, joining a cabinet usually hurts you more than helps you politically. You end up having to answer for things that you may or may not have had much to do with. Look at Biden right now, he's had to answer questions about Obamas deportation policy, among other things. Obama is easily the most popular democratic President in history, but some are still willing to run that down to smear Biden. Castro has not been able to move the needle at all. Clinton had the Benghazi stuff to deal with along with all of the emails.

He's a better politician than policy wonk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
16. The problem is Indiana is currently a deep red state. So Pete's statewide options are limited...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:14 PM
Oct 2019

unless we can turn Indiana around.

He will need a job to burnish his record for the future. He's a bright star.

Biden's experience as Obama's VP does him FAR more good than harm in my estimation.

Likewise HRC's role as Sec of State lifted her credentials, despite the catastrophe of the 2016 EC loss.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
22. Clinton
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:30 PM
Oct 2019

Would have probably been the nominee had she stayed a Senator in NY....and she'd have forgone the biggest part of her baggage.

Indiana is red, but Obama won there just a decade ago. Besides, state races are unique and don't follow the larger trends as closely. We have seen republicans win democratic strongholds like California and Massachusetts. We have seen Democrats win in places like Louisiana and Kansas. Pete could pull that off......or, he could always move.

Where would he fit in? I don't think he has the experience to take State. Maybe Ambassador to the UN?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
23. I don't see Clinton's experience as Sec. of State the same way.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 PM
Oct 2019

It helped make her one of the most qualified people to ever run for the presidency.

She'd have been subject to rightwing attacks either way.

If Pete thinks he can win statewide office in Indiana, then more power to him.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
20. It sure does sound like a winning ticket. nt
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:25 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

relayerbob

(6,508 posts)
28. Kamala Harris for Attorney General
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:23 AM
Oct 2019

She's all set to kick some serious ass

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
29. I'm not too impressed with my junior Senator these days...
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:46 AM
Oct 2019

Strange questions in hearing that go nowhere.

An unforgivable and baseless attack on Joe Biden.

And a weird attack on Warren over Trump's twitter account? WTHWT?

Not seeing her in that job and I've voted for her every time she's run for statewide office in primaries and in the generals.

My confidence in her has diminished considerably.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
18. If only there was some way to model a centrist versus trump...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:20 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
31. We should run a strong liberal like Joe Biden.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:49 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. This is troubling for Bernie.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 01:52 PM
Oct 2019

Part XXII

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
19. I agree and I'm hearing the same in the past week from my circle of deplorables. They don't like
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:24 PM
Oct 2019

to admit it and they won't go as far to say they 'like' Biden but they said he is 'ok'.

I think the one thing that may really excite russiapublicans to turn out is the threat of a Warren presidency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. You are precisely right. We can nominate someone
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:31 PM
Oct 2019

And ask for the sky, because it is what we want and what we believe....and lose.

Or we can pick someone who will still do good things...nothing monumental...and we can win.

We basically are screwed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blistering Sun

(72 posts)
30. I'd consider getting a public option added to the ACA monumental.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:48 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
32. So do I!
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:13 AM
Oct 2019

That would give us our foothold to reach the ultimate goal of universal healthcare. That's what everyone agrees on. The argument is how do we get there in a realistic, financially feasible way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
36. It will bring out our people in droves too. As for the middle...
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:10 AM
Oct 2019

Trump's mouth has aggravated almost the entire nation for 3 years (even many righties). I think they'll be quite ready to try something else since they were so fucking ready to trust the phony "businessman." Fair is fair. :p

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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