*****Democratic Debate Thread#4*****

[MustLoveBeagles]

after this commercial break

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/democratic-debate-october-2019/index.html

[pangaia]

1. is it still going on? I couldn;t find it on utub

[MustLoveBeagles]

2. I added a link to my OP

[nolabear]

5. Yep. Almost another hour. Hulu has it if you have them.

[napi21]

3. Goes till 11PM EST nt

[mainstreetonce]

4. Tom Steyer has a puppet face

Anyone else old enough to remember Howdy Doody?

[ecstatic]

6. I think he blew it tonight, although it's not all his fault.

He was barely called on.

[napi21]

14. Yes I rem. Howdy Doody. I remember Phineas T Bluster too. Reminds me of Trump when mad. nt

[tishaLA]

7. I liked that Booker pointed out that all the discussion about

Sanders' or Biden's or Warren's health looks absurd when we have that bloated thing in the WH and nobody ever bothers to ask him about it

[MustLoveBeagles]

9. Yep

[boomer_wv]

15. They ask about it...

He just gets that scientist from Area 51 in the original Independence Day movie to come tell everyone he's in the best shape of anyone in history.

[MustLoveBeagles]

25. LOL

[backtoblue]

8. Thanks for the updates all!

[Politicub]

10. Imagine Trump's EPIC meltdown if Twitter banned his account.

Really, it should be banned for breaking the rules.

Wish Warren supported that. I don't think she's a big twitter user though.

[ecstatic]

22. I want to know what that psycho is thinking. Let him

hang himself with his own words!

[Pisces]

11. Kamala doing it again against Warren and it to will backfire.

[jcgoldie]

18. well..

If the big story turns out to be Warren's position on Trump's twitter, then I think we have even bigger problems than we thought.

[ecstatic]

12. Amy: "I had a life before government..." Was that a dig

at someone? Bernie?

[FailureToCommunicate]

13. "This President is releasing ISIS terrorists from jail, while keeping children in cages at

the border!" -Booker


Thanks, MustLoveBeagles, for these threads tonight.

[JudyM]

16. That was a great contrast drawn by Booker.

[MustLoveBeagles]

21. Your welcome

[Politicub]

17. Reproductive choice is one of the most important topics

And I love hearing Harris address what she would do about the states that are passing draconian laws.

Klobuchar's response is great, too.

[ecstatic]

19. So sick of Gabby.

Who gets a 3rd trimester abortion when it's not an emergency?

[tishaLA]

26. She acts like people just go in at 8 months

and say, "sorry, I've been so busy that I didn't have time to schedule this....or a pedicure appointment! Can you imagine!"

[FailureToCommunicate]

20. Senator Harris has gotten both of the two loudest applause when defending reproductive

rights. 'These men (politicians) should keep their hands off womens' bodies!'

[tishaLA]

23. Gabbard brings the RW talking points

re: late term abortions.

[emmaverybo]

35. Late term abortions are a horror. They should be rare as is possible to make them, though not

illegal.

[CTyankee]

94. Be careful here. This is a favorite Republican talking point, please understand that.

My daughter had a toxic pregnancy which occurred later in her pregnancy. Continuing it would have risked her LIFE. Luckily, an emergency C section was done and she and my grandson survived and are well.

The fact is that this is a made up thing, designed by the RTL folk to get people to hate legal abortion. These repulsive republicans would let women suffer and die in the name of their twisted theology.

[emmaverybo]

95. I do not care! There are many Dems who feel the same way. Certainly as medical necessity no

amount of early intervention,education, outreach, testing and counseling will obviate the need for
late term abortion.

And other factors play a role—denial or fear in the case of very young people, hiding pregnancy due to family reaction, being a domestic violence or rape victim—but no Democrat should be shamed into shying away from getting real about what late term involves.

And yes, a mother’s life can be at stake. It is wonderful when both lives can be saved, but this is not always the case. Ireland got some religion so to speak when a hospital waited too late to save
a pregnant woman’s life when the foetus would not have survived any way. And people ought to get to choose if they have to.

[CTyankee]

97. We are on the same page here. But we need to rebut these insane Rs who obstinately refuse to

see what is real and USE this late term abortion meme as a stick to beat us with. We have to fight back with facts but, of course, the hard core Rs will make stuff up just to make women "suffer for their sin" of having sex.

I have 3 granddaughters who grew up when I was working at Planned Parenthood and faced the picketers every morning when I came to work. My mother, still alive at the time, was worried about me and asked me to leave my job and get a job somewhere else, less dangerous (as she saw it).

[emmaverybo]

98. Brave of you and a great example to the grandkids, but your mom was right. Dangerous.Miss my mom's

worrying bout me though sometimes at the time didn’t appreciate it. No one worries about us like a mom and there’s a reason for that.

[CTyankee]

99. This group of regular picketer's was peaceful, tho irritating.

I remember one old guy who had a ramshackle bus of some sort that he had covered in huge posters of what he said were photos of dead aborted fetuses. He had a bullhorn and used to yell out "Don't kill your baby!" to the women coming into the facility. I went out with a camera and told "Stanley, I'm gonna take a picture of your ugly face and put it in my emails to donors!" which is what I did (I was Development Director there). I'd taunt him with how much money his face would raise money for us. I got into a bit of trouble by the Ex. Dir. who thought we should just ignore the picketers.

[ecstatic]

24. Great points by Pete re: increasing Supreme Court seats. nt

[smirkymonkey]

30. Yes, liking Mayor Pete's answer on that.

I think he has proposed the most sensible solution yet. I regret that his poll numbers aren't higher because he is actually one of my favorites. I still have not committed yet. I am going to go with the candidate who has the best chance of beating Trump, whoever that might be, but I think Buttigieg might be my personal favorite.

[Pisces]

47. I feel exactly the same way. A great ticket would be Buttigieg/ Abrams

[napi21]

76. GREAT TICKET but could never win. I HATE to have to admit this, but there are just too many

prejudiced voters to have 2 minorities on the same ticket. A black woman & a gay man. I would have no problem voting for them, but many voters simply wouldn't vote for a woman and many more would never vote for a gay person period.

[True Dough]

27. Now the knives are coming out!

Bernie coming after Biden on Iraq.

[Politicub]

28. Biden is a statesman. He was being baited into attacking Warren and Sanders

and he took the high road.

[Cha]

38. Good to know! Mahalo, Politicub!

[IcyPeas]

29. Insurance companies are the worst

why are they even involved in health care?

[a kennedy]

31. Sorry, Joe who I love dearly....is not doing it for me tonight.....

Corey had a great response a long time ago about why trash the opponents when we’re trying to get the orange piece of shit out.

[Celerity]

32. Castro, lololol, his terms limits for the SCOTUS would require a Constitutional Amendment

yet he says that is much easier than adding more justices (which would NOT require a Con Amend)

SMDH

[IcyPeas]

34. I never knew that we could add more. I learned something tonight.

[tishaLA]

36. FDR tried to pack the court. Didn't go well

[Celerity]

40. only because of Congress (which I admit is an issue, but not so much if we control it)

[elleng]

43. Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937

'The Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937[1] (frequently called the "court-packing plan&quot [2] was a legislative initiative proposed by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt to add more justices to the U.S. Supreme Court in order to obtain favorable rulings regarding New Deal legislation that the Court had ruled unconstitutional.[3] The central provision of the bill would have granted the President power to appoint an additional Justice to the U.S. Supreme Court, up to a maximum of six, for every member of the court over the age of 70 years and 6 months.

In the Judiciary Act of 1869 Congress had established that the United States Supreme Court would consist of the Chief Justice and eight associate justices. During Roosevelt's first term the Supreme Court struck down several New Deal measures as being unconstitutional. Roosevelt sought to reverse this by changing the makeup of the court through the appointment of new additional justices who he hoped would rule his legislative initiatives did not exceed the constitutional authority of the government. Since the U.S. Constitution does not define the size of the Supreme Court, Roosevelt pointed out that it was within the power of the Congress to change it. The legislation was viewed by members of both parties as an attempt to stack the court, and was opposed by many Democrats, including Vice President John Nance Garner.[4][5] The bill came to be known as Roosevelt's "court-packing plan".[2]'>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937

[IcyPeas]

51. good to know this. thanks

[MustLoveBeagles]

44. Pst

Just don't tell he who must not be named.

[tishaLA]

33. "I got you that job. I got you votes"

Wow. Not a good moment

[Kahuna7]

41. I thought it was a great moment. nt

[tishaLA]

52. I just felt like it kind of diminished the stuff she did

to create CFPB and it felt like he was taking credit in a way that diminished her, although I'm sure others will disagree.

[emmaverybo]

60. No. He said she did a great job. Just no.

[tishaLA]

67. .....at the job he thinks he got her.

So sad to see a woman's hard work diminished and disrespected in that way

[emmaverybo]

63. Good to see some fire from Biden. And her response was just petty.

[Kahuna7]

71. She can dish it, she can take it. nt

[Celerity]

46. I missed that, who said that and to whom?

TIA

[tishaLA]

49. VP Biden to Sen Warren

[Celerity]

58. ouch, thanks

[applegrove]

37. I missed this Julian Castro moment:

Link to tweet

That is the kind of lines we need in the election because it paints a picture of exactly what is going on. Ten percent of the population, dyslexics, can then remember the meme easily with all its' meaning..

[bdamomma]

53. That was a

truthful comment by Castro, also Harris was great about Republicans keeping their hands of women. And Amy who said tRump is making Russia great again.

Mayor Pete was good cool and articulate. Again, we have the best candidates.

But Gabi can go.

[applegrove]

68. I agree on all points.

[question everything]

39. Not the same. Suggesting the consumer protecting agency

did not take away anything from people. M4A will take away private insurance from many who like them.

[jcgoldie]

42. I guess the climate isnt changing anymore?

Geez.

[femmedem]

48. Agreed! A glaring absence.

Maybe the moderators figured since CNN already had a climate forum, they didn't need to ask any climate questions?

[Lulu KC]

50. +1

I tuned in late and hoped that they'd already covered it.

[jcgoldie]

54. Fuck Gabbard

A shout out to her pal Trey Gowdy and a shot at HRC.. fuck her.

[MustLoveBeagles]

62. Yeah I noticed that

I think she's the only candidate I don't like.

[StevieM]

65. I was watching the game. What did Gabbard say?

I thought it was snide of her earlier when she said that she didn't agree with HRC on a lot. She was repeating the myth that Hillary was somehow not standing for the things that other Democrats do.

It is ridiculous that she was treated like she was Joe Lieberman.

[jcgoldie]

74. She doesn't "see deplorables"

And some sappy shit about how great Gowdy is.

[IcyPeas]

55. Tulsi - good luck with those deplorables

[ecstatic]

56. lol. Gabbard: "I don't see deplorables..."

Well I do! They proudly embrace that description!

[IcyPeas]

57. did she see that video yesterday of trump shooting journalists?

deplorables!!

[MustLoveBeagles]

70. Oh why can't the democrats be nicer to them?

They're so misunderstood after all.

[flibbitygiblets]

59. Kind of lame final question IMO "What friendship do you have that would surprise people?"

Hoping someone says "Unlike our current president, I can honestly say 'NOT Vladimir Putin"

[elleng]

64. resulting in interesting responses

[IcyPeas]

66. kind of like when you are asked a weird question on a job interview

[oasis]

61. Tulsi❤️Trey Gowdy.

She also took an opportunity to take a dig at Hillary.

[emmaverybo]

73. She needed to keep that one under her hat.

[MustLoveBeagles]

78. Gross

I'm actually not at all surprised she's friends with him.

[Jarqui]

90. There's something up with her

Doesn't feel right.
It's kind of like 'she's not really with us'

[IcyPeas]

69. Cory has mentioned he is a vegan twice tonight

[OldRed2450]

75. I caught that! Lol. I was like... why? Lol

[OldRed2450]

72. I don't think the people in Ohio care that Booker is a Vegan. Lol

[emmaverybo]

77. If I didn't know better, I'd almost fall for his Kumbayah moment at the end. But I do know...

[flibbitygiblets]

80. Yeah, most Americans unfortunately would NOT see that as a virtue

probably best kept to himself

[a kennedy]

84. I actually liked how he threw that in as to the final question.....

he actually was the most hopeful one to me......

[elleng]

87. Ditto.

Love him.

[StevieM]

79. It is disgusting that people continue to use the deplorables comment to rewrite history.

I am proud that in an election where the GOP sought to divide us, Hillary ran on the slogan "stronger together." And she talked about wanting to president for everyone.

The deplorables comment was a recognition that Trump was running a uniquely deplorable campaign and some people reacted favorably to it. That is how he won the GOP nomination. Many people loved it when he would do things like calling Mexican immigrants drug dealers and rapists.

[MustLoveBeagles]

81. The mischaracterisation of that comment just won't die

[Claritie Pixie]

82. Anyone who uses that word as it was done tonight, needs to be shown the door.

[tulipsandroses]

83. Tulsi can go kick rocks with that comment about not seeing Deplorables

She should try walking a mile in the shoes of black folks, hispanics, muslims, siekhs, jews, gays and any other minority group that has been terrorized by these deplorables. Hate crimes are up since Trump has been elected. But she doesn't see deplorables. WTFever!

[flibbitygiblets]

85. Buttigieg is my strong 2nd choice. Strong, smart and sincere.

[Politicub]

86. Not gonna lie. As they are giving their final thoughts, I miss Williamson.

She would bring an interesting perspective at the end of the other debates that made me think.

[IcyPeas]

88. I'm still undecided.

I have a top 4 or 5.

[bdamomma]

89. Yea Biden last comment

Hit it out of ballpark!!!

[flibbitygiblets]

91. Completely agree. His whole answer was very good, invoking images of McCain on his deathbed,

asking Joe to give his eulogy. Reminding people of what an honorable Republican looked like, and that they were such good friends. Smart and powerful answer.

[FailureToCommunicate]

92. Biden's big finish: Raise up your faces America. Get UP!

[MustLoveBeagles]

93. That was a great moment

[ddr007]

96. Yeah, we can do anything.

Right after he just spent 3 hours telling us we can't afford M4A.