*****Democratic Debate Thread#3*****

[MustLoveBeagles]

I decided to start another thread as the first one is already over 100 responses




I see there was another debate thread started at the same time. Should I delete this or leave it open?

Go to bdamomma's thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287309862

Come back when that one gets too full.

[nolabear]

1. Oh good! There are two of you though.

[Politicub]

4. Wow - the GM stat is eye opening.

And it goes to show just how greedy the company is by offshoring and exporting jobs to Mexico.

[a kennedy]

5. Most ALL of our candidates would be great.

[ecstatic]

6. lol. Maybe change to # 3? nt

[MustLoveBeagles]

7. Good idea

[JonLP24]

8. Good job Tom Steyer

[emmaverybo]

9. Amy is killing it.

[UniteFightBack]

10. She really is. The lefty likes the moderates...ALL THE WAY. nt

[boomer_wv]

16. Amy

Is making the strongest case for a VP spot that anyone has. I'm sure she's trying to still win this, but that has to be on her mind a bit.

[boomer_wv]

19. Speaking of.

If Amy were the VP nom.....would Pence's wife have to sit with him on stage during the VP debates? I'm not sure how that's going to play on TV.

[spooky3]

51. LOL! yes. nt

[question everything]

11. She does

[a kennedy]

12. Yup...she's doing a great job....

[AkFemDem]

13. I'm sort of shocked at how she's owning the stage tonight...

I wish she’d done this the last few debates!

[Dagstead Bumwood]

14. Yeah, where has this Amy been?

If she'd performed like this before in earlier debates, she'd be polling higher.

Injecting a lot of good emotion tonght.

[Kahuna7]

15. Yes she is. nt

[peggysue2]

106. Amy K is having her moment

She's been strong and on point throughout the evening.

[apcalc]

108. Adore Amy...she can persuade the persuadeable.

Don’t think many others can...

[question everything]

17. Kinda strange that Warren says rich people are different

From you and me - when she is the second richest person on the stage

[jcgoldie]

23. Except that she did not say that

[question everything]

26. I thought she did. Will have to wait for the transcript

And she still goes after corporations. Many middle class families made decent living thanks to their jobs in corporations.

[jcgoldie]

29. She should go after corporations

Just in this debate reference was made to GM paying zero taxes is a single example.

[question everything]

165. She did. Found the transcript

WARREN: So understand, taxing income is not going to get you where you need to be the way taxing wealth does, that the rich are not like you and me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/15/october-democratic-debate-transcript/

[Thekaspervote]

24. Yes, it is strange!

[emmaverybo]

27. Well, literary quote, so...

[peggysue2]

39. Straight out of the Great Gatsby

And yes, I heard her say it, too.

[spooky3]

56. Having a net worth of $12 million is far from being a billionaire or even

from having $50 million, which is the minimum for her wealth tax to apply.

In my opinion, she is definitely wealthy, but not in the uber-wealthy leagues.

Personally, I admire wealthy people who are Democrats and clearly are not in politics for their own self-interests.

FWIW, I have a friend who works in fund-raising, who has made a somewhat similar statement. He said the very wealthy have very different lives from ours, in particular they have investment opportunities and vehicles that are not available to "little guys." These vehicles offer chances to make much more money at lower risk than everyday investments. I think this is closer to what Warren meant.

[Maru Kitteh]

18. I wish the country was ready for Andrew Yang. I haven't heard one single thing

he's wrong about.

[flamingdem]

21. I AGREE! ANDREW YANG IS UNDERRATED

I know I'm yelling but he's right about Value Added Tax!

[peggysue2]

42. Yes, he is right about the VAT

He pushed back on the Wealth Tax with real on-the-ground lessons learned in Europe. Basically? It doesn't work.

Hello?

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. Elizabeth and Beto are going at it

[jcgoldie]

25. Sad to see beto get on the "say the T word" game

Hes still my 2nd favorite candidate on that stage.

[MustLoveBeagles]

82. They're both great candidates

Actually most of them are.

[JonLP24]

22. Kudos to Castro for being the first to mention the homeless

[femmedem]

28. I think Bernie mentioned the homeless earlier

When he was asked if he thought billionaires should exist.

[kennetha]

30. Unimpressed by Warren tonight

denying the importance of automation?

no direct answer on tax increases to pay for M4A.

Wealth tax ... been there, done that in many European countries. Clearly it is just a pander, not a realistic policy.

Coming across like a sanctimonious know-it-all, if you are not for my plans you must not be serious type. (too much Bernie channeling there).

[emmaverybo]

33. +1

[peggysue2]

52. Amy K nailed Warren for that 'my way or the highway' tone

What this says to me is Elizabeth Warren is not accustomed to being challenged. Her reaction and tone is not a good look. Sanctimonious is a good way to describe it.

The fire to the feet moments tonight? They'll only increase over the next few months. Wait for it!

[Kahuna7]

61. Yes she did...and with a side of side eye.

[MFGsunny]

55. +2 n/t

[Celerity]

57. Klobuchar and Pete have done a number on her IMHO

[Docreed2003]

31. Excellent response from Mayor Pete to Gabbard

[demtenjeep]

35. absolutely

and Mayor Pete continues to impress

[apcalc]

117. Yes he does...

[Pisces]

147. I really like this guy. I could fantasize about a Buttigieg/ Abrams ticket.

[spooky3]

95. agree nt

[nolabear]

32. Anybody know what the respective times are?

Everyone going after Warren gives her lots of minutes I’m sure.

I hate not hearing Joe more but it’s a pretty good debate imo.

[tishaLA]

37. someone posted that the NYT

had Sen Warren at 11 minutes, VP Biden and the junior senator from VT at half that, and most of the rest at around 3 minutes after the first hour.

That's a terrible, terrible balance and it's irresponsible of the moderators.

[question everything]

40. it is. Steyer hardly gets to talk and Beto and Yang and Castro have not

Talked much

[blm]

47. The constant attacks on her are causing the time disparity.

Rebuttal time.

No one will attack Biden because Trump has been doing it the last couple weeks. So....target Warren. That’s how it goes.

[spooky3]

96. agree nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. Preach it pete

[Celerity]

36. +10000

Rump is pushing Turkey out of NATO and into the arms of Russia right in front of the world's eyes

[Docreed2003]

46. +1

[janterry]

38. caging children on the border but letting isis prisoners go free

great line!

[flamingdem]

41. Joe Biden 100% on Turkey and Nato

He knows his stuff. Warren seems to be an isolationist.

[emmaverybo]

43. Totally naive on foreign policy.

[nolabear]

44. Foreign policy is a great strength of his. And much needed.

[hlthe2b]

45. He was excellent and deserved to take that extra time. I'm glad. He shone.

[peggysue2]

80. Biden was sharp and exact on that question out of the box

Tulsi turned a question to EW about backing off regime change and Warren looked a bit stunned, paused and then said we shouldn't be in the ME at all. Foreign policy is not in her wheelhouse.

[bdamomma]

123. Yes

VP Biden is the whole package, he knows about Foreign policy, we wouldn't be in this horrible situation if we had a real politician in office.

Which network/moderators were better in this forum?

[Celerity]

48. big mistake by Biden, he said that regime change in Syria was NEVER the goal, when it was

the goal of the Obama administration.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303812104576439713197868294

July 12, 2011

The Obama administration for the first time Monday said it supported regime change in Syria, capping a day in which mobs attacked the U.S. Embassy in Damascus and tensions between the two nations escalated.

[UniteFightBack]

60. But were troops on the ground there for that goal of regime change? It's one thing to support a

regime change, as in it would be a good thing if that asshole was out of there and another to actually orchestrate or help orchestrate it's end.

[Celerity]

77. it is why we got involved in the entire shitstorm over there

[ecstatic]

49. Which elections did the US tamper with? nt

[edhopper]

54. Historically?

quite a few.

[still_one]

71. Vietnam, Iran, Chili, etc., etc., etc,

[bdamomma]

143. Didn't we break

up the Soviet Union too, maybe Putin is taking his revenge on us to break up our country apart he has his puppet/thug.

But to get back to your question, we have meddled in foreign elections too.

[still_one]

150. Not my question, i was just providinng some blatant examples

[emmaverybo]

50. Yang needs work on delivery. Also way too conciliatory on Russia.

[flamingdem]

66. He was blase about Russia

I agree

[lostnfound]

167. Saw a post earlier mentioning Tulsi, Yang and Bernie in the same breath

Was an interesting grouping.

Wish I knew who Bernie would pick as VP. I actively supported him in 2016 and still open minded, but uneasy about a couple of his close associates having loose ties to Russia.

[question everything]

53. Harris had a strong comment about recent events in

Syria. Four that have gained. Not sure of the precise quote: Turkey, Russia, ISIS and now I have Rick Perry’s oops moment. Perhaps someone can. Was very persuasive

[Turin_C3PO]

59. I think the fourth is the Assad regime.

[question everything]

166. Yes, also Iran

From the transcript

And let's be clear. What Donald Trump has done, because of that phone call with Erdogan, is basically giving 10,000 ISIS fighters a "get out of jail free" card. And you know who the winner is in this? There are four: Russia, Iran, Assad, and ISIS.

[ecstatic]

58. Dumb question re: going door to door for AK 47s nt

[ecstatic]

62. Wow, Pete! "I don't need lessons from you on courage..." nt

[Pisces]

152. I thought it was a great response. Beto hasn't served, and Pete has.

[emmaverybo]

63. Whoa. Getting personal here with Beto and Mayor Pete.

[Mersky]

64. Yikes.

[JCMach1]

118. Bernie ahead so far... Strong jobs by Klobuchar,

And Steyer (but that damn tie)

Warren, and Biden average to down nights...

[ecstatic]

65. Pete slow down! This topic is really personal

to Beto. Calm down.

[tishaLA]

67. The SB mayor's response to Mr O'Rourke was

unnecessarily aggressive and dismissive IMO. I don't necessarily agree with Beto's position, but he's not questioning anyone's courage when he advocates for it.

[spooky3]

68. I also thought he pushed too hard, but not sure how others saw it. nt

[Politicub]

69. Buttigieg went too far with his attack.

Came across as a cheap shot.

I'm a supporter of Mayor Pete's but I didn't like his attacks on Beto.

[MFGsunny]

99. Unnecessary roughness. I call the foul. For somebody who framed himself as the kind

and reasonable let's-just-talk-about-it guy ..... this is a horrid look.

WTF - what's the deal here? Just seriously off-putting, especially b/c that's not the persona he has presented of himself. When people fail like that, I for one, begin to distrust them. Sorry.

[blm]

101. Attacks tonight have been overthetop in general.

Everyone is steering clear of Biden, though, because they won’t pile on with Trump.

[emmaverybo]

70. +1000

[MustLoveBeagles]

113. I missed that part

I hate the squabbling with those two. I really like them both.

[Kahuna7]

72. Amy is KILLING IT! Mayor Pete is also doing well. nt

[ecstatic]

73. I think Pete went too far in his exchange with Beto. nt

[Kahuna7]

74. I think he did what he needed to do. Poor Beto is likely done after tonight. nt

[demtenjeep]

85. Tulsi too?

Who is backing her?

[hedda_foil]

144. Who's backing her? Putin apparently.

[Pisces]

160. I agree. He did well.

[emmaverybo]

83. Excessive. Acted as if Beto had questioned his physical courage in order to remind us he has been

battle tested. Just no. He has been and we know it.

[dalton99a]

97. +1. Nice fake outrage

[Politicub]

75. She is always impressive!

I always get the sense that she will get stuff done when she speaks about her policy ideas.

[elleng]

76. YES

[emmaverybo]

78. Castro makes good points on problem with assault weapons confiscation.

[tishaLA]

90. Yup. I don't see why others don't see this obvious problem

with the plan.

[Politicub]

79. It is unconscionable that the GOP allowed the assault weapons ban to lapse

The blood from these mass shootings are on their hands.

[ecstatic]

81. Thank you, Castro, for saying Atatiana Jefferson's name.

Police brutality/ murder is one of my top 3 issues.

[aikoaiko]

84. Pete, thank you for knocking Beto off the high and misguided horse.

Its not the polls its the policy that the problem.

[Celerity]

92. +10000, its puts doable things at risk on an all or nothing gambit, same as MFA purists

[liskddksil]

125. Beto won that won, but nice try! nt

[tishaLA]

86. Is "pursued by grace" an AA thing?

Or is it just a Christian concept?

[elleng]

91. a book

https://books.google.com/books/about/Pursued_by_Grace.html?id=MwUMAAAACAAJ

[AkFemDem]

87. This has definitely been Klobuchar's night.

[oasis]

148. Big night for Amy K.

[Docreed2003]

88. There's waaaaaaay too many people on the debate stage

[jcgoldie]

89. Pretty sure thats a point we can almost all agree on

...

[Docreed2003]

94. Lol...we need more of that!!

[bdamomma]

157. There's a few

that could go, but we are in the early stages. Want to laugh who would republicans have up there??? ha they don't have anyone.

[Docreed2003]

158. Lol so true

[Politicub]

93. Decriminalizing opiods is way out there. I didn't know any of the nominees supported it.

I mean, it makes some sense if the distribution is highly controlled so addicts are helped and not tormented.

The policy today is very cruel to the people who need them.

[emmaverybo]

102. Thank you. I hope we don't see pain management devolve to Tylenol post-surgery and for all cases of

chronic pain. People are having a tough time now because of addicted recreational users. Many need serious pain management to function.

[demtenjeep]

145. you have that right

I have severe Crohn's and I take 7.5 lortabs every 4 hours and 10mg controlled release oxycontin 2 times a day to help through breakthrough pain.

That is just to function.

I have to see my doctor every month and pay the copay every month to be able to live and function as close to normal as I can get

[Politicub]

154. I'm so sorry.

The madness around opioids needs to end so people who need them get access. Period.

[demtenjeep]

164. thank you

things do need to change

[Beartracks]

98. I had my window hidden and didn't see: who shouted,"Yes! Preach, Beto!"

Was it one of the other candidates??

It was during Beto's response about responsibility and the opioid crisis.

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[emmaverybo]

100. Good job finessing that one Sanders and really, best way to handle the health question.

[Politicub]

105. Bernie is charming tonight. He is smiling and is sharp as a tack with his answers.

Not that a heart attack is ever a good thing, but often people leave a health scare with a new perspective on things.

[emmaverybo]

109. Yes. He really is in terrific form. Got to hand it to him!

Bernie:

[bdamomma]

162. Any health scare

gives you a new perspective.

[IcyPeas]

103. tom steyer's plaid tie

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Docreed2003]

107. Lmao

I literally told my wife that tie made it look like they were dressing up a wax model!

[IcyPeas]

116. yes he only has one tie (sort of)

Link to tweet

[emmaverybo]

115. His lucky tie?

[boomer_wv]

104. I'm running because of my age...

I thought that was a great answer. Reminiscent of "I won't use my opponents youth and inexperience against him."

[peggysue2]

140. Made me smile

It was a good, full answer: he knows what needs to be done on Day 1 and won't need on-the-job training.

[wysimdnwyg]

110. Gabbard's response to the age question...

The first part of her response seemed an awful lot like an endorsement for Biden.

[Politicub]

111. OMG - not again. "I'm going to ask our other candidates this question..."

Just give it a rest, Tulsi.

Glad CNN went to break and stopped her stunt.

[Docreed2003]

122. It was weird every time she did it

Like a robot or automaton she made a statement then strangely turned to Warren...weird

[Beartracks]

130. I had stepped into the kitchen. What was she starting to ask?

[Politicub]

132. CNN went to a break and she didn't have a chance to get her question out.

Thankfully.

[nolabear]

112. Jesus, Tulsi...

Arrrrrgh, this be my debate now.

[JCMach1]

121. She really needs to go and soon

[nolabear]

133. Boy does she.

[Docreed2003]

114. WTF is up with Gabbard asking Warren questions all night

It's not a good look, especially when her statements are so robotic

[Politicub]

120. I could hear the collective groan in this thread

Her stunts are coming across as crass. Maybe they're for ads or something.

[dsp3000]

119. Gabbard terrible. Would not be surprised if she ran as a 3rd party

Essentially defended Assad, Trump's withdrawal, then tries to single out Warren directly. Go away!!

[JCMach1]

124. Yang has also been terrible tonight...

[demtenjeep]

153. this cycle's Jill Stein

why did she decide to run?

[ecstatic]

126. LOL @ Yang. "There's a reason nobody is using Bing today."

And yet MS keeps trying to force it on us.

[Politicub]

128. That was a sick burn!

[jcgoldie]

127. Why do I get the feeling Yang has his responses memorized word for word?

[Politicub]

129. He had an opportunity to make his pitch for privacy but blew it.

[emmaverybo]

134. He's drilling his lines. Just a bad delivery style.

[emmaverybo]

131. Steyer is right. We have to counter Trump's economic message.

[JCMach1]

135. Steyer has been pretty good, Bernie's night though

[Beartracks]

136. LOL Booker, in light of health questions: "The unhealthiest candidate in 2020 is Trump." True! n/t

[MustLoveBeagles]

137. +1

[emmaverybo]

138. Warren should not ignore Harris. Put a hand up and say I'll answer that or whatever.

[elleng]

141. She's answering it in her own way, not on point but

'tell us if you're taking $$$ from big business.'

[Tarc]

142. No, "delete Trump's Twitter" is a silly non sequitur

Maybe it s justified by the letter of the Twitter ToS, but the reality is that it's not going to actually happen.

I'd rather candidates deal with concrete issues and plans.

[jcgoldie]

149. Exactly.. Warren was addressing the issue

"Delete Trump's twitter" is just... who cares what these candidates think about that?

[emmaverybo]

151. I'd love to cut him off Twitter. He is a pollutant.

[jcgoldie]

156. Trust me I agree 100%

But its hardly at the heart of the issue of the influence of tech companies.

[LiberalFighter]

139. Harris -- Wow!

She has to interrupt and then thinks Warren should agree with her.

[emmaverybo]

146. Good on Amy taking it to Trump.

[IcyPeas]

155. *THERE IS A NEW THREAD NO. 4 NOW*

[emmaverybo]

159. Good to see Biden's fire!

[boomer_wv]

161. Is Pete actually....

Trying to say fighting on the debate stage is a problem when he's took shots at half the stage tonight?

Getting into it is fine, but don't come back and try to act like you're above it an hour later.

[MustLoveBeagles]

163. I guess Cory passed that torch to Pete