*****Democratic Debate Thread#1*****

[nolabear]

Opener: ITMFA!

[ecstatic]

1. Warren, Sanders, and Biden are

knocking it out the park re: impeachment.

[nolabear]

2. I think they're all of one mind on that one. 😄

[Tarc]

3. Not a super-fan of Joe, but...

I do appreciate how attentive he is when another candidate is speaking, turning to face them and listening.

Rather than some of the others who simply wait for their moment to speak.

[highplainsdem]

8. I like that, too. Reminds me of how he listened to the other candidates at an

Iowa event last summer, when the others didn't.

[bdamomma]

4. I wish

all of them could be our leaders. But I know it doesn't work that way.

[Control-Z]

5. Who is airing it? eom

[elleng]

11. CNN

[highplainsdem]

12. Here:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/democratic-debate-october-2019/index.html

[Mersky]

16. CNN and Hulu

[Politicub]

6. Warren, Sanders, Biden and Harris on ON FIRE tonight!

[helpisontheway]

7. Yes! Nt

[ecstatic]

10. Yep. Loving it! Booker is throwing cold water on the fire

though.

[Politicub]

13. Booker said a lot of nothing...

according to my husband.

[nolabear]

14. Klobuchar going straight for the jugular.

Good for her.

[Politicub]

19. Love love love her!

[Baked Potato]

151. I think Joe and Amy

Would be solid unbeatable.

[Mme. Defarge]

167. Biden/Klobuchar!

[helpisontheway]

23. True! 🙄nt

[nolabear]

9. So Corey votes no?

[bdamomma]

15. Oh Amy

is on fire………….

[nolabear]

20. I hope Spanky's big ol' head is about to explode.

[helpisontheway]

24. Yup! Nt

[highplainsdem]

17. "It doesn't make American great again. It makes Russia great again." Great line from Klobuchar.

[polichick]

18. Klobuchar goes there asap - to Syria and Putin!

[Dagstead Bumwood]

21. Great opening.

Pound the fuck away on that treason bastard. Kumbaya, baby.

[ecstatic]

22. OMG I LOVE this topic! (Impeachment)

[Politicub]

28. Pete is speaking with a lot of righteous anger. He's doing a great job, too.

[ecstatic]

76. Yeah! He did great! "Mistake for REPUBLICANS!" nt

[ecstatic]

25. Go Pete! nt

[nolabear]

26. Pete harshing the buzz. His point is good though.

[bullwinkle428]

27. GREAT point by Pete - he's confessed to half of this shit on TV!

[bdamomma]

29. I thought

Tulsi was out??? I guess she isn't.

[nolabear]

35. She was gonna boycott and then she wasn't.

[IcyPeas]

36. she was at 2% in the polls as were a few others of these folk

[MustLoveBeagles]

48. She was trolling for attention

[4139]

30. The Nationals' pitcher strikes out the side in the first...

... not allowed to watch the debate tonight

[elleng]

37. LOLOL!

[elleng]

54. 1 - 0!!!

2 - 0!!!

[spooky3]

61. ...and bases loaded, everybody's safe! Only one out.

[elleng]

65. THANKS!

I'm only watching 'score,' so appreciate details!

[spooky3]

106. and now a long single to left scores two more! 7-0!!!

[elleng]

146. AMAZING!

Looking forward to video summary later!

[spooky3]

147. Yes. I may switch over to the debate now. nt

[elleng]

149. Doing pretty well here too!!!

[elleng]

180. OY, 'they've' scored.

[spooky3]

182. yes, I just switched channels. Now 7-4! Come on Nats! nt

[underpants]

64. Yes!

2-0

[spooky3]

71. OMG 3 fielders could have caught that ball! 2 errors in one inning! nt

[elleng]

73. WOW!

[spooky3]

75. They scored it as a hit not an error. And now another hit. I think this pitcher is done. nt

[proud patriot]

101. keep us fans posted

watching debate but interested in game too

[4139]

113. 7-0 end of the 1st

[nolabear]

31. Gabbard--full Nope.

[Miles Archer]

41. Yeah.

I was not nodding my head in agreement as she spoke. I'll leave it as that.

[yellowdogintexas]

157. as Chris says on Stephanie Miller's show

#NotYouTulsi

[ecstatic]

32. So what, Gabbard? He'll feel exonerated either way.

He's a criminal who must be held accountable!

[riversedge]

40. agree. trumpy said Mueller exenerated him. !!

[Politicub]

33. No comment.

On edit... thank god that Steyer is talking now!

[Ninga]

34. No no no no to Tulsi! Nt

[highplainsdem]

38. Applause for Steyer as he compares all Dem candidates to Trump: "more decent, more patriotic and

more coherent."

[ecstatic]

39. I like Yang's "math" pin. lol nt

[Tarc]

43. That was an almost too-awkward pause after Steyer's soundbite

Pity clap saved the day.

[Politicub]

44. I disagree with Yang. The impeachment is vital to the future of th republic.

So, yes, Mr. Yang, it should and must be talked about.

Yes, bring back jobs. And YES push impeachment.

[IcyPeas]

45. may as well get this Hunter Biden stuff over with sooner rather than later

[Politicub]

49. I've been waiting to see what he would say.

And now I think I have my answer as to why the Hunter interview happened.

Biden said he'll let Hunter speak for himself. Biden is doing a good job with this topic.

[Celerity]

46. and here we go, the Biden Ukraine questions begin

not that I was under any illusions it would not come up

[bdamomma]

47. I like that

Beat him like a drum.

[riversedge]

50. Amy Klobuchar---- good comments.........

Link to tweet

?s=20

[MustLoveBeagles]

59. +1

[bdamomma]

62. That was

the truth.

[MFGsunny]

104. Nicely done, Senator Klobuchar. KUDOS for substance and sureness command you bring. n/t

[riversedge]

139. Amy has always been one of my top 3. Wishing she could break out of lower

numbers tonight

[MFGsunny]

181. Mine too - top 3 :: she's also making a heck of a run tonight at speaking truth to competitors

and colleagues alike without sounding either bit*chy or holier than thou.

She has always shown that midwest meat-n-potato or cut-to-the-chase posture AND let's get the dang job done attitude. Just IMHO.

[Baked Potato]

183. Joe and Amy

Unbeatable.

[MFGsunny]

184. Am starting to bake right there with ya! Also, I see so many of these excellent people ...

.... as fab choices to round out and round up a superb Cabinet !!!!

[Baked Potato]

185. Yes!

I know Senator Harris wants President, but I hope she would accept Attorney General if she’s not our nominee.

[Mme. Defarge]

170. PREACH!

[lark]

186. Amy was on fire last night.

I think she really helped herself. Also think Liz handled it pretty well.

[ecstatic]

51. Sanders makes the smart move and pivots away from

Hunter Biden topic.

[nolabear]

52. Joe did okay with that. Flat out did nothing wrong, I am not my son.

[bdamomma]

53. Bernie looks good

nt

[highplainsdem]

57. Yes, he does.

[IcyPeas]

83. he hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended)

"I wrote the damn bill"....

Let's be clear.....

same ol' Bernie

(hard to believe he had a friggen heart attack a week ago... I'd still be in bed crying)

[nolabear]

55. Warren needs to do well with this tax question.

Imo she needs to say yes, small tax increase and enormous savings in health care costs.

[highplainsdem]

60. She's dodging it again, and people can see through it.

[Politicub]

69. It's a false question. She talks about overall amount that famlies will pay.

And costs will be net lower for them.

[AkFemDem]

91. Yeah, no. That's a dodge.

[oldsoftie]

159. Not a false question. Sanders answered it. Just SAY it for Gods sake.

NONE of the plans being proposed can be paid for without raising taxes on EVERYONE. In Europe EVERYONE pays. Raise taxes on the rich, fine, they SHOULD pay more. But ONLY raising their taxes will not raise anywhere NEAR whats needed.

[helpisontheway]

128. Yes..she could not answer with a yes or no..😕

[oldsoftie]

164. My biggest pet peeve about politicians.

That and changing the subject to something totally different than the question.
"I believe we should work to insure everyone. But the world is facing its biggest challenge; climate change". Or some such version of that. UGH

[riversedge]

56. Sen. Amy Klobuchar: "I'd like to hear from [Pres. Trump] about how leaving the Kurds for slaughter,

Last edited Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Sen. Amy Klobuchar: "I'd like to hear from [Pres. Trump] about how leaving the Kurds for slaughter, our allies for slaughter—where Russia steps in to protect them—how that makes America great again." https://abcn.ws/32lU6OS #DemDebate

Link to tweet

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[question everything]

179. Perfect observation

[Politicub]

58. Who was saying, "we shouldn't move on [from Ukraine]?"

I think what needs to be said was said about Hunter and Ukraine.

There's a lot to cover.

[boomer_wv]

70. Booker.

I'm 99% sure it was Booker. That's who it sounded like anyway.

[Politicub]

82. Figures.

And not surprised.

[boomer_wv]

129. He's...

hitting on it again now. It sounds like he was wanted to get a big defense of Biden in and didn't. Probably had a big applause line in mind.

[Politicub]

137. He speaks with so much conviction.

And I was thrilled for him to get his point in (after I heard it).

[boomer_wv]

153. Just seemed

like one of those debate moments you prepare for. You know the question is going to come up and you have a package ready for it, and he really wanted to get it in but the mods didn't let him in.

[nolabear]

63. Pete gives her another shot.

[riversedge]

66. Hunter Biden is an adult. WTF is this with Joe Biden "letting him"?

Was it a mod who said this?

Hunter Biden is an adult. WTF is this with Joe Biden "letting him"?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[ecstatic]

72. +1000. nt

[highplainsdem]

74. Exactly.

[MustLoveBeagles]

88. +1

[elleng]

144. ZACLY!

[polichick]

67. Warren talks "costs" not "taxes" - okay, if it adds up.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

68. Pete's in the zone. n/t

[Politicub]

79. He wants to have it both ways and is being disengenious.

People will be left out of his "all who want it" scheme.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

92. Warren's coning off as double-speak.

He scored on her, as is Amy. I like Elizbeth, but this is a losing issue.

[highplainsdem]

90. He's doing really well. So is Klobuchar.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

102. Amy is coming off stonger than anyone right now.

[UniteFightBack]

154. He's frikkin awesome and he's my second choice. nt

[Backseat Driver]

77. Nobody mentions those that are not middle-class, elderly, or rich.

Medicare for seniors now covers only 80% of costs; many can't even afford the remaining 20% but are not at the unrealistic poverty level. How about it?

[nolabear]

78. I'm not nuts about the repetitive tag lines.

Beat like a drum, when they tell you who they are, I wrote the damn bill, etc.

[highplainsdem]

80. Warren's looking too evasive again.

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. She is not...they are ganging up on her.

[AkFemDem]

95. Then she should just answer the question already.

[Evergreen Emerald]

141. She did.

My opinion of Pete B. has gone down.

[Jakes Progress]

169. Oh. Stop it.

Just like the media. You want her to say the words "I will raise taxes" so that you can have a club to wield. She has answered. You and Harris are smart enough to know what that means. Don't be disingenuous.

Costs are costs. If you pay $100 for a plane ticket, but pay a $50 fee for boarding and $25 for a carry on and $50 for each checked bag and $15 for a meal, it is cheaper if I charge you $135 for a ticket that includes boarding, baggage, and meals.

This stuff is too important to use right wing rhetoric to score cheap points.

[highplainsdem]

99. They are pointing out that although Sanders admits taxes will go up, Warren won't.

[helpisontheway]

138. She should have answered yes or no. And yes they are hanging up on her. Nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

143. She did.

No tax increase on the middle class. She said it.

[riversedge]

81. Harris: "Our framers imagined this moment, a moment where we would have a corrupt president ... This

Sen. Kamala Harris: "Our framers imagined this moment, a moment where we would have a corrupt president ... This is one of those moments and so congress must act." https://abcn.ws/2ML7vJr #DemDebate

Link to tweet

?s=20

[ecstatic]

84. Looks like it's pile on night for Warren. nt

[IcyPeas]

85. she is the front runner so it's to be expected

[bdamomma]

87. I don't think

they should trash the affordable care act just tweak it.

[yellowdogintexas]

162. start with improving the ACA, adding a public option first

then move forward with additional improvements

It would be a good compromise.

What we do not want to do is suddenly dump several million people into the Medicare system all at once. Doing that can badly mess up a program. I worked for an insurer that did a lot of huge group plans (like 10,000 plus members); open enrollments were staggered around the year to avoid a huge backlog at the end of the year.

[nolabear]

89. Warren needs to answer. I like her but she needs to answer.

[bdamomma]

119. but she said

she will pile it on the wealthy for them to pay their fair share.

[scheming daemons]

93. Liz's abject fear of saying the word "tax" is not a good look.

The others are right. She needs to be honest and say, "YES! Taxes will go up!".

[DrToast]

100. Not answering makes her look weak

Can’t believe she doesn’t see that.

[highplainsdem]

108. Bernie's coming across better than she is.

[Tarc]

124. Problem there is that the media, then the GOP, will turn it into an out-of-context soundbite

She is smart to dismiss the inane gotcha questions.

[proud patriot]

94. Darnit coming in late

watching now

[Politicub]

96. These attacks on Warren's approach acknowledge that some people will be left out.

And Democrats should be for coverage for ALL and NOW.

[jcgoldie]

123. Its a stupid republican light game to get someone to say taxes

And it’s disingenuous whether Buttigieg or klobuchar is doing it.

[kacekwl]

175. Taxes will go up that's the fact. It's up

to her to explain why and what the benefit will be. Don't dodge the question.

[polichick]

97. Klobuchar is serious tonight!

[MustLoveBeagles]

107. I'm impressed by her

[Celerity]

98. Pete and Amy doing heavy lifting for Joe on MFA

[highplainsdem]

115. They're doing really well. Much better than Warren tonight.

[Celerity]

156. she looks evasive IMHO

[Takket]

103. i CAN'T STAND IT when they ask if medical plans will RAISE TAXES

the media knows damn well taxes will go up and be OFFSET by people not paying for their medicals plans OUT OF POCKET which costs FAR MORE than the tax increase will. STOP ACTING LIKE A TAX INCREASE HAPPENS IN A VACUUM WITHOUT EMPLOYEES MAKING MORE MONEY IN TERMS OF LESS PREMIUMS

[drray23]

148. Unfortunately this won't necessarily be the outcome

If companies don't have to provide benefits because everybody is on mfa, they will reduce the compensation package accordingly and employees will get shafted.

[Celerity]

155. yes, I do not understand why an advocate for MFA like Sanders or Warren do not do that

say

yes, if you make (for example) 100K as a family you taxes will go up by say 10,000 usd or so, BUT your premiums and co-pays and drugs bill go all away completely, so you end up paying far less

it is even more dramatic for a family (or individual) making 35,000 or 50,000

my main issue with MFA is NOT the actual nets cost (estimate say 32 trillion to 38 trillion over 10 years , BUT if we do nothing, total US healthcare costs for that same 10 years will be around 45 to 50 trillion, with us spening 6 trillion per year by 2029 or so)

that is not my main issue

it is that it simply will never pass in the foreseeable future even if we have 60 Dems in the Senate, and 275 Dems in the House

the Rethugs have framed it, will frame it, and Big Pharma, Big Healthcare and Big Insurance have and will fame it (along with conservadems) in such a way that it will terrify so many tens of millions of voters and even if we did somehow get it passed, we would be utterly wiped out the next series of elections and it will be undone. Even if it is somehow up and running, can you imagine what the Rethugs will do TO ITS BUDGET AND FUNDING when they get into power?????

think about it

over the next 20 years, at current rates of increase, we are talking about WELL over 120 TRILLION spent on healthcare in the US

even at relatively small profit margins, that is TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS in PROFITS at stake for all the private industries involved

they are NEVER going to give up that gravy train

it sucks, but there it is

[polichick]

105. Tell it Bernie!

[Politicub]

109. Yes! The primary voters will decide which approach we support as a party.

[nolabear]

112. Was Joe right though? People need to know so we can decide.

[nolabear]

110. Welp, it's definitely a fight. They need to really talk about the costs.

Joe has numbers. No one denied them. I’d like to know if they’re right.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

111. Harris just scored points bringing up reproducitve rights

[Politicub]

120. I am so happy she brought the topic up. It is of utmost importance.

She is right -- people will die if these abortion prohibitions stand.

[Politicub]

114. Preach, Harris!!

[nolabear]

121. Yes, I'm sorry they didn't give her more respect there. Hope they come back to it.

[IcyPeas]

116. who is moderator Marc Lacey:

The Democratic National Committee has made a commitment to increasing the diversity of debate moderators this cycle and agreed to include at least one person of color and one woman in every debate.

Over his 20 years at The New York Times, Marc Lacey has worn many hats: a White House correspondent, a foreign correspondent who has reported from dozens of countries, the editor of the weekend news report and, now, the National editor.

from the NYT

[ecstatic]

117. Agree 100% with Harris re: abortion.

They need to talk about police brutality as well!

[Atticus]

118. Elizabeth Warren has damaged her candidacy, perhaps fatally, with her nonsensical

refusal to admit what everyone knows: MFA will increase taxes on the middle class. If "costs", in fact, will be reduced, that may or may not be compatible with increased taxes. But, Klobuchar is correct when she says Warren is producing Republican talking points with her parsing and posturing.

[jcgoldie]

125. No she isnt

Klobuchar is repeating them. Rather ironic she said that as she plays that republican game.

[AkFemDem]

132. Everyone is saying it. She has to just own the tax issue...

I really don’t understand her reluctance here, it’s not going to turn off more people than the stigma of hiding the truth would.

[Atticus]

171. Disagreement with Warren equals Repub talking points---yeah, that sounds reasonable. nt

[jcgoldie]

173. Lol

Playing a game to tag “raise taxes” on a democrat is the republican talking point. Especially when everyone on the stage recognizes the cost effects.

[Atticus]

176. I'm sorry. I understood that she was supposed to communicate with those watching, not

just those on stage.

[edhopper]

130. An increase in taxes of $5 to $10k

while eliminating the $20k in current health costs, lowers total cost.
it really isn't that hard to understand.

[Thekaspervote]

160. If it's easy to understand she should be repeating it over and over.

Lots of voters only hear this will raise my taxes.

[edhopper]

165. What do you think

"costs won't go up" means?

[Atticus]

172. She was not asked about "costs"; she was asked about "taxes". What does it mean

that she dodged the question---again?

[edhopper]

174. she answered it saying

it won't increase costs on the middle class.

The problem is medicare payments are seen as taxes and health insurance payments are fine to stay as they are.

[Atticus]

177. She was asked about apples and answered about bananas. nt

[edhopper]

178. She was trying to prevent everyone from just yelling

"RAISING TAXES!!!" Which people want to attack her with. Even though she would lower costs.

[Atticus]

168. IF those are the facts, why doesn't she just explain it as you just did. Her repeated refusal to do

so leads people to ask what she is concealing. I don't think she's concealing anything. She has simply decided not to answer a yes or no question with either a yes or no.

[Thekaspervote]

158. Yes indeed she has, the question is way out there. Voters want to know -it's evasive not to

Answer. It will not help her overtake Biden and become the front runner

[Dagstead Bumwood]

122. Not a Yang fan, but I'm loving that pin.

[nolabear]

126. Good for Corey. Addressing both Biden and reproductive rights.

[ecstatic]

127. Great job, Booker! nt

[Politicub]

135. Yes! The prohibitions will effect EVERY family.

Whether they acknowledge it or not.

It is on all of us to fight for reproductive choice.

[bdamomma]

131. starting

***********Democratic Debate Thread #2**************

[riversedge]

133. OMG @KamalaHarris brings up women's reproductive health.

Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
·
4m
OMG @KamalaHarris
brings up women’s reproductive health. #DemocraticDebate
Adam Best
@adamcbest
·
22m
Starting this debate with impeachment, a subject that all 12 participants mostly agree on, is pointless. #DemocraticDebate
Wajahat Ali
@WajahatAli
·
4m
I'm glad Kamala Harris finally came in strong to talk about how Republicans are attacking women's health and lives with their health insurance policies.

[IcyPeas]

134. what's the matter with this country that we can't figure out health care?

rhetorical question

[polichick]

140. Greedy politicians and gullible voters.

[yellowdogintexas]

163. Big Insurance and Big Pharma nt

[polichick]

166. They wouldn't be a problem if politicians did their job.

[nolabear]

136. I wonder if Warren isn't trying for too much at once.

Having boards elected by employees isn’t bad but is off of every important issue right now. I think people might get overwhelmed.

[Kahuna7]

145. Does she really believe that we don't know we're losing jobs to automation????

Really????

[elleng]

150. She (and others) can propose/suggest,

and We the People will think and address as time goes on. We need House and Senate fairly selected by us all.

[nolabear]

142. LET'S START A SECOND THREAD

[riversedge]

152. Kamala Harris calls Trump corrupt and says he's selling out America. #DemocraticDebate

PoliticusUSA
@politicususa
·
38m
Kamala Harris calls Trump corrupt and says he's selling out America. #DemocraticDebate

Link to tweet

?s=20

[CousinIT]

161. Biden and Klobuchar have matching plans on healthcare. n/t