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yardwork

(61,539 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:12 PM Oct 2019

I had a heart attack several years ago. I am perfectly fine.

I'm posting this because I'm reading some things here about how somebody who has a heart attack is automatically too unwell to maintain a rigorous schedule.

I had a heart attack, had a stent placed, and was out of the hospital in a few days. A few days later I went on a business trip. I returned to work full-time and haven't looked back. The cardiac rehab I did was physically strenuous. The doctors and therapists urged all of us in the rehab class - people in their 40s to their 80s - to work out rigorously, working up a sweat, getting our heart rates up. This is the standard of care.

I am physically fine. No permanent damage at all.

My biggest problem has been convincing my bosses and co-workers that I'm well enough to handle a stressful job. I'm at the top of my game in a competitive field. People look for reasons to count out the competition. I've proved them wrong, but there's always a stigma.

I don't agree with Bernie Sanders' policies and I don't like him very much as a person because of his behavior leading up to the 2016 election. But there's no reason to assume that he's not well enough to campaign. That's up to him and his doctors.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I had a heart attack several years ago. I am perfectly fine. (Original Post) yardwork Oct 2019 OP
Yup... hlthe2b Oct 2019 #1
Thank you. yardwork Oct 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Susan Calvin Oct 2019 #29
You're in your mid eighties? NurseJackie Oct 2019 #3
No, and I didn't say I was. yardwork Oct 2019 #5
I know. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #9
Neither is Sanders rpannier Oct 2019 #27
78 plus "several years" NurseJackie Oct 2019 #32
I am glad you are doing well. drray23 Oct 2019 #4
I hadn't planned to support him in the primaries anyway. yardwork Oct 2019 #7
Thank you. Joe941 Oct 2019 #6
Recommended. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #8
Yep. Jirel Oct 2019 #10
I just hope he is listening to his doctors. murielm99 Oct 2019 #11
I agree that everybody is different. I'm just speaking out against automatic assumptions. yardwork Oct 2019 #14
oh I think there's reason to wonder qazplm135 Oct 2019 #12
I didn't say our situations are comparable. yardwork Oct 2019 #17
No one said that qazplm135 Oct 2019 #24
. Susan Calvin Oct 2019 #31
👍🏼 blm Oct 2019 #13
But he is 78 and the job of President is extremely stressful. pnwmom Oct 2019 #15
Exactly. Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #26
He'll be out there campaigning soon and people will get a chance to judge for themselves. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #16
Exactly. yardwork Oct 2019 #19
We are not all stamped out of the same machine. I am 73 and am more healthy than any of my family wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #18
Thank you for this. democrank Oct 2019 #20
Thank you. yardwork Oct 2019 #21
I get it. TomSlick Oct 2019 #22
Thanks for posting this, and I'm glad you're perfectly fine now! highplainsdem Oct 2019 #23
Rec'd! nt babylonsister Oct 2019 #25
Thanks! yardwork Oct 2019 #49
I had one last year and cycled 70 miles last Saturday jberryhill Oct 2019 #28
See?! Good for you! yardwork Oct 2019 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Susan Calvin Oct 2019 #30
an epal had a small heart attack, his chiropractor told him to go to the dr. he had no idea. minor. pansypoo53219 Oct 2019 #33
Congrats on your full recovery. Take it favorably that your coworkers are protective of you. iluvtennis Oct 2019 #34
It didn't feel protective. Quite the opposite. yardwork Oct 2019 #38
Aww too bad...sorry. I'm ever the optimist. Take care. nt iluvtennis Oct 2019 #42
Every person is different, every cardiac event is different, every prognosis is different Baclava Oct 2019 #35
That's my point. Don't automatically assume and reject based on this one thing. yardwork Oct 2019 #47
I had Double PE's 2 years ago. kozar Oct 2019 #36
I'm glad that you're doing well too! yardwork Oct 2019 #46
Apples and Oranges Roy Rolling Oct 2019 #37
You seem to have misread my entire post. yardwork Oct 2019 #39
Well there is no guarantee Biden wouldn't have another aneurysm, he has had 2 of them, but vsrazdem Oct 2019 #40
About 15 years ago I passed out in the garage one Saturday night. Stonepounder Oct 2019 #41
I'm so glad that you are doing well! yardwork Oct 2019 #44
I see your point, but we can't have another 4 years of chaos. ecstatic Oct 2019 #43
Well, that's an impossible guarantee. yardwork Oct 2019 #45
As Leslie Nielsen Said in Naked Gun... DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #50
Nonetheless... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #51
Which policies of Bernie do you disagree with? NT Eric J in MN Oct 2019 #52
Trade policies, for one. yardwork Oct 2019 #53
Does Elizabeth Warren have different trade policies Eric J in MN Oct 2019 #54
Do what? Elizabeth Warren's criticism of Obama, TPP, NAFTA, her "Economic Patriotism," etc., Hoyt Oct 2019 #55
Her positions on trade are a concern to me as well. yardwork Oct 2019 #57
It's so nice transnational corporations will keep the peace... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #56
I agree that we need much more regulation. Warren's approach makes sense to me. yardwork Oct 2019 #58
Let's treat poor foreign workers like scabs, such that they have no chance to progress. That's what Hoyt Oct 2019 #59
 

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
1. Yup...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:16 PM
Oct 2019

There is a tremendous range of what is known as an MI (myocardial infarction-heart attack) and the damage that occurs can be quite minimal to quite severe. No one should make assumptions merely based on the words "heart attack."

Glad to hear you were at the "minimal" end and doing well (and working to educate others).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
3. You're in your mid eighties?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:19 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
5. No, and I didn't say I was.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:21 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. I know.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:22 PM
Oct 2019

So it's hardly the same.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
27. Neither is Sanders
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:44 PM
Oct 2019

Born 1941. That would make him... ohhhhhhhhhhh... say...... 78
So it's hardly the same thing as a man in his mid-80's

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
32. 78 plus "several years"
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:58 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

drray23

(7,619 posts)
4. I am glad you are doing well.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:19 PM
Oct 2019

However. No job on this planet is more stressful than being the president of the United states. I wish Bernie the best but I dont think its reasonable for him to be elected president. In the unlikely event he does get the nomination, I will of course vote for him and donate to his campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
7. I hadn't planned to support him in the primaries anyway.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:22 PM
Oct 2019

I just don't like the biases I'm reading here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jirel

(2,014 posts)
10. Yep.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:26 PM
Oct 2019

For all the haters, I have 2 words:

Dick Cheney.

8 years of shadow presidency evil with a heart a hundred times worse. If Bernie wins the nomination (unlikely), he’ll be infinitely better for the country regardless of a bit of heart disease.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
11. I just hope he is listening to his doctors.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:27 PM
Oct 2019

My husband had valve replacement surgery. Then he had blood clots in his femoral artery and had to go back for more surgery. He came home after two days and is doing well. His cardiac rehab has been put on hold for awhile.

I know that complications can occur. I know my husband is tired and needs to rest for awhile.

My husband is 75. Bernie is 78.

I don't care much for Bernie, either, but I don't want him to think he is Superman. He needs to listen to his doctors and to his body.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
14. I agree that everybody is different. I'm just speaking out against automatic assumptions.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:31 PM
Oct 2019

I hope that your husband recovers fully.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. oh I think there's reason to wonder
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:28 PM
Oct 2019

he's almost 80
Running for President is harder by far than just about anything...except, of course, being President.

so your experience doesn't translate on multiple levels.

But ultimately, he's a grown man, he will decide what he decides, and whatever he decides I certainly wish him long health and happiness...but the idea that it's crazy to wonder if he's going to have the health and stamina for this? Millions of potential voters are DEFINITELY going to be wondering that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
17. I didn't say our situations are comparable.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:35 PM
Oct 2019

I'm simply speaking out against automatic assumptions that having a heart attack means that you have to stop working.

I had to fight against this bias after my heart attack. Worrying that people would count me out and that I might even lose my job just because of people's uninformed assumptions caused me more stress than the event itself.

Everybody's situation is different. Please don't assume that having a heart attack is necessarily a dire thing. It may not be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
24. No one said that
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:55 PM
Oct 2019

Or applied it to all cases...they are pretty clearly tying it to his age and current situation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
15. But he is 78 and the job of President is extremely stressful.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:31 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
26. Exactly. Thank you.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:12 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
16. He'll be out there campaigning soon and people will get a chance to judge for themselves.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:32 PM
Oct 2019

Another candidate has endured some cynical attacks over health from supporters of other candidates and it's really not a positive thing for party unity. If Sanders isn't well enough to continue the campaign it will show and if he is that will show too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
18. We are not all stamped out of the same machine. I am 73 and am more healthy than any of my family
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:35 PM
Oct 2019

and my wife's family who are all younger than me. All but my wife have some ongoing medical problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democrank

(11,085 posts)
20. Thank you for this.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

Glad you’re okay.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
22. I get it.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:48 PM
Oct 2019

A stent is not a death sentence. There is no reason that Senator Sanders will not be fine. I am not convinced that a stressful job, even the Presidency, increases the risk of future heart issues.

However, the issue is not whether Senator Sanders is physically up to the job. The question is whether those few swing voters in the very few counties that might again decide the election will worry that Senator Sanders is not up to the job.

Nothing is more important than winning the 2020 election. If concerns over Senator Sanders' health endangers a Democratic victory in 2020, then he cannot be our candidate. It isn't fair but that's the way it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
23. Thanks for posting this, and I'm glad you're perfectly fine now!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:53 PM
Oct 2019

My mother lived decades after a heart attack, even though she was in her mid-70s when it happened, and I don't think that's all that unusual when people take care of themselves.

The heart can repair itself, if the damage isn't too great. New blood vessels can form. This is something I don't think most people are aware of.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. I had one last year and cycled 70 miles last Saturday
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:51 PM
Oct 2019

A month and a half after an LAD heart attack, I was back on my bike and riding 60 miles.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
48. See?! Good for you!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:08 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to yardwork (Original post)

 

pansypoo53219

(20,955 posts)
33. an epal had a small heart attack, his chiropractor told him to go to the dr. he had no idea. minor.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:11 PM
Oct 2019

went on some drugs for cholesterol.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

iluvtennis

(19,835 posts)
34. Congrats on your full recovery. Take it favorably that your coworkers are protective of you.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:17 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
38. It didn't feel protective. Quite the opposite.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:31 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

iluvtennis

(19,835 posts)
42. Aww too bad...sorry. I'm ever the optimist. Take care. nt
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
35. Every person is different, every cardiac event is different, every prognosis is different
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:19 PM
Oct 2019

These testimonials don't prove anything one way or the other, other than you survived, which is great, btw

Bernie should be glad he's still alive, modern medicine can do wonders these days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
47. That's my point. Don't automatically assume and reject based on this one thing.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:07 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kozar

(2,088 posts)
36. I had Double PE's 2 years ago.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:23 PM
Oct 2019

we nt through kind of same thing,,2 days of panic and then back to work. Got "kid glove treatment" from bosses for about 6 months. Physically,it took me about a year to feel "strong" again,I played sports my whole life. Mentally, was my first taste of mortality and Im still working on that. So happy you feel well and shared your story!

Koz

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
46. I'm glad that you're doing well too!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:07 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
37. Apples and Oranges
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:31 PM
Oct 2019

Because the critical element of an MI is damage to heart muscle that cannot be repaired.

Good for you to avoid such a tragic and permanent fate, it remains to be seen if Sanders was so lucky.

Medical professionals evaluate our lifestyle, age, and stress levels to make a diagnosis. Diagnosing Senator Sanders based on your own wonderful medical outcome is certainly hopeful, but not predictive medical science.

The regenerative power of a 78-year old is diminished as a normal function of aging, it’s nobody’s fault.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
39. You seem to have misread my entire post.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:33 PM
Oct 2019

I'm pointedly NOT making any assumptions about anybody else. I'm asking that others not jump to conclusions just on the basis of the words "heart attack." It tells us very little.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
40. Well there is no guarantee Biden wouldn't have another aneurysm, he has had 2 of them, but
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:38 PM
Oct 2019

if he is healty enough to campaign, he is healthy enough to run, and so is Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
41. About 15 years ago I passed out in the garage one Saturday night.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:53 PM
Oct 2019

Ambulance called, tests till about 3:00am, angiogram on Sunday, open heart surgery on Monday with a triple bypass, Maze procedure, and removal of a hanging clot. About a week in the hospital, 3 months off work.

Back to work, lots of travel involved, flying here and there, 50 hour weeks, and loving it. Had a couple of doctors tell me that if they hadn't seen the scar down the middle of my chest they would never have known that there was ever a problem with my heart as it seemed healthier than somebody much younger.

Cardiac medicine has come a LONG way in the last 20 years!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
44. I'm so glad that you are doing well!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:03 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
43. I see your point, but we can't have another 4 years of chaos.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:40 AM
Oct 2019

I want to be confident that our next democratic president will be able to serve 8 years with ZERO worries about mental or physical health. In addition to health concerns, a lot of guys turn right-wing at a certain age. Not interested in dealing with any of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
45. Well, that's an impossible guarantee.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:06 AM
Oct 2019

Many of our candidates are older, including the one you and I are supporting. And even with younger candidates, there is no guarantee of perfect health.

Rejection of a candidate just because they've had a heart attack, without any further information or details, is exactly the kind of bias I faced.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
50. As Leslie Nielsen Said in Naked Gun...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:14 AM
Oct 2019

There is always risk. You take a risk getting up in the morning, crossing the street, or sticking your face in a fan.

Bernie, beautifully, has never let anyone tell him what to do, and I doubt he will start now. He'll be the one to decide whether or not to go on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
51. Nonetheless...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:46 AM
Oct 2019

... a presidential campaign is grueling - I hope he recovers fully, takes it easy, and lives to be 100.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
52. Which policies of Bernie do you disagree with? NT
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:18 AM
Oct 2019

NT

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
53. Trade policies, for one.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:25 AM
Oct 2019

I am strongly in favor of open trade policies, as I believe they prevent wars. Isolationism and protectionism leads to nationalism and war.

I also strongly disagree with Bernie's habit of throwing out "kitchen sink" solutions that are not well thought out and stand zero chance of passing Congress. His green new deal "plans" - if you could dignify such a hodgepodge as such - are a good example. OF COURSE we need an emergency response to climate change, but Bernie's approach to campaigning is intellectually lazy and ultimately counterproductive. I could go on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
54. Does Elizabeth Warren have different trade policies
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:26 AM
Oct 2019

...from Bernie?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
55. Do what? Elizabeth Warren's criticism of Obama, TPP, NAFTA, her "Economic Patriotism," etc.,
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

is the main reason she is a concern for me.

I agree 100% with your comments about open trade policies, nationalism, prevention of war, etc. But, that is not Warren's view.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
57. Her positions on trade are a concern to me as well.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 10:41 AM
Oct 2019

I like Warren because of her detail-oriented approach to economic policy, and deep down I trust her. I also like Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
56. It's so nice transnational corporations will keep the peace...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 10:02 AM
Oct 2019

... as long as they are able to race us to the bottom while extracting trillions in profits.

How about we have fair trade and worker protections? Open trade leads to assholes like Jack Welch wishing they could literally float their manufacturing on barges looking for the lowest wage bidder. There has to be a better balance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
58. I agree that we need much more regulation. Warren's approach makes sense to me.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 10:42 AM
Oct 2019

Simply cancelling trade agreements and slapping tariffs on everything is a disaster.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
59. Let's treat poor foreign workers like scabs, such that they have no chance to progress. That's what
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:06 AM
Oct 2019

I hear from Sanders and Warren. America First, Economic Patriotism, etc., are unacceptable to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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