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brooklynite

(94,508 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:09 PM Sep 2019

One of my concerns about Biden is that he seems to be coasting, policy-wise

I don't mean that he's going for mainstream strategies (vs Warren and Sanders); I mean that he hasn't announced anything truly unique, that stands out as a hallmark of his campaign. His policy planks largely seem to be restoring or building on the elements people remember from President Obama. That may be a tactical choice to try to win back Obama voters who switched to Trump in 2012, but I think he's going to need to come up with something that truly frames himself as a candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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One of my concerns about Biden is that he seems to be coasting, policy-wise (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2019 OP
This is not a policy election. NYMinute Sep 2019 #1
Thanks. Nice LakeArenal Sep 2019 #2
Let's agree to BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #3
replacing repubs with dems top to bottom would be a helpful first step nt msongs Sep 2019 #4
Agreed indeed! eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #5
um, policies are the architectural plans, the foundation you rebuild on, not "paint" bluewater Sep 2019 #8
History tells differently NYMinute Sep 2019 #15
Continental Congress, Declaration of Independence... bluewater Sep 2019 #17
That is not the same nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #25
Agree!! I like your analogy. I see his trajectory on RCP is back up to 10.5 avg Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #11
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Sep 2019 #21
But policy should drive politics. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #28
Winning comes first -- then policy NYMinute Sep 2019 #33
+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2019 #30
You're not alone BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #6
he isn't running on policy JI7 Sep 2019 #7
some say he's running on empty bluewater Sep 2019 #9
Agree. nt cwydro Sep 2019 #10
I don't have that concern. George II Sep 2019 #12
Biden's strength is his vast contributions to the success of the Obama administration. beastie boy Sep 2019 #13
Not sure he needs to do that. honest.abe Sep 2019 #14
He has come up with something that transcends policies--a vision for America, a call to our better emmaverybo Sep 2019 #16
I'll protect and build on Obamacare to ensure every American receives the health care they deserve Gothmog Sep 2019 #18
I'm a Biden supporter, but would love to see more policies that are doable 5starlib Sep 2019 #19
I'm still looking. Cancer cure? That was widely panned and he only says now boosting research emmaverybo Sep 2019 #20
most of the policy he talks about is foreign policy JI7 Sep 2019 #22
"Free stuff" is a pure right-wing talking point... JackFrost Sep 2019 #23
He's running to be president, not an ad exec with new ideas for commercials. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #24
"He isn't just offering restoration without improvements." Cha Sep 2019 #31
Biden reminds me of the Rat Pack pertello Sep 2019 #26
In fairness, Sinatra was at his (acting) prime in the Rat Pack days... brooklynite Sep 2019 #27
Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking Cha Sep 2019 #32
picking up where Obama admin left off seems pretty smart to me beachbumbob Sep 2019 #29
Agreed Justice Sep 2019 #35
Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats Gothmog Sep 2019 #34
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
1. This is not a policy election.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:11 PM
Sep 2019

When the house has been in shambles after hurricane Trump, one wants to rebuild it first before deciding on paint and furniture.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueMTexpat

(15,367 posts)
3. Let's agree to
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:16 PM
Sep 2019

disagree.

The old house was pretty rickety even before Trump. Without Prez Obama, it would have been in complete shambles much earlier.

Policy is indeed important.

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msongs

(67,395 posts)
4. replacing repubs with dems top to bottom would be a helpful first step nt
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:17 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,367 posts)
5. Agreed indeed! eom
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
8. um, policies are the architectural plans, the foundation you rebuild on, not "paint"
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:29 PM
Sep 2019


That's why Elizabeth Warren continues to gain support.
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
15. History tells differently
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019

The Colonials overthrew the crown first and then wrote the constitution.

They didn't write the constitution before the American Revolution.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
17. Continental Congress, Declaration of Independence...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:57 PM
Sep 2019

History says you are simply wrong.

From 1774 to 1789, the Continental Congress served as the government of the 13 American colonies and later the United States. The First Continental Congress, which was comprised of delegates from the colonies, met in 1774 in reaction to the Coercive Acts, a series of measures imposed by the British government on the colonies in response to their resistance to new taxes. In 1775, the Second Continental Congress convened after the American Revolutionary War (1775-83) had already begun. In 1776, it took the momentous step of declaring America’s independence from Britain. Five years later, the Congress ratified the first national constitution, the Articles of Confederation, under which the country would be governed until 1789, when it was replaced by the current U.S. Constitution.


Plans and policies are the foundations on which lasting institutions are built.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
25. That is not the same nt
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:59 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,757 posts)
11. Agree!! I like your analogy. I see his trajectory on RCP is back up to 10.5 avg
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
28. But policy should drive politics.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:20 PM
Sep 2019

Policy is not paint and furniture, it is the foundation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
33. Winning comes first -- then policy
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019

Defeating Trump is the prime directive at the moment. Everything else can be sorted out later.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
6. You're not alone
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019
Biden allies: Warren is taking a bite out of his electability argument

...She’s rocking and rolling,” the donor said. “She’s taking from [Sen.] Kamala [Harris (D-Calif.)], she’s taking from Bernie [Sanders] and she could eventually take from Biden.”

A Biden supporter who worked as an aide to former President Obama said Biden can’t just argue he’s the most electable Democrat if he hopes to fend off the challenge from Warren.

“He needs to offer more. He can’t simply say, ‘I’m the only one who can beat Trump,’ ” the ex-Obama aide said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/462078-biden-allies-warren-is-taking-a-bite-out-of-his-electability-argument
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

JI7

(89,247 posts)
7. he isn't running on policy
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. some say he's running on empty
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:30 PM
Sep 2019

Joking. Mostly.

Running on being President Obama's VP is a plan after all, but will that be enough?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. I don't have that concern.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:40 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,315 posts)
13. Biden's strength is his vast contributions to the success of the Obama administration.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:57 PM
Sep 2019

This is fondly remembered by millions of Americans. As most other Democratic candidates compete for the "most progressive" title, it makes no sense for Biden to jump into that crowded pool. Proudly owning the label of "moderate incrementalist", despite the negative connotations that it carries in the more radical progressive circles, is what makes his campaign stand out and truly unique. And poll after poll shows that most Democrats support his position. The only candidate who is gaining on Biden is Warren, who is arguably the next least revolutionary candidate in the race.

It seems to me that Biden, considering his background and popularity, has positioned himself perfectly for the long run.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
14. Not sure he needs to do that.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:59 PM
Sep 2019

In fact he might be better off not to do that. If he gets to too specific or too extreme he might lose the centrist vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. He has come up with something that transcends policies--a vision for America, a call to our better
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:39 PM
Sep 2019

angels, a call to unify in a “struggle for the soul of America.” It’s poetry, not a plan in every pot.

Skip this part for if you know Joe’s many policies:

He’s got a strong education plan, which takes children from pre-K through college, the most broadly appealing health plan, a plan to abolish the death penalty, end cash bail, get rid of cocaine sentencing disparities, eliminate mandatory minimum sentences, eliminate private prisons, raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, expand/fix existing student debt-relief programs, boost teacher pay, end unlimited spending in politics, support developing new nuclear technologies as part of an effort to fight climate change, end new oil and gas leases on federal land and end offshore drilling, tax carbon emissions, strengthen enforcement on farm economy, pay farmers to carry out climate-friendly practices, implement a voluntary assault weapons buy back program, conduct universal background checks, build on ACA, negotiate for Medicare drug prices and international reference pricing, expand Medicare coverage, give citizenship to dreamers, boost infrastructure spending, decriminalize marijuana, boost defense spending, keep troops deployed, increase capital gains taxes, raise corporate taxes, make changes to USMCA, stop using tariffs to pressure countries, join
CPTPP...
And invest in cancer research, protect Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid (all threatened), Roe vs. Wade(threatened), triple funding for low-income schools, rejoin Paris climate accords...also has four middle class building policies involving worker protections, Major infrastructure investments, incentives for venture capitalists...
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End polices (almost)
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Not spending enough money?

Oh and Joe Biden has substantial and sound ideas on foreign policy, which no other candidate has much knowledge of or experience in.

He will probably revive the VAWA.

I hope he will address our historically high deficit!

He wants to study reparations.

His plans are do-able and should, in addition to rebuilding the physical infrastructure of the nation, and making the whole administration work again, take at least a term to accomplish, or two. It is true other candidates have proposed plans that could only be realized, if ever, in about ten terms, but then Joe knows enough about the job to know that.

I love Joe’s message from launch to Iowa, as he expresses who we are and can be in living up to our distinctly American ideals. Policy details don’t really inspire me. In this, I think I have company.

Just Remember This:
From Biden in Iowa after El Paso Massacre

What this president doesn’t understand is that unlike every other nation on earth, we're unable to define what constitutes "American" by religion, by ethnicity, or by tribe; you can't do it.
America is an idea. An idea stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It gives hope to the most desperate people on earth….

The most powerful idea in the history of the world I think beats in the hearts of the people of this country. And it beats in all of us. No matter your race, your ethnicity. No matter your gender identity, your sexual orientation. No matter your faith. It beats in the heart of rich and poor alike. It unites America -- whether your ancestors were Native to these shores or they were brought here forcibly and enslaved, whether they were immigrants generations back, like my family from Ireland, or those coming today looking to build a better life for your family.

The American creed – that we are all created equal –was written long-ago. But the genius of every generation of Americans has opened it wider and wider and wider, to include those who have been excluded in a previous generation. That’s why it has never gathered dust in the history books.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,131 posts)
18. I'll protect and build on Obamacare to ensure every American receives the health care they deserve
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

5starlib

(191 posts)
19. I'm a Biden supporter, but would love to see more policies that are doable
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Sep 2019

I don't wanna see a bunch of free stuff like Sanders and Warren are offering, but he should come out with something unique that he can hang his hat on. I don't wanna see him compete with how much free stuff he can give out though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
20. I'm still looking. Cancer cure? That was widely panned and he only says now boosting research
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:36 PM
Sep 2019

investment. I agree—a signature plan, but not endless prizes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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JI7

(89,247 posts)
22. most of the policy he talks about is foreign policy
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:56 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JackFrost

(37 posts)
23. "Free stuff" is a pure right-wing talking point...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:13 PM
Sep 2019

It has as absolutely no place anywhere near the fight for better conditions for the majority of struggling people in this country. It is the language of the owners and the corporations who have ravaged and pillaged the working class and the poor people of this country. The levels of income inequality have reached levels of obscenity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,971 posts)
24. He's running to be president, not an ad exec with new ideas for commercials.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:19 PM
Sep 2019

He's offering experience and leadership, not policy novelties.

But he is offering improvements on existing programs. Like the public option.

He isn't just offering restoration without improvements.

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Cha

(297,156 posts)
31. "He isn't just offering restoration without improvements."
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:42 PM
Sep 2019

Exactly, highplainsdem.. anyone who claims that hasn't been paying attention.

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pertello

(55 posts)
26. Biden reminds me of the Rat Pack
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:03 PM
Sep 2019

— like Frank Sinatra or Dean Martin who just casually stroll onto a stage and the audience bursts out in applause because they remember what a great performer this old geezer used to be. That’s Biden. Except in this scenario he’s Joey Bishop. Someone who wasn’t the most talented but got to share the limelight with the cool guy who was.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brooklynite

(94,508 posts)
27. In fairness, Sinatra was at his (acting) prime in the Rat Pack days...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:15 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,156 posts)
32. Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:44 PM
Sep 2019

about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
29. picking up where Obama admin left off seems pretty smart to me
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:28 PM
Sep 2019

especially when trump and GOP have blown most of it up

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,131 posts)
34. Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:07 AM
Sep 2019



The most obvious is Biden’s consistent strength in head-to-head polls against Trump. You can remind people all day long that these are unreliable indicators of how a general-election campaign will actually play out, but they won’t be able to ignore them. And Biden’s advantage here is significant. There is not a single poll in the RealClearPolitics database of 2020 trial heats between Biden and Trump in which Biden does not lead. His current lead in RCP’s polling averages is an enormous 11.5 percent (Sanders’s is 7.0 percent, and Warren’s is 5.2 percent, but both have trailed Trump in some surveys).

A second factor making Biden Mr. Electable is the widespread belief among pundits and voters alike that, all things being equal, proximity to the political “center” is a general-election asset. The more we approach a three-candidate nominating contest in which Biden’s only real challenge comes from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, the more Biden’s relative “moderation” will become evident. That may hurt him with some primary voters, but it could at the same time enhance his perceived electability.

A third factor some analysts focus on is the practical ability to win voters the party lost in 2016 — either to Trump or to third parties or to the living-room couch. There’s at best limited evidence that Biden is more popular than other Democrats in the much-chewed-over white working-class demographic (especially Obama-Trump voters). But he certainly talks about his focus on these voters a lot, which enhances the perception they are his people. And he certainly has conspicuous strength among African-American voters, whose fall-off in turnout was a big problem for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Biden does not look like a good bet to energize younger voters, but Trump might well do that for him...…

“Risk-averse” is probably the most important term to remember in assessing Democratic voters heading toward 2020. They still don’t entirely understand how Hillary Clinton managed to lose to Donald Trump in 2016, but they aren’t inclined to take anything for granted this time around. And that will make it difficult for candidates other than Biden to convince Democrats their other qualities are worth taking a bit of a risk on. Sure, Biden could in theory blow himself up with some high-profile gaffe that undermines the very premise of his candidacy. But that’s not within anyone else’s control.
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