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5starlib

(191 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 05:59 PM Sep 2019

Republican insiders fear Biden as the nominee

On the Morning Joe roundtable, there was a reporter from the WSJ that I couldn't remember the name (sorry), and he said that the Republican operatives and insiders have told him they fear Biden more than any other candidate simply because he's more likeable than practically anyone else. Sure, they will try to tear him down, but there's something to be said for someone who is likeable.

Bill Clinton survived numerous allegations of infedility and impeachment due to people just simply liking the guy from Arkansas. This is Biden's ace in the hole. When people like you, they look over any issues they may have and they are more likely to vote you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Republican insiders fear Biden as the nominee (Original Post) 5starlib Sep 2019 OP
Of course they do!! Thx for posting Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #1
He contrasts positively when measured against Trump. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2019 #2
Hell, Richard Nixon would contrast positively when measured against Trump. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #7
that's just meaningless phrases. Obama changed things for the better JI7 Sep 2019 #10
Being likable was the only thing George W Bush had going for him. comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #3
Yes, and it drove us (liberals) crazy that Bush was likeable 5starlib Sep 2019 #6
They like him! Which is what rivals' supporters really hate. They don't feel he has earned it. They emmaverybo Sep 2019 #4
if he does what Obama did. he will raise taxes on the wealthy JI7 Sep 2019 #11
Well, he says he will right off roll back the Republican tax giveaway. Yes, I should have said he emmaverybo Sep 2019 #12
Right on the mark, emmaverybo peggysue2 Sep 2019 #24
Excellent analysis of what his likability really is! I knew it wasn't shallow. EI, a great attribute emmaverybo Sep 2019 #25
Yes agree great analysis... thx for posting!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #27
To be honest, I think all of the democratic candidates are whipping rump's butt when 1 on 1...nt SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #5
Do we believe Republican operatives and insiders now? N/t TCJ70 Sep 2019 #8
We believe those who observe, analyze and report on their words and behavior. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #13
Well Jennifer Rubin gets posted here regularly Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #17
This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #20
Correct. K&R nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #9
Interesting...When have republicans admitted to being afraid of anything? Perseus Sep 2019 #14
using your logic.... quickesst Sep 2019 #28
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Sep 2019 #15
Biden hasn't been demonized for the last 20 years customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #16
Likable/affable candidates do very well in recent American politics andym Sep 2019 #18
Biden is no Bill Clinton crazytown Sep 2019 #19
Likability is a thing peggysue2 Sep 2019 #21
Well said onetexan Sep 2019 #31
They can read the polls just like the rest of us DrToast Sep 2019 #22
some feel he will crash and burn HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #23
Really, Joe and Mika speak for Democrats? saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #26
Joe is open to work down the aisle and find common ground, just like Barack Obama. Gothmog Sep 2019 #29
Joe is the best candidate Gothmog Sep 2019 #30
 

Thekaspervote

(32,765 posts)
1. Of course they do!! Thx for posting
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:20 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,468 posts)
2. He contrasts positively when measured against Trump.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019

That said, I don't see him as a change candidate, someone more likely to get back to the Obama status quo. He has got to select Harris or Warren as his running mate and I see the ticket kicking ass down ballot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
7. Hell, Richard Nixon would contrast positively when measured against Trump. n/t
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:37 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,249 posts)
10. that's just meaningless phrases. Obama changed things for the better
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:43 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,147 posts)
3. Being likable was the only thing George W Bush had going for him.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019

And no, I am not comparing Biden or any of our candidates to George Bush but he won two elections because people liked him more than Gore or Kerry. Being likable is an asset in politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

5starlib

(191 posts)
6. Yes, and it drove us (liberals) crazy that Bush was likeable
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:30 PM
Sep 2019

to a large percentage of the population. But it's true, he was elected twice cause people liked him and Kerry and Gore were perceived as stiff and cold, though they were both whip smart with great policy plans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
4. They like him! Which is what rivals' supporters really hate. They don't feel he has earned it. They
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:26 PM
Sep 2019

also know you can’t become likable no matter how brilliant you are or how worthy your policies.
They know voters forgive what maybe they shouldn’t because, well, they like him.

But here’s the thing. Joe is likable and he won’t raise taxes. It’s a BFD.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,249 posts)
11. if he does what Obama did. he will raise taxes on the wealthy
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:46 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
12. Well, he says he will right off roll back the Republican tax giveaway. Yes, I should have said he
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:48 PM
Sep 2019

won’t raise taxes on the middle/working class.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
24. Right on the mark, emmaverybo
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:29 PM
Sep 2019

What Biden possesses naturally is referred to as 'emotional intelligence.' People like this can read other people; they can empathize and frequently offer themselves up as a helper. They're also very good at listening to others and rarely rush to passing judgments because they're skilled at seeing the world through the other's eyes.

There's a whole list of EI qualities out there, qualities you could easily apply to Joe Biden which place him high in the likability factor. And we're seeing that reflected in the polls and how ongoing criticisms and smears have had little impact.

It's a good thing to be likable when you're expected to lead 330 million people. Which in my mind sounds like . . . common sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
25. Excellent analysis of what his likability really is! I knew it wasn't shallow. EI, a great attribute
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 04:32 PM
Sep 2019

for a leader. Thanks for enlightening us, peggysue2.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,765 posts)
27. Yes agree great analysis... thx for posting!!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:40 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,118 posts)
5. To be honest, I think all of the democratic candidates are whipping rump's butt when 1 on 1...nt
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:26 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. Do we believe Republican operatives and insiders now? N/t
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:38 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. We believe those who observe, analyze and report on their words and behavior.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:50 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
17. Well Jennifer Rubin gets posted here regularly
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:37 PM
Sep 2019

Here’s what her former ombudsman said about her

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/city-desk/blog/13067559/ombo-sauce-advice-for-jeff-bezos-from-the-posts-former-in-house-critic


The Ugly Jennifer Rubin. Have Fred Hiatt, your editorial page editor—who I like, admire, and respect—fire opinion blogger Jennifer Rubin. Not because she’s conservative, but because she’s just plain bad. She doesn’t travel within a hundred miles of Post standards. She parrots and peddles every silly right-wing theory to come down the pike in transparent attempts to get Web hits. Her analysis of the conservative movement, which is a worthwhile and important beat that the Post should treat more seriously on its national pages, is shallow and predictable. Her columns, at best, are political pornography; they get a quick but sure rise out of the right, but you feel bad afterward.

And she is often wrong, and rarely acknowledges it. She was oh-so-wrong about Mitt Romney, week after week writing embarrassing flattery about his 2012 campaign, calling almost every move he made brilliant, and guaranteeing that he would trounce Barack Obama. When he lost, the next day she savaged him and his campaign with treachery, saying he was the worst candidate with the worst staff, ever. She was wrong about the Norway shootings being acts of al-Qaida. She was wrong about Chuck Hagel being an anti-Semite. And does she apologize? Nope.

Rubin was the No. 1 source of complaint mail about any single Post staffer while I was ombudsman, and I’m leaving out the organized email campaigns against her by leftie groups like Media Matters. Thinking conservatives didn’t like her, thinking moderates didn’t like her, government workers who knew her arguments to be unfair didn’t like her. Dump her like a dull tome on the Amazon Bargain Books page.

Patrick B. Pexton was the ombudsman of the Washington Post until March 2013. He blogs at PBPexton.com. Illustration by Jandos Rothstein

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. This is troubling for Bernie.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:40 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
14. Interesting...When have republicans admitted to being afraid of anything?
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:56 PM
Sep 2019

Hmm...sounds like they are trying to get Biden as the nominee...Doesn't anyone find this strange that republicans went out of their way to say "they fear Biden"?

I don't know, it is very strange.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
28. using your logic....
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:17 PM
Sep 2019

....it seems the GOP is having a rough time making up their minds about who they fear, and about who they want to run.

Does anyone find it strange but they went out of their way to say " We Fear Warren"?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/10/18/why-republicans-are-so-afraid-of-elizabeth-warren/
( headline)
"Why Republicans are so afraid of Elizabeth Warren"


Does anyone find it strange that they went out of their way to say " We Fear Kamala Harris"?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/gop-insiders-fear-kamala-harris
( headline)
“She’s Dangerous”: GOP Insiders Fear Kamala Could Be the Next Obama

You see where I'm going with this, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,201 posts)
15. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 07:04 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
16. Biden hasn't been demonized for the last 20 years
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:33 PM
Sep 2019

like Hillary was. They've only got a bit more than a year to do that, but they're willing to let some of the other Democratic candidates do it for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

andym

(5,443 posts)
18. Likable/affable candidates do very well in recent American politics
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:29 PM
Sep 2019

On the GOP side, Reagan was a Teflon-coated President because he was so affable. I think Joe Biden will be too, perhaps he will end the Reagan conservative economics era that has gone on for about 30 years.

If Joe gets the nomination and he think he may (though I support Elizabeth Warren), I hope he picks a progressive as his running mate (perhaps even Elizabeth, if she's willing), because that is the way that Joe can capture some of the excitement on the Left, and because it will help push his policies leftwards.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
19. Biden is no Bill Clinton
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:03 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
21. Likability is a thing
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:08 PM
Sep 2019

Particularly in the minds of voters who respond to candidates with a personal, emotional appeal. It works in politics and elsewhere because it's linked to transparency, genuineness and understanding the other person. In this case voters.

Bill Clinton was a master at this, the I-feel-your-pain meister. Republicans may have scoffed but Clinton's supporters loved it and were willing to defend his less than admirable qualities because he was likable as well as competent in the role of governance. GW with his goofy missteps and verbal miscues as well as a ragged competency record was considered likable, the guy you'd most want to have a beer with. That folksy, twangy delivery made him beloved by his supporters up until the War in Iraq disaster and the economy nearly going over the cliff.

And so it goes. And yes, this is Biden's 'ace' because he is perceived as being likable by a whole slew of voters. The personal and emotional come naturally because that's who and what the man is. His heart is pinned right on the sleeve. Definitely a plus!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
22. They can read the polls just like the rest of us
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:13 PM
Sep 2019

And they’re right that Biden will be hard to tear down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
23. some feel he will crash and burn
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:19 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
26. Really, Joe and Mika speak for Democrats?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 04:45 PM
Sep 2019

All our candidates are "likeable". imo

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,201 posts)
29. Joe is open to work down the aisle and find common ground, just like Barack Obama.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:56 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,201 posts)
30. Joe is the best candidate
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:35 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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