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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,111 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:07 PM Sep 2019

Sanders backers: Campaign plagued by dissension and disorganization

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Some of Bernie Sanders’ fiercest supporters are sounding the alarm that the campaign is bogged down by disorganization, personality clashes, and poor communication between state operations and national headquarters.

After a pair of setbacks this week — the acrimonious shakeup of his staff in New Hampshire on Sunday and loss of the Working Families Party's endorsement to Elizabeth Warren a day later — Sanders’ allies and former aides are worried that recent disappointments are not one-off stumbles but rather emblematic of larger problems in his bid for the White House. The concerns are particularly acute in New Hampshire.

“Seeing the campaign not be able to outshine Warren with WFP progressives doesn’t have me questioning WFP’s process,” said Rafael Shimunov, a former national creative director for WFP and 2016 Sanders volunteer. “It has me questioning where the Bernie campaign could have done better, because I want to make sure the strongest candidate unmasks Biden and unseats Trump.”

The worries come as the campaign enters a critical, more urgent phase. After Labor Day, more voters typically tune into the election and begin to make up their minds. Expectations for Sanders are sky-high, especially in New Hampshire, where he defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016 by 22 percentage points.

But Warren has jumped in the national polls to tie Sanders for second place, and Joe Biden has proven harder to knock off his first-place perch than his rivals expected.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-backers-campaign-plagued-by-dissension-and-disorganization/ar-AAHrmkq?li=BBnb7Kz

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Sanders backers: Campaign plagued by dissension and disorganization (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2019 OP
He chose poorly for his campaign leadership. yardwork Sep 2019 #1
Very Me. Sep 2019 #2
If Nothing Else, Sanders Is An Excellent Judge Of Character corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #4
This. Tipperary Sep 2019 #5
That was my first thought.. right Cha Sep 2019 #19
Rafael Shimunov's Worries Don't Sway Me One Bit corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #3
Did the internal communications" mention anything about NH team shakeup? lapucelle Sep 2019 #7
What You Call "Shakeup", I Call "Rationalizing Human Resources" corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #8
... lapucelle Sep 2019 #10
More Of The Same - Moot (n/t) corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #11
The assertion that the shakeup is "rationalizing human resources" lapucelle Sep 2019 #13
If We Hadn't Seen MONTHS Of Media Bias And Blackouts, I Might Be Swayed corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #14
The NYT and The Concord Monitor are reporting accurate news stories. lapucelle Sep 2019 #15
Unfortunately, you fail fail to support your premise with any objective data. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #20
"unmasks Biden" betsuni Sep 2019 #6
... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #9
he spends so much time going after others for not being good enough JI7 Sep 2019 #12
And how convenient to blame lack of accomplishments on shadowy establishment elites betsuni Sep 2019 #17
lol@ ".. shadowy establishment elites.. " Cha Sep 2019 #18
So basically a repeat of 2016 relayerbob Sep 2019 #16
Is it ironic that the request not to leak is being leaked? Gothmog Sep 2019 #21
No surprise. Overloaded with the kind who don't play well Hortensis Sep 2019 #22
Vox - Bernie Sanders is the Democrats' real 2020 frontrunner (2017) TomCADem Sep 2019 #23
... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #24
. George II Sep 2019 #25
sanders loses a key field director Gothmog Sep 2019 #26
 

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
1. He chose poorly for his campaign leadership.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:17 PM
Sep 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Very
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:20 PM
Sep 2019

Nina, Sirota, that communications woman

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corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
4. If Nothing Else, Sanders Is An Excellent Judge Of Character
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:22 PM
Sep 2019

He doesn't allow people into his inner circle he doesn't trust. I love Nina. So does Bernie. If he loves her, that's good enough for me.

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
5. This.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:24 PM
Sep 2019

I think Biden could use some changes too.

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Cha

(295,925 posts)
19. That was my first thought.. right
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 12:51 AM
Sep 2019

at the very top of the campaign staff.

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corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
3. Rafael Shimunov's Worries Don't Sway Me One Bit
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:20 PM
Sep 2019

The 2016 endorsement of Bernie by WFP barely moved the needle. Should he have worked harder to pursue the 2020 endorsement? I say no. At the local, state and congressional level, WFP is a powerhouse which continues to garner my full respect. As for nominating a presidential candidate, WFP amounted to a nothingburger last time. I doubt 2020 will differ in the slightest.

Every few weeks, some story hits the wires about disarray at Sanders HQ. Whenever I watch the official communications, I see the opposite. I see a well oiled machine firing on all cylinders.

To Bernie supporters, I reply, "Don't fret, organize!"

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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
7. Did the internal communications" mention anything about NH team shakeup?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:38 PM
Sep 2019
On Sunday, it was Jackson [the new BS NH campaign director] who announced to a meeting of the steering committee that he was replacing Caiazzo as state director. The response by the more than 40 people attending was positive.

Several longtime Sanders backers told the Monitor they were pleased changes were “finally” made and were pleased that Jackson was replacing Caiazzo

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The shakeup of leadership in New Hampshire came a day after the campaign parted ways with senior New Hampshire adviser Kurt Ehrenberg.

From the very beginning there was clear and fundamental disagreement between Mr. Caiazzo and myself on how to run a successful presidential primary campaign in New Hampshire,” Ehrenberg said on Sunday.

https://www.concordmonitor.com/bernie-s-new-team-28572352
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corbettkroehler

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8. What You Call "Shakeup", I Call "Rationalizing Human Resources"
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:46 PM
Sep 2019

It's a documented fact that ALL presidential campaigns adjust staffing assignments. Yes, all! Anyone clutching pearls over this is a worry wort.

Believe what you will but I know it's much ado about nothing. Besides, fighter jets have no rear-view mirrors.

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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
10. ...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:54 PM
Sep 2019
Sanders campaign wracked by dissension

A staff shakeup and loss of an endorsement to Elizabeth Warren has allies warning of deeper problems.

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN and TRENT SPINER
09/17/2019 02:29 PM EDT
Updated 09/17/2019 03:30 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/17/bernie-sanders-campaign-dissension-1500287

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corbettkroehler

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11. More Of The Same - Moot (n/t)
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:01 PM
Sep 2019
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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
13. The assertion that the shakeup is "rationalizing human resources"
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

might best be described as moot.

The fact that there has been a shakeup in the BS campaign is not a moot point. It is a fact.

moot
1. subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty.

2. having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.

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shakeup
a radical reorganization.

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Bernie Sanders Campaign Shakes Up New Hampshire Operation

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire.html
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corbettkroehler

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14. If We Hadn't Seen MONTHS Of Media Bias And Blackouts, I Might Be Swayed
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:16 PM
Sep 2019

Just as the thaw in the imbalance of coverage begins, the pendulum swings in the wrong direction.

This is my final post on the matter. It is clear that we won't see eye to eye.

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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
15. The NYT and The Concord Monitor are reporting accurate news stories.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:25 PM
Sep 2019

Journalisticly, that is the right direction.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. Unfortunately, you fail fail to support your premise with any objective data.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 02:42 PM
Sep 2019

Bumper stickers ain't data, fortune cookies ain't analysis, and measured observations ain't clutching pearls... despite you believing "what you will"

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betsuni

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6. "unmasks Biden"
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

I'm looking forward to next week's "Bern Notice" after Biden attends a swanky "elite fundraiser" in Hollywood. The hosts are the CEO of an investment management firm, an advisor to Comcast, and the founding director of UCLA Hispanic Neuropsychiatric Center of Excellence. Obviously this means Biden is in the pocket of Wall Street and the corporate media conglomerate, but what exciting conspiracy theory will Sirota dream up about how Biden is corrupted by the Neuropsychiatric Center of Excellence? Can't wait for moar unmasking!

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JI7

(89,182 posts)
12. he spends so much time going after others for not being good enough
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:06 PM
Sep 2019

but he has no accomplishments of his own.

and we are to believe he can successfully change the healthcare system for the better.

he didn't even support it when the democratic governor of his state tried to do it. now they have a Republican governor.

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betsuni

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17. And how convenient to blame lack of accomplishments on shadowy establishment elites
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:42 PM
Sep 2019

who do everything in their power to stop you.

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Cha

(295,925 posts)
18. lol@ ".. shadowy establishment elites.. "
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 12:49 AM
Sep 2019
.. who are known to be routinely munching on canapes' and the like.
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relayerbob

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16. So basically a repeat of 2016
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:35 PM
Sep 2019

That's why I changed my support then, after way too much money and energy spent. Way too many egos, way too little listening

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Gothmog

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21. Is it ironic that the request not to leak is being leaked?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:14 AM
Sep 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. No surprise. Overloaded with the kind who don't play well
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:07 PM
Sep 2019

with others. They've been "plagued" with troubles all along, and of course they're acting out over Sanders' declines.

Btw, anyone who's ever read about radical-leaning groups knows they tend to eventually self destruct. Those differences with the left's mainstream that they always insist are insurmountable have their counterparts of insurmountable micro differences quarreled over within the groups. That's why in spite of their passionate conviction of superiority there's no national, far left political party; it's not that they haven't been formed, it's that they've always imploded.

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TomCADem

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23. Vox - Bernie Sanders is the Democrats' real 2020 frontrunner (2017)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:48 PM
Sep 2019

Bernie got a free pass in 2016, since Hillary was reluctant to take him on, since she was the front runner, and the media was doing its best to sell a horse race. This time around, Bernie was considered the front runner, but he lost his momentum when people grew tired of his angry 24/7 routine. Unlike 2016, Bernie was considered the main front runner, but he squandered this advantage.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/5/15802616/bernie-sanders-2020

Amid a swirl of speculation about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, and practically everyone else under the sun as potential Democratic presidential contenders, most of the political class is ignoring the elephant in the room. Bernie Sanders is, by some measures the most popular politician in America, by far Democrats’ most in-demand public speaker, and the most prolific grassroots fundraiser in American history.

If he were 10 or 20 years younger, his absence from a 2020 cattle call held by the Center for American Progress back in May would have been glaring. As things stood, the whisper among everyone in the halls was simply that he’s too old and obviously won’t run.

But make no mistake: Sanders is the real 2020 Democratic frontrunner.

He’s doing exactly what a candidate who fell short needs to do to run a second time. He’s established a national political organization, he’s improved his ties with colleagues on Capitol Hill, he’s maintained a heavy presence in national media, and he’s traveling the country talking about issues.
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Gothmog

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26. sanders loses a key field director
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:08 PM
Sep 2019
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