Is the Biden Bubble About to Burst?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

Is the Biden Bubble About to Burst?

https://newrepublic.com/article/154835/biden-bubble-burst

But that lead may be illusory. There’s a growing sense that Biden is something of a starter nominee, a candidate that voters can glom onto while they search for someone who better suits their values. “I did not meet one Biden voter who was in any way, shape or form excited about voting for Biden,” Patrick Murray, who heads the Monmouth University Polling Institute (which recently released a poll giving Biden a significant lead in Iowa) told The New York Times. “They feel that they have to vote for Joe Biden as the centrist candidate, to keep somebody from the left who they feel is unelectable from getting the nomination.” JoAnn Hardy, who heads the Cerro Gordo County Democrats, concurred, telling the Times, “He’s doing OK, but I think a lot of his initial strength was name recognition. As the voters get to meet the other candidates, he may be surpassed soon. I would not be surprised.”

[HerbChestnut]

1. Remember Jeb(!) in 2015? It's just a matter of time...

[Drunken Irishman]

8. lol what a silly comparison.

Jeb Bush only led nationally from May to July - losing his lead the second Trump entered the race.

Biden has led nationally in every single poll since he announced back in April.

I keep hearing, 'it's a matter of time' and he's now been running for president for four months and his lead has been remarkably stable. So...

[HerbChestnut]

12. Hillary maintained a national lead even after Obama won Iowa in 2008.

First votes aren't cast for another 5 months. Don't get me wrong, I like Biden as a person. He's a great guy. I just don't support him on policy.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Your original point was to suggest his collapse was coming by pointing to Jeb.

I don't care if you like Biden or not - that point was silly. Biden has an extensively solid lead both nationally and in Iowa. Hillary led nationally but was much weaker in Iowa in 2008. And even then, Hillary still nearly won the nomination in 2008.

[HerbChestnut]

23. Obviously, no two elections are the same.

The parallels I was referring to are the fact that both Jeb(!) and Biden are well-known front runners with established political acumen that don't have much enthusiasm surrounding their campaigns. We'll see what ends up happening, but I suspect Biden won't be the nominee in the end.

[Drunken Irishman]

40. Jeb barely was a front-runner.

There just isn't any realistic parallel to make your point, which is why it's silly. Biden has literally led in every single national poll going back to the beginning of the year. There were multiple polls in 2016 where Jeb was not leading. In fact, from January 1st, to July 9th, out of 24 national polls, Bush led in only 10. Biden has led in literally every national poll going back to January.

The comparison is just not the same. It's a silly comparison. If you don't think Biden will be the nominee, fine, but you should offer more than a very weak comparison as proof of why you believe this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. Same... we've been down this road before.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[HerbChestnut]

86. Yup.

Throwing support behind someone because supposedly they're the candidate most likely to win is a losing strategy. See 2016.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

88. I would like to think we've learned from the past.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[DownriverDem]

30. Hello?

Biden can beat trump. trump does not want to run against Biden. You need to focus. Biden running with a strong, progressive, Dem woman will be a formidable ticket. Please focus on beating trump.

[HerbChestnut]

35. I am focused on beating Trump. That's why I don't support Biden.

Biden does not inspire people to go out and vote for him. He will be entirely dependent on the anti-Trump vote, which is not going to be enough in my opinion. VP's don't matter much during general elections. People need something to vote for, not just something to vote against.

[Thekaspervote]

54. Joe Biden, the boring candidate, that's why he's in the lead. Some insight from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate

[sheshe2]

55. There is that word again "inspire".

Biden does not inspire people

It was used a lot against Hillary.

If you need 'inspiration', look to the man in the WH. The one Putin selected. If that does not get you out to vote for the best candidate, nothing will.

[Thekaspervote]

56. Oh the sanity of your post..don't know if I can take it....snark. Thx for posting

[sheshe2]

64. Hey, Thekaspervote.

[Thekaspervote]

72. Smiles back!

[emmaverybo]

78. He does inspire. It's inspiring he's running when he could go fishing, his call to "the struggle

for the soul of America” inspires, his comments on grief (and great speech to soldiers) through his book, the interview with Anderson have inspired thousands upon thousands—honestly, from his
dynamite launch up to now, he has delivered many inspiring moments.

Depth of character. That’s what it is.

He’s an inspiring character.

[redstateblues]

84. Not true. He inspires me. He's the only one who can win back the rust belt

and avoid another electoral college debacle

[HerbChestnut]

85. He's not the only one.

Bernie polls very well there, and I expect Warren to start picking up support there as well.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Without question!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Horizens]

113. Wishful Thinking

On the part of bernie bots.

bernie flatlined some time ago.

[George II]

33. Jeb Bush wasn't Vice President for eight years, nor was the brother of an ineffective President....

Plus, we're dealing with Democratic voters here, who are a lot more intelligent than republican voters.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. But some folks need to nonstop BASH BASH BASH all Democrats, yet I thought

oh fuck, never mind

Hug your grands and kids, cuz some folks are gonna make sure we lose and our lives will be over soon after that.


ps

if you know a place where BASHING democrats is verboten... ... ...

[emmaverybo]

49. Jeb was a way former governor as compared to Biden who only a few years ago was

a powerful and unusually participatory VP to one of our most popular presidents, Obama.

Unlike Jeb, Biden is also an extremely popular and beloved politician with a resume that far outstrips any of his rivals.

And, of course, Biden’s job-specific qualifications far exceed Jeb’s.

I can’t imagine Jeb ever making as profound and compelling an address as Biden delivered in Iowa
after the El Paso mass murder. Jeb could never touch the heart of the nation in the way that Biden
has on more than one occasion. Just not within his range of vision.

[elleng]

2. Oh SURE!

Biden Slams 'Irrational' Foreign Policy as Trump Departs for G-7
Joe Biden offered a prebuttal to Donald Trump’s statements on economics and foreign policy on Friday before the president was due to leave the country for the Group of Seven meeting, at which point Biden said he’d refrain from critical commentary.

“This week, in the lead-up to the G-7 in France, President Trump has continued his irrational and self-defeating campaign to make America less secure and less respected in the world,” the former vice president said in a statement provided to Bloomberg News.

Biden, who spent decades on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has sought to use his extensive foreign policy experience as a cudgel against Trump and as a distinguishing factor with his many Democratic opponents.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287251314

[HerbChestnut]

4. Bashing Trump is easy.

Distinguishing yourself in a positive way from other Dem primary opponents is much more difficult. Biden has yet to share a debate stage with Warren, and I bet Bernie is chomping at the bit too. This primary is far, far from over.

[George II]

21. Apparently for some bashing Biden is easier.

[HerbChestnut]

24. And bashing Bernie is easiest, right George??

[George II]

28. Who is bashing BS here?

[HerbChestnut]

31. In this thread? No one I can see. On this board? Well...

[Demsrule86]

103. Biden is the front runner like it or not and all this nonsense doesn't change that.

Bernie may be second...not sure.

[at140]

39. Read the polls at DU at the top of this page

That is solid proof Bernie is not popular here.

[bahrbearian]

65. Oh ,so your taking a 15 minute break.

[Uncle Joe]

122. You can't even bring yourself to spell Bernie's name out

and it only has one more letter than Biden.

[George II]

123. Hmph. B I D E N is five, S A N D E R S is seven.

I guess I'd better think about this the next time I fly into JFK Airport or drive over the RFK Bridge.

[Uncle Joe]

124. That is two letters, one shouldn't get a hand cramp.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. LMFAO!! You sure got that right!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Thekaspervote]

53. And rightly so...world leaders were only asking.. pleading with one candidate to run and no it

Isn’t BS or EW

[Kahuna7]

3. Whatever...Look harder...

Link to tweet

[pnwmom]

14. Warren spoke to 700 in Franconia, NH. (Population 1100.)

https://www.wmur.com/article/warren-speaks-to-crowd-of-hundreds-in-franconia/28704327

FRANCONIA, N.H. —
Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren campaigned Wednesday in Franconia as she continues to climb in the New Hampshire polls.

Warren spoke to a crowd of more than 700 voters at a scenic farm in Franconia.

[Kahuna7]

15. That's nice. The subject is Biden.

[pnwmom]

20. Her numbers puts his into context. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. They sure do!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

101. Not really...I remember another primary with huge crowds for the one candidate but

the other candidate still won. And 700 is not that big a crowd. That being said, we shall have to wait and see.

[pnwmom]

111. If 700 wasn't that big for Franconia, then his crowd at Dartmouth wasn't either. nt

[Demsrule86]

115. I assume you mean Biden...but since I don't even know anything about it... I have no comment.

crowds at speeches or rallies are not votes...and don't really matter IMHO. We shall see.

Warren can't win the nomination unless she can get some AA support and thus far she hasn't.

[pnwmom]

116. African American support is split among candidates, with Biden getting

the greatest part, so far. But we haven't had a single primary yet.

And I don't think Biden helped himself today when he told his audience to imagine that Obama had been assassinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/us/politics/black-voters-south-carolina-democrats-primary.html

McCLELLANVILLE, S.C. — Joseph R. Biden Jr. enjoys a sizable advantage with black voters in South Carolina right now, and not just at lunch tables where they discuss candidates over freshly caught shrimp and fried fish. Recent polls have shown him with support from about 50 percent of African-American voters in the state.

It is what elevates Mr. Biden above his 22 Democratic rivals; though he is often portrayed as a champion of the white working class, he is viewed by many black voters as the play-it-safe choice who could best recreate the multiracial Obama coalition.

But many young black voters are drawn to Elizabeth Warren and her plan to cancel student debt, while others prefer Bernie Sanders and his calls for systemic change. Some black women like Kamala Harris’s leadership style and her personal story as a graduate of Howard University. And some black men are sizing up Cory Booker, who employs the cadences of the black church in his stump speech.

The myriad priorities of black voters in South Carolina and across the nation suggests that, Mr. Biden’s current advantage notwithstanding, the pursuit of African-American support in 2020 will be far more competitive than in 2016 and 2008. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama won more than 80 percent of black votes in the South Carolina primary, and were propelled to the nomination in large part because African-Americans in subsequent states mirrored their counterparts here.

Link to tweet

Ryan Saavedra
✔
@RealSaavedra

Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden says while campaigning tonight in New Hampshire: “Imagine if, God forbid, Barack Obama had been assassinated after becoming the de-facto nominee. What would have happened in America?”

[Cha]

25. Some people can't handle anything

good about Joe Biden.

Mahalo for the tweet, Kahuna!

[onetexan]

42. Well said Cha

It does bother some that despite all they say he's still topping the charts. Funny how that happens

[Cha]

26. WhatABout!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

91. Impressive!! Way to go Elizabeth!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

29. And they aren't even giving away free ice cream.

[Autumn]

69. 4000 showed up for Bernie in Sacramento.

Bernie Sanders tells Sacramento rally he won't settle for defeating Donald Trump

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders campaigns at Cesar Chavez Park in Sacramento on Friday, August 22, 2019, as 4,000 supporters fill the park.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/presidential-election/article234294242.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

94. Bernie sure knows how to attract a crowd... but, some here will still find a reason to criticize him

for this impressive turn out.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mtnsnake]

5. Most likely it won't burst until at least mid November

maybe early February at the latest, although there's a chance it could burst even sooner than I'm thinking.

[Drunken Irishman]

11. lol or maybe January, 2029.

[TexasTowelie]

6. No, but keep dreaming. nt

[NYMinute]

7. From the OP

“They feel that they have to vote for Joe Biden as the centrist candidate, to keep somebody from the left who they feel is unelectable from getting the nomination.”

Which means they DO NOT WANT BS or EW.

[Kahuna7]

18. Right. nt

[TexasTowelie]

22. It's appears that some are reaching the point of desperation

since they see that their preferred candidate doesn't have an upward trajectory.

[onetexan]

43. Bingo!

[progressoid]

38. Those Biden voters may not, but a lot of other Iowans do.

Plus Warren has a really strong ground game in IA. Her team is energized.

[Demsrule86]

102. But does she have synergy is she giving it 120% or better...hehe.

[progressoid]

112. Huh?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Demsrule86]

114. It is a joke and a swipe at 'energize' and I would throw in 'enthusiasm' neither of which can be

measured mathematically.

[Thekaspervote]

50. Ya think?? Good point, but hey the article assumes that voters can't be trusted to pick and then

Vote for who they want

[OilemFirchen]

9. LOL!

Nope.

[Mme. Defarge]

10. Non.

[FloridaBlues]

13. Unlikely this will happen.

[Downtown Hound]

16. LOL. Keep saying it enough times. I'm sure it will come true.

[George II]

19. Too funny. Yeah, let's rely on the head of the Cerro Gordo County Democrats!

[Devil Child]

27. I see this narrative being pushed lately

That somehow Biden will lose significant support moving forward. I can't imagine Biden supporters suddenly abandoning him. Biden is the front-runner for many sound reasons IMO. He will mop the floor with Trump.

[at140]

37. Yes, Biden keeps Trump awake at night

I am sure of that.

[Thekaspervote]

46. Indeed... he's the front runner so they pile on

[True Dough]

32. If nothing else

it's great alliteration: Biden Bubble Bursting writes a Hopeful and Hostile Hassin

[George II]

34. Um...

[NurseJackie]

41. Ha!

[sheshe2]

70. I was just going to post that!!!!!

[yaesu]

36. The star is losing its luster. nt

[Thekaspervote]

73. Is that why RCP has his lead... at +12.8 overall and 53% among AA primary voters polled?

https://thegrio.com/2019/08/01/joe-biden-top-choice-black-voters-quinnipiac-poll/

[Cha]

44. Is BS' Bubble About to Burst?

[WheelWalker]

47. You beat me to it, LOL.

[Thekaspervote]

60. Hummm..me too I wonder

[NYMinute]

74. It has burst already

Some of his supporters are duct-taping the pieces and trying to blow in the spout to make it rise again.

[Thekaspervote]

45. Here's why mr. Biden leads and why voters prefer him

“Joe Biden, the boring candidate, that’s why he’s in the lead.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate

[Gothmog]

52. I like boring

Joe is the most electable candidate that we have

[stonecutter357]

48. good let's go Joe !

[jalan48]

51. A year is a long time to run on name recognition.

[Cary]

57. What's the shelf life on "he's the best chance to defeat Orange Hitler?"

I don't see that going out of style.

[jalan48]

59. Yes, a two-pronged campaign strategy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. Never... even when polls show that's no longer the case.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Thekaspervote]

61. He has a lot more than name recognition. EW and BS have great name recognition, so not buying it

[TwilightZone]

81. Warren and Sanders both have nearly 100% name recognition.

The name recognition argument passed its sell-by date some time ago.

[jalan48]

82. Except that's not what they are running on.

[Demsrule86]

96. voters sensibly told the media that they don't think BS nor EW can get elected...they want Trump

gone and Biden is a good guy...

[Thekaspervote]

118. Nor is mr. Biden...as he stated in his announcement "I'm running to restore the soul of the nation."

[elocs]

58. Well, it may not be Biden but it sure as hell won't be Sanders either.

I am undecided now but I will be voting in the Wisconsin primary for somebody who is a proud member of the Democratic Party and not just somebody who uses the party for his run for president...again.

[Thekaspervote]

63. Agree!

[flamingdem]

62. Biden for the win!

Go Joe

[Thekaspervote]

66. FYI: Alex Shepard has written a total of 5 articles with a negative spin on Biden since he announced

Seems a little slanted to me

[Demsrule86]

106. But what does he base this on? Nothing but his desperate hope that Biden won't succeed...

there is no evidence whatsoever to support any of his assertions. If he wrote this in a class I taught, I would give him C-;it is meaningless drivel. You can't even get a good discussion or argument going because what is in this lame article that can be discussed other than Shepard's obvious dislike of Biden...boring.

[Thekaspervote]

119. Oh.. you nailed that one!

[loyalsister]

67. Other than on DU

I know one person among many Democratic friends who is excited about Biden. One. I have talked with a few reluctant supporters. Sanders, Harris, and Warren seem to be getting strong support among those in my area who are rooting for a candidate.

[redstateblues]

83. Funny. Most of the Dems I know

Like Biden because he’s not promising things he can’t deliver. There are a lot more moderates out there that are sticking with Joe. I personally think Joe is the only one who can win back the rust belt. Winning back the rust belt is exciting to me

[Demsrule86]

98. Me too...

[emmaverybo]

99. You know two now. Oh, and world leaders.

Fix the damage, Joe (busterbrown); the world needs you

[randr]

68. It is more like a huge white head

[highplainsdem]

75. LOL! If Biden is the "starter nominee," what does that say about Sanders trailing him for 10 months

now, when they have equal name recognition?

[comradebillyboy]

76. Joe's post announcment bump will go away any day now

[evertonfc]

79. Joe

It's hard to know what's going to happen. Long time. I know in the South, Joe will win and do it quite impressively. He is beloved, especially in the minority community. Now, he's not my first choice but I think people think ( right or wrong) that he is the safe bet. Agian, don't be surprised if one of the 2nd tier canidates makes it interesting as the field narrows.

[WA-03 Democrat]

80. Go Joe Go!!

I am excited and inspired by Joe Biden! He will be a wonderful President. I am sure and confident about Biden. He is the right person at the right time.

I know you love Bernie. That’s cool, maybe you should try to post positive thoughts about Bernard?

[Princetonian]

87. Bubbles will burst when 97% white primary states are no more but it won't be Joe's.

[Demsrule86]

93. Short answer...no and this is nonsense post seriously opinion...the so called media needs help

Biden will in the nomination...he is the one who can beat Trump and has the experience we need.

[Fiendish Thingy]

95. We will know once Biden and Warren finally share the debate stage I think...

After that encounter, Joe will either soar or sink...

[Demsrule86]

100. I don't think debates mean as much as some think they do...and she has so much stuff she is

promising...just don't see. She will be hurting once she need AA votes.

[Thekaspervote]

120. This! Would luv to see a fe prez. Worked hard for Hillary in 08 and 16. Sadly she doesn't have

The AA support

JUST IMHO the AA community will stay home in 2020 as they did in 16. Then we all lose

[Demsrule86]

121. The guys especially...I have had husbands of the AA women who campaigned with me

for Hillary flat out say they won't vote for a woman...AA men-all Democrats! And my daughter's ex (POC) said he heard the same thing.

[EveHammond13]

104. No. Thank you next

[quickesst]

105. no....

..... but I do believe the anti Biden crowd's heads are about to explode holding their breath waiting for it to happen.

[emmaverybo]

117. Nailed.

Fix the damage Joe (busterbrown)
The world needs you.

[Loki Liesmith]

107. Nope

[aka-chmeee]

108. My current favorite drinking game:

I get to slam a Bud Light if I can guess an OP's preferred candidate from the content of the title. Doin' (hic) perdy damned good at it, if I do shay sho mysef (hic).

[aikoaiko]

109. Only if Joe keeps talking.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

110. Bazinga!