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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,767 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:03 PM Aug 2019

Gabbard hits DNC over poll criteria for debates

Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) hit the Democratic National Committee (DNC) over its polling criteria for upcoming primary debates, asking it to "ensure transparency and fairness" in selecting the qualifying surveys.

The campaign noted that Gabbard has exceeded 2 percent support in 26 national and early state polls but said only two of those are on the DNC's "certified" list, even as "many of the uncertified polls, including those conducted by highly reputable organizations such as The Economist and the Boston Globe, are ranked by Real Clear Politics and FiveThirtyEight as more accurate than some DNC 'certified' polls."

"The Gabbard campaign is calling on the DNC to hold true to their promise and make adjustments to the process now to ensure transparency and fairness," the campaign said in a Friday release.

"Crucial decisions on debate qualifications that impact the right of the American people to have the opportunity to participate fully in the Democratic process should not be made in secret by party bosses."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gabbard-hits-dnc-over-poll-criteria-for-debates/ar-AAGeniP?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

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Gabbard hits DNC over poll criteria for debates (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2019 OP
Good luck Tulsi. We need her voice in the debates. roody Aug 2019 #1
Damn right we do roody! Devil Child Aug 2019 #4
I'd like her to repeat the Mueller Report found nothing, let's move on RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #20
The New York Times' top headline said the same thing on the same day. So did all the news outlets. Princetonian Aug 2019 #21
Maybe she should become a headline writer then. RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #22
Gee, that makes sense. Not. Princetonian Aug 2019 #24
I'm rubber and you're glue? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #25
Actually if she got her info from headlines and articles, it does make sense. pangaia Aug 2019 #29
She doesn't answer the questions asked JustAnotherGen Aug 2019 #2
Ever since she complained about the DNC presidential debates. rogue emissary Aug 2019 #19
That's right! Thanks for the reminder.. Cha Aug 2019 #33
It would be unfair to others to change the rules midstream karynnj Aug 2019 #3
It's not unfair to let more polling organizations qualify... thesquanderer Aug 2019 #14
We heard complaints about the debates in 2008 and 2016 as well. StevieM Aug 2019 #5
Tulsi's ceiling might be 2%. Got to narrow down the field comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #6
Here we go again. we can do it Aug 2019 #7
... mcar Aug 2019 #8
Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Echoes of 2016 all over again. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #9
This is part of the setup to become a chaos candidate BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #10
I truly believe that. Her cozy relationship with Russian TV is evidence of that "chaos". nt Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #11
Thankfully she doesn't have the numbers RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #28
Correct. The right backs Gabbard sharedvalues Aug 2019 #30
100% this obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #12
Where I come from we call this whiney butt. yardwork Aug 2019 #13
The list of DNC-approved polls has been public since early this year. W_HAMILTON Aug 2019 #15
We need to narrow the field flamingdem Aug 2019 #16
It May Just Be Me But At This Point I Don't Care to Hear From Candidates Polling Less Than 2%. Indykatie Aug 2019 #17
Toast crazytown Aug 2019 #18
Steyer has said something similar. Bullock and Bennet are kvetching too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #23
My only problem with the rules is capping the single debate qualifying number at 10 BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #26
I agree. Even 10 is too damn many for a so-called debate, but... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #34
the next one should be five percent qazplm135 Aug 2019 #27
Guess her premeditated and preplanned debate attack namahage Aug 2019 #32
"..her premeditated and preplanned debate attack didn't work.." oasis Aug 2019 #36
Bye bye Tulsi! iwannaknow Aug 2019 #35
This paragraph does stand out to me. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #37
 

roody

(10,849 posts)
1. Good luck Tulsi. We need her voice in the debates.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:14 PM
Aug 2019
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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
4. Damn right we do roody!
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019
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RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
20. I'd like her to repeat the Mueller Report found nothing, let's move on
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 08:54 PM
Aug 2019

Somehow that voice doesn't show up on the debate stage.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
21. The New York Times' top headline said the same thing on the same day. So did all the news outlets.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 08:56 PM
Aug 2019
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RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
22. Maybe she should become a headline writer then.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

Instead of a representative who should read more substantial shit instead.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
24. Gee, that makes sense. Not.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:07 PM
Aug 2019
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RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
25. I'm rubber and you're glue?
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:10 PM
Aug 2019

Cool retort, bro.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. Actually if she got her info from headlines and articles, it does make sense.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:49 PM
Aug 2019






If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
2. She doesn't answer the questions asked
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:19 PM
Aug 2019

What would be the point?

The last debate - a moderator asked her about her comments in regards to Harris' on Biden.

Instead of not staying the course - she gave another canned response.

She's not authentic.

Also - doesn't she normally refuse to debate her opponents? Why now?

She's taking time away from folks who have a shot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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rogue emissary

(3,147 posts)
19. Ever since she complained about the DNC presidential debates.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 07:37 PM
Aug 2019

She has refused at least three primary debates with two different opponents for her seat.

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Undecided
 

Cha

(296,893 posts)
33. That's right! Thanks for the reminder..
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:37 PM
Aug 2019

I voted for the last two of her primary opponents she wouldn't debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
3. It would be unfair to others to change the rules midstream
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:27 PM
Aug 2019

The polls included were defined long ago and until she was failing to meet the criteria. One consequence of changing the rules is that that change alone might mean two nights rather than seeing them all together.

What makes more sense might be to admit she might not make the next one, but concentrate on the debate after that which I read has the same criteria, but a longer period to get the polls. Missing one early poll will not play a huge difference in her very low chances.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
14. It's not unfair to let more polling organizations qualify...
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

It can help borderline candidates, but it can't hurt anyone, And it doesn't mean candidates would have done something differently, because candidates can't "strategize" toward doing well in specific polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
5. We heard complaints about the debates in 2008 and 2016 as well.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:33 PM
Aug 2019

But only when HRC was a candidate did we hear a bunch of nonsense about a giant conspiracy or a rigged system.


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comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
6. Tulsi's ceiling might be 2%. Got to narrow down the field
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:55 PM
Aug 2019

sooner or later.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Tarheel_Dem

(31,223 posts)
9. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Echoes of 2016 all over again.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:24 PM
Aug 2019
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primary today, I would vote for:
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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
10. This is part of the setup to become a chaos candidate
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:01 PM
Aug 2019

Which was the plan from the beginning.

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Undecided
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,223 posts)
11. I truly believe that. Her cozy relationship with Russian TV is evidence of that "chaos". nt
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:23 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
28. Thankfully she doesn't have the numbers
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:27 PM
Aug 2019

She'll still take her marching orders though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
30. Correct. The right backs Gabbard
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:56 PM
Aug 2019

Republicans are setting up to encourage her to run as a third party candidate. A third party candidate presence is the main path Trump has to winning.

There are rightwing trolls pushing Tulsi on a variety of sites. Many of them also use Tulsi to bash other strong Dems that the right dislikes, like Harris, Sanders, and Warren.
Also, Putin’s trolls and outlets (RT, Sputnik) push her.

Gabbard grew up in a religious cult, and she hasn’t disavowed them. I don’t want candidates who have blindly followed an authoritarian-type leader before.

It is good for the party Gabbard did not qualify for this debate.
Also note that Daily Kos endorsed her primary challenger.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

 

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
13. Where I come from we call this whiney butt.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:47 PM
Aug 2019

It's not a good look.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
15. The list of DNC-approved polls has been public since early this year.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:46 PM
Aug 2019

This is Gabbard doing her best, once again, to disrupt our party from within.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
16. We need to narrow the field
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:00 PM
Aug 2019

asap

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Indykatie

(3,695 posts)
17. It May Just Be Me But At This Point I Don't Care to Hear From Candidates Polling Less Than 2%.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:06 PM
Aug 2019

I think the polling threshold should have been 3%-5% so we wouldn't still have 15+ candidates after 2 debates. It's unfair to those who have a credible chance at winning the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
23. Steyer has said something similar. Bullock and Bennet are kvetching too.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:02 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
26. My only problem with the rules is capping the single debate qualifying number at 10
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:16 PM
Aug 2019

We really could use one debate at this point. I would move the cap to 12 if 11 or 12 qualify. Other than that, I think Perez has done a good job with this. The field needs to be narrowed down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. I agree. Even 10 is too damn many for a so-called debate, but...
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:57 AM
Aug 2019

...to not have every candidate on the same stage is even more absurd. We'll be less than 5 months away from voting and there have already been 2 debates. We shouldn't still be at a point where we're having to split up the field. 2 of the leading contenders are yet to share a debate stage. Enough already.

If you can't beat out Andrew Yang, perhaps it's time to leave the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
27. the next one should be five percent
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:20 PM
Aug 2019

it's time to trim.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

namahage

(1,157 posts)
32. Guess her premeditated and preplanned debate attack
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:35 PM
Aug 2019

Didn’t work out that well for her.

She took a gamble, and she lost.

Of course, that presupposes that her intent all along was to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

oasis

(49,339 posts)
36. "..her premeditated and preplanned debate attack didn't work.."
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 06:27 PM
Aug 2019

We're only talking about Tulsi, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,300 posts)
37. This paragraph does stand out to me.
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 06:57 PM
Aug 2019


(snip)

The campaign noted that Gabbard has exceeded 2 percent support in 26 national and early state polls but said only two of those are on the DNC's "certified" list, even as "many of the uncertified polls, including those conducted by highly reputable organizations such as The Economist and the Boston Globe, are ranked by Real Clear Politics and FiveThirtyEight as more accurate than some DNC 'certified' polls."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gabbard-hits-dnc-over-poll-criteria-for-debates/ar-AAGeniP?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

(snip)




Thanks for the thread Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin.
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