Nina Turner, a 2020 Bernie campaign chair, refused to support Hillary days before the 2016 election.

[pnwmom]

What does it mean that Bernie allows this from people at the top of his campaign?

How can he have re-hired a woman who didn't care if she helped Trump to win?

I think this should be a deal breaker. If Bernie would hire a campaign co-chair who wouldn't support the Democratic nominee, then we shouldn't support him.

Link to tweet

So Bernie Sanders has selected Nina Turner as one of his campaign co-chairs. Here's Nina Turner days before the 2016 US Presidential election saying she's not backing Hillary Clinton.

[George II]

1. She was seen palling around with Jill Stein at an event the same week as the 2016 Convention!

I'll see if I can find the video that I saw on twitter earlier today.

[okaawhatever]

105. Exactly. Jill Stein is a Russian asset. Her parents are Russian. Most people don't know that because

so much time and effort was spent scrubbing her bio. There is a reason she was seated at a table with Putin and Flynn. We now know Flynn is a traitor. Time for more Americans to realize the same about Jill Stein. She wasn't a useful idiot, she wasn't misrepresented. She was a feature, not a bug.

[Eliot Rosewater]

178. Actually there is a lot of that going around. Russian assets, lots of it.

High profile people who are doing putin's work for him can accomplish so much.

Of course rump is the main one, but there are others.

I mean in some cases even if someone isnt an asset, their ACTIONS and words can have the SAME result as if they were.

[George II]

118. Follow up - I found the video but it's only contained in a tweet....

....but the rest of the tweet isn't postable.

[Bleacher Creature]

2. This speaks both to Sanders' bad judgment and his inability to find someone better.

Fortunately, there will be enough scrutiny on him this time around to give me confidence that he won't last much past the first couple of primaries.

[Adrahil]

206. This isn't bad judgement.

It’s open disdain for our party and Hillary Clinton.

[Bleacher Creature]

209. I can't argue with that at all.

I guess I was trying to be nice, but when Bernie elevates someone who was directly linked to electing Trump, nice doesn't work.

[ehrnst]

225. I have a metaphor for what this choice is, but will refrain from posting it.(nt)

[ehrnst]

226. I think that he chose Turner for reasons that don't have to do with winning the nomination. (nt)

[samnsara]

229. i think youre right...

[ecstatic]

3. Nina became completely unhinged last cycle.

Looks like Bernie is looking to repeat the same cycle in 2020. It's unfortunate.

[Cha]

9. More proof BS is Too Divisive.

Link to tweet

[we can do it]

21. You said it.

[Gothmog]

28. This is horrible

[lapucelle]

36. What does a campaign chairman do?

Are you familiar with their role?

[brooklynite]

164. Broadly: fundraising, endorsement wrangling and public speaking

[lapucelle]

169. Fundraising? Interesting.

[Cha]

39. The stuff of nightmares..

[lapucelle]

34. Never mind last cycle. Have you seen her when she's offered a donut?

[betsuni]

38. "They tried to seduce us with donuts and water"

[lapucelle]

40. Maybe it was fancy mineral water in a glass bottle and French crullers with icing. N/T

[betsuni]

41. ELITISTS!

[Cha]

61. No I haven't.. I wondered

why you posted the "donut" gif?!

[lapucelle]

76. A contemporaneous account of the shocking incident!

Turner, the 49-year-old former Ohio state senator and DNC member herself, led about 60 supporters that day to the DNC offices to deliver petition signatures supporting the “People’s Platform,” a 2018 policy agenda drafted by Our Revolution in response to the one unveiled that week by party leaders in the House and Senate.

When they arrived, she said, barricades blocked the entrance steps and a handful of DNC staffers stood waiting outside. “I was absolutely stunned,” Turner said.

snip==========================================

A spread of donuts and water had also been set up for the Our Revolution party. Turner took particular issue with the donuts and water, which she called “hand-out trinkets."

“They tried to seduce us with donuts and water,” she said. “They’re pompous and arrogant enough to say to the people, 'you’re not good enough to be on our property — and, oh by the way, we’re just gonna hand you donuts and water over the barricade.' That is insulting. Absolutely insulting.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/our-revolution-has-a-problem-with-the-dictatorial-arrogant

[WeekiWater]

126. "They tried to seduce us with donuts and water"

Just gained a little respect for her. I would have grabbed a water and donuts and called it a day. A good day.

[Docreed2003]

151. I mean...

There have been times I would do obscene things for a donut...just sayin

[Cha]

172. omg.. see all the shite I miss!

Knowing ol Nina the way I do.. she was lucky to get donuts and water. Whine on, Nina. they sure as hell didn't need any coffee.



Mahalo, lapucelle!

[jodymarie aimee]

4. love her

always have.

[pnwmom]

5. Did you love it when she refused to support Hillary over Trump? n/t

[lapucelle]

12. Always means always.

always
at all times; invariably

always
at all times; on all occasions

always
every time; on every occasion; without exception

[Cha]

24. Doesn't care.. "always"!

Thanks for the definition.

[Yosemito]

155. Support democrats

It is wrong for a member to say that he/she loved the fact that someone didn’t endorse our candidates.
You can prefer one candidate over the other, but don’t do what you just did.

[lapucelle]

179. What did I do? I think you're confusing me with the Co-Chairperson Senator's fan

whose post I was referencing.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=2260

I always support Democrats.

Always have.
Always will.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, Nina's support of Jill Stein's Fucking LIES are

part of the reason we have trump.

Link to tweet

[lunamagica]

84. Thank you for posting this, Cha. What a despicable woman. She's an enemy of

Democrats and Sanders picks her again?

So much for healing wounds and forgeting the las primaries. Now, every time anyone ask for to support sanders, this video should be the reply.

This shows us how much he is interested in healing woulds and uniting the party...I wish I could say more, but I can't

[Cha]

173. I already have said stated BS is Too

Divisive.. and he brings Nina Turner on board to make sure everybody who's paying attention knows it.

Looks like BS wants to reopen them big time.



Aloha, Luna

[George II]

121. That's the video I referred to earlier. Thanks for posting it. Look at her hugging Jill Stein!!

That "convention" took place the weekend before the Democratic National Convention in July 2016. Hugging Jill Stein days before Stein's Democratic opponent would be nominated.

And "Democrats" love her?

[Cha]

174. You're Welcome, George..

nina doesn't like fierce fighting for our Democracy Dems.. so why would we like her?

[allgood33]

144. This really makes me cry for what might have been vs where we are now. nt

[Cha]

175. I know.. we just have to make

damn sure it doesn't happen again.

[lapucelle]

11. That speaks volumes. N/T

[Cha]

25. Loud and Clear.

[Cane4Dems]

15. good to know

that we have democrats in our party who were ok with a trump victory

[leftynyc]

72. Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary

and encouraged anyone else to do the same is dirt. Period.

[okaawhatever]

104. Absolutely. nt

[m-lekktor]

162. Me too! She's the best! nt

[Cha]

213. Nina was the "best" at helping to get trump Rigged

in by supporting jill stein's Fucking LIES.

[MrsCoffee]

6. He is gonna tank faster than I first thought.

[PupCamo]

171. one can only hope

[Cha]

214. he deserves it.

[Me.]

7. The Question Answers Itself Doesn't It?

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[Cha]

10. It says BS doesn't really care..

Link to tweet

[floppyboo]

158. It shows he does care. The largest group of voters are indie

If you want a big tent - if you want to win - you need someone who can excite the people that feel so disenfranchised that they don't show up to vote. Running to the middle is running right up to the republicans - there is no room there. Its not just left/right. Its the millions that feel their vote doesn't matter - that no political decision will affect their lives.

I think its a great move. Nina sure can get people up on their feet! And if you don't believe that, then you can't possibly believe she got people to reject the Democrats in any meaningful way.

She's working for a Democratic nominee. That should be good news.

Edit - How will you get the Dem-exiters back? You need someone to get them to register. Some reason. Yes, she will be appealing to the people who could see their lives improved by progressive policies - on bothe the left and right. I don't think you have to worry about her getting 3rd way voters to re-register as they most likely didn't leave. Not a judgement call. Just the way the chips landed last time.

Get rid of Trump - by any means - but bonus points if things can improve. With an informed and motivated base.

[floppyboo]

160. Here's a chart of party affiliation trends.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/party-identification-trends-1992-2017/
While there aren't terrific changes, you see the # of independants drop every year there is an election. And even 1 point can mean that much more in enthusiasm to vote.

Keeping the party united is key if you don't want to see the big exits to indie post-election. One interesting anomoly - not a big rush to indie in 2000 through 2003. Gains for the dems. Perhaps chill a bit on the war drum stuff re. Venezuela?

[Cha]

184. Nina Does NOT know the Difference Between

Dems and fucking trump repubs.


She's a poor choice.. she and BS are too divisive.

[floppyboo]

186. on that bill she was referring to, it was a bi-partisan 'no'.

Easy to pick quotes and repeat them out of context if your intent is to be divisive.

[Cha]

187. Nina pumped Jill Stein's Fucking LIES for potus

Link to tweet

She's too Divisive.

[floppyboo]

188. You should check out the documentary I just posted on Sanders and our revolution

It might help to explain the anger. I think I understand yours on a visceral level having seen your posts over the years. I don't have answers on how to fix any of this. I don't know how people move on given their personal lives that I don't have access to.
I hope there is a better resolution all around this time. It is crucial!

[Cha]

189. NO! I'm ANGRY at them.. Nina and her Ilk

had a big hand in getting trump rigged in.

[Demsrule86]

199. I don't like Justice Democrats (take money from Republicans not do I care for

Our Revolution who have stated they will make Democrats crawl for an endorsement but happily endorse Greens and even Republicans. I don't care why they are angry...I am angry that this sort and the Greens cost us 16 and are at it again. Hopefully, we can stop them this time.

[Garrett78]

195. Studies show that the vast majority of "independents" are strong partisans.

Basically, they just like calling themselves "independent," so they can seem above it all.

[floppyboo]

202. interesting. Do you have a link?

I'd love to learn more about the 'independent' voter. I've only researched the hard facts to date. Would be extremely helpful to see further studies.
edit: just found this http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/05/5-facts-about-americas-political-independents/
will continue to google!

[Garrett78]

203. I have more than 1.

The Washington Post has articles on the myth of the independent voter but I've used up my free articles for the month. Anyway, here's a piece from The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/article/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-independent-voters/

Both candidates’ supporters—and Donald Trump—have it mostly wrong. While around four-in-10 voters say they’re independents, very few are actually swing voters. In fact, according to an analysis of voting patterns conducted by Michigan State University political scientist Corwin Smidt, those who identify as independents today are more stable in their support for one or the other party than were “strong partisans” back in the 1970s. According to Dan Hopkins, a professor of government at the University of Pennsylvania, “independents who lean toward the Democrats are less likely to back GOP candidates than are weak Democrats.”

And here's a very thorough analysis from Vox: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/1/22/10814522/independents-voters-facts-myths

[Adrahil]

211. Yeah... no offense, but that's ridiculous.

We are letting the fox in the hen house with this kind of nonsense.

Let me clear... people like can not insult me over and over again and them tell me how they are really good for me.


That is some Grade A bullshit right there.

And your argument is basically just that I have to accept I am terrible person, no better than Republicans. NO FUCKING THANKS. Sanders needs to rescind this appointment. And if he does not, he needs to be asked about it (and his taxes) over and over and over again.

[LongtimeAZDem]

13. Nina Turner: It Is Not Our Job to Fit Into the Democratic Establishment

CM: Will the group be endorsing non-Democrats?

NT: You know what, yes. We are open to it. And for me, I’ve also heard the senator say this lately too: Let’s put the political affiliation to the side.

Nina Turner: It Is Not Our Job to Fit Into the Democratic Establishment

I respectfully submit that this is not a description of someone that "faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith."

[Cha]

23. Got to get that tired old buzzword in there..

"establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment" "establishment"

Newsflash! BS is just as "establishment" as anyone else they're trying to label.

[Honeycombe8]

63. As I've said all along, BS has his own agenda.

It coincides with the Democratic Party in places, and does not in others. The Party really shouldn't let him run under the false premise that he's a Democrat. He's not evil. But he's not a member of the Democratic Party. I'm disappointed in the leadership letting this guy in. Then again, if he has a following among Democrats, maybe leadership feels they have to let him run under the Dem Party banner.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Love her!

[pnwmom]

18. Did you love her refusal to support the Democratic nominee against Donald Trump? n/t

[lunamagica]

88. *Crickets* I think the deafening silence answers your question. I bet that those

who "love her" loved that she supported stain and helped trump get elected, because you know, this time around sanders will be a shoo-in for the nomination, and crush trump in the GE


I can't wait to see him crash and burn...

[Zambero]

95. The company one keeps speaks volumes

Actions always speak louder than words. If Sanders is sincere in his intent to run as a bonafide Democrat this time around, he should be selecting individuals who have demonstrated that they will go on support the party's nominee regardless. In the run-up to the 2016 election, the specter of a Trump presidency was not enough to move Turner. This choice fails the test miserably.

[Cha]

185. Well said, Zambero!

This is only our Lives and our future Generations we're talking about here.

[roody]

103. I love her too. She was not obligated to support Hillary.

[pnwmom]

135. She WAS obligated to support Hillary against Trump.

She took money from the Democratic party when Bernie was running, and she owed the party some loyalty. At least she could have been silent.

Instead, she announced that she wouldn't support Hillary. Anyone who failed to support Hillary helped Trump.

[Demsrule86]

200. Yes she was. As a Democrat she was obligated to vote for the Democratic candidate and not

campaign for a f'ing Green...she helped give us Trump and multiple judges that will limit a progressive agenda for decades. I live in Ohio and voted for her twice. I will never forget nor forgive what she did...and others too.

[Adrahil]

207. Wow. NT

[Cha]

212. No, she evidently felt Obligated to help get

fucking trump rigged in.. by supporting jill stein's FUCKING LIES about Hillary.

[Cha]

26. Yeah, Nina supported Jill Stein's Fucking Lies that

enabled the Russians to get trump rigged in.

Link to tweet

[John Fante]

45. Did you love her choice of Jill Stein for POTUS?

[QC]

57. Did you love her when she made Baby Jesus cry? n/t

[disillusioned73]

87. Me too..

interesting how certain WOC are castigated on here... AOC was relentlessly smeared an nitpicked, Nina was shit on regularly as well as Tulsi and it looks like that tradition will continue..

It's almost as if folks don't like STRONG , PROGRESSIVE women on COLOR to have a voice or their own opinions..

[lunamagica]

91. Are you aware that she supported stain over Hillary?

[disillusioned73]

93. Are you aware that this is a FREE country??

I've stated before that the Stein stuff is nonsense, a distraction from fixing actual problems.. After the way she (Nina) was treated, she has a right to chose whomever she feels like.. & I don't think she ever came out fully disclosed who she was VOTING for.. but, she reserves the right to advocate or NOT advocate for any candidate.. again, free country

[lunamagica]

97. Are you aware this site is called DEMOCRATIC underground? This is a site to support DEMOCRATS

so don't expect any support for people who undermines our candidates, and don't whine about discrimination against WOC here, when Kamala Harris, a DEMOCRAT is currently leading on DEMOCRATIC underground.

[disillusioned73]

99. Nina is a Democrat from Ohio..

and she is FANTASTIC..

[lunamagica]

100. She is a DINO. But it doesn't matter. Today's move by Sanders killed any small posibility

Sanders had of getting the nomination.

Now he has as much chance of winning as...Tulsi.

[disillusioned73]

101. lol..

ok - you do you

[Demsrule86]

153. She is not a Democrat...and has said as much.

[disillusioned73]

156. Ok sparky..

now your the arbiter of who is & isn't.. y'all's desperation is showing...

[brooklynite]

166. According to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections

She and her husband Jeffrey are registered Democrats in Cleveland - Ward 1

[Demsrule86]

198. I live in Ohio and have done much canvassing...there are plenty of Democrats who have

changed their minds but not their registration-they don't bother to vote in primaries. I took my life in my hands calling on some during the Obama elections. She has said she will support Greens and even Republicans and has trashed Democrats at every turn. She is a bad choice and supported Stein during 16. She can call herself a Democrat if she chooses but all that means is she requested a Democratic ballot during the last primary she voted in. She was elected in Ohio. I voted for her in both elections. She lost statewide in the second one. Most Democratic Ohioans dislike her for her role in the 16 election and the constant trashing of our party. Again she can call herself what she chooses. But her presence as Sen. Sander's campaign chair combined with Justice Democrat Waleed Shahid's role as campaign chair has cemented my decision not to vote for Sen. Sanders in a primary.

[Cha]

220. Nah, she voted for jill Fucking Stein's LIES

so she's easily suckered by LIES about Hillary and trump.

[Cha]

221. Stein's LIES helped rig trump in.. so NO

it's called RF by jill stein and nina turner voted for that.

[LongtimeAZDem]

108. Strawman argument attempting to cast criticism as racist

[disillusioned73]

110. When in rome..

I'll repeat, I might make this my sig;

It's almost as if folks don't like STRONG , PROGRESSIVE women on COLOR to have a voice or their own opinions..

[LongtimeAZDem]

113. Like Kamala Harris, currently the highest rated here among those with a preference?

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No, criticism of Turner has nothing to do with her race, religion, gender, ideology, or choice of pizza topping. It has to do with her refusal to support Democratic candidates, and equating them with Republicans.

Your implication is fallacious, unsupported, and shameful.

[disillusioned73]

115. I see what is going on..

not gonna play your games..

I will support who I want to support & you go ahead & support who you wanna support..

[LongtimeAZDem]

116. "I see what is going on"

I will acknowledge the possibility while reserving affirmative belief.

[awesomerwb1]

141. You're funny

Here I thought the leading runner on DU was a strong progressive woman of color: Kamala Harris.

Too funny.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

159. You don't know what a strawman argument is.

[LongtimeAZDem]

161. Perhaps I am in error; which fallacy would you say it is?

The argument is that, because the the person being criticized is black, the criticism is due to a general bias against women of color.

I believe that this is a form of a strawman attack, but it may have another label. How would you classify it?

[George II]

180. This has nothing to do with Turner's race. And was does Cortez have to with this, either?

[Cha]

197. You know damn well this has NOTHING to Do

with it. Nina "castigates" herself with her own words.

Link to tweet

Don't try to deflect.

[Pobeka]

16. I was a BS fan in 2016. Supported HRC 100% after the primaries. This is beyond the pale.

This shows poor judgement. Really poor judgement.

[MustLoveBeagles]

29. Same here on all points

I don't think I'd be able to support him this time around. This is stunningly bad judgement.

[backabby-blue]

17. I don't think Hillary voters should give him our votes. nt

[comradebillyboy]

19. Not too much risk of that happening.

[Cha]

22. lol.. yeah!

I think I only saw one person.. and I was shocked.

[democratisphere]

30. If she were, which she's not, I wouldn't and won't.

[Gothmog]

31. Clinton voters will not vote for sanders

[pnwmom]

35. And yet he somehow thinks he can win. n/t

[progressoid]

44. No double standard there.

[Gothmog]

52. There are a ton of real democrats with long memories who will not forgive or forget sanders conduct

I was at the national convention when sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis as part of a planned stunt. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this stunt and reclined.

[lapucelle]

89. Clinton voters are unlikely to vote for BS in the primaries.

Why is that a double standard?

It's not as if Clinton voters are going to go out and support Jill Stein in the 2020 general.

That would be the BS campaign co-chair Co-Chairperson Senator Nina Turner.

I hope a ballsy journalist asks her,

"When BS loses the primaries again, will you be supporting the Democratic candidate or Jill Stein like you did in 2016?"

[progressoid]

148. Well, I'll be honest,

I didn't obsess about which subordinate did what during the campaign, so I had to do a little googling to understand what this was about:

"When BS loses the primaries again, will you be supporting the Democratic candidate or Jill Stein like you did in 2016?"

Other than twitter rumors, I couldn't find where she said she supported Jill Stein. Maybe you can help me out.
I did find that Stein offered her the running mate position in the green party but she turned it down saying, "I think the party is worth fighting for. I believe that the Democratic Party is worth fighting for."

[lapucelle]

150. The Co-Chairperson-Senator made it clear that she was not supporting the Democratic nominee.

She also pro-actively and pre-emptively announced that she had been offered (and had turned down) the vice president's spot on Putin apologist Jill Stein's ticket.

A surprised Stein told reporters the next day that her team had vetted several candidates.

Humblebragged about the "honor" of being offered a spot on the Stein's ticket ✔️

Angrily denied her support of the Democratic nominee on national TV ✔️

Reluctant to issue a denial concerning the widespread "rumors" that she voted for Stein in her swing state Ohio ✔️

It's time for the Co-Chairperson-Senator© to stop ducking the questions and to set the record straight.

It's a very simple thing to do. Why won't she do it?

[MrsCoffee]

120. Well given that there are Democratic choices as opposed to R or Green,

you are correct. It is NOT a double standard at all.

[Gothmog]

210. sanders success was due to NeverHillary voters

Link to tweet

[LongtimeAZDem]

50. Not in the primaries, no.

[Gothmog]

53. I will support the nominee but I will be working hard to make sure that sanders is not the nominee

I do not care if I have to make maxed out donations to more than one candidate during the primary process.

[LongtimeAZDem]

55. Right there with you

[disillusioned73]

90. Well.. it's not like there isn't a precedent for that..

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQG7eIvIVWBope2b6tq2ifPO3PvxB645677GUOQCoz16Q0j_7Z7

[we can do it]

20. BS proves once again he is too divisive.

[democratisphere]

27. Just one more reason we ended up with drumpf.

Can't be allowed to happen again.

[betsuni]

32. Nina "If there is a Republican or a Libertarian or a Green Party person that believes in

Medicare for all, then that's our kind of person" Turner.

[lapucelle]

33. What exactly does a "campaign chair" do,

besides potentially collect a paycheck?

[WeekiWater]

37. Sanders himself didn't really support Clinton.

He and Turner are on the same page.

[WeekiWater]

42. Turner is what's really wrong with politics.

She started the last primary working for Clinton. She was involved with two Clinton Super PAC’s, gave speeches in support of Clinton, and helped fundraiser for her. She saw a positive career move by going over to the Sanders campaign. She then became the Sanders supporter that even most Sanders supporters can’t stand. A true Trump enabler. She sold out and helped Trump as a career move. Not a bit based in ideology or what was best for the country.

[Docreed2003]

152. Your post bears repeating

Every move Nina Turner made from 2015 to present seems to be based on what benefits her politically. It's the only way her moves make any sense.

[hedda_foil]

43. No one controls another person's vote.

Nina's decision was reprehensible but was entirely her own. It is rwrong, imo, to presume that her misguided vote casts aspersions on Senator Sanders. He was not her puppet master. The constant attempts to smear him are as misguided as was Turner's vote. Bernie isn't my first choice this time around, but if we want the other candidates to be treated gently -- as I do-- this isn't the way to encourage party unity.

[pnwmom]

46. He gave a high profile to someone who went public against Hillary. So that's on him.

Nina Turner had no national profile till Bernie came along.

[hedda_foil]

47. Oh for heaven's sake. Find another hill to die on. (Metaphorically). This is just silly.

[Cha]

66. No it isn't "silly".. and don't you worry

about pnwmom.. she's quite capable of multi-tasking. As are we all.

Link to tweet

[LongtimeAZDem]

48. We gave argued, repeatedly, that Sanders did nothing to stop his followera from supporting Stein

Now, he has named one high-profile Stein supporter to run his campaign.

To state that this does not reflect on him is ludicrous. The BS has really gone beyond the pale.

[namahage]

51. Knowing what Nina had done, he nevertheless elevated her to a position of prominence

in an election that requires Democratic unity.

Part of that would seem to be not to alienate a constituency--in this case, one that beat Sanders in 2016 by nearly 4 million votes--that he will need for victory.

Either he was ignorant of Turner's potential negatives in a Democratic race, or he knew and didn't care. One would have to question if victory is even Sanders's goal with such a move.

[hedda_foil]

54. Ok. I finally found the announcement that he made her a 2020 co-chair. Bonehead move.

If he keeps doing this kind of thing his support will diminish to the point that you won't need to worry about it.

[Power 2 the People]

58. +1

Well said.

[Honeycombe8]

64. Yes, it does. Since he specifically chose her to head his 2020 campaign. Tho she helped Trump win.

If she didn't support Clinton, then she helped Trump win. That is who BS chose to head his 2020 campaign. Says a lot about where BS's head is.

[Cha]

67. It goes to Judgment.

[George II]

122. Correct, he's not her puppet master, but he hires her as his co-chair AFTER that?

[NurseJackie]

49. She's awful.

[Cha]

69. She is that and more..

[VarryOn]

56. An analogy on BS and the Democratic Party...

I grew up in southern Arkansas. Every elected county official and area state legislator was a Democrat. My family was friends with a couple of them who had been politicians for years. They were some of the most conservative people you could ever meet. Anytime you heard many of the others speak, it was the same way. Most were pretty conservative. But, to win elections around there, you had to run as a Democrat.

My grandfather, a Baptist deacon who I once heard say that Huckabee was too liberal, was on the county Democratic committee. No way he'd ever be a Republican!

BS is no more a Democrat than the aforementioned politicians or my grandfather.while I dont think BS will win the nomination, he certainly has no chance without a "D" by his name. And I guess the powers that be are OK letting him have a shot.

It's the darndest thing...oh well.

[The Genealogist]

81. My grandmother reminds me of the conservative Democrats you mention

She was for some of the Democratic Party's economic positions. However, most of her social positions would make people like Roy Moore raise an eyebrow. I think she was mostly a Democrat because she had been raised to be one, and didn't have a cluepay as to what the parties stood for.

[VarryOn]

132. Even though he was so politically repug at times...

I loved that man to death, and would do just about anything to get an hour with him. Miss him so.

I just didn’t talk politics with him.

[AlexSFCA]

59. BS was the biggest beneficiary of trump'a win

Had Hilary won, his movement would be over.

[Cha]

65. Oh yeah.. and BS was out there

on cnn after the "rigging" in of trump calling the Democratic Party "elite" and saying how he was "humiliated"

[honest.abe]

60. What slim chance he had to win this thing...

has now been completely erased.

Really stupid decision to hire her.

[Honeycombe8]

62. Ouch. That's not good. And she wasn't nice about it. Ouch. nt

[Cha]

68. Here's Nina in 2017 disingenouly saying there's no difference

between Democrats and repubs..

[betsuni]

70. Wait. She doesn't know wolves can kill humans, foxes run away?

Guess she's never read Jack London stories.

[Cha]

71. I guess Not!

Thank You for clarifying the Difference between Wolves and Foxes, betsuni.

This was in 2017 when our Dems were out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our very Lives.. and getting knocked down every which way.. but the patriots persisted!

The Country sure knew the Difference between Dems and repubs when there were 45 red House seats Flipped to BLUE in the BLUE WAVE Midterms of 2018. Giving our Nation a better chance to get out of Russia's Fascist Grip on us.

And, we still have so much more to go.

Jeeze.. pay attention Nina!

[NurseJackie]

74. She will bring her own style of Stein-loving and Stein-voting toxicity to the campaign.

She's absolutely dreadful.

[Cha]

170. Yes, BS made sure of that.

[honest.abe]

73. So what if Bernie loses, which is very likely, and Nina gets pissed off again?

Is she going to go on national news and bash our nominee and advocate for Jill Stein?

I think we are getting setup for 2016 redux.

[NurseJackie]

75. That's a good prediction. I cannot think of anything else as likely. She's a horrible choice...

... and she'll be inserting her Stein-loving and Stein-voting toxicity into everything she touches. Vanity and arrogance like that belongs on the runway, not in national politics when so much is at stake.

[honest.abe]

82. Yeah, it makes me ill just thinking it could happen again.

I do know what we can do to stop it.

[LongtimeAZDem]

86. It won't happen, but the DNC should reject him. Yes, it would be bad, but it will only get worse

the longer it goes on.

[lunamagica]

96. Exactly. This decision by Sanders to bring her into his campaign is puzzling, unless

his intention is to damage the Democratic Party in 2020

[Amimnoch]

78. I think he's in it only to spoil.. just like last time.

I also believe the articles that can't be posted here regarding him being every bit as tied to Russia as Rumpus.


Never BS.

[NurseJackie]

92. Many people share those feelings. You're not alone.

Those similarities have been noted many times before, complete with documented examples.

[lunamagica]

98. I agree with you. This move SCREAMS spoiler

[seaglass]

79. Has she resigned from Our Revolution? Haven't seen any news about that. n/t

[lapucelle]

80. Will Madame Co-Chairperson Senator Nina Turner have access to any DNC data? N/T

[George II]

123. The campaigns have access to their own data on the DNC server. Let's hope by now they've...

...upgraded their security so campaigns can't unscrupulously tap into other campaigns' data.

[lapucelle]

124. Remember this guy?

I wonder if he'll be tapped again as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/18/sanders-campaign-disciplined-for-breaching-clinton-data/?_r=0

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/upshot/sanders-vs-party-why-voter-data-can-be-so-important.html

[George II]

125. They pooh poohed the breach, saying they were just in the database for "a few minutes"....

but in fact they had FOUR people accessing the data at the same time. The total time in the database for all four was 276 minutes. That's more than 4-1/2 HOURS!

They accessed data for these 15 states (and created folders and saved data elsewhere):

Alabama
Arizona
Texas
New Hampshire
Hawaii
Ohio
South Carolina
Iowa
Colorado
Arkansas
Florida
Virginia
Utah
Tennessee
Oklahoma

[lapucelle]

128. Does Wikileaks have the data? Did Wikileaks steal it from the breachers

who were altruistically testing to see the extent of the information that could be illegally accessed and exploited so that they could better warn the DNC about the problem they innocently stumbled upon?

[LongtimeAZDem]

83. Based on links already posted, Turner would not be allowed to post on DU

Do not post support for Republicans or independent/third-party "spoiler" candidates. Do not state that you are not going to vote, or that you will write-in a candidate that is not on the ballot, or that you intend to vote for any candidate other than the official Democratic nominee in any general election where a Democrat is on the ballot. Do not post anything that smears Democrats generally, or that is intended to dissuade people from supporting the Democratic Party or its candidates. Don't argue there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

She has done at least those things, and there may be much more.

[Amimnoch]

94. Very well spotted! Should be its own post.

Funny how so many things that BS has said, or that she's said would be hidden on this very board, yet garner protection because they falsely wear the very label they are oft to critique?

NEVER BS!

#ADBB (Any Democrat but Bernie or Bust)

[George II]

140. See my post #133.

[LongtimeAZDem]

145. Which thread?

[George II]

146. Sorry, I meant #133. Corrected.

[LongtimeAZDem]

147. Yep; I linked to that particular article in post #13.

[disillusioned73]

85. I love this lady..

[Cha]

218. nina doesn't even know the difference between Dems

and fucking fascist trump Assholes.

she would be banned from DU for espousing her stupid "both sides" crap.. and pumping for Jill Stein's Fucking LIES.

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

106. She's as toxic as that Stein-loving/Stein-voting idiot: Susan Fucking Sarandon.

[NurseJackie]

107. People are known by the company they keep and the decisions they make...

People are known by the company they keep and the decisions they make, and in this case, nothing about this story portrays anyone is a positive or flattering light. In fact, it confirms much of what I've been hearing for a very long time. And, for obvious reasons, I won't go into details... so I'll just leave it at that for now.

[George II]

111. Excerpts from a recent interview with Jacobin Magazine:

If the only concern is that a Democrat wins over a Republican, without concern for what the core values are of the person who’s running under the Democratic banner, then people will get more of the same. They won’t get change.

We can use California as an example. In California, Democrats control every statewide office, they control the legislature — yet we can’t get Medicare for All passed. The nurses [union is] pushing to get this passed, along with other groups, but we can’t get it passed. That’s not a state controlled by Republicans, it’s a state that’s controlled by Democrats.

Or let’s take New York. In terms of voter access and voter rights, one of the worst states for voter rights in the country. Controlled by Democrats, but we can’t even get the legislature and the Governor and others to move policy that will create an environment where all voters matter.

[NurseJackie]

119. When it comes to the frequent bashing of Democrats and smearing the Democratic party...

... I can see the compatibility between the two.

[Paladin]

112. Nina Turner helped put trump in office.

I have nothing but disdain for her, and nothing but contempt for Bernie's second spoiler campaign. Same for any of their supporters.

[NurseJackie]

114. It's almost like Bernie is completely unaware of her Stein-loving, Stein-voting toxicity.

Or maybe he IS aware and just doesn't care. I'd find it difficult to believe (and would be disappointed if it's true) that he thinks her Stein-voting Anti-Hillary Pro-Trump rhetoric actually benefits his campaign.

Turner is a complete mess. She's a political trainwreck.

[George II]

117. I just posted this (#111) as you were posting your message:

Excerpts from a recent interview with Jacobin Magazine:

If the only concern is that a Democrat wins over a Republican, without concern for what the core values are of the person who’s running under the Democratic banner, then people will get more of the same. They won’t get change.

We can use California as an example. In California, Democrats control every statewide office, they control the legislature — yet we can’t get Medicare for All passed. The nurses [union is] pushing to get this passed, along with other groups, but we can’t get it passed. That’s not a state controlled by Republicans, it’s a state that’s controlled by Democrats.

Or let’s take New York. In terms of voter access and voter rights, one of the worst states for voter rights in the country. Controlled by Democrats, but we can’t even get the legislature and the Governor and others to move policy that will create an environment where all voters matter.

She seems to thrive on bashing Democrats, she's been doing it for years. And I don't know what New York she's looking at, but if she said that she's woefully misinformed.

[lunamagica]

129. how could he be unaware?

[NurseJackie]

131. I know.

In this case it really makes no sense to give an undeserved benefit of the doubt.

[jodymarie aimee]

130. we are in the minority here

German !! I really adore her...she speaks truth to power...those are the folks I admire...like I said before.. at times a loud minority decides to hate someone and they demand we all hate the target, too...So democratic, ain't it? And adult !!

[pnwmom]

133. Sounds like the loud minority that hated Hillary. You'd know about that, right? n/t

[jodymarie aimee]

139. I have better things to do than to fight with somebody

I do not know on a social media site...we are having our DEM All County Convention this weekend...a 2 day affair...we are to get snow, then rain and ice, then 12 more inches of snow on top of that...I am preparing handouts, making pot salad...and maybe driving folks...

You have your fun fighting, tho !!

[BannonsLiver]

163. Didn't you once tell me Avenatti would have made a better President than Obama?

Because he was “a fighter”.

[jodymarie aimee]

165. I most certainly did NOT

you are getting off the wall now kiddo....Avenatti is nuts..I adore Obama...

[BannonsLiver]

167. Sorry must have been someone else.

[Cha]

194. We're Vetting Candidates.. everyone gets Vetted

.. No Exceptions. It's too fucking important.

[George II]

137. Here are a few comment by her in an interview with The Nation when she became President...

....of Our Revolution...

About fitting in with the DNC, DSCC, DCCC

I don’t think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. It’s their job to fit in with us.

And what about the Democratic Party at large. Do you see Our Revolution working to bring some unity to factions in the party?

No. Not really.

Will the group be endorsing non-Democrats?

You know what, yes. We are open to it. And for me, I’ve also heard the senator say this lately too

[Cha]

193. NO.. Nina Turner Does NOT "speak truth to power"..

In fact she's full of it.. Nina promoted Jill Stein's Fucking LIES and she doesn't know the damn difference between a patriotic Dem and a Damn fucking repub.

Link to tweet

And, BS brought this Divisive person on board to co-chair.

[pnwmom]

134. Did you love her for refusing to support Hillary against Trump in the general? n/t

[helpisontheway]

136. Despise her...Hope news outlets do not give her air time to spread her ba. Nt

[allgood33]

142. Not only did a lot of BS and Nina supporters fall for much of the Russian hack-gate, many would not

support our Democratic candidate in the national election. Breaks my heart to know they are back at their same games for 2020. All I know to do is to fight that much harder for our candidates not of their ilk. We have so many excellent candidates to choose from. Why would we choose a candidate that has said in the past they don't like us and really believe there is no difference between us and the GOP?

Most of our candidates have earner their Democratic stripes claiming to be true Democrats and wearing the battle scars well. Sire there is always room for improvement and more boldness on some fronts. Not supporting HRC last time around was a real deal-breaker for me. They earned my disrespect.

[lark]

149. Further proof Bernie really isn't the guy for us.

Just shows that he's lying when he says he will support the Democratic party, but switches back from Democrat the first second we didn't chose him as our rep in the general. All he truly seems to care about is his own ego.

[Yosemito]

154. His Democratic opponents should use that against him

In the debates.
This means that Nina turner helped Donald Trump become president. I don’t think Democratic voters will take that well.

[Blue_Tires]

157. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12872002

[Trumpocalypse]

168. It is Sanders way of

giving the finger to the entire Democratic party.

[Cha]

176. Yep.. once again.

[Garrett78]

205. I think it's his way of acknowledging that he knows he can't win the nomination.

He sees himself as an agent of change, not a viable candidate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

177. What does it mean?

me me me, call on me, I KNOW I KNOW

[melman]

181. Okay

Why don't you tell us what it means.

[NurseJackie]

182. Disgusting. I have nothing but contempt for any Stein voter.

She's no exception.

[MrsCoffee]

183. She is a train wreck.

She fought to keep a personal consultant on who made anti immigration pro trump comments after the election. She wanted to make her chief of staff. The board wasn't having it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/23/our-revolution-sanders-turner-figaro-605876

The Bernie Sanders-inspired Our Revolution has cut ties with group president Nina Turner's personal consultant, following a public airing of anger from board members and staff over past anti-immigrant and pro-Donald Trump comments.

Last Friday, Turner told POLITICO she was "really surprised" to hear the group’s board of directors had complaints about Our Revolution. Earlier this month, however, board members blocked Turner from promoting Figaro to be the group's chief of staff. They had compromised then by allowing Figaro to stay on for a few months as a consultant.

"I do have purview over staffing, and that’s just it," Turner said on Friday.

But Turner's decision to retain Figaro had led to ongoing complaints, in public and private, that she was betraying the values of the progressive organization.

I saw the woman (Tezlyn Figaro) on Fox news and wish I could say I was shocked when I saw them list her as a former Bernie Sanders staffer.

[Cha]

190. Mahalo for this, MrsCoffee..

I will pass it on when needed.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/23/our-revolution-sanders-turner-figaro-605876

The Bernie Sanders-inspired Our Revolution has cut ties with group president Nina Turner's personal consultant, following a public airing of anger from board members and staff over past anti-immigrant and pro-Donald Trump comments.

Last Friday, Turner told POLITICO she was "really surprised" to hear the group’s board of directors had complaints about Our Revolution. Earlier this month, however, board members blocked Turner from promoting Figaro to be the group's chief of staff. They had compromised then by allowing Figaro to stay on for a few months as a consultant.

"I do have purview over staffing, and that’s just it," Turner said on Friday.

But Turner's decision to retain Figaro had led to ongoing complaints, in public and private, that she was betraying the values of the progressive organization.

[MrsCoffee]

191. Hey there Cha.

I really have no tolerance for Jill Stein and Trump supporters this time around.

[Cha]

192. I had no tolerence for stein and trump fans the last time

around so I'm more than double intolerant!

[Demsrule86]

201. Hello Cha! I hve no use for any of them either. And since Nina is from Ohio and I voted for her

Nina Turner supported Stein in 16 and folks like her cost us the election in my opinion. I am particularly angry and disappointed in her. She supported the greens and Stein over Hillary and basically said she wouldn't support Sherrod Brown even though he is progressive because he supported Hillary...he would have 'earn' his place at the grass roots level. People like her...Our Revolution and Justice Democrats don't work for the good of the party or even the country and will cost us elections if we are not on guard...look at the Feinstein video which was doctored. In my opinion, folks like Turner and Sarandon cost us 16 and now we have a judges that will kneecap a progressive agenda for decades...one these folks claim to support. All I can say is talk is cheap.

[Cha]

208. Well said, Demsrule! I didn't

that Nina wouldn't support Sherrod Brown because of that.. but it sounds like her.

[Garrett78]

196. ***First question to Sanders at the first debate in June:

Why is one of your campaign co-chairs someone who didn't back the Democratic Party nominee in the 2016 election?

[oasis]

215. Is Bernie all out for Bernie? Maybe. Is Nina all out for Nina?

Most certainly.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Nina ditched Hillary's organization to join Bernie. After Bernie went down, Nina not only refused to support Hillary, but went work on boosting Jill Stein's numbers. Not a team player when we needed her most.

Now we all have Trump to deal with.

[Garrett78]

216. Consider this: someone who would be banned from DU is a co-chair of the Sanders campaign.

[Cha]

217. Exactly. And, it's no wonder

so many here have only animosity for Nina Turner.

[Gothmog]

219. Turner introduced sanders yesterday

Link to tweet

?s=20

[ehrnst]

222. She invoked MLK when talking about the FBI's raid on Michael Cohen, "going too far."

It wasn’t the most enthusiastic defense of Cohen, but worth pointing out since Turner is a Democrat and a Bernie Sanders ally. Host Jake Tapper asked her about what she thought about the FBI’s raid on Cohen last Monday. She said it concerned her a “little” and it remained to be seen if there were any abuses, but, she added, “certainly, throughout the history of this country, especially where it comes to African-American folks, I mean, Black Panthers, Dr. King, Malcolm X, and other civil rights freedom fighters. You can see that sometimes the government can go too far in its effort and be skewed one way.”

Again, it wasn’t exactly a defense of Cohen, but for Turner, that was beside the point.

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/americans-should-be-concerned-about-cohen-fbi-raid-going-too-far-says-fmr-dem-lawmaker/

[ehrnst]

224. She also called DNC and Dem leaders "dictators" & falsely said that the DNC wouldn't work with them

“Dictatorial.” “Arrogant.” “Pompous.” “Superficial.” “Tone-deaf.” “Tone-dead.” “Out of line.” “Insulting” — “absolutely insulting.”

Turner rejected the idea that a new DNC fight would stir up old feelings of division and mistrust. “I want to flip that on its head," she responded. “Why won’t the Democratic Party partner with the progressive left — i.e. Our Revolution?” (Our Revolution has been invited to meetings with progressive groups at the DNC, the last one in July, according to a DNC official, and “they haven’t showed up." The official also noted that Our Revolution and the DNC worked together earlier this year on the party's "unity"-themed tour, headlined by Sanders and Perez.)

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/our-revolution-has-a-problem-with-the-dictatorial-arrogant

[Mike Nelson]

227. I don't get ths at all...

… hopefully, when the first changes in campaign leadership are made, someone reflecting Bernie's message of unity will be promoted into this position.

[samnsara]

228. there goes Bernie's Indivisible Pledge...

[pnwmom]

231. That didn't take long. nt

[Gothmog]

230. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump