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Cha

(295,929 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:02 PM Jul 2019

NateSilver:So a supercharged public option (e.g. Biden) is way more popular than a Sanders-style..







Joe Biden is in Good Company!

Biden proposes massive new Obamacare subsidies, public option in health care plan

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287201979

Biden is in Good Company!




Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

Despite a large division in the Democratic party over the best health care solution ― single-payer or a continuation and possible expansion of something like Obamacare ― progressives in Congress appear to be in lockstep with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s priority of shoring up the ACA before tackling anything like Medicare for All.

“I’m happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that we’re seeing, particularly as it’s under assault by the president,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. “I think it’s part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top

Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden

Here's Beto..


Then there's BS's opposition..

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top





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NateSilver:So a supercharged public option (e.g. Biden) is way more popular than a Sanders-style.. (Original Post) Cha Jul 2019 OP
That's the way to go, Biden has it right. It's interesting that even Chris Hayes.... George II Jul 2019 #1
Yes, Biden has the Best Plan no Cha Jul 2019 #3
Most people I talk with.. want the medicare or medicaid option for those who Peacetrain Jul 2019 #2
And, it looks strongly like it's Cha Jul 2019 #4
i think we've already tried this approach. Strengthening the ACA and an option is my Kurt V. Jul 2019 #5
If those demanding M4A prevail, we'll be sitting here 20 years from now debating same damn thing. nt Hoyt Jul 2019 #6
I'll have to pass the torch by then. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #13
Agree onetexan Jul 2019 #16
I agree with Biden. brer cat Jul 2019 #7
Thank You, brer cat! Cha Jul 2019 #8
No Kidding wiley Jul 2019 #9
I agree Rebl2 Jul 2019 #10
Thankfully, Biden's Plan with an Option Cha Jul 2019 #22
Thanks Cha. I hope every one who has a good plan can keep it and that everyone not emmaverybo Jul 2019 #11
Thank You, emmaverybo! Cha Jul 2019 #15
Great information, thank you. :) BootinUp Jul 2019 #12
You're Welcome, Bootinup! Cha Jul 2019 #23
Yup! peggysue2 Jul 2019 #14
It seems like such Cha Jul 2019 #31
Shoring up the ACA with a public option Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #17
Thank You, Vegas! Cha Jul 2019 #41
Biden healthcare plan is the "game changer". nt oasis Jul 2019 #18
Joe has the winning stratety NYMinute Jul 2019 #19
by... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #20
Biden Was Smart DallasNE Jul 2019 #21
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2019 #24
Thank you! Cha Jul 2019 #37
I'm cool with JB's plan Bigredhunk Jul 2019 #25
This is all crap if I MUST buy my employer-based crappy coverage AllyCat Jul 2019 #26
The worst employer-based coverage is still better than Medicare Recursion Jul 2019 #27
I'd take that. Currently pay $500/mo AllyCat Jul 2019 #33
So this would be a $300 higher premium and you'd have no out of pocket maximum Recursion Jul 2019 #34
This IS a health savings account. AllyCat Jul 2019 #35
K&R! Thanks, Cha! highplainsdem Jul 2019 #28
Thank You, Highplainsdem! Cha Jul 2019 #29
New slogan! aidbo Jul 2019 #30
That's so clever of you Cha Jul 2019 #32
I guess that'll be the anti-Biden mantra. Our Revolution's Nina oasis Jul 2019 #43
I hope so, oasis.. Cha Jul 2019 #44
I'm not at all surprised. JB's ideas make much better sense than the BS proposal. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #36
I really like the Biden health care plan Gothmog Jul 2019 #38
Thanks, Goth! Cha Jul 2019 #39
Joe knows flamingdem Jul 2019 #40
K&R Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #42
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. That's the way to go, Biden has it right. It's interesting that even Chris Hayes....
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jul 2019

....one of BS' biggest advocates on MSNBC, seems to turn on him with respect to this issue.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
3. Yes, Biden has the Best Plan no
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jul 2019

matter how many times BS tries to smear him with "sounding like trump".



Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=204945

Wasn't BS heralded as the "First one to sign the Unity Pledge!!!!"

2020 Candidates Begin Signing Unity Pledge, With Sanders Taking the Lead

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128793259

Thank You, George!
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Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
2. Most people I talk with.. want the medicare or medicaid option for those who
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jul 2019

do not have insurance... along with keeping their private insurance..

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
4. And, it looks strongly like it's
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jul 2019

not just people we talk to about it, Peacetrain!

"Biden's Health Plan is popular with 70%"

Thank You!

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
5. i think we've already tried this approach. Strengthening the ACA and an option is my
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jul 2019

preferred choice but has not overcome the reality of plutocrat rule.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. If those demanding M4A prevail, we'll be sitting here 20 years from now debating same damn thing. nt
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jul 2019
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BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
13. I'll have to pass the torch by then. Nt
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:43 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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brer cat

(24,402 posts)
7. I agree with Biden.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jul 2019

Thanks for this thread, Cha.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
8. Thank You, brer cat!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jul 2019

So happy that 70% agree, too.. right now.. may that hold steady and strong!

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wiley

(2,921 posts)
9. No Kidding
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:58 PM
Jul 2019

Excellent news! Now if we could only get the rest of the Party off the self destruct mode of Medicare for All!

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Rebl2

(13,311 posts)
10. I agree
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jul 2019

with you!

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
22. Thankfully, Biden's Plan with an Option
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:25 AM
Jul 2019

is at 70%.. and may that get stronger.'

Mahalo, wiley!

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. Thanks Cha. I hope every one who has a good plan can keep it and that everyone not
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:35 PM
Jul 2019

covered can get a good plan. Biden has strong healthcare, education, and crime answers. And he is
not making promises that can’t be kept, which so often politicians do.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
15. Thank You, emmaverybo!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:12 PM
Jul 2019

And, it's looking like 70% of those polled agree with us.

Biden's popular Health Plan gives People Options and who doesn't like Options?

And yes, Biden's Plans on Education and Criminal Justice are just as brilliant.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210217

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BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
12. Great information, thank you. :)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:42 PM
Jul 2019
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
23. You're Welcome, Bootinup!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 04:27 AM
Jul 2019

Thank You!

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
14. Yup!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jul 2019

Biden's plan is unsurprisingly popular because the ACA is now a familiar program and its expansion will offer choice. It's also the most pragmatic avenue to expand healthcare access while striving towards the ultimate goal of universal healthcare. Subsequently, even the progressives in Congress are on board with shoring up what we have and making improvements before deep-diving into the Medicare4All waters.

With all hands on deck, we can do this!

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
31. It seems like such
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jul 2019

a "no brainer" as they say.. but, of course, there's always those who think it isn't perfect enough.. ".. so let's do away with it.. start over with no options!".

Thanks PeggySue for stating it so eloquently!

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
17. Shoring up the ACA with a public option
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jul 2019

is the ONLY way to go.

MFA is political suicide. The only reason some are pushing it is to wipe out Obama's legacy and replace it with their own.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
41. Thank You, Vegas!
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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oasis

(49,152 posts)
18. Biden healthcare plan is the "game changer". nt
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
19. Joe has the winning stratety
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:52 PM
Jul 2019

MFA is not the way to go at all -- it will cost us the Whitehouse, the Senate AND the House. There will be 7 conservative judges on the SCOTUS and we'll be doomed for generations.

btw -- Biden's plan is also Beto's plan.

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myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
20. by...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:17 PM
Jul 2019

...keeping the health insurance cabal in the loop aren't we keeping the enemy of universal healthcare alive and prosperous?...to do battle with us and universal healthcare at every future opportunity?

...wouldn't the buying and negotiating power of an universal MFA program significantly lower the cost of drugs and healthcare nationwide like no other program would?

...and where's the inspiring 2020 voter excitement generated by just more tinkering around the edges of healthcare?...yawn


" Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All "

...not this Progressive nor most of the Progressives I know...

...we support universal healthcare not more universal profit care...we can put a man on the moon, record every electronic message on the planet but we can't produce a universal healthcare system like every other normal country...

...face it, the 1% doesn't want a universal healthcare program anymore than they want a secure election ballot...

...just too inconvenient for minority rule...

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DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
21. Biden Was Smart
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jul 2019

It looks like he had a Frank Luntz type of focus group to test what language for reform polls the best.

Obama's Medicaid expansion provision was partially shot down by the Supreme Court so all plans have to consider what could get past the Supreme Court.

Medicare for all looks like it would for sure. It would resemble what other western democracies do and they pay roughly half of what we do for health care, it gets rid of networks and has many other advantages. But it would be the most highly disruptive choice and the people get that and so they push back. So it may be necessary to go incremental in order to have the buy-in.

Indeed, it seems to me that with a buy-in plan we would soon see that the government run plan would be the best value because the profit margin is stripped out and over time more and more people would opt into the government plan so private insurance would dry up. This is what has happened with ACA. Here in Nebraska there is only one health insurance company with plans available and all providers must be in network or there is no coverage - the same as not being insured. So you are constantly having to change doctors and hospitals as the networks change. I've had to drop my dentist of 40 years because of this.

The other candidate need to focus group test their plans too as it seems like Biden's plan isn't that much different. It seems like Medicare for all but with an option to buy private insurance instead which makes it a whole lot less disruptive.

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Bigredhunk

(1,346 posts)
25. I'm cool with JB's plan
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:24 AM
Jul 2019

The most important thing is that we keep moving forward. We're never going back to pre-ACA!

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AllyCat

(16,039 posts)
26. This is all crap if I MUST buy my employer-based crappy coverage
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:49 AM
Jul 2019

Everyone should be given the opportunity to buy into Medicare. Everyone.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. The worst employer-based coverage is still better than Medicare
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:05 AM
Jul 2019

Medicare has an $800 premium, a $1000 deductible, a 20% copay after that, and zero out of pocket maximum.

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AllyCat

(16,039 posts)
33. I'd take that. Currently pay $500/mo
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jul 2019

And employer pays the remaining 80%. I have a $5k deductible. Oh, I work for a health care conglomerate and have a union. I’d like to try the public option. Thanks.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
34. So this would be a $300 higher premium and you'd have no out of pocket maximum
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jul 2019

You'd be better off putting that $300/mo in a health savings account

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AllyCat

(16,039 posts)
35. This IS a health savings account.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:06 AM
Jul 2019

I’ve learned how health care systems, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance racketeers jack up rates on services and needed care. It’s a joke. I’m just saying, give us working stiffs the choice. And that remaining 80% my employer pays could be wages, help for the poor, and adequate staffing.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
29. Thank You, Highplainsdem!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:12 AM
Jul 2019
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
32. That's so clever of you
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jul 2019

to post that on a positive Biden thread and Kicking it in the Process.

Keep it up.

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
43. I guess that'll be the anti-Biden mantra. Our Revolution's Nina
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jul 2019

Turner had a " no fundamental change" script she recited earlier on CNN's pre debate marathon. The same old "establishment Democrats are in cahoots w/ Wall Street" bull.

Not to worry, I believe Delaney and Hickenlooper will be an adequate tag team to take on Bernie's pie-in-the-sky proposals tonight.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
44. I hope so, oasis..
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jul 2019

he deserves it.

Hope Warren has some enlightenment for BS, too.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. I'm not at all surprised. JB's ideas make much better sense than the BS proposal.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jul 2019
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
38. I really like the Biden health care plan
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jul 2019
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
39. Thanks, Goth!
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
40. Joe knows
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jul 2019

That's why he's muy popular!

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