Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden campaigns as Obamacare's top defender
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"Joe Biden is taking an aggressive approach to defending Obamacare, challenging not just President Trump but also some of his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination who want to replace the current insurance system with a fully government-run model.
The former vice president will spend much of the coming week talking about his approach to health care, including remarks hell deliver on Monday in Iowa at a presidential forum sponsored by AARP. His almost singular focus on the 2010 health care law has been on display recently during campaign stops in the early voting states.
In Iowa, he declared himself against any Republican (and) any Democrat who wants to scrap Obamacare. Later in New Hampshire, he said we should not be scrapping Obamacare, we should be building on it, a reference to his approach to add a government insurance plan known as the public option to existing exchanges that sell private insurance.
Biden is hoping his positioning as Obamacares chief defender could be helpful on several fronts. Its a reminder of his close work alongside President Barack Obama, who remains popular among Democratic voters. And it could reinforce his pitch as a sensible centrist promising to rise above between the strident cacophony of Trump and Democrats including Sens. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, all single-payer advocates."
https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/joe-biden-campaigns-as-obamacares-top-defender/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(12,994 posts)since healthcare is the #1 issue for seniors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Tolerable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)I have more to say on this.. but right now I have to go catch a bus..
Mahalo, Scurrilous!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)albeit with the Obama/Democrat label replaced with their own.
It was and is a BIG F-ING DEAL!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)With all their sniping and attacking and ... what were some of those other words? Oh yeah, chiding and hitting back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And he'll never have to walk it back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Lucky for Joe the others haven't figured that out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)good friends and his association with much-missed Obama a great electoral asset, he was closely involved in many of that administration's actions and it's his record as well. To run ON.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Meanwhile Kamala, Liz and Bernie have some explaining to do about that question at the debate . . .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at Biden but definitely wondered how it'd play for them overall.
One thing, if Biden is elected he will turn out to be Obama's biggest legacy and one Trump couldn't erase.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)She said America is "not ready" for a single payer system. I took this to mean that in actual practice she would institute a public option as President, with an eventual transition to single payer because she expects that the public option would work better.
We'll see if I'm right. The question is sure to come up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,182 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)implemented quickly within the existing system. It's a way to ease into the universal coverage issue and as indicated in the fuller article will force insurance companies to compete with the government plan, thereby lowering costs to healthcare consumers. Bringing down those costs is a first step in making universal care a reality. This was one of the lessons learned by Governor Shumlin and his team--the cost of medical care (and pharmaceuticals) need to be reined in before a vast expansion is practical, that is without raising taxes to backbreaking levels.
We can do this!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All
Im happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that were seeing, particularly as its under assault by the president, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. I think its part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top
Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden
Here's Beto..
Link to tweet
Mahalo!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that would have an interesting effect on the ACA's benefit to him, but I suspect it would be an amplifying one because people across the spectrum would be angry.
Biden would of course immediately commit to replacing it with whatever change got around the conservative justices' excuse for getting rid of it. And no doubt he'd use the opportunity to include the public option the Republicans blocked in 2010, along with other expansions that would already be in place if the 2016 disaster hadn't happened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)unconstitutional...but if they did ...the fix would be to bring back the penalty for not having insurance combined with good affordable coverage...we start with the ACA and eventually, we end up with universal coverage of some sort. Starting over is madness in my view.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I suspect most of the candidates promoting their own versions of MfA are mainly just using its zeitgeist to give their campaigns a lift and differentiate from Biden. Plus they know leaving the Obamacare name behind would undercut the hostile passions of many on both the right and a few on the left who really want healthcare but have been lead to reject the Obama admin's.
The anti-tax wealthy are much more knowledgeable and realistic now about how to destroy than they were when the ACA was passed. Repeal and replace would give the them new opportunity to destroy. At very least and until, they would use the passing of a whole new bill to block inclusion of important provisions and implant weaknesses they could attack in courts. The transition would also destabilize the entire healthcare system, creating many other breaches to attack through.
But the anti-tax wealthy are only one, or at most two, more justices away from having SCOTUS rule that all big federal programs are unconstitutional. The constitutional authority of the federal government to create Social Security and Medicare itself, and all the others, is on shaky ground, a return to pre- New Deal interpretation away from being eliminated. And these people are extremists.
An appellate court will probably rule any day now that the individual mandate in the ACA is unconstitutional because a previous court ruled it's not a tax but reject the core argument that the entire ACA is thus invalid. Then they'll appeal its failure to destroy entirely to SCOTUS. It's an outrageously legally invalid argument, but the TX judge who ruled it didn't care. By arrival, could they have put another of their political agents on the court? Meanwhile, attempts to kill by thousands of cuts from all directions continue.
But, hey, let's spin the wheel again and see what we get.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)states and districts...you would think they would not so blatantly try to destroy the only insurance that millions of their voters have....it will be a big issue IMHO. Great reply and quite true. Greetings from occupied Ohio.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sticking to Pennsylvania and West Virginia, to mark OH's recent fetal heartbeat bill, but home's Georgia and we couldn't skip that.
Scary that virtually all Repubs in national government, and most in red states, have thrown their futures so completely in with the anti-tax/anti-regulation plutocrats they helped create. They must serve their wishes, which they've mostly adopted as their own, and somehow also must win no matter how badly they're betraying the people, by whatever means. Our illegal governor, Brian Kemp, has shown them just how blatantly they can steal government and get away with it, once they have their corrupt laws in place.
Go, Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)I'm not sure you could come up with a rationale that would conclude that MFA is unconstitutional, but that medicare for some (what we have today) is not. (At least if they actually model MFA on the current system, which I know is a debatable point as well.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)depending on how the court decides, it may be difficult to resurrect. On the other hand, expanding Medicare to include everyone and raising the payroll tax to fund it would have no constitutional problem. No need to ban insurance companies, they won't be able to compete.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)need to ban any employer-offered insurance that couldn't compete. We can have a good national healthcare system without stripping the rights of the people.
No matter what route we might take, though, the Republicans absolutely intend to destroy it, along with all other federal and state taxpayer-funded programs that the very wealthy don't need and don't want to pay into. They don't need valid legal arguments if they've stacked a court with their political agents. We will only be able to put an end to their corruption of government to serve them and their attacks on the will of the people by breaking their power.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)It looks like Biden might when the primary on this ONE ISSUE !! The other candidates aren't even try trying to hedge on this.
Public Option is relatively popular with republicans and even more popular with democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,549 posts)Expand on the ACA, as was intended, add a public option and continue to transition from there.
This is a winning proposal on a winning issue for we Democrat's.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,549 posts)Joe's having a good week so far, Cha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)rallies After all those who try to take him.. don't.
:candel:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Former President Obama on Friday called "Medicare for all" a "good" idea during a speech in Illinois where he launched his midterm campaign efforts for Democrats.
"Democrats aren't just running on good, old ideas like a higher minimum wage. They're running on good, new ideas like Medicare for all," Obama said.
The idea has gained momentum in the party following the insurgent presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in 2016.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/405597-obama-calls-medicare-for-all-a-good-idea
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Not all good ideas can be implemented.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Obama wants more than we will offer.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,926 posts)is right.
Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)She was confronted with her obvious flip flop and her response was embarrassing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)was an advocate for MFA. What a hack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)"embarrassing".. strongly standing up for what she believed.
It wasn't at all.
Thank you, oasis!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)You're welcome, Cha
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)this and wanted to get the point across.. while it seemed Burnett was trying to Gotcha and Symone was having NONE of it.
Not even a little bit.
Aloha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)slipping her the obvious gotcha MFA question, then went on to lay out Biden's exceedingly better plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
How is it a 'gotcha' to show someone saying two conflicting things and ask them to explain? Hint: it's not.
And I didn't say she was embarrassed. I said her answer was embarrassing. And it was.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,152 posts)scolded the CNN hack for slipping in her past advocacy for the MFA plan. Symone moved on and is now promoting Biden's much better healthcare proposal.
Hell yeah it was "gotcha". If you were a Ford Escort salesman 2 years ago, but now you work for Mercedes, how many folks would accuse you of flip flopping?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)On Up in the World.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)We won the house by winning moderate districts that long for Normalcy in the system, not radical change from the American status quo. Certainly not with plans like Medicare for all.
This has been an impressive run for Joe. His foreign policy speech, followed by his winning message on healthcare topped off with this honest and brutal assessment of the Republican Base just today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Thanks, Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)try to put that in Biden's "gaffe" column. lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden