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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:15 PM Jul 2019

Joe Biden campaigns as Obamacare's top defender

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"Joe Biden is taking an aggressive approach to defending Obamacare, challenging not just President Trump but also some of his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination who want to replace the current insurance system with a fully government-run model.

The former vice president will spend much of the coming week talking about his approach to health care, including remarks he’ll deliver on Monday in Iowa at a presidential forum sponsored by AARP. His almost singular focus on the 2010 health care law has been on display recently during campaign stops in the early voting states.

In Iowa, he declared himself “against any Republican (and) any Democrat who wants to scrap” Obamacare. Later in New Hampshire, he said “we should not be scrapping Obamacare, we should be building on it,” a reference to his approach to add a government insurance plan known as the public option to existing exchanges that sell private insurance.

Biden is hoping his positioning as Obamacare’s chief defender could be helpful on several fronts. It’s a reminder of his close work alongside President Barack Obama, who remains popular among Democratic voters. And it could reinforce his pitch as a sensible centrist promising to rise above between the strident cacophony of Trump and Democrats including Sens. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, all single-payer advocates."

https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/joe-biden-campaigns-as-obamacares-top-defender/

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Joe Biden campaigns as Obamacare's top defender (Original Post) Scurrilous Jul 2019 OP
Great stand to take, the anti-trump... beachbum bob Jul 2019 #1
heck yea. One thing's for sure: the majority of the 38 million AARP members will be voting for Joe onetexan Jul 2019 #30
Attack attack attack, no longer is the why can't we get along attitude is beachbum bob Jul 2019 #34
Yes! It's the right thing to do..! Cha Jul 2019 #2
... Scurrilous Jul 2019 #3
As well he should. Remember, that was a "BIG F-ING DEAL!" George II Jul 2019 #4
:) Yes!!! Even Repubs and the far left want it, Hortensis Jul 2019 #14
Both the left and the right are working to make that a liability. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #5
That is probably our single most winning issue. ucrdem Jul 2019 #6
It's a great position to stake out. Scurrilous Jul 2019 #7
There is one fatal error that would sink him: running away from Barack. ucrdem Jul 2019 #8
:) He won't be doing that for sure! Even if they weren't Hortensis Jul 2019 #15
Best strategy ever. ucrdem Jul 2019 #17
Definitely. And Booker. I took it mostly as a sideswipe Hortensis Jul 2019 #18
Based in something Warren said in a rally, she back off from Medicare 4 All. marylandblue Jul 2019 #19
They were good friends in fact or so I heard quite often.. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #22
if he wins this will be one of the biggest reasons JI7 Jul 2019 #9
This is the lane Biden has chosen, one that can be . . . peggysue2 Jul 2019 #10
... Scurrilous Jul 2019 #11
Biden knows ACA is a BFD! Cha Jul 2019 #12
Thanks! Scurrilous Jul 2019 #13
If SCOTUS found Obamacare unconstitutional before the election, Hortensis Jul 2019 #16
MFA would no doubt be found unconstitutional as well ...I do not believe SCOTUS will find it Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #24
Agree starting over would be very foolish. Hortensis Jul 2019 #25
The GOP lost the midterms to moderates elected by folks who likely voted for Trump in Trump Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #27
"Occupied Ohio." :) We just drove past Ohio last week, Hortensis Jul 2019 #28
re: "MFA would no doubt be found unconstitutional as well" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #54
If ACA loses in court, then the argument for not "starting over" dies, and marylandblue Jul 2019 #39
:) Yes, so true that a truly superior system would obviate the Hortensis Jul 2019 #40
Biden is correct, why rip out Obamacare and start all over?! Why not build on ACA and move on uponit7771 Jul 2019 #20
This is the correct approach to changing our healthcare. herding cats Jul 2019 #21
Thank You, herding cats! Cha Jul 2019 #38
I really like this plan. herding cats Jul 2019 #41
Yes, I love it when Biden Cha Jul 2019 #42
Improving upon Obamacare is the only doable path forward. nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #23
Obama calls 'Medicare for all' a 'good' idea Go Vols Jul 2019 #31
Paying everyone a million dollars a year is also a good idea NYMinute Jul 2019 #33
Agree Go Vols Jul 2019 #49
I support Joe Biden for many reasons including Biden's health plan Gothmog Jul 2019 #26
Wow melman Jul 2019 #29
No.. it was Not "embarrassing". Symone is Cha Jul 2019 #35
Yeah it actually was melman Jul 2019 #36
No Symone wasn't.. but this Is Embarassing for BS.. Cha Jul 2019 #37
After hearing that interview, one would think CNN's Erin Burnett oasis Jul 2019 #45
yeah.. the BS supporters think it's Cha Jul 2019 #46
Biden's healthcare plan is just better. Simply put. oasis Jul 2019 #48
On so many levels! Symone knows Cha Jul 2019 #50
Symone was not embarrassed. She scolded the CNN hack for oasis Jul 2019 #43
lol melman Jul 2019 #44
Symone never indicated a hint of embarrassment. She lightly oasis Jul 2019 #47
It's called Moving Cha Jul 2019 #51
Glad to see someone learned a lesson from the 2018 midterms. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #32
Good. Because it is indeed a BFD, & saying so was no gaffe. Hekate Jul 2019 #52
Right, Hekate.. some did Cha Jul 2019 #53
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. Great stand to take, the anti-trump...
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019
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onetexan

(12,994 posts)
30. heck yea. One thing's for sure: the majority of the 38 million AARP members will be voting for Joe
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 02:16 PM
Jul 2019

since healthcare is the #1 issue for seniors.

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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
34. Attack attack attack, no longer is the why can't we get along attitude is
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:53 PM
Jul 2019

Tolerable

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
2. Yes! It's the right thing to do..!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jul 2019

I have more to say on this.. but right now I have to go catch a bus..

Mahalo, Scurrilous!

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. As well he should. Remember, that was a "BIG F-ING DEAL!"
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jul 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. :) Yes!!! Even Repubs and the far left want it,
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:08 AM
Jul 2019

albeit with the Obama/Democrat label replaced with their own.

It was and is a BIG F-ING DEAL!

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wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
5. Both the left and the right are working to make that a liability.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jul 2019

With all their sniping and attacking and ... what were some of those other words? Oh yeah, chiding and hitting back.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. That is probably our single most winning issue.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jul 2019

And he'll never have to walk it back.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
7. It's a great position to stake out.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jul 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. There is one fatal error that would sink him: running away from Barack.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:36 PM
Jul 2019

Lucky for Joe the others haven't figured that out.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. :) He won't be doing that for sure! Even if they weren't
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:18 AM
Jul 2019

good friends and his association with much-missed Obama a great electoral asset, he was closely involved in many of that administration's actions and it's his record as well. To run ON.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. Best strategy ever.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:22 AM
Jul 2019

Meanwhile Kamala, Liz and Bernie have some explaining to do about that question at the debate . . .

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Definitely. And Booker. I took it mostly as a sideswipe
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:33 AM
Jul 2019

at Biden but definitely wondered how it'd play for them overall.

One thing, if Biden is elected he will turn out to be Obama's biggest legacy and one Trump couldn't erase.



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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
19. Based in something Warren said in a rally, she back off from Medicare 4 All.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jul 2019

She said America is "not ready" for a single payer system. I took this to mean that in actual practice she would institute a public option as President, with an eventual transition to single payer because she expects that the public option would work better.

We'll see if I'm right. The question is sure to come up.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
22. They were good friends in fact or so I heard quite often..
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jul 2019
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JI7

(89,182 posts)
9. if he wins this will be one of the biggest reasons
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:56 PM
Jul 2019
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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
10. This is the lane Biden has chosen, one that can be . . .
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jul 2019

implemented quickly within the existing system. It's a way to ease into the universal coverage issue and as indicated in the fuller article will force insurance companies to compete with the government plan, thereby lowering costs to healthcare consumers. Bringing down those costs is a first step in making universal care a reality. This was one of the lessons learned by Governor Shumlin and his team--the cost of medical care (and pharmaceuticals) need to be reined in before a vast expansion is practical, that is without raising taxes to backbreaking levels.

We can do this!

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
12. Biden knows ACA is a BFD!
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:11 AM
Jul 2019




Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

Despite a large division in the Democratic party over the best health care solution ― single-payer or a continuation and possible expansion of something like Obamacare ― progressives in Congress appear to be in lockstep with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s priority of shoring up the ACA before tackling anything like Medicare for All.

“I’m happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that we’re seeing, particularly as it’s under assault by the president,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. “I think it’s part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top

Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden

Here's Beto..


Mahalo!
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. If SCOTUS found Obamacare unconstitutional before the election,
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:21 AM
Jul 2019

that would have an interesting effect on the ACA's benefit to him, but I suspect it would be an amplifying one because people across the spectrum would be angry.

Biden would of course immediately commit to replacing it with whatever change got around the conservative justices' excuse for getting rid of it. And no doubt he'd use the opportunity to include the public option the Republicans blocked in 2010, along with other expansions that would already be in place if the 2016 disaster hadn't happened.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
24. MFA would no doubt be found unconstitutional as well ...I do not believe SCOTUS will find it
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:01 PM
Jul 2019

unconstitutional...but if they did ...the fix would be to bring back the penalty for not having insurance combined with good affordable coverage...we start with the ACA and eventually, we end up with universal coverage of some sort. Starting over is madness in my view.

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Hortensis

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25. Agree starting over would be very foolish.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:07 AM
Jul 2019

I suspect most of the candidates promoting their own versions of MfA are mainly just using its zeitgeist to give their campaigns a lift and differentiate from Biden. Plus they know leaving the Obamacare name behind would undercut the hostile passions of many on both the right and a few on the left who really want healthcare but have been lead to reject the Obama admin's.

The anti-tax wealthy are much more knowledgeable and realistic now about how to destroy than they were when the ACA was passed. Repeal and replace would give the them new opportunity to destroy. At very least and until, they would use the passing of a whole new bill to block inclusion of important provisions and implant weaknesses they could attack in courts. The transition would also destabilize the entire healthcare system, creating many other breaches to attack through.

But the anti-tax wealthy are only one, or at most two, more justices away from having SCOTUS rule that all big federal programs are unconstitutional. The constitutional authority of the federal government to create Social Security and Medicare itself, and all the others, is on shaky ground, a return to pre- New Deal interpretation away from being eliminated. And these people are extremists.

An appellate court will probably rule any day now that the individual mandate in the ACA is unconstitutional because a previous court ruled it's not a tax but reject the core argument that the entire ACA is thus invalid. Then they'll appeal its failure to destroy entirely to SCOTUS. It's an outrageously legally invalid argument, but the TX judge who ruled it didn't care. By arrival, could they have put another of their political agents on the court? Meanwhile, attempts to kill by thousands of cuts from all directions continue.

But, hey, let's spin the wheel again and see what we get.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
27. The GOP lost the midterms to moderates elected by folks who likely voted for Trump in Trump
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 01:37 PM
Jul 2019

states and districts...you would think they would not so blatantly try to destroy the only insurance that millions of their voters have....it will be a big issue IMHO. Great reply and quite true. Greetings from occupied Ohio.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. "Occupied Ohio." :) We just drove past Ohio last week,
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jul 2019

sticking to Pennsylvania and West Virginia, to mark OH's recent fetal heartbeat bill, but home's Georgia and we couldn't skip that.

Scary that virtually all Repubs in national government, and most in red states, have thrown their futures so completely in with the anti-tax/anti-regulation plutocrats they helped create. They must serve their wishes, which they've mostly adopted as their own, and somehow also must win no matter how badly they're betraying the people, by whatever means. Our illegal governor, Brian Kemp, has shown them just how blatantly they can steal government and get away with it, once they have their corrupt laws in place.

Go, Joe!

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thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
54. re: "MFA would no doubt be found unconstitutional as well"
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:06 PM
Jul 2019

I'm not sure you could come up with a rationale that would conclude that MFA is unconstitutional, but that medicare for some (what we have today) is not. (At least if they actually model MFA on the current system, which I know is a debatable point as well.)

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
39. If ACA loses in court, then the argument for not "starting over" dies, and
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jul 2019

depending on how the court decides, it may be difficult to resurrect. On the other hand, expanding Medicare to include everyone and raising the payroll tax to fund it would have no constitutional problem. No need to ban insurance companies, they won't be able to compete.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. :) Yes, so true that a truly superior system would obviate the
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jul 2019

need to ban any employer-offered insurance that couldn't compete. We can have a good national healthcare system without stripping the rights of the people.

No matter what route we might take, though, the Republicans absolutely intend to destroy it, along with all other federal and state taxpayer-funded programs that the very wealthy don't need and don't want to pay into. They don't need valid legal arguments if they've stacked a court with their political agents. We will only be able to put an end to their corruption of government to serve them and their attacks on the will of the people by breaking their power.

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Nancy Pelosi in her address to the nation at the opening of congress.


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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
20. Biden is correct, why rip out Obamacare and start all over?! Why not build on ACA and move on
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jul 2019

It looks like Biden might when the primary on this ONE ISSUE !! The other candidates aren't even try trying to hedge on this.

Public Option is relatively popular with republicans and even more popular with democrats.

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herding cats

(19,549 posts)
21. This is the correct approach to changing our healthcare.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

Expand on the ACA, as was intended, add a public option and continue to transition from there.

This is a winning proposal on a winning issue for we Democrat's.

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
38. Thank You, herding cats!
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jul 2019
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herding cats

(19,549 posts)
41. I really like this plan.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jul 2019

Joe's having a good week so far, Cha!

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
42. Yes, I love it when Biden
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019

rallies After all those who try to take him.. don't.

:candel:

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
23. Improving upon Obamacare is the only doable path forward. nt
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jul 2019
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Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
31. Obama calls 'Medicare for all' a 'good' idea
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jul 2019

Former President Obama on Friday called "Medicare for all" a "good" idea during a speech in Illinois where he launched his midterm campaign efforts for Democrats.

"Democrats aren't just running on good, old ideas like a higher minimum wage. They're running on good, new ideas like Medicare for all," Obama said.

The idea has gained momentum in the party following the insurgent presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in 2016.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/405597-obama-calls-medicare-for-all-a-good-idea

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
33. Paying everyone a million dollars a year is also a good idea
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jul 2019

Not all good ideas can be implemented.

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Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
49. Agree
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:53 PM
Jul 2019

Obama wants more than we will offer.

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
26. I support Joe Biden for many reasons including Biden's health plan
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:21 AM
Jul 2019
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Cha

(295,926 posts)
35. No.. it was Not "embarrassing". Symone is
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jul 2019

is right.

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top



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melman

(7,681 posts)
36. Yeah it actually was
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jul 2019

She was confronted with her obvious flip flop and her response was embarrassing.

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
45. After hearing that interview, one would think CNN's Erin Burnett
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:09 PM
Jul 2019

was an advocate for MFA. What a hack.

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
46. yeah.. the BS supporters think it's
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:15 PM
Jul 2019

"embarrassing".. strongly standing up for what she believed.

It wasn't at all.

Thank you, oasis!

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
48. Biden's healthcare plan is just better. Simply put.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jul 2019

You're welcome, Cha

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
50. On so many levels! Symone knows
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:34 AM
Jul 2019

this and wanted to get the point across.. while it seemed Burnett was trying to Gotcha and Symone was having NONE of it.

Not even a little bit.

Aloha!

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
43. Symone was not embarrassed. She scolded the CNN hack for
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jul 2019

slipping her the obvious gotcha MFA question, then went on to lay out Biden's exceedingly better plan.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
44. lol
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:07 PM
Jul 2019

How is it a 'gotcha' to show someone saying two conflicting things and ask them to explain? Hint: it's not.


And I didn't say she was embarrassed. I said her answer was embarrassing. And it was.

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
47. Symone never indicated a hint of embarrassment. She lightly
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jul 2019

scolded the CNN hack for slipping in her past advocacy for the MFA plan. Symone moved on and is now promoting Biden's much better healthcare proposal.

Hell yeah it was "gotcha". If you were a Ford Escort salesman 2 years ago, but now you work for Mercedes, how many folks would accuse you of flip flopping?

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
51. It's called Moving
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:37 AM
Jul 2019

On Up in the World.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
32. Glad to see someone learned a lesson from the 2018 midterms.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jul 2019

We won the house by winning moderate districts that long for Normalcy in the system, not radical change from the American status quo. Certainly not with plans like Medicare for all.

This has been an impressive run for Joe. His foreign policy speech, followed by his winning message on healthcare topped off with this honest and brutal assessment of the Republican Base just today.

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Hekate

(90,202 posts)
52. Good. Because it is indeed a BFD, & saying so was no gaffe.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:40 AM
Jul 2019

Thanks, Joe.

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Cha

(295,926 posts)
53. Right, Hekate.. some did
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:51 PM
Jul 2019

try to put that in Biden's "gaffe" column. lol

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