So if Kamala Harris were to be President, would she institute forced busing across the country?

[Honeycombe8]

Serious question. Did anyone ask her that after the debate?

[MrsCoffee]

1. .

[tymorial]

30. Yeah pretty much my reaction

Ridiculous

[zackymilly]

2. Serious question? nt

[Honeycombe8]

3. Yes. Did anyone ask her that?

Since she wanted forced busing to continue, would she do that, since many schools in the country are still not fully integrated?

[SouthernProgressive]

9. No one needs to ask her at this point.

She has gone public with her desire for a proposal that includes busing.

Kamala Harris’s Call for a Return to Busing Is Bold and Politically Risky

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) is standing by her support for busing as an effective tool the federal government should use to help desegregate schools.

The 2020 presidential candidate doubled down on her busing comments Sunday in San Francisco after participating in the city’s Pride Parade, according to Bloomberg.

“I support busing,” she told reporters outside city hall. “Listen, the schools of America are as segregated, if not more segregated today than when I was in elementary school. And we need to put every effort, including busing, into play to desegregate the schools.”

NY Mag

[Honeycombe8]

10. +1. nt

[UniteFightBack]

11. I thought I heard that this morning. I think this line of policy is a LOSER. nt

[sop]

22. "Kamala Harris and the Democrats want to forcibly bus your kids to failing inner city schools!"

The attack ads almost write themselves. Advocating for court-mandated school busing in today's political climate, in order to solve the many problems facing inner city public schools, would be as big a political loser for Democrats as...vowing to issue an executive order immediately banning all gas-guzzling SUVs and PUs in order to reverse climate change, or promising to bring back the military draft on January 21, 2021 in order to stop endless and unpopular wars.

What better way for a Democrat to completely lose the support of working-class white Americans in swing states than by telling them you're going to bus their kids 30 miles to inner city schools? Go ahead, Kamala, run on that.

[SouthernProgressive]

4. Kamala Harris's Call for a Return to Busing

“I support busing,” she told reporters outside City Hall. “Listen, the schools of America are as segregated, if not more segregated today than when I was in elementary school. And we need to put every effort, including busing, into play to desegregate the schools.”

Huffington Post

[Honeycombe8]

6. Thank you. nt

[SouthernProgressive]

7. The quote there is from this past Sunday. NT

[lapucelle]

32. "Kamala Harris Doubles Down On Calls To Desegregate Schools" is the actual headline

of the HuffPo piece you linked to.

[watoos]

5. Maybe Joe should have asked her that?

The right fears Kamala.

[Honeycombe8]

8. Maybe a reporter should have. nt

[Celerity]

12. that neocon worm Noah Rothman (a Glenn Beck fav) is on Morning Joe pushing that scaremongering line

along with claptrap like railing against re-regulation of anything that is a sacred cow of his. If we start to embrace his vision of societal arrangement (an encourage people like him just because they sometimes think Trump is shit on certain things) we are absolutely fucked as a party and a nation.

A sample of Noah's tosh

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST JULY 01, 2019
Noah Rothman | Episode 43
This week, Glenn is joined by author Noah Rothman who wrote the book, "Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America" to discuss the rise of the violent American Left and its ties to Russia.



Watch NBC political analyst Anand Giridharadas push back against right-wing hyperbole about "identity politics"

Giridharadas: "I think it is so fascinating that we are having a conversation about the problems of identity politics at a table with five men." (Rothman is doing his usual gaslighting on social justice)

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/01/30/Watch-NBC-political-analyst-Anand-Giridharadas-push-back-against-right-wing-hyperbole-abou/222698

ROTHMAN: The notion of the right to be believed, which was something that Hillary Clinton endorsed with regard to the claims of sexual assault victims, was perceived to be addressing a historical grievance and it is rooted fundamentally in intersectional theory and social justice theory which holds that the United States has such misogyny ingrained in its institutions that they cannot adjudicate claims like this, because they do not recognize --

SCARBOROUGH: Noah, when you say the right to be believed, you mean that -- what? What are you saying?

ROTHMAN: That a sexual assault survivor deserves not just impartiality but deference to their claims, which is antithetical to the notion of justice. And we had some high-profile examples of why that was, you know, unjust, but the ones that never make the headlines were the students who were made victims by the Title IX reforms under the Obama era. Both victims -- both accusers and accused, who were deprived of their Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights as a result of a perception that American judicial institutions cannot fundamentally adjudicate these claims fairly as a result of historical grievances dating back thousands of years. This is the kind of thing that I think is a conceptual misunderstanding of what the American idea is.

SCARBOROUGH: So Anand, are you here because you were the co-author of this book? Is that right? I'm joking. Your turn.

ANAND GIRIDHARADAS (NBC POLITICAL ANALYST): I think it is so fascinating that we are having a conversation about the problems of identity politics at a table with five men.

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Social justice has become a new excuse for prejudice
By Noah Rothman February 2, 2019 | 9:45am


March 24, 2019
AOC and the Crisis of Perceived Poverty
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the face of a generation that doesn't know how good they have it because they've never known anything else.

Yes, we really do need a 'Space Force'
August 10, 2018 | 10:56pm
When President Trump first floated the idea of an entirely new branch of the armed forces dedicated to space-based operations, the response from political observers was limited to bemused snickering....


Racist goons are targeting the FCC chief — and his family (Noah hates net neutrality)
January 8, 2018 | 6:51pm
In the minds of today’s political activists, the objects of their fixations represent an existential threat. This is how opposition to an arcane, bureaucratic decision by the Federal Communications Commission...


What did Obama know about Hillary's private email server?
October 25, 2016 | 11:13pm
When did President Obama learn of Hillary Clinton’s “homebrew” e-mail server, through which she funneled even the most sensitive electronic correspondence as secretary of state? “At the same time everybody...


The 2016 race has debunked all that 'dark money' hysteria
November 2, 2015 | 8:23pm
Harvard University Professor Lawrence Lessig’s quixotic presidential candidacy ended on Monday — surely before most voters knew it even existed. Maybe because the point of his run — the need...

[SouthernProgressive]

13. This is from Sunday.

“I support busing,” she told reporters outside City Hall. “Listen, the schools of America are as segregated, if not more segregated today than when I was in elementary school. And we need to put every effort, including busing, into play to desegregate the schools.” Kamala Harris

[Celerity]

16. bussing worked, some major areas still do it, and even fucked up, some places now bus to actually

re-segregate. A poster in NC told me that most all the white kids in his neighbourhood (who live right very, very near to a giant almost all black high school) are bussed to a far away mostly all white public high school.


'Forced busing' didn't fail. Desegregation is the best way to improve our schools.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/23/forced-busing-didnt-fail-desegregation-is-the-best-way-to-improve-our-schools/?utm_term=.ca606c37bcac

snip

Since the Reagan administration’s “A Nation at Risk” report pronounced that schools across the country were failing, every president has touted a new plan to close the racial academic achievement gap: President Obama installed Race to the Top; George W. Bush had No Child Left Behind; and Clinton pushed Goals 2000. The nation has commissioned studies, held conferences and engaged in endless public lamentation over how to get poor students and children of color to achieve at the level of wealthy white students — as if how to close this opportunity gap was a mystery. But we forget that we’ve done it before. Racial achievement gaps were narrowest at the height of school integration.

U.S. schools have become more segregated since 1990, and students in major metropolitan areas have been most severely divided by race and income, according to the University of California at Los Angeles’s Civil Rights Project. Racially homogenous neighborhoods that resulted from historic housing practices such as red-lining have driven school segregation. The problem is worst in the Northeast — the region that, in many ways, never desegregated — where students face some of the largest academic achievement gaps: in Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts and the District of Columbia.

More than 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, federal education policies still implicitly accept the myth of “separate but equal,” by attempting to improve student outcomes without integrating schools. Policymakers have tried creating national standards, encouraging charter schools, implementing high-stakes teacher evaluations and tying testing to school sanctions and funding. These efforts sought to make separate schools better but not less segregated. Ending achievement and opportunity gaps requires implementing a variety of desegregation methods – busing, magnet schools, or merging school districts, for instance – to create a more just public education system that successfully educates all children.

Public radio’s “This American Life” reminded us of this reality in a two-part report this summer, called “The Problem We All Live With.” The program noted that, despite declarations that busing to desegregate schools failed in the 1970s and 1980s, that era actually saw significant improvement in educational equity. When the National Assessment of Educational Progress began in the early 1970s, there was a 53-point gap in reading scores between black and white 17-year-olds. That chasm narrowed to 20 points by 1988. During that time, every region of the country except the Northeast saw steady gains in school integration. In the South in 1968, 78 percent of black children attended schools with almost exclusively minority students; by 1988, only 24 percent did. In the West during that period, the figure declined from 51 percent to 29 percent.

But since 1988, when education policy shifted away from desegregation efforts, the reading test score gap has grown — to 26 points in 2012 — with segregated schooling increasing in every region of the country.

Research has shown that integration is a critical factor in narrowing the achievement gap. In a 2010 research review, Harvard University’s Susan Eaton noted that racial segregation in schools has such a severe impact on the test score-gap that it outweighs the positive effects of a higher family income for minority students. Further, a 2010 study of students’ improvements in math found that the level of integration was the only school characteristic (vs. safety and community commitment to math) that significantly affected students’ learning growth. In an analysis of the landmark 1966 “Coleman Report,” researchers Geoffrey Borman and Maritza Dowling determined that both the racial and socioeconomic makeups of a school are 1¾-times more important in determining a student’s educational outcomes than the student’s own race, ethnicity or social class.

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The City That Believed in Desegregation. Integration isn't easy, but Louisville, Kentucky, has decided that it's worth it

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/the-city-that-believed-in-desegregation/388532/

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The Supreme Court decided against Jefferson County, ruling in favor of a parent who argued that her son’s bus ride was too long. But in the years since, the district has found other creative ways of keeping its schools diverse. Today, the Louisville area is one of the few regions in the country that still buses students among urban and suburban neighborhoods. Jefferson County Public Schools is 49 percent white, 37 percent black, and 14 percent Latino and other ethnic and racial groups.

The county, which borders Indiana on the south, spreads across 400 square miles and encompasses census tracts in which more than half of the population lives below the poverty level, and tracts in which less than 10 percent does. But there are no struggling inner-city schools here—the city and county schools are under the same district, and the most sought-after high school within it, duPont Manual, is located near downtown.

Indeed, it could be argued that Louisville, an economically vibrant city in a highly conservative and segregated state, is a success today in large part because of its integrated schools and the collaborations among racial and economic groups that have come as a result. “Our PTA president will drive downtown into neighborhoods she probably would not have gone to, to pick up kids to bring to her house for sleepovers,” said Jessica Rosenthal, the principal at Hawthorne Elementary. “I just don’t know how likely that is to happen in a normal school setting.”

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The integration plan in Jefferson County and Louisville might not be perfect, but the very fact that the region is still trying to work together and provide equal opportunity to all of its students makes it stand out, said Gary Orfield, of the Civil Rights Project. When most other regions have given up, or fought integration plans with every resource, Louisville has continued to strive for diversity. In 2012, for example, half of the 14 candidates running for Jefferson County School Board ran on a platform of replacing the school-assignment policy with one that would have let students attend their neighborhood schools. All seven candidates were defeated at the polls

That conscious commitment to diversity indicates that Louisville is still thinking about how to try and make things fair, Orfield said. “School integration was never meant to be the only solution, but it is it is an essential and necessary element, they’ve at least kept that going, in spite of all kinds of problems over the years,” Orfield said. “They believe it works, not perfectly but a lot better than the alternatives.” It’s possible that commitment to diversity is a result of the integration that was forced on the region, in the 1970s. Now, people who grew up in integrated schools want the same for their children.


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[SouthernProgressive]

19. From "it's a rw talking point"

"Bussing worked"

[Celerity]

21. you are actually saying that showing a detailed article showing the positive effect desegregation

had and is having (often accomplished by bussing) is a RW talking point?

[watoos]

18. Yes, I have said all along

that we need a tough as nails nominee to take on Trump.

It was brave of Kamala to make that statement that busing can be a positive step in the 21st century. She risks alienating liberal white Democrats who profess to be anti-racist, but when the rubber hits the road in integrating schools those Democrats may have a change of heart when it involves them.

Kamala has guts, and so does Warren, I just selected Kamala "because" of her debate performance. Joe has also taken on Trump and that's what I'm looking for but his debate performance was weak. It's not up to reporters to bail him out, it's up to him to bail himself out.

[SouthernProgressive]

20. I didn't know he was looking for reporters to bail him out.

Always learning here at DU.

[IronLionZion]

14. She'll bus right through the bubble of privileged elitism

We can bus private school kids deep into rural appalachia and inner cities, on long distance greyhound buses.

[Honeycombe8]

15. Private schools aren't involved, I think.

Forced busing is for public schools, I believe. Because they're funded w/govt money.

[IronLionZion]

17. It was sarcasm, with a tag

[treestar]

23. It's not the real issue

He was against something to do with busing and back when she was a little girl, and so it was Bad Joe vs. Little Girl. How that is Presidential I don't know. How did that make her look "tough?" It makes her into a victim.

And busing is a loser issue. That would hand the election to the Dotard. That is not going to help win the swing states. In fact it would make it harder. If she keeps this up, she can't be the nominee. We'd lose.

[Honeycombe8]

24. I agree.

Another poster has linked sources that she is in favor of forced busing, even now. That's a losing issue, IMO. Americans are not going to go back to those days and are going to run, not walk, the other way.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. If I remember corectly from the 60's and 70's no President can institute nation wide forced bussing

"Forced busing" was not a legislative or executive end. Integration was the goal sought and mandatory busing was a judicial remedy imposed on some school districts by federal courts when no other remedy achieved that goal. I believe the Federal Justice department may have sued some school districts for non compliance with desegregation requirements. Busing was not always the remedy sought or applied. I believe Congress could have passed legislation barring forced busing as a remedy had it chosen to, so it was a live political issue.

But no, neither Kamala Harris nor anyone else can "institute forced busing across the country" nor does she advocate doing so. She believes busing is a remedy for de facto segregation that should remain available as one possible remedy among others.

[PoliticAverse]

26. That won't work...

By the time the kids get 1/2 way from New York to California the school day will be over.

[Hoyt]

27. Not likely, but she might back efforts to improve education for everyone.

From what I've read here, Biden was more interested in getting re-elected in the 1970s than worrying about localities that were dragging their feet to desegregate schools and ensure minorities received equal educational opportunities.

[stopbush]

28. Funny how the media screams that busing is a losing issue because

80% of Americans have a negative opinion about it while gun control is a losing issue because 70% of Americans support some version of gun control.

[tymorial]

29. Oh please.

Serious question...

Who are you trying to fool here?

[Honeycombe8]

31. Look at the other posts. She does currently support busing to desegregate.

The question was serious, and I am thankful that those in the political know recognized it as such, and answered it with links. I suspect you don't like the answer, so you would prefer the question not be asked. Me...I like facts and information. It's very telling you didn't relay any information in response. Pete would not dodge a question like that.

[people]

33. And is Hillary going to take all of your guns?

This is like asking if Hillary is going to come and take all of your guns. It's a dishonest question. Kamala said it's one of the tools among others to consider re how to segregate our schools.

[Demsrule86]

37. I can see it now...ad...'Democrats will bus your kids to "fill in the blank".

[Demsrule86]

34. Good question and one the right wing will certainly ask...and insist that no matter what her answer

that yes she would.

[ooky]

35. Not only that, but it will become

"democrats want to do it".

[Demsrule86]

36. I don't think folks realize that with the wrong candidate, our house majority could be in danger.

Moderates gave us the house.