How Warren's supporters plan to poach Biden backers

[bluewater]

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has been called a less radical alternative to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Her backers think that's the wrong approach.

Instead of aiming to snag Sanders supporters as the 2020 Democratic primaries ramp up, Warren's allies at the Progressive Change Campaign Committee have said their new "Switch to Warren" initiative will actually zero in on Joe Biden's base. That's because Biden's backers "are ready to bolt," PCCC co-founder Adam Green tells BuzzFeed News, and the group is ready to snatch them for Warren.

Biden secured the top spot in Democratic primary polls even months before he started his campaign, while Warren had a relatively dismal showing after launching late last year. Yet in recent weeks, she's been securing third and even second place showings, breaking Sanders' seemingly solid No. 2 rank.

Earlier speculation suggested Warren was stealing voters from Sanders' ranks. But the PCCC, which has more than 1 million members and has been tied to Warren since her 2012 Senate run, sees it differently. "The two big honeypots for Warren are actually Biden supporters and undecided voters" because they want a candidate who can "inspire voters in the general election," Green told BuzzFeed News. The PCCC has already rounded up some of these Democrats who've abandoned their original candidates for Warren, and is collecting their testimonials for the "Switch to Warren" push that began Monday.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/848796/how-elizabeth-warrens-supporters-plan-poach-biden-backers

[Tiggeroshii]

1. If she wants to win, she can't just overtake Bernie,

She needs to replace Biden for first place. If she is successful, the top 2 contenders will become Bernie and Warren and the primaries will shift all the more to the left.

[George II]

4. Both BS and Warren are not going to overtake Biden unless something drastic happens.

[Tiggeroshii]

5. Both BERNIE SANDERS and Warrren will overtake Biden

Unless something drastic happens

Also, if you are not using Warren's initials, please do not use Bernie's intitials. By your inconsistency, it is clear of your intent.

[KPN]

7. Good on you. nt

[katmondoo]

19. Bernie will not ever overtake Biden

[NurseJackie]

38. ...

Also, if you are not using Warren's initials, please do not use Bernie's intitials.

[Tiggeroshii]

39. "...by your inconsistency it is clear of your intent."

Not sure why you didn't finish the sentence there. Oh wait yeah I am.

[NurseJackie]

46. Actually I did finished the sentence.

Not sure why you didn't finish the sentence there. Oh wait yeah I am.

Actually I did "finish the sentence". I used the complete sentence. The last one. The funniest one. That's the part that made me laugh. (Why would I bother to quote the part that didn't make me laugh?)

39. "...by your inconsistency it is clear of your intent."

I think he's been very consistent. Personally speaking, I know that I try to be consistent in using his initials. Those are his initials after all. Why does it cause so much distress when people choose to use them?

[Tiggeroshii]

53. If you are only using his intitials and not anybody else's, there has to be a reason if it is not

practice among his supporters, and only his detractors. You know what that reason is, as do I. If you aren't using it for other candidates, it is entirely inconsistent to use it for him, and I think you should stop

[LanternWaste]

54. Much as the inconsistency by referring to Jimmy Carter and JFK.

There has to be a reason Kennedy's being maligned by doing as much.

[Tiggeroshii]

60. Difference is his supporters referred to him as JFK affectionately

Why do only Sanders detractors refer to him as BS? Is that what you will call him if and when he receives the nomination?


Or are you only saying it to malign him because BS also stands for bullshit and that is what you think of him?

[NurseJackie]

66. Oh dear!

if and when he receives the nomination?

[Tiggeroshii]

67. That is a no. You will not refer to him as such if he wins the nomination

Which means you shouldnt refer to him as that at all.

[NurseJackie]

78. Yes I would. Of course I would.

67. That is a no. You will not refer to him as such if he wins the nomination

Yes I would. Of course I would. But it would have to be in some alternate reality because BS won't win the nomination. So what difference does it make?

Which means you shouldnt refer to him as that at all.

No it doesn't. I'll continue to refer to him by his initials. I won't be bullied.

[Tiggeroshii]

79. Oh?

Even though he might not like it, nor any of his supporters? Not one person I know with those initials likes to be referred to as such. Why do you think Bernie would? Would you be okay with being referred to as BS by people who don't like you if those were your initials?

[NurseJackie]

83. I'll bet you he's got thicker skin that you imagine.

Why do you think Bernie would?

I'll bet you he's got thicker skin that you imagine. Why do you think he cares at all?

Not one person I know with those initials likes to be referred to as such.

How many people do you personally know with those initials? And based on that, you're extrapolating and projecting their feelings onto EVERY person who has the same intials? Wow.

Would you be okay with being referred to as BS by people who don't like you if those were your initials?

If those were my initials, I certainly wouldn't care. Even now, as an ordinary citizen (and not someone seeking national office) I have enough self-confidence and self-assurance and belief in myself that it wouldn't matter. I guess I'm just a stronger person.

[LiberalLovinLug]

111. We know what you mean by BS NJ

BEST SELECTION

Thank you for your support!

[NurseJackie]

128. Ha! Good one! Thank you!

[Tiggeroshii]

117. So BS doesn't mean anything else to you?

And it isn't extrapolating to see through the silly game anti Bernie folks are playing knowing his initials also stand for Bull Shit. Keep pleading ignorance, but as soon as you decide you actually know what BS stands for in the common veenacular is the minute you should realize you are attacking a prominent democratic candidate by giving him such a nickname.


Explain to me why no Bernie supporters call him by BS. Is it because, unlike you, they realize that is not a flattering nickname?

[NurseJackie]

129. It's just a coincidence, I'm sure.

And it isn't extrapolating to see through the silly game anti Bernie folks are playing knowing his initials also stand for Bull Shit.

It's just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Explain to me why no Bernie supporters call him by BS.

Because the like the sound of his full name?

Is it because, unlike you, they realize that is not a flattering nickname?

As a stand-alone pair of letters it could be one either one thing or the other. But in the context of the message or post, it's easy to see which is which.

I can easily read and see the context and determine the difference. Why does anyone else have difficulty?

[Tiggeroshii]

143. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

[NurseJackie]

144. Uppercase letters are his initials. Lowercase letters mean "bullshit".

143. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

Uppercase letters are his initials. Lowercase letters mean "bullshit".

[cwydro]

133. This is hilarious.

Not a snowflake’s chance in hell. (And I used snowflake on purpose lol.)

Mighty sensitive, these BS supporters.

[Tiggeroshii]

142. Sure the EW supporters aren't as sensitive either. :)

You're right. It's an innocent thing.

[NurseJackie]

145. No reason for anyone to be sensitive.

You're right. It's an innocent thing.

Absolutely!

[Tiggeroshii]

147. Cheers.

[NurseJackie]

148. Gerne! Sicher!

[NurseJackie]

65. Ha!

If you are only using his intitials and not anybody else's, there has to be a reason if it is not practice among his supporters, and only his detractors.

So what? What difference does it make? Those are his initials. It's not "made up" out of whole cloth. It is what it is. Deal with it.

Anyone who tries to "boss" people around and tell anyone what they can (or can't) do will soon discover that the behavior they wish to control only increases. If anyone doesn't like it, I'd recommend they ignore it. If they want it to continue (and grow) then they should keep complaining and scolding and wagging their finger scornfully. (For all the good it will do, eh?)

I think you should stop

I don't.

[Tiggeroshii]

68. Well you certainly dont have to, but your motives are clear.

[NurseJackie]

80. They are?

68. Well you certainly dont have to, but your motives are clear.

They are? Exactly what would my "motives" be? If my "motives" are so "clear" (as you claim) then why not just be honest enough to tell me (and the world) exactly what you believe them to be? What good purpose does the timid and evasive language serve... EXCEPT to hide the possibility that it's not at all "clear" what my "motives" are, and unless someone is a mind reader, making such insinuations is basically a smear against me.

I haven't smeared you. What good purpose does it serve to insult me and treat me in that way? I haven't made it personal with you, but that's how I'm being treated. Why?

[Tiggeroshii]

81. Your motives are clear.

Good luck!

[MrsCoffee]

84. Not really, but someone's are.

[Tiggeroshii]

85. ...

[NurseJackie]

87. ...

[NurseJackie]

86. Yet you won't say what you think they are.

81. Your motives are clear. Good luck!

Yet you won't say what you think they are. Every indication is that my "motives" (whatever you believe them to be) aren't actually as "clear" as you're claiming. Otherwise there would be a confident proclamation and direct accusation... yet there is none forthcoming. Why is that? Instead, there is only insinuation and insults.

[Tiggeroshii]

91. ..

[NurseJackie]

92. Thanks for proving my point. You can't have it both ways.

[Tiggeroshii]

94. ...

I'm just saying "hi." Not sure what you are referring to.

[NurseJackie]

95. An veiled accusation was made about me, and I called it out.

I'm just saying "hi." Not sure what you are referring to.

An veiled accusation was made about me, and I called it out. Time to step up to the plate and be direct in whatever it is you want to accuse me of, or... if lacking the courage to do that, then that lets me know you've got nothing... and the insinuation was just a way to smear me without evidence and without making a direct accusation. Why not be forthright enough to speak directly?

[Tiggeroshii]

101. Well call out whatever mysterious accusation you think is made about you.

Why not call Elizabeth Warren "EW"? Why not call anybody else by their initials? Why only call somebody you don't like by the initials that you know are pejorative that literally nobody else except his detractors are calling him. Not one person I know who has the initials "BS" (I know a few) would appreciate being referred by them, because they know what "BS" means. And I don't appreciate you referring to a Democratic figure as "BS" either, because you know very well what it stands for. Stop being evasive and pleading that you are simply calling him by his initials because that's his name, and own up to the fact you are calling him those initials because you don't like him.

Honest question, if you had the initials "BS" would you appreciate being called by it? I'm guessing not.

[tonedevil]

112. It is a transparent juvenile effort...

by people possessed of an irrational hostility toward Senator Sanders to make a joke about his name and that the initials are the same as those of bull shit. That's the motive of anyone who is playing the I'm-only-using-his-real-initials-what-could-be-wrong-with-that game. I hope that is direct enough for you.

[Tiggeroshii]

116. Thank you!

I'm definitely getting fed up with it, myself.

[cwydro]

134. Aww.

Sounds like someone needs a safe space...

[tonedevil]

137. What would make you say that bull shit. /nt

[cwydro]

139. Bwhaha!

[NurseJackie]

130. No it's not.

It is a transparent juvenile effort... by people possessed of an irrational hostility toward Senator Sanders

No it's not.

[tonedevil]

138. As convincing as a chocolate covered three year old...

saying they don't know who ate the cake.

[NurseJackie]

146. Ha!

[emmaverybo]

57. Try "Your inconsistency only makes your intent clear." This revision makes your sentence more clear

[Tiggeroshii]

59. I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

Carry on, thanks for playing

[emmaverybo]

71. The revision preserves your meaning without the sentence errors which serve to distort. Better yet,

make the header “You...” rather than a more abstract noun. In that case a sentence like “My intentions were to destroy her” becomes “I intended to destroy her.” You had posted a response claiming a fellow poster got your sentence wrong.
I thought the problem could be clarity.

[Tiggeroshii]

103. Fair enough.

Thank you!

[emmaverybo]

119. You berry welcome. You a good sport. Berry gracious. 👋

[cwydro]

132. Lol! That hit me the same way too!

I usually don’t use initials, but maybe I’ll start.

BS has no chance anyway.

[ehrnst]

136. What "intent" is that? (nt)

[LiberalLovinLug]

24. One or the other will though

I would think that Sanders + Warren backers combined will overtake Biden. And when one of them finally drops out, their supporters will migrate to the other one. And I might even go so far as to predict that if and when Harris, Buttigieg, and Gabbard drop out the majority of their supporters will also migrate to the leading candidate between Sanders and Warren.

[Tiggeroshii]

29. That sounds very plausible.

I have a feeling though that if anybody overtakes Biden, it wont be long before he ends up in 3rd place.

[emmaverybo]

58. Polling has suggested Sanders' supporters second choice is Biden.

[Cha]

75. lol.. you've been told, George!

Do not use BS' initials unless you're using Elizabeth's, too.

[MrsCoffee]

88. .

[Demsrule86]

12. Either Warren or Sanders must get out or...they split the vote...so I hope they both

stay in personally. I believe Biden will win anyway and the attacks only strengthen him.

[Tiggeroshii]

15. Nah they will simply add to the proportion of like minded Democrats through persuasion.

There are only two like Warren and Sanders. There are at least 19 moderates like Biden. It is more likely the vote will be split the other way.

[Demsrule86]

16. Biden will have an unbreakable lead in my opinion on super Tuesday.

[Tiggeroshii]

17. Well he has almost year to get that to happen

His lead right now, regardless of its size, is quite fragile and Bernie and Warren (and anybody else quite frankly) have a lot of good chances of breaking it.

[Demsrule86]

18. I don't see it as fragile...there are moderate Democrats who will vote for Biden...

[Tiggeroshii]

40. It is fragile only at this point.

As most of his support is very persuadable. But you could be right that moderates could support Biden. That is then though, this is now.

[emmaverybo]

55. How can you tell his lead is fragile? Measuring its strength by his opponents' swift-boating only

tells us how much they fear it might last.

[cwydro]

140. Certainly is fear here. Coming from a certain camp.

It’s amusing actually..

[Thekaspervote]

42. With sanders holding a 33% negativity and 20% of Americans wanting him to drop out of the race

That is a stretch. Even if he were to drop out and all of his backers choose warren it still is not enough to overcome Biden’s lead in all the various polls

[still_one]

21. It won't happen, but if Sander's supporters switched to Warren that would be a game changer

in achieving what you suggested

[LibFarmer]

25. Nice fantasy ....

[Green Line]

2. Good luck with that

This Biden supporter isn't going anywhere.

[Butterflylady]

6. Ammmmmmmeeennnnnn

We are not going anywhere.

[George II]

11. The only movement of support will be from BS to Warren, and we've already seen it starting.

[Cha]

126. ..

[Politicub]

3. Poach? That's a loaded word. It implies a nefarious approach to gain support.

And this article also speaks of honeypots and stealing.

Warren will earn more support with her proposals and pitch to voters. She's not going to poach, steal, or dip people in honey for a vote.

[hedda_foil]

8. The week doesn't usually use loaded words like these.

I haven't seen anything like it since the MSM attacked Al Gore with multiple loaded words in news article after news article -- not just in opinion pieces.

[bluewater]

9. UK English usage?

The Week's parent company s in the UK. Perhaps the shades of meaning are different there?

I will find a US based story on this . Thank you.

[customerserviceguy]

69. Good point

In the UK, the word "scheme" is a neutral word meaning "plan", it has quite a different connotation on this side of the pond.

[blm]

20. I think some are trying to use Warren's momentum to attack other Dems

and undermine her campaign with articles and headlines like this.

[Andy823]

34. I think you are right

There is a lot of that going on here. I keep seeing hit and run posts meant to stir things up and get an argument started. I see lots of very low count posters starting threads and other low count posters jump and start disagreeing and soon they drag in long time posters. The only threads that get any traction around here anymore are "divisive" ones.

If you try and post positive things, they get pushed off the board. It's only going to get worse. People need to remember not to feed the "trolls" and trouble makers. The more attention they get, the more problems they create.

[blm]

37. 👍🏼

[Demsrule86]

10. Never switch to Warren or anyone else...He is the only one who can win. I won't back anyone else

in the primary. I will of course vote for the nominee and work my ass off to GOTV...and I hope I am wrong and we win...but I just don't see any other candidate taking the rust belt..and Warren is East Coast...it was moderates that took the house...we run a a 'socialist' candidate (I know she is not but that is what will be pushed by GOP smear machine) , we might even lose the House. Biden is the best candidate to take down Trump.

[George II]

100. They won't "poach", or "snag", or "snatch" me or any other sincere Biden voters....

Nor are Biden's backers "ready to bolt" (all words used in the article).

[Demsrule86]

108. They wish...the next set of polls will show nothing has changed in my opinion...and I believe Biden

will win super Tuesday decisively...

[kcr]

13. I don't think it's a bad idea for her to pitch to Biden supporters

The truth is she has broad appeal across the left side of the political spectrum, which I think is a reason she's rising in the polls. I realize DU is not statistically representative, but I've noticed positive posts about Warren saying she's one of the top candidates they're considering, from DUers with avatars across the board, Bernie, Biden, Harris, Buttigieg, etc.

[quickesst]

14. Never happen

What Warren's campaign is saying is that Joe Biden's supporters are not capable of making independent rational decisions, and will be easily persuaded to support her through simple manipulation. Biden supporters, including me, will double their efforts in support of Joe, and answer Warren's people with a resounding "NO THANKS!"
Everything that's been thrown at Joe has backfired so far. Why should this be any different?

[blm]

36. I don't think this is really Warren's team -

I have been noticing several recent articles posted that I suspect were crafted to USE Warren’s momentum to sow divisiveness. No one with the campaign would put out a ‘strategy’ like this.

[quickesst]

107. Okay

I'll give Warren and her campaign the benefit of the doubt, and you're right, whoever is behind it is embracing a strategy that is not very smart. Thanks for the reply.

[Peacetrain]

22. I have a different view on this.. all the candidates should be pitching to everyone!

This idea that seems to be around here, it that we are going to get a President, they should only to talk to their philosophical view of politics..

[emulatorloo]

26. Well said and plus 1

[Thekaspervote]

43. Yes... nailed that one

[Cha]

76. Mahalo, Peacetrain!

[still_one]

23. The assessment that Biden supporters are getting ready to bolt I don't think is correct

She would have a much better chance if Sanders supporters bolted from Bernie to her

[Scurrilous]

72. Yep.

I mean, who bolts from the front runner?

[peggysue2]

27. I like Elizabeth Warren. BUT . . .

I do not buy into the premise that Joe Biden's supporters are tilted towards a switch 'because they want a candidate who can inspire voters in the GE'.

Beating Trump is all the inspiration I and other Biden supporters need. And though I like Warren, I'm not convinced she can take down Trump. Without a decisive win in 2020, all bets for the future of the country are off.

This time out, I'm touting the Republican message:

WINNING IS EVERYTHING

In addition, Biden voters want a candidate who will take Trump to the cleaners and return the country to a state of normal. They support Joe Biden because of his long years of experience, his foreign policy chops and his proven ability as President Obama's VP.

We cannot move forward until we shore up what has been broken, weakened. Our basic institutions have taken a battering. The rule of law has been side-stepped. Policies and programs to ensure a better, healthier future have been ravaged.

Fix what's broken first.

If Warren's people are looking to seduce Biden supporters to their camp then it tells me they are very aware that simply appealing to the left flank is not enough. Because the vast majority of the country is left-of-center which is where Joe Biden lives and from where his strength emanates. This is the lane Joe Biden deliberately chose. It appears that other candidates are realizing that wasn't such a dumb choice. Because Math!

I'm not going anywhere.

[Thekaspervote]

45. Thank you... finally some sanity!!

[emmaverybo]

61. Point by point, an excellent analysis, one that explains his lead, and the basis of his support. The

last passage in your post nails the problem both Sanders and Warren confront and bears repeating:

“If Warren's people are looking to seduce Biden supporters to their camp then it tells me they are very aware that simply appealing to the left flank is not enough. Because the vast majority of the country is left-of-center which is where Joe Biden lives and from where his strength emanates. This is the lane Joe Biden deliberately chose. It appears that other candidates are realizing that wasn't such a dumb choice. Because Math! “ ( peggysue2)

[marylandblue]

77. Warren is trying to move the center to the left, the same way Reagan moved it right.

We've been living in Reagan's country so long, we've forgotten how he did it. He did it by correctly guessing that regular, ordinary voters (that is not, political junkies or nutjobs) were sick of the economic and political problems of the seventies and were ready to go a new way. Pundits thought he was too far right to win.

We are underestimating Warren the same way.

[Cha]

96. Gracias, Peggysue, for laying out

so well why many Biden supporters would like to see him for our nominee.

Especially This..!

We cannot move forward until we shore up what has been broken, weakened. Our basic institutions have taken a battering. The rule of law has been side-stepped. Policies and programs to ensure a better, healthier future have been ravaged.

And, our Allies across the World have been dumped by trump's big and ugly Stupidity.. I'm thinking putin's orders to destabilize America.

[stonecutter357]

28. lol fail !

[redstateblues]

30. Warren could win the primary but not the General

She has plenty of baggage. Enough to give Trump a leg up in the rust belt.

[DrToast]

32. My biggest fear

I think Trump has and will continue to get under her skin.

[customerserviceguy]

70. We'll see how that works in the first debate

Sure, she's a Goliath surrounded by little Davids, but one of them is sure to sling a stone at her, we'll see how well she parries it.

[blm]

35. She doesn't have baggage. She's a clean, straight-shooter

who knows far more about the economy and financial industry than Trump and she will knot him like a shoestring in the debates.

[lunamagica]

56. I like Elizabeth, but Hillary pulverized trump in the debates..and here we are

[Blue_true]

114. I asked that question in a response post to that claim. What "baggage"? nt

[Blue_true]

113. I have friend that live in Massachusetts.

When she first ran there, she had really small crowds, she went anywhere to talk to people. Her crowds grew and her television exposure grew and she did not screw that up. If I were Biden, I would worry about her, especially if she dominate the debate on Wednesday the way I expect her to. She is not one to be dismissed, "Nevertheless, she persisted".

I don't know what "baggage" you are talking about. The Indian heritage thing? She has testing to prove that she has that heritage and even one Indian tribal Cheif that criticized her has backed off and is consillatory. Her economic plans? Even business journals have started writing positive stuff about some of her ideas. Her knowledge of high finance? The woman is and has been for years one of the preeminent minds in that area.

What baggage are you talking about? I see none that is significant.

[redstateblues]

121. The whole ancestry thing was badly bungled

You might think it’s inconsequential and in the primary it might be. In the General? Another story. Fellow Dems won’t go down that road. Trump would have a field day with it.

[marylandblue]

149. She did bungle it, but now she recovered. As long as she stays on message, she's good.

If she continues moving up, Trump will start attacking her and we will see how she responds. I hope she dismisses it with a sad shake of her head and gets right back on message.

[Blue_true]

152. Trump tried that Pocahontas thing against her when she campaigned for Hillary in 2016.

Senator Warren got under his skin bigtime with her comebacks. I really think that versus him straight up, she would humiliate that bastard.

[Blue_true]

151. The Massachusetts people say that was tried against her in the General of her

first Senate race. How did that turn out for the assholes? The Senator is a tough out, plain and simple.

[emulatorloo]

31. Or Progressive Change could speak to her strengths and accomplishments.

They could give reasons for voters to choose Warren over the other candidates.

[blm]

33. This stream of divisive posts feels more like an undermining of Warren

than real support.

[Thekaspervote]

47. Doesn't it thou!!

[emmaverybo]

63. The post kicking off this discussion is the problem. It certainly doesn't express anything positive

about Warren’s candidacy and provokes adverse commentary as it trades in scare tactic.

[blm]

73. I concur

[DCofVA]

41. It will be interesting to see where the Biden supporters go when he eventually withdraws.

I got a strong impression while watching his performance last weekend in South Carolina, that he was already beginning to think he was in this over his head.

[Thekaspervote]

49. Really??? I didn't sense that all

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. If Joe goes, I have a feeling most of us will be taking a second look at Kamala Harris. I will. nt

[NYMinute]

44. Poach?

[progressoid]

48. That's because Biden's backers "are ready to bolt,"

The rose colored glasses are starting to fade, IMHO.

[Vegas Roller]

50. Biden has the best chance to beat Trump

and that is why he has so many supporters.

It is not about policy or detailed programs anymore.

Beating Trump is THE cause. Policy will sort itself out later once Trump is gone.

Senator Warren is fantastic and will make a fine POTUS but she cannot beat Trump. Trump will repeatedly bring up the native American reference from day 1 and hammer it.

Also, the white male preferring independents and blue-collar Democrats will probably not trust Senator Warren but would trust Biden in droves.

[BlueMTexpat]

64. We'll have to agree to

disagree on this.

There are reasons that Biden was defeated at the primary level when he ran for President before pairing up with Barack Obama.

Just because he was an excellent Veep for President Obama has not negated those concerns.

[questionseverything]

82. thats the funny part...biden never had any support in a presidental primary, either time he ran

before

I always thought Obama picked him because he wouldn't over shadow the top of the ticket in any way

I don't think biden can win the general....he is thought of as the credit card senator, the 3 strike senator, the Clarence Thomas senator

here in the Midwest anyways


it is too bad we don't have ranked choice voting....the progressive vote being split is the only chance biden has to take the primary...which will give us the weakest general election candidate

of course that is by design

[TwilightZone]

99. Disagree.

"the progressive vote being split is the only chance biden has to take the primary"

Combine the vote for Sanders and Warren and Biden is still ahead in most areas, including the battleground states and the early-primary states. The math doesn't currently support your assertion.

"he is thought of as the credit card senator, the 3 strike senator, the Clarence Thomas senator"

In the real world, this isn't the case. In the real world, he's seen as Obama's VP. Voters tend to be influenced by the recency effect.

"of course that is by design "

The nominee is chosen by Democrats. The process is not "designed" to do anything other than determine who Democrats (and some independents and Republicans, in open primary states) prefer for their nominee. Same as it is most cycles.

[questionseverything]

102. the progressive vote isnt just sanders and warren, you would have to include anyone that was backing

medicare for all...so harris and a few others would have to be included....that math would prove my point

the Iraq war vote

i'll admit I read and have a long memory so maybe you are correct

[Blue_true]

115. Friends from Massachusetts said that when she first announced for the US Senate,

the party there looked around for "better" democrats to run against him. She worked her ass off meeting people all over the state, soon she was the only logical democrat and she beat Scott Brown, who was pretty popular.

Seeing her on the national stage, the thing that I like about her is she is down to earth, is a fighter and she is very fucking smart. She learns fast and then guts her opponents. Honestly, her on a debate stage with Trump should cause republicans to shit themselves at night.

[MineralMan]

51. What's funny is that they really have no idea who is switching.

Or why they're switching. No doubt, a few are coming from Biden supporters, but I suspect most of her new supporters are coming from down the candidate list and some from Sanders.

But, they don't know. All they have is the polls, and the polls aren't asking that question, at least so far. You can sort of see it by watching who is losing ground and who is gaining it, but even that doesn't tell you why people are moving.

Biden seems to be pretty stable, so far. I haven't seen any new poll results today, so I don't know what happened over the weekend and after the SC convention talks.

[Faux pas]

52. Go for it!

[BlueMTexpat]

62. Well, Biden isn't even among my top five for the

primaries. But I am certainly open to Elizabeth Warren!

I'm warming to her more every day.

"Poach" may not be the best word though. There are some real knee-jerk reactions to that.

[Autumn]

74. They don't have to poach Biden's supporters, just have to wait till he implodes.

And he will.

[emmaverybo]

97. Another nasty and insulting anti-Biden comment, but also offensive to his supporters here. NT

[Autumn]

110. Everything is nasty and insulting to you. Sorry but Biden is 24 on my list.

You should put me on ignore because I will give my opinion on the candidates, like it or not.

[emmaverybo]

118. I will just refrain from commenting on your comments.

[Autumn]

120. That works for me. nt

[emmaverybo]

122. I am not the first on DU to call you on your offensive attitude, and I will not be the last. NT

[Autumn]

131. Here you go emmaverybo, let me help you out.

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[cwydro]

135. Yeah, it's pretty obvious isn't it?

Just ignore.

I don’t put anyone on ignore, but there are plenty I just ignore lol.

[emmaverybo]

141. Good idea. Thanks.

[JI7]

93. Biden Supporters are more likely to support Beto O'Rourke

since they have the same base .

but i think Warren can maybe win over some black women and make some if those states more competitive.

[Gothmog]

104. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available

[highplainsdem]

105. LOL at Green's fantasy that Biden supporters are "ready to bolt."

But considering how far both Warren and Sanders are behind Biden in most polls, I guess their supporters need to cling to their fantasies.

[BlueTsunami2018]

106. I'm not "ready to bolt".

I like Elizabeth Warren. I’m probably most closely aligned with her policies but I just don’t think she can win the general. All I care about is getting rid of this disgrace.

[JI7]

123. how about Beto ?

[BlueTsunami2018]

124. I thought he ran a great campaign against Cruz.

But I don’t see why he should be President because of it. I like him well enough, don’t see him winning either.

[JI7]

125. i think he may have a better ground game and GOTV than Biden

it's too early to show in the polls right now but we will see it as we get closer to voting.

[KayF]

109. this is a mistake

Biden supporters should be baked.

[ecstatic]

127. Promise to lock up trump and the election is yours. nt

[marylandblue]

150. "The two big honeypots for Warren are actually Biden supporters and undecided voters"

Ignore this sentence and you miss the wjole reason for the strategy. They are going after Biden voters not because they are ready to bolt, but because that's where the votes are. Sort of like why bank robbers rob banks.

The strategy is also based on what's been happening lately with Warren. The more people listen to her, the more they like her. If so, then getting her message to Biden voters can snag her voters who may not have considered her before.