Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhy did Cory Booker vote against Bernie Sanders Amendment to allow drugs to be imported from Canada?
Amy Klobacher and others supported it because it would help Americans with the high price of drugs
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shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,130 posts)are too darn high, and the American people, especially those who can least afford it are being hurt by it
I will say this, Bernie was ahead of everyone else on this issue
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)on the very same day that they voted against the poorly worded BS amendment.
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Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)Plus his criticism of Obama over Bain Capital and now his piling on of Joe Biden. Too many strikes against him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(10,154 posts)(STAT, Boston Globe Media Partners, Feb, 2019) "For a senator from pharma-centric New Jersey, it was no small decision. In his most recent election cycle, in 2014, Booker received $223,350 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry and its employees. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the haul was the largest of any lawmaker, and among Democrats, almost twice the total of the lawmaker with the next-highest funding."
https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/12/cory-booker-presidential-run-pharmaceutical-industry-ties/
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marybourg
(12,618 posts)from N.J would have a hard time voting against the economic interest of his constituents, even apart from the money.
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Zoonart
(11,849 posts)BTW are his constituencies as they are major employers in NJ. Sometimes you have to vote for your constituants and not for the constiruants in other states. You will find many similar votes by Senators in states where their personal beliefs and th best interests of the entire country do not align.
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sop
(10,154 posts)"Sen. Cory Booker received $1.87 million from the securities and investment industry, making him the top recipient of Wall Street money this election cycle, according to federal election donations analyzed by the Center for Responsive Politics...Republican Mitch McConnell got the second highest draw from Wall Street $1.26 million...Booker also received more money from real estate groups than any other member, as well as more from the entertainment and tech industries, accountants, and groups considered to be pro-Israel."
https://www.wnyc.org/story/booker-gets-more-wall-street-any-house-senate-member/
Harris and Gillibrand are also up there along with Booker.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/21849/booker-harris-wall-street-banks-private-equity-2020-campaign-donations
Recent articles state Booker has dialed back his Wall Strret fundraising, anticipating a run for the presidency I would assume.
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customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Big Pharma owns NJ politicians, the same way Boeing owned WA politicians when I was living there.
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AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Most pharmacy companies are headquartered in NJ. Vermont manufactures have some DOD contracts.
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karynnj
(59,501 posts)Vermont really is not a big manufacturing state.
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nycbos
(6,034 posts)I believe the F-35 the plane that cost $1 trillion and doesn't work has parts made in 46 states including Vermont.
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karynnj
(59,501 posts)small percent of Vermont's economy. What was said is MORE true of almost all states.
As ro the F35, the issue is NOT manufacturing, but that the entire delegation, over protests of people in the area, worked to get the South Burlington Vermont National Guard on the list of NG bases using the F17s to have those planes replaced with the F35s. The reason given is that otherwise they could be left with no mission and closed down.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....Canadian drugs aren't manufactured, inspected, and packaged under strict FDA guidelines.
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Those crazy Canadians...
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._870/page-2.html#h-567800
Booker responded to misleading spin shortly after the vote:
On the same day (Jan. 11, 2017) Booker voted for a second amendment that would have accomplished the same goal.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00021
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2017/01/11/senate-section/article/S260-1
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Because, and I'm just guessing here, they would have already been inspected on the way in or during the manufacturing process if they were made there?
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)There is no guarantee that the drug has not been adulterated in the interim between its manufacturing and its exportation.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._870/page-2.html#h-567800
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)sitting on a shelf before somebody buys it. At some point you have to call it good and trust people. If prescription drugs sitting in a warehouse in Canada are good enough for the Canadians, then those same drugs from that same warehouse are good enough for anybody.
Edit: Grammar
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)once they're on their way to export?
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/criminal-investigations/april-13-2018-canadian-drug-firm-admits-selling-counterfeit-and-misbranded-prescription-drugs
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)The Food and Drug Administration on Thursday said a major Canadian drug distributor was selling unapproved and mislabeled medicines to unsuspecting Americans looking to save money on prescriptions, and warned it to stop.
Some very interesting reading. The prescription drugs being exported to the US aren't always the same being sold to "those crazy Canadians".
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/canarx-services-inc-554740-02262019
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Seems in this case not everyone is confident of the FDA's sincerity and are generally ignoring their "warning" in favor of buying cheaper prescription drugs. It's also interesting, in your words, that the FDA sat on this "information" for 10 years before saying anything about it and that they had no reports of anyone who bought drugs from CanaRx having come to harm. Then again, Trump has publicly said he would be open to the U.S importing drugs from Canada, a stance that probably doesn't sit well with drug manufacturers. Could be a coincidence. But then that would mean that some people in the FDA might be influenced by pharmaceutical company lobbyists, which of course could never happen...
"Sometimes a bargain is too expensive," says Peter Pitts, a former FDA associate commissioner (from 2000 to 2004)who is now president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest, a New York-based nonprofit that receives some of its funding from drugmakers.
Pitts, who applauds the FDA action, says it's difficult for consumers to know when their pills from foreign pharmacies don't have the correct potency or ingredients. He says doctors may also not realize a patient's problem stems from issues with the medicine. Instead, the physicians may just change the medication's dosage. He says it is not safe for Americans to buy drugs that are imported through foreign pharmacies.
Oh, oops. Welp...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)who buy from Canadian pharmacies, too.
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tishaLA
(14,176 posts)the bill didn't have a protection to ensure the safety of the medications. But I don't really see Canadians dying from taking dangerous, Ottawa-manufactured meds, TBH
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lapucelle
(18,245 posts)It does not offer the same protections when drugs are exported.
That's why Booker, Casey, and Coons all voted for a different amendment to accomplish the same goals on the very day that they voted against the poorly worded BS amendment.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._870/page-2.html#h-567800
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,245 posts)This whole "controversy" was debunked in January 2017, shortly after the vote.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Please see post #37 above.
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Bradshaw3
(7,510 posts)Third post from the same poster attacking Booker and I'm only halfway through the first page. Revenge posting for criticizing Biden?
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still_one
(92,130 posts)against Biden and Sanders. I see very little vetting on the other candidates. Yes, there has been some on Kamala Harris, who was actually my initial choice, then I choose Biden, and now I am undecided, with a bias toward Warren, but I am waiting until the debates
The NY Times had a series of excellent questions for the Democratic candidates. All choose to participate except Joe Biden, which I don't think is a very good thing
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-candidate-interviews.html
If you don't subscribe to the NY Times, as I don't, they allow 10 free reads per month
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karynnj
(59,501 posts)Same as Biden voting for the terrible bankruptcy bills.
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still_one
(92,130 posts)allow student loans to be included
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lark
(23,091 posts)Of course he is better than drumpf, and I would vote for him in the General if he's our candidate - which I sincerely doubt because he has always been more on the side of big pharma than he is the working class.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bornsunny
(32 posts)who was on the side of big credit card companies instead of the working class, not to mention that he likes cozying up to billionaire donors and promising the rich that nothing will fundamentally change. Maybe he won't be the nominee because of this, but he's still better than drumpf I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Just so happens Massachusetts is filled with medical device manufacturers who called her up, and she suddenly was against the tax.
The medical device tax was relatively small (2.3% of device value); but, the idea of making those who profit from our so-called health care system help pay for it is huge. Point is, Warren is not so different from other politicians.
As to Booker and drugs -- I'm relatively satisfied by what he has done recently to lower drug prices:
1/1/2019
"WASHINGTON, D.C. U.S. Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) today joined U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and more than a dozen colleagues in the House and Senate to introduce sweeping reforms that would reduce prescription drug prices in the United States.
"The plan to reduce the skyrocketing cost of prescription drugs includes three bills:
"1. The Prescription Drug Price Relief Act, which would peg the price of prescription drugs in the United States to the median price in five major countries: Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Japan;
"2. The Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act, which would direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to negotiate lower prices for prescription drugs under Medicare Part D;
"3. The Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act, which would allow patients, pharmacists and wholesalers to import safe, affordable medicine from Canada and other major countries. This bill was originally introduced by Senators Booker, Sanders, and Bob Casey (D-PA) in 2017. . . . . ."
https://www.booker.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=882
Apparently, #3 above is the Bill he is being criticized for opposing with consumer protections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,130 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden