Do you agree with Bernie Sanders that Biden 'owes the country an apology' on 'civility' remarks?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[Gothmog]

1. No

[shanny]

2. also too: do you like push polls?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. What's a push poll?

Is not one man's push poll another man's objective poll?

[HerbChestnut]

5. On a site where Bernie is criticized for just about anything he does or says,

this could be construed as a push poll that caters to one's confirmation bias.

[shanny]

6. No. As I am sure you are aware.

An objective poll might ask if a Democratic candidate should apologize for defending working with segregationists, in the name of civility.

You know, without names, so that you don't get knee-jerk reactions from haters of one or lovers of the other.

It is kind of like the way progressive policies are wildly popular when polled...if you don't attach the word "Democratic" or "soshulist" to them.

[Scurrilous]

3. He certainly doesn't owe these people an apology on civility.

[shanny]

7. How about black people?

[Kahuna7]

8. I'm black. He doesn't owe me an apology.

[shanny]

9. Do you speak for all black people?

[Kahuna7]

10. You didn't ask ALL black people.

[shanny]

11. I didn't ask "black people," I asked about black people,

and specifically I didn't ask you.

[Kahuna7]

12. People in glass houses. That's all I have to say...

You don't want to go there. Cause your person has some baggage too. It'll come out. Just watch.

[shanny]

15. what are you talking about?

my "person"? Do you mean the candidate I prefer but am not emotionally invested in because I consider that to be dumb and counter-productive? that person?


smh

btw I'll let you in on a secret: Warren is not my favorite; I just think she's the most electable among those I like.

[emulatorloo]

30. You didn't like the answer, but that's the poster's reality. Probable best to let go and move on.

Warren’s great! I’d love to see you write a great OP about her.

[oldsoftie]

36. HA!

[True Blue American]

86. No one speaks for every one

But you got your answer!

[Skya Rhen]

13. I'm black too and he said nothing wrong. Most black people feel the same way, much to the chagrin

of some, I am sure.

[shanny]

14. OK, that's 2

[Kahuna7]

16. "In South Carolina, Voters Blame Media for Amplifying"

Black people aren't as weak minded or petty (TV pundits aside) as some might want to think.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-south-carolina-voters-blame-media-for-amplifying-bidens-missteps?source=twitter&via=desktop

[shanny]

17. fuck that shit

I don't think black people are weak minded or petty.



Good-bye.

[NYMinute]

19. It was funny how Bernie had a bunch of African Americans

behind him on stage -- 3 of whom voted for Jill Stein.

It shows Bernie doesn't really value black people - he only uses them as props to make people think his campaign is diverse.

Having lived in Vermont, Senator BS can never relate to anything that has to do with segregation.

There is one clue however, when the segregation battle was on, he ran away from diverse Brooklyn to the 99% white Vermont.

[shanny]

48. Why are you talking about Bernie?

[NYMinute]

54. Am I not allowed to?

[shanny]

75. Oh sure

I should have asked why you chose to talk to me about Bernie.

[George II]

61. Isn't he in the subject line and the OP asking about how we feel about his opinion?

[emulatorloo]

33. There's no point insulting people because they gave an answer you don't like.

Take care of yourself and write a good OP about Elizabeth Warren. She’s on my shortlist and I would love to hear your take on her!

[True Blue American]

87. This is why

So many are Democrats, they think for themselves.

[Kahuna7]

18. And then there's this...

[George II]

62. Awkward!

[Cha]

42. He doesn't owe John Lewis or James Clyburn

an "apology", either.

[John Fante]

32. He doesn't owe anyone an apology.

Taking quotes out of context is straight from the reich-wing playbook.

How is Biden being uncivil to black people?

[democratisphere]

29. drumpflicons from hell.

[mtnsnake]

20. No, but maybe he should apoloize for running in 2020

and hurting the chances of so many better candidates who have a much better chance of beating Trump than he has.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. That's not what the data indicates

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

[mtnsnake]

22. Unfortunately for Joe, polls this early just don't mean a thing, and history bears that out.

Besides, the only reason he is polling this high is because he was leading in the polls BEFORE he even entered the race due to name recognition only and having the luxury of riding Obama's coat tails, and hardly anyone in this country had even heard of so many of our other candidates at that time. Then when he finally announced, his numbers remained high only because people jumped on the Poll Bandwagon because they still weren't familiar with the others. Joe's poll numbers will be entering into a free fall soon enough, which will be a good thing for us because he is the candidate most likely to lose to Trump, IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. You may or not be correct but the data shows he is polling well against Trump.

[mtnsnake]

25. I remember someone else who was polling well against Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Who

[mtnsnake]

27. I tihnk you know who I'm talking about but it's Hillary of course

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Hillary

Hillary =/= Joe?

[oldsoftie]

39. Hillary also had high negatives. Biden does not.

Like it or not, EVERY poll for the '16 election showed that neither candidate was very well liked

[mtnsnake]

45. Biden has as much or more baggage as Hillary

Much of Hillary's baggage wasn't even real. It was due to the Right Wing slandering her with outlandish lies for decades. Biden's baggage is real. It was brought upon by himself. His vote for he Iraq War, his Crime Bill of 1994, his handling of Anita Hill, touchy feely issues with women and girls, and he's a walking gaffe machine. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Drunken Irishman]

56. Hillary's baggage reinforced the image she was corrupt.

Biden's baggage isn't anywhere near that level. No one thinks Biden is a corrupt politician. Ultimately, Hillary would have won anyway had it not been for the Comey Letter during the 11th hour of the campaign. They're not comparable.

[oldsoftie]

57. Not according to the polls. And what people think is all that matters.

If he's a walking gaffe machine, that will show itself as the campaign rolls along. Whether it matters to voters or not, we'll see. Trump made an untold number of gaffes and his supporters didnt care. Still dont.
Many of the other issues you mention werent a problem when Biden was Obama's VP candidate. But NOW all of a sudden, it IS a problem. Purity tests. Bullshit.
Take a poll today and see which one is more popular. It'll still be Biden

[George II]

64. He travels a lot.

[oldsoftie]

38. Thats the silliest thing i've heard here. Today anyway

[Cha]

43. Bull.

[JI7]

50. if they are better they will beat him like Obama did. in fact Obama even defended him in the primar

[George II]

63. So you think the candidate who is way ahead in most polls should apologize for being so good.

[onetexan]

71. BINGO

[emmaverybo]

76. If they are better candidates then Biden can't hurt their chances. The truth will out.

[R B Garr]

23. I saw a white man, Bernie, down in the polls.....

demanding an apology. Meanwhile, Clyburn and John Lewis manage to understand what was meant and aren’t inflammatory. I’ll stick with them. No cheap shots by politicians behind in the polls.

[democratisphere]

31. Joe Biden is a uniter, not a divider.

Let's EXAMINE the dividers.

[R B Garr]

73. Agreed. Joe is not taking cheap shots at other Democrats.

Examining the dividers is a great idea.

[Cha]

44. Perfect reply, RB!

[R B Garr]

72. Thanks Cha!

Good to see you.

[Cha]

74. Good to see you, too...

always!

[Eric J in MN]

81. And how did you view Cory Booker? NT

NT

[LakeArenal]

34. Ummmmm. Hell no.

[Croney]

35. I really don't know who would have the appropriate standing to demand an apology from someone,

about something not directly related to himself, but Bernie Sanders would be low down on my list of possibilities.

[Cha]

46. Excellent reply!

[Skya Rhen]

49. This!!! +1,000,000

[treestar]

55. the whole "demanding an apology" thing is stupid anyway

it makes the demander look really sanctimonious.

[emmaverybo]

77. Hit it out if the park.

[Jarqui]

37. This is lousy politics for the Dems - not a claim of real substance in my opinion nt

[stonecutter357]

40. hell no ...

[defacto7]

41. No matter what side you stand on this issue,

political appologies are a dime a dozen and I don't take them seriously. I don't know why it matters to argue about it. I consider the facts, consider the source, and make decisions accordingly. The rest is a waste of energy.

[ecstatic]

47. No and I can't believe we're still talking about this. It doesn't matter.

I don't know a single person who was actually hurt by his comments, and the people shouting about his comments are all doing it on behalf of others who were supposedly hurt.

Meanwhile, we have real problems that need to be resolved. At the fish fry, I learned that Castro is the only candidate with a police reform plan. Why the fck aren't we talking about that?

If people actually care about black voters and the issues we actually face, why aren't we talking about police reform?! I don't give a shit what Biden said at a private fundraiser. But congrats, he's now unelectable. People like my brother will not vote for someone who they've heard is a racist. Mission accomplished... I guess.

[emmaverybo]

79. I was impressed by Castro when he gave the keynote for Dems 2012. I'd like to know more about

his plan.

[wasupaloopa]

51. Go away Bernie please.

[treestar]

52. When Bernie apologizes for his essays

Good grief, can't Bernie campaign for himself rather than against Biden?

[Eric J in MN]

82. Last week is more recent than 1972. NT

NT

[Cha]

88. I wish some pundit would ask

BS if he thinks he should apologize for them.

[stopbush]

53. Another opportunistic, self-serving, "I'm not really a D" move by Sanders.

It’s clear that 2020 will be a rerun of 2016, with Sanders staying in the race way after he’s relevant, hurting our nominee in the process.

He’s already taking potshots at the “corporate wing of the D party.” I expect it to get worse as he inevitably falls in the polls.

[True Blue American]

89. Especially

When Bernie called Elizabeth a ,” Corporatist!” His rants remind us of Trump this time around.

The whiskey ain’t working’ any more!

[BlueMTexpat]

58. There are very few things

about which I agree with SBS.

[Autumn]

59. Do you agree with the other candidates who have said Biden should apologize?

Booker, Harris, Gillibrand come to mind. If you are parsing Bernie's statement only who do you think that they want the apology aimed at? It would be silly for them to demand an apology for themselves.

[George II]

65. Do you agree with the candidates who haven't said Biden should apologize?

BTW, all of the candidates who are claiming Biden should apologize are all floundering in the polls.

[Autumn]

66. I don't care what he does. Biden can apologize or not, it means nothing to me.

[George II]

67. Then why did you post this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=162958

59. Do you agree with the other candidates who have said Biden should apologize?

Booker, Harris, Gillibrand come to mind. If you are parsing Bernie's statement only who do you think that they want the apology aimed at? It would be silly for them to demand an apology for themselves.

[Autumn]

68. It was my response to the OP's poll question.

"Do you agree with Bernie Sanders that Biden 'owes the country an apology' on 'civility' remarks?

[George II]

69. So you do care. That's good to know.

[Autumn]

70. See it how you want. Just curious to see if the Op will do a poll on each candidate who thinks

Biden should apologize.

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. Nope. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

78. I'm still trying to understand ...

… how this non-story has become a “thing”.

Biden did not “praise” or “extol the virtues of” the people he mentioned, nor did he “wax nostalgic” for the bad ol’ days – terms currently being bandied about.

He mentioned two people who were, at their core, the opposite of his own core beliefs – and went on to say that despite their differences, they were able to treat each other civilly and work together productively.

I’m not seeing the issue – or what some people are determined to make into an issue.

As for Bernie, I'm not terribly interested in anything he has to say - in fact, I am not interested at all.

[Eric J in MN]

83. Joe Biden's point was that the Senate was better in the 1970s. It was nostalgic. NT

NT

[NanceGreggs]

84. So saying it was better when ...

... congress critters could actually put personal issues aside and work together for the betterment of everyone is a BAD THING?

Who knew?

[True Blue American]

90. No! The Senate did

Follow some rules of civility back then. Today, under McConnell that is gone but keep in mind the vicious Racists are now emboldened by McConnell, Trump and their enablers.

[Eric J in MN]

91. What did a Senator say to another which wasn't civil this decade? NT

NT

[True Blue American]

92. You have to be joking!

Turn on CSPAN 2 and watch!

[Eric J in MN]

80. Cory Booker said that first and Bernie said he agreed with Booker. NT

NT

[Mike Nelson]

85. This is such an odd...

… "issue" to have taken the spotlight... both men have not done themselves any good on this so-called flub. At first, I thought Biden acted correctly by denying he was "racist" in that he denied something that wasn't accused. Although that is dishonest, it can end a conversation you don't want to have... but, it didn't work... And, Bernie jumping on the bandwagon by calling for an apology to the country! Good grief!