Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoy Reid, an anti gay bigot, let Jason Johnson lie to our faces about a gay candidate
on a supposedly liberal network. Jason Johnson flat out lied about the man who was shot by police being unarmed. He had a knife, literally no one has disputed that. Joy Reid didn't challenge him at all on this. He also was totally dishonest about the context of his telling a black person he wasn't asking for her vote. The voter had accused him of being at the vigil only to get votes. It was in answer to that, that he said he didn't want her vote. If Ronan Farrow had written posts about blacks as racist as Joy's posts were about gays he would have been fired faster than you could type fired. He surely would have been fired for letting a journalist lie about Cory Booker as blatantly as Jason Johnson lied about Mayor Pete.
https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)As for Jason Johnson and The Root, I'm not surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Has she said that she has a problem with people who are gay? I'm not too familiar with her, so am asking a genuine question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)completed its investigation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)She originally claimed she was hacked as an excuse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)Link to tweet
/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E986676411711750144&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F4%2F27%2F17286392%2Fjoy-reid-msnbc-lgbtq-gay-hack
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The second one is just trying to explain other people's reactions or thoughts or beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, in healthy discourse on a topic.
Not sure why someone added red lines. That's an indication that the post has been doctored.
So maybe both posts were doctored, to begin with.
In any case, these are ancient. And she's not famous or important or influential, that I know of.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The screen caps were underlined to emphasize, but those original blog entries existed in the Wayback Machine. So unless someone hacked her blog AND the Wayback Machine (pro-tip, didnt happen), youre just defending someone who has proven not to be an ally of lgbtq people.
Not to mention she has NEVER apologized for this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dsc
(52,130 posts)That person had a link to each and everyone of their posts and it was from the wayback machine. Now as to what the problem is with the 2nd post. LGBT teens are, by far, the highest risk of suicide and the mindset she endorses (and make no mistake she endorses it) is why many gay adults won't help gay youth. I am not that old but when I was a teen LGBT centers and helplines wouldn't help anyone under 18 for fear of being accused of this very thing. Gay kids died because of the thoughts behind posts like these.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)Can I ask how old you are?
17. Next month.
Ooh. Thats tough, my friend. I dont have any resources available for minors.
I just wanna know where I can meet other people like me. Im kinda desperate. I dont know anybody. Cant I come to one of the things you were talking about?
Yeah, well, heres the thing. If youre under 18, most organizations wont be able to welcome you. There are legal problems and consequences. Im very sorry.
I just! Please. Do you know how hard it was for me to call? Cant you tell me anything?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)Timing of the sign in the summer also was considered, Davis continued. We have to be very mindful of the hundreds of minors that are on campus during the summer which further complicates an environment that is normally programmed for adults and our very meaningful conversations about ourselves and our world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)When someone went into the text and changed it in any way, that's altering it.
In proper writing, when that is done, the text is in quotes, then afterwards the alteration person says "emphasis added." To make it clear that all that was changed was the addition of underlining.
On social media, that makes the text suspect, since this isn't proper writing. Just my opinion on that one.
But I don't care for her, anyway, which is why I don't know much about her. I never watch her show.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)There is something absolutely wrong about her 'explanation." The red lines are a highlighting mechanism, which you are well aware of. She has a show on a major cable network so of course she's influential. Not your best effort in an attempt be be contrarian.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Google her name and her comments. Shes a homophobe. Period.
Never even had the fucking ovaries to own up to it. I despise her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But the posts were many years ago, and she denied it. I didn't research it, read the posts or emails, and I don't really remember the details, if I even read them. Because I didn't care for her, to begin with. I've never seen her show. But I did dismiss the charges, sort of, because they were so old.
Opinions of gay marriage and such have changed drastically in the last decade. If you remember, there was gay marriage advocacy going on in the 2004 election, and it was an unpopular thing at the time. Most of the country wasn't in favor of gay marriage, as I recall, and esp didn't want it to be a political issue. I think the gay marriage issue was being talked about by the candidates who weren't in the running, really, for the nomination. It was not a widely held position.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Now, she's an advocate for LGBTQ rights.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)she has never said she wrote those posts. She claimed she was hacked and to my knowledge has never backed down from those claims (she has admitted she can't prove them).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,965 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)to claim she DID NOT apologize is despicable. It is untrue and you know it. I am NOT saying you have to accept it, but tell the TRUTH.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/business/media/joy-reid-msnbc-apology.html
MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/
Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111
MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html
Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/
and on and on and on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)She's still a piece of shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)as is seen throughout this thread by several posters...?
I have repeatedly reiterated the belief that no one has to accept anyone's apology but to deny it was ever made (and in fact repeatedly made) is not consistent with our side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)She doesn't believe she wrote that. She's a fucking lying homophobe. Fuck her.
Why DU is so obsessed with talking heads is beyond me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Wrote really fucking homophobic stuff. She "doesn't believe she wrote it". She was hacked. My. Ass.
Keep defending a known homophobe and liar, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Did she ever say I'm sorry I personally wrote those horrible things?
Nope.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)while excoriating someone else for purportedly doing likewise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)She never gave a proper apology. Put a Republican in that situation. We wouldn't accept that non-apology, especially after exacerbating the situation by LYING about being hacked.
She never said she was sorry about writing those things, or said she was sorry for lying about being hacked.
Unless you have a quote not in the links you sent?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)I am not defending her tweets. But I AM defending the record--the truth.
That you do not believe it important to be truthful as a progressive when you accuse others of lying as well is just sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)If you wouldn't accept it from a Republican, then why accept it from a Democrat.
So, unless you have an actual quote apologizing for claiming to be hacked and saying terrible things, then why keep arguing?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)That is a tactic we expect from the other side. It is indefensible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Do you hold the same hard line?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I never claimed you supported him in my post. Just asked if you held the same hard line.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I was simply wondering if you would hold the same hard line. Seems you don't want to comment. All good. Double standards for men and women is quite common.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I am not, nor have I ever been a supporter of Sanders. I am calling out Joy Reid. If Bernie said equally horrible homophobic things, and didnt apologize then he should be called out as well.
You are trying to reframe this to suit your agenda. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Homophobia is never ok, whether it come from men or women.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)But you are familiar with what JR wrote? Seems knowing one would be a bit more important in the big picture.
This is what Sanders was promoting to the public.
A woman enjoys intercourse with her man as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.
The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting. - Bernie Sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)30 years ago, I was 9. I had no idea who Bernie Sanders was. He didnt pop up on my radar until a few years ago. I disagreed with a lot of his policies (especially wrt to systemic racism), and never gave him a second look. So, no. I never knew he wrote that. It is, however, deplorable. I wont say much more as denigrating Bernie is forbidden in DUs TOS.
Once again, this thread is about Joy Reid, not Bernie Sanders. So I still fail to see why you brought him up? Its obvious I dont support him. Youre trying to turn my rejection of homophobia into hidden sexism, and that is NOT cool. Take your agenda elsewhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I'be been consistent and clear on my reasoning. I see you don't. I have accepted that and understand you won't address the question. All good.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I just said it was fucking deplorable. You know damn well if I started a thread denigrating Sanders over this that Id quickly garner a pizza.
This isnt an either or thing. Take your agenda elsewhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Trying to compare apple and oranges.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/business/media/joy-reid-msnbc-apology.html
MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/
Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111
MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html
Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/
and on and on and on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Shes an ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I stopped watching Joy back when she was given a pass for her anti gay comments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)so I watched that video.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)No one is perfect, and yes, this was a long time ago, but I've lost confidence in Joy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raine
(30,540 posts)I can't stand her!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)They have problems with his sexuality, but they won't admit that. It's all his fault that they don't like him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
disndat
(1,887 posts)as anybody, but we shouldn't be piling it on against Joy. She seems to be trying her best.
C'mon, give her a chance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(8,954 posts)And that is a good thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)was not to call more attention to it and thus move on, or heard it and decided to give the guest's intent the benefit of the doubt.
She has apologized for past comments and I am not one who will hold onto past grievances and mistakes like a starving dog with its bone. If I were, I'd scarcely talk to those who have derided and discriminated against ALL women from the very start of time to the present and whose open misogyny continues to this day. Not to mention those leaders of their own very important movements who have not bothered to be concerned with women's bodily autonomy until it became politically "convenient".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)You don't like Joy Reid. We got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)it provided no link and I didn't see it, so in point of fact I was giving her the benefit of the doubt by using apparently instead of saying she did. Trust me I won't make that mistake in the future since you decided to attack me for doing so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)most of the rest of us would reserve for the worst of the RW and Trumpers.
Did you ever forgive Obama for taking nearly two years to revert from his anti-gay marriage stance?
Honestly, if I held onto every damned grievance that directly impacts me and my issues, I'd have no one to support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)and literally writing that adult gays recruit children. Oh, and in real time, you can bet I criticized Obama and given that he waited until 2 days after my state overwhelmingly voted to ban marriage equality you can bet I wasn't keen on his timing, but since my dad died the next day I didn't post here about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)it-- is not only disheartening to me, but it portends very serious consequences in the coming election. Who will be left to stand that stands free of any and all perceived offenses?
Reid is not the enemy. Buttigieg is not the enemy. Biden is not the enemy. Your fellow Dems/Progessives with whom you may find elements of disagreement are not the enemy.
Trump and the RW are the enemy. Do we have to continually remind you of this? REALLY?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)that adult men recruit gay kids and refuses to admit having done so have evolved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)They do nothing to advance your or my causes/policies/philosophies but sure as hell will help the RW.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)She literally said I don't believe I posted these posts. That isn't an apology. That is gas lighting. A kid was just had his admission to Harvard revoked for racist stuff he wrote at age 16 and quite justifiably so. That was despite his having admitted he did it and offering a lame apology. It would be one thing if she said I did this, I am sorry I did this, I no longer believe this because of people like Jonathan Capehart (who was on her panel the day you are claiming she apologized) but that isn't what she did. I watched that panel. You can't gas light me on this. She blamed others and claimed she didn't do it and claimed she had evolved from her posts which were less bad. It is still extremely hard in many areas to be a gay teacher precisely because of the line she was touting in her posts that were in 2008 not 1958. If she were to ever offer a real apology I might actually accept that. Instead she is like a drunk who trashed your house at a party and claims not to remember but they are going to change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/
Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111
MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html
Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/
and on and on and on.
I'm done. This kind of disingenuous accusation of "non-apology" against Reid for past mistakes for which she repeatedly tried to apologize and repeatedly posted over and over gives me pause. What is your real motivation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things because they are completely alien to me. But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted, have written in the past, why some people dont believe me, she said. For that, I am truly, truly sorry.
That is exactly and precisely what I SAID SHE SAID. I said she said I DO NOT BELIEVE I WROTE THOSE HATEFUL THINGS. That isn't an apology that is gas lighting. And on the subject of gas lighting, the politico link doesn't address these posts at all (it addresses McCain and Ann Coulter). The deadline link I just got done quoting.
The money.cnn post doesn't address the anti gay posts more McCain and some border posts.
The variety.com post is about a different set of homophobic posts.
I won't waste a free NYT read on your NYT link. But of the ones that weren't behind fire walls, one was about the posts I mentioned and it BACKED ME UP IN WHAT I SAID SHE SAID. The rest didn't mention them at all. You owe me an abject apology for your straight splaining.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Honestly, how many times have you said those kind of (as YOU put it "god damned" words yourself)?
Seeing something we wrote long ago that does not reflect how one feels NOW will often elicit a comment or thought that "I can't believe I wrote/said/believed that).
That is how most would interpret her comments--Most who don't have OTHER reasons for holding her in such disdain.
But of course you could not possibly have other motivations in continually propagating that and intentionally misrepresenting her meaning, now could you? May your misdirected hate and contempt keep you warm.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)just how am I supposed to interpret I don't believe I wrote these words when she literally claimed she had been hacked. She literally claimed she told the FBI that someone hacked her blog and planted those words and then her 'apology' is I don't believe I wrote these words. How is this different from a drunk puking on your carpet and claiming I have no memory of doing this, I don't think I did it, but I understand why you think I did since I am a drunken sod.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)Yes, I did say God Damned in the post above it, that is one. You claimed I did so twice. Stop gas lighting me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)Don't like the message? Try desperately to third rail it by insinuating racism.
As for this-"I do not believe I wrote that" means she doesn't believe because she doesn't belive those views".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Enough said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)People show their ignorance when they try to speak for gay people. Sad to see here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)PIECE OF HUMAN SHIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, a bunch of them in the House and Senate too.
FOCUS PEOPLE
oh ,and he (rump) is a rapist too
Pete is not the enemy, Joy is not the enemy. Joy has issues but she is not a FASCIST NAZI KILLER and she gets a tremendous amount of TRUTH on the airwaves about the FASCIST NAZI KILLERS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)and let's be blunt if a gay journalist had posted in 2008 that he could understand why whites feared blacks, had a history of other racially insensitive posts, claimed he had been hacked but offered no proof, and still to this day didn't believe he posted the posts he wouldn't have a tv show, he wouldn't be writing for anything other than Fox News or Stormfront, and surely wouldn't be permitted to discuss any black person's campaign for so much as dog catcher on a liberal network..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
right over the head it goes
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Spot on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,475 posts)IMO any cop who deals with the public without turning on his body cam should be disciplined the first time and fired the next time.
If the body cam had been on and showed the shooting to have been justified whether the victim came at him with a knife or just had a knife wouldn't be an issue as the footage would've shown what really happened.
And then Mayor Pete maybe would've handled the protestors better. He's certainly got to get better with AA community relations, espescailly with the botched former police chief matter on his record
Why are so many blaming Joy Reid and Jason Johnson for a poorly handled confrontation with protestors?.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)IF
which means
Only one category better, Flawless. We focus on the surface flaws in all of our candidates while a NAZI FASCIST MURDERING RAPIST is running the show and is OWNED by another one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)cameras on. But that doesn't give journalists the right to make shit up. He wasn't unarmed. Everyone agrees he had a knife. And no matter what one thinks of how the protesters were handled it is nothing short of a lie to say what Johnson did in that video (and note the video of Pete with the protesters wasn't played in that clip) but the video clearly shows a woman shouting at him that he was only there to get our votes and that is when he said he didn't want her vote. Johnson's tale makes it sound like Pete stood up and said unprompted I don't want your votes. That is a bald faced lie,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)And that attitude and her views that she has espoused are RESPONSIBLE for deaths, abuses, torture, rape, etc.. They have enabled the hate in this country against LGBTQ. EFFF YUU. No, she does not get a pass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indykatie
(3,691 posts)if they apologize, renounce those old views and demonstrate they are no longer homophobic. For me that applies to journos and politicians too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)I literally provided a neutral link in this very thread which proved that. She literally blamed hackers and to this day denies having made the posts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Suck up and deal, Joy. Admit they were your posts and let the chips fall where they may.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bullwinkle428
(20,627 posts)it's documented that he was wielding a knife.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
no way, no how a gay journalist could have gotten away with being as racist as she was homophobic. If Anderson Cooper had written in blog posts in 2008 that he understood why white people fear blacks he would have been summarily fired especially if he lied about being hacked.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tulipsandroses
(5,094 posts)Let the investigation play out. How do you know he had a knife? Because a known racist police officer said so? And police don't lie right? Why would Joy challenge him? Because the default is that we should believe police? GTFOH! We can pull up story after story of police lying and planting evidence so I'm not sure why she needed to challenge him when it has NOT been proven that he had a knife. No camera, racist cops, transporting the man in the cop car instead of waiting for an ambulance, all of this looks above board. Sure. Police are not judge, jury and executioner.
See, I know some white folks don't think so, but black folks are supposed to have their day in court when they are accused of a crime. There needs to be an investigation. Even if it is proven that he had a knife, Do we know the officer followed protocol? Did he go after the police officer with the knife? We don't know yet. This police department has deep rooted racial issues.
What Mayor Pete couldnt fix about the South Bend cops
The fatal shooting that derailed Pete Buttigiegs campaign this week has a 7-year backstory.
[link:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/22/pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-227206|
But early last Sunday that all changed, when a white police officer in Buttigiegs South Bend police department who had been accused of excessive force in the past shot and killed a 54-year-old black man. Officials said the victim was rifling through parked cars and armed with a knife; the officer hadnt activated his body camera video and the camera on his dash hadnt switched on either so there was no independent record of the fatal encounter. Buttigieg left the campaign trail to deal with fallout from an encounter that almost instantly was swept into the fraught national debate over how police treat minorities in their communities.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It's years of mistrust between the police force and the community. After his initial mistake, he has been unable to build trust. It takes years to do that. But it pays off big when an incident like this happens because the community will give you the benefit of the doubt. Without that trust, they blame you for letting it happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He fired a goddamn police chief who was under FBI investigation because that is his job.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tulipsandroses
(5,094 posts)Lets follow that all the way through
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tulipsandroses
(5,094 posts)It takes years to rebuild trust. He's in a unique position to show the rest of the nation how to handle a situation like this. This is happening all across the country where black and brown people do not feel safe in their own communities. The reaction by politicians has not been adequate. Its important that he does not have the same ol same ol response that they have. It will set him apart from other politicians.
He can take the lead on this matter and show others around the country how it should be done, make sure the bad apples on the police force are rooted out. Take steps to make sure the community has a say so in policing the police.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)
could all be perfect, all the time. Until then, I'll take the Joy Reids, Mayor Petes, and Joe Bidens with all their flaws, over the Donald Trumps, Dick Cheneys and Mike Pences of the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Noted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amerigael
(10 posts)and so does everyone else. I have made mistakes for which I would like to be forgiven. I have apologized in person without any "buts" in my apologies only after realizing I have, at times past, attempted to offer excuses to semi-justify the thought process that brought me to those words or deeds for which I now apologize, whole-heartedly and without caveat. I did it, I said it, I was wrong. We are all at different stages in our own processes. I am a member of the LGBTQ community & I accept Joy's most evolved apology. I see she is trying to get it right. If she didn't care, she wouldn't try. You can feel free to dislike her forever if you wish, but that wouldn't work for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thank you. I love that one can find substantive conversation here rather than popularity queens, preoccupied with how many followers they have. Feels like home!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The irony is the first person to make a big issue out of some of Joy's ancient blog posts (Glenn Greenwald) gets into an absolute tizzy whenever his old racist, anti-immigrant, warmongering Bush-loving blog posts get thrown back in his face... And to this day I don't recall anyone calling motherfucking Greenwald a 'bigot'...
And don't worry, Glenn's smearing of Reid had absolutely NOTHING to do with her being a black woman opposing Trump -- Signed, the other dozen high profile black women politicians/pundits on Twitter who Glenn has regularly smeared like Imani Gandy, Kamala Harris and Donna Brazile (until she wrote her little tattletale book pissing all over Hillary, of course)...
And given your skepticism of Johnson and Reid, I must say I'm disappointed to see you accept the "official" police narrative of the incident without question, dsc. I don't think this is a battle you want to be on the wrong side of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Nope.
Shes a liar and a homophobe. I could have some empathy for her if she came clean, but I hate liars more than anything. Spineless. Shes never impressed me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)But what I am saying is if Reid's old blog is fair game then let's get every-fucking-body's out there and we'll see what's what...
Regardless, I have a bigger issue of "swallowing official police narrative after a racially motivated shooting" bullshit all in the name of stanning for a candidate, but that's just me...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)let that slide, right?
Not buying it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)He's way to arrogant and spends most of his time yelling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden