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dsc

(52,130 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:12 AM Jun 2019

Joy Reid, an anti gay bigot, let Jason Johnson lie to our faces about a gay candidate

on a supposedly liberal network. Jason Johnson flat out lied about the man who was shot by police being unarmed. He had a knife, literally no one has disputed that. Joy Reid didn't challenge him at all on this. He also was totally dishonest about the context of his telling a black person he wasn't asking for her vote. The voter had accused him of being at the vigil only to get votes. It was in answer to that, that he said he didn't want her vote. If Ronan Farrow had written posts about blacks as racist as Joy's posts were about gays he would have been fired faster than you could type fired. He surely would have been fired for letting a journalist lie about Cory Booker as blatantly as Jason Johnson lied about Mayor Pete.

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy

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Joy Reid, an anti gay bigot, let Jason Johnson lie to our faces about a gay candidate (Original Post) dsc Jun 2019 OP
Agreed. It would not even be close. Joy Reid should have been fired. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #1
She may be anti-Pete, but what makes you say she's anti-gay? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #2
Yes, she wrote anti-gay posts on an old blog. Then lied about it and said she was hacked. nt mr_liberal Jun 2019 #5
Isn't it premature to assume she wasn't hacked before the FBI has Jose Garcia Jun 2019 #66
She has acknowledged she wrote them. DrToast Jun 2019 #85
Here is a link that answers that question dsc Jun 2019 #9
The 1st one is a problem, if it's true. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #10
Neither post were doctored. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #13
The red lines were added to screen shots that the person put in their thread dsc Jun 2019 #16
And here is what I am referring to about adults not helping gay kids because of this mindset dsc Jun 2019 #22
Oh and something from just today with this mindset dsc Jun 2019 #28
Once you add something to a post, that's doctoring it, technically speaking. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #80
She suggested adult gay men look to "convert" young boys. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #48
Oh wow, you don't know about that? cwydro Jun 2019 #56
I heard something about it a while back. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #97
Yes! True Blue American Jun 2019 #77
She apologized for it (it was a long time ago) and has moved on... Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #3
No she hasn't dsc Jun 2019 #6
That is the sad part still_one Jun 2019 #8
She is vey ant Joe as well redstateblues Jun 2019 #11
False. She NEVER apologized. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #14
That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You may not like her apology; you may be unwilling to accept it, BUT hlthe2b Jun 2019 #64
Fine, she apologized AFTER she lied about not posting those thing and said she was hacked. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #67
and what do you call those who repeatedly post falsely that she never apologized? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #68
Her non-apology apology. Let's be honest. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #69
it certainly WOULD be good if you'd be honest about this... hlthe2b Jun 2019 #70
I am. Joy is a liar with a half-assed apology who still hasn't qcknowledged that she Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #71
You repeatedly falsely denied she ever made an apology. So, I ask, what does that make YOU? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #72
Did she ever say I am sorry for lying about being hacked? Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #73
Dupe posting...self deleted. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #74
Deflecting NOTED. The question is about your failing to tell the truth. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #75
I am telling the truth. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #76
You repeatedly lied about her apologies. Documented with links in prior posts. Shame on you. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #79
Read your links. Those are non-apologies. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #81
You don't have to accept the apologies, but you don't get to falsely deny they were made. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #82
Which is why I called them a non-apology. She also never acknowledged lying about being hacked. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #86
This. cwydro Jun 2019 #99
What does that make Sanders considering the essay he wrote in his thirties? SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #87
I don't support Bernie Sanders. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #88
Seems you don't support JR either. That didn't stop you from commenting. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #89
So why bring up Bernie? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #90
My question clearly flowed from the op and your comments. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #91
I have no idea what Bernie wrote 30 years ago. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #92
You don't know what Sanders wrote as an adult.... SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #93
I am familiar with what Joy wrote because it was all over the news last year. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #94
Again, wondering if you held the same hard line. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #95
What are you even talking about? Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #96
Bull. cwydro Jun 2019 #100
Yes, she did. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #65
She never apologized. cwydro Jun 2019 #98
I stopped watching Joy ... left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #4
me too but these comments came up here so I felt some context was required dsc Jun 2019 #7
I have her on ignore these days as well. Ilsa Jun 2019 #21
Me too Raine Jun 2019 #60
Some people are hell-bent on classifying Buttigieg as racist. LuvNewcastle Jun 2019 #12
I am against homophobia disndat Jun 2019 #15
Over time many have changed attitudes for the good Zambero Jun 2019 #17
Agree. She may well have not caught the comment, heard it but quickly decided the best approach hlthe2b Jun 2019 #19
apparently she said the comment herself today dsc Jun 2019 #25
"apparently"? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #29
Post 23 says she did dsc Jun 2019 #30
So, she made a mistake, which journalists & hosts do all the time. Yet you excoriate her in a way hlthe2b Jun 2019 #31
There is a difference between being slow to recognize the right to marriage dsc Jun 2019 #33
As did we all. That you seemingly refuse to accept that others can change, evolve, apologize & mean hlthe2b Jun 2019 #34
I don't think people who posted as a near 40 year old adult dsc Jun 2019 #40
You refuse to accept/even admit she apologized... I hope your grudges keep you warm at night hlthe2b Jun 2019 #42
because she didn't dsc Jun 2019 #45
She certainly DID: NYT: "Joy Reid, MSNBC Host, Apologizes Again as More Incendiary Blog ..." hlthe2b Jun 2019 #46
Here are the words from your own God Damned link dsc Jun 2019 #47
"I do not believe I wrote that" means she doesn't believe because she doesn't belive those views hlthe2b Jun 2019 #49
She said it in the context of having claimed to have been hacked dsc Jun 2019 #50
You cursed at me once and that's all you get. n/t hlthe2b Jun 2019 #52
please point out the curse word in that post dsc Jun 2019 #53
"Most who don't have OTHER reasons for " hypocrisy. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #59
speaking of "hypocritical" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #63
Yep. Thank you. cwydro Jun 2019 #101
Reading this thread it is almost as if people dont realize there is a NAZI FASCIST MURDERING Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #26
She has no credibility dsc Jun 2019 #27
... Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #32
Yep. cwydro Jun 2019 #104
Right. And isn't the issue the cop didn't have his body camera on? brush Jun 2019 #37
It is as if we have this ten carat diamond and it is rated as Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #39
I think he should be fired, if as Pete Buttigieg has said, cops were told to have those dsc Jun 2019 #43
Meanwhile-all you LGBTQ should just accept that Joy allows a gay candidate to be misrepresented. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #61
I'm Gay and Decided Long Ago To Forgive People Who Held Anti-Gay Views in Their Past Indykatie Jun 2019 #18
She didn't apologize dsc Jun 2019 #20
+1 hlthe2b Jun 2019 #36
She didn't apologize. She tried to weasel out. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #55
She just did it again - referred to the shooting victim as "unarmed" when bullwinkle428 Jun 2019 #23
again dsc Jun 2019 #24
She's a lightweight and I can't believe she actually has a show on MSNBC. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #35
This is getting so old on DU tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #38
The article highlights the real problem Pete has. marylandblue Jun 2019 #44
He didn't make a mistake leftofcool Jun 2019 #51
As far as how it played out politically, it was a mistake. marylandblue Jun 2019 #54
His job should also have been to follow up on the racism in the police force tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #58
Yes- tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #57
I wish people... Mike Nelson Jun 2019 #41
A most excellent point, Mr. Nelson. Maru Kitteh Jun 2019 #62
Great post. OnDoutside Jun 2019 #78
Good to know you support homophobia. cwydro Jun 2019 #102
You have a perfect right to feel as you do... Amerigael Jun 2019 #83
Welcome to DU Amerigeal. oasis Jun 2019 #84
Hi there! Amerigael Jun 2019 #110
We're back to smearing Joy Reid again? Dull... Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #103
Oh, so you swallow the whole "I got hacked" bullshit? cwydro Jun 2019 #105
No, I don't "swallow" it... Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #107
Yeah, and if some white person had an "old" blog where they used racist words, you'd just cwydro Jun 2019 #108
+1000 tishaLA Jun 2019 #106
Never liked Jason Johnson Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #109
 

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
1. Agreed. It would not even be close. Joy Reid should have been fired.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jun 2019

As for Jason Johnson and The Root, I'm not surprised.

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Honeycombe8

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2. She may be anti-Pete, but what makes you say she's anti-gay?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jun 2019

Has she said that she has a problem with people who are gay? I'm not too familiar with her, so am asking a genuine question.

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mr_liberal

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5. Yes, she wrote anti-gay posts on an old blog. Then lied about it and said she was hacked. nt
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jun 2019
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Jose Garcia

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66. Isn't it premature to assume she wasn't hacked before the FBI has
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:44 AM
Jun 2019

completed its investigation?

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
85. She has acknowledged she wrote them.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jun 2019

She originally claimed she was hacked as an excuse.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
9. Here is a link that answers that question
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jun 2019
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/27/17286392/joy-reid-msnbc-lgbtq-gay-hack


/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E986676411711750144&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F4%2F27%2F17286392%2Fjoy-reid-msnbc-lgbtq-gay-hack
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Honeycombe8

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10. The 1st one is a problem, if it's true.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jun 2019

The second one is just trying to explain other people's reactions or thoughts or beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, in healthy discourse on a topic.

Not sure why someone added red lines. That's an indication that the post has been doctored.

So maybe both posts were doctored, to begin with.

In any case, these are ancient. And she's not famous or important or influential, that I know of.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
13. Neither post were doctored.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jun 2019

The screen caps were underlined to emphasize, but those original blog entries existed in the Wayback Machine. So unless someone hacked her blog AND the Wayback Machine (pro-tip, didn’t happen), you’re just defending someone who has proven not to be an ally of lgbtq people.

Not to mention she has NEVER apologized for this.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
16. The red lines were added to screen shots that the person put in their thread
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jun 2019

That person had a link to each and everyone of their posts and it was from the wayback machine. Now as to what the problem is with the 2nd post. LGBT teens are, by far, the highest risk of suicide and the mindset she endorses (and make no mistake she endorses it) is why many gay adults won't help gay youth. I am not that old but when I was a teen LGBT centers and helplines wouldn't help anyone under 18 for fear of being accused of this very thing. Gay kids died because of the thoughts behind posts like these.

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dsc

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22. And here is what I am referring to about adults not helping gay kids because of this mindset
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:54 AM
Jun 2019
https://medium.com/james-finn/queer-teens-are-people-first-f70071ad9c70

“Can I ask how old you are?”

“17. Next month.”

“Ooh. That’s tough, my friend. I don’t have any resources available for minors.”

“I just wanna know where I can meet other people like me. I’m kinda desperate. I don’t know anybody. Can’t I come to one of the things you were talking about?”

“Yeah, well, here’s the thing. If you’re under 18, most organizations won’t be able to welcome you. There are legal problems and consequences. I’m very sorry.”

“I just! Please. Do you know how hard it was for me to call? Can’t you tell me anything?”
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dsc

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28. Oh and something from just today with this mindset
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jun 2019
http://www.newnownext.com/lady-gaga-glitter-quote-gay-arkansas-college-sign/06/2019/

“Timing of the sign in the summer also was considered,” Davis continued. “We have to be very mindful of the hundreds of minors that are on campus during the summer which further complicates an environment that is normally programmed for adults and our very meaningful conversations about ourselves and our world.”
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Honeycombe8

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80. Once you add something to a post, that's doctoring it, technically speaking.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:47 AM
Jun 2019

When someone went into the text and changed it in any way, that's altering it.

In proper writing, when that is done, the text is in quotes, then afterwards the alteration person says "emphasis added." To make it clear that all that was changed was the addition of underlining.

On social media, that makes the text suspect, since this isn't proper writing. Just my opinion on that one.

But I don't care for her, anyway, which is why I don't know much about her. I never watch her show.

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SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
48. She suggested adult gay men look to "convert" young boys.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jun 2019

There is something absolutely wrong about her 'explanation." The red lines are a highlighting mechanism, which you are well aware of. She has a show on a major cable network so of course she's influential. Not your best effort in an attempt be be contrarian.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
56. Oh wow, you don't know about that?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jun 2019

Google her name and her comments. She’s a homophobe. Period.

Never even had the fucking ovaries to own up to it. I despise her.

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Honeycombe8

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97. I heard something about it a while back.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jun 2019

But the posts were many years ago, and she denied it. I didn't research it, read the posts or emails, and I don't really remember the details, if I even read them. Because I didn't care for her, to begin with. I've never seen her show. But I did dismiss the charges, sort of, because they were so old.

Opinions of gay marriage and such have changed drastically in the last decade. If you remember, there was gay marriage advocacy going on in the 2004 election, and it was an unpopular thing at the time. Most of the country wasn't in favor of gay marriage, as I recall, and esp didn't want it to be a political issue. I think the gay marriage issue was being talked about by the candidates who weren't in the running, really, for the nomination. It was not a widely held position.

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Dennis Donovan

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3. She apologized for it (it was a long time ago) and has moved on...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jun 2019

Now, she's an advocate for LGBTQ rights.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
6. No she hasn't
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jun 2019

she has never said she wrote those posts. She claimed she was hacked and to my knowledge has never backed down from those claims (she has admitted she can't prove them).

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still_one

(91,965 posts)
8. That is the sad part
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jun 2019
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
11. She is vey ant Joe as well
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:05 AM
Jun 2019
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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
14. False. She NEVER apologized. nt
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jun 2019
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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
64. That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You may not like her apology; you may be unwilling to accept it, BUT
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:12 AM
Jun 2019

to claim she DID NOT apologize is despicable. It is untrue and you know it. I am NOT saying you have to accept it, but tell the TRUTH.

Joy Reid, MSNBC Host, Apologizes Again as More Incendiary Blog ..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/business/media/joy-reid-msnbc-apology.html

MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/

Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111

MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html

Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were ‘Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb’
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/

and on and on and on.



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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
67. Fine, she apologized AFTER she lied about not posting those thing and said she was hacked.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jun 2019

She's still a piece of shit.

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hlthe2b

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68. and what do you call those who repeatedly post falsely that she never apologized?
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:27 AM
Jun 2019

as is seen throughout this thread by several posters...?

I have repeatedly reiterated the belief that no one has to accept anyone's apology but to deny it was ever made (and in fact repeatedly made) is not consistent with our side.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
69. Her non-apology apology. Let's be honest.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:29 AM
Jun 2019

She doesn't believe she wrote that. She's a fucking lying homophobe. Fuck her.

Why DU is so obsessed with talking heads is beyond me.

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hlthe2b

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70. it certainly WOULD be good if you'd be honest about this...
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:30 AM
Jun 2019
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Dr Hobbitstein

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71. I am. Joy is a liar with a half-assed apology who still hasn't qcknowledged that she
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jun 2019

Wrote really fucking homophobic stuff. She "doesn't believe she wrote it". She was hacked. My. Ass.

Keep defending a known homophobe and liar, though.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
72. You repeatedly falsely denied she ever made an apology. So, I ask, what does that make YOU?
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:34 AM
Jun 2019
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Dr Hobbitstein

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73. Did she ever say I am sorry for lying about being hacked?
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:36 AM
Jun 2019

Did she ever say I'm sorry I personally wrote those horrible things?

Nope.

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hlthe2b

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74. Dupe posting...self deleted.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:39 AM
Jun 2019
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hlthe2b

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75. Deflecting NOTED. The question is about your failing to tell the truth.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:40 AM
Jun 2019

while excoriating someone else for purportedly doing likewise.

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Dr Hobbitstein

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76. I am telling the truth.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:44 AM
Jun 2019

She never gave a proper apology. Put a Republican in that situation. We wouldn't accept that non-apology, especially after exacerbating the situation by LYING about being hacked.

She never said she was sorry about writing those things, or said she was sorry for lying about being hacked.

Unless you have a quote not in the links you sent?

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
79. You repeatedly lied about her apologies. Documented with links in prior posts. Shame on you.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jun 2019

I am not defending her tweets. But I AM defending the record--the truth.

That you do not believe it important to be truthful as a progressive when you accuse others of lying as well is just sad.

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Dr Hobbitstein

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81. Read your links. Those are non-apologies.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:49 AM
Jun 2019

If you wouldn't accept it from a Republican, then why accept it from a Democrat.

So, unless you have an actual quote apologizing for claiming to be hacked and saying terrible things, then why keep arguing?

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
82. You don't have to accept the apologies, but you don't get to falsely deny they were made.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jun 2019

That is a tactic we expect from the other side. It is indefensible.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
86. Which is why I called them a non-apology. She also never acknowledged lying about being hacked. nt
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jun 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
87. What does that make Sanders considering the essay he wrote in his thirties?
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019

Do you hold the same hard line?

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Dr Hobbitstein

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88. I don't support Bernie Sanders. nt
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jun 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
89. Seems you don't support JR either. That didn't stop you from commenting.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jun 2019

I never claimed you supported him in my post. Just asked if you held the same hard line.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
91. My question clearly flowed from the op and your comments.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jun 2019

I was simply wondering if you would hold the same hard line. Seems you don't want to comment. All good. Double standards for men and women is quite common.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
92. I have no idea what Bernie wrote 30 years ago.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jun 2019

I am not, nor have I ever been a supporter of Sanders. I am calling out Joy Reid. If Bernie said equally horrible homophobic things, and didn’t apologize then he should be called out as well.

You are trying to reframe this to suit your agenda. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Homophobia is never ok, whether it come from men or women.

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SouthernProgressive

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93. You don't know what Sanders wrote as an adult....
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jun 2019

But you are familiar with what JR wrote? Seems knowing one would be a bit more important in the big picture.

This is what Sanders was promoting to the public.

A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday — and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting. - Bernie Sanders
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Dr Hobbitstein

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94. I am familiar with what Joy wrote because it was all over the news last year.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jun 2019

30 years ago, I was 9. I had no idea who Bernie Sanders was. He didn’t pop up on my radar until a few years ago. I disagreed with a lot of his policies (especially wrt to systemic racism), and never gave him a second look. So, no. I never knew he wrote that. It is, however, deplorable. I won’t say much more as denigrating Bernie is forbidden in DU’s TOS.

Once again, this thread is about Joy Reid, not Bernie Sanders. So I still fail to see why you brought him up? It’s obvious I don’t support him. You’re trying to turn my rejection of homophobia into hidden sexism, and that is NOT cool. Take your agenda elsewhere.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
95. Again, wondering if you held the same hard line.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jun 2019

I'be been consistent and clear on my reasoning. I see you don't. I have accepted that and understand you won't address the question. All good.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
96. What are you even talking about?
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jun 2019

I just said it was fucking deplorable. You know damn well if I started a thread denigrating Sanders over this that I’d quickly garner a pizza.

This isn’t an either or thing. Take your agenda elsewhere.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
100. Bull.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:20 AM
Jun 2019

Trying to compare apple and oranges.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
65. Yes, she did.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:15 AM
Jun 2019
DUers have every right to interpret the "quality" of an apology and accept or not as they deem fit. But to deny it ever occurred is deplorable. We are better than to disseminate "untruths" as the media likes to call them. It is sad to see some using this tactic.

Joy Reid, MSNBC Host, Apologizes Again as More Incendiary Blog ..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/business/media/joy-reid-msnbc-apology.html

MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/

Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111

MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html

Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were ‘Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb’
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/

and on and on and on.
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
98. She never apologized.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:18 AM
Jun 2019

She’s an ass.

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. I stopped watching Joy ...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:31 AM
Jun 2019

I stopped watching Joy back when she was given a pass for her anti gay comments.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
7. me too but these comments came up here so I felt some context was required
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

so I watched that video.

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Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
21. I have her on ignore these days as well.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:51 AM
Jun 2019

No one is perfect, and yes, this was a long time ago, but I've lost confidence in Joy.

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Raine

(30,540 posts)
60. Me too
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 01:47 AM
Jun 2019

I can't stand her!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
12. Some people are hell-bent on classifying Buttigieg as racist.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:15 AM
Jun 2019

They have problems with his sexuality, but they won't admit that. It's all his fault that they don't like him.

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disndat

(1,887 posts)
15. I am against homophobia
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jun 2019

as anybody, but we shouldn't be piling it on against Joy. She seems to be trying her best.
C'mon, give her a chance.

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Zambero

(8,954 posts)
17. Over time many have changed attitudes for the good
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019

And that is a good thing.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
19. Agree. She may well have not caught the comment, heard it but quickly decided the best approach
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jun 2019

was not to call more attention to it and thus move on, or heard it and decided to give the guest's intent the benefit of the doubt.

She has apologized for past comments and I am not one who will hold onto past grievances and mistakes like a starving dog with its bone. If I were, I'd scarcely talk to those who have derided and discriminated against ALL women from the very start of time to the present and whose open misogyny continues to this day. Not to mention those leaders of their own very important movements who have not bothered to be concerned with women's bodily autonomy until it became politically "convenient".

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
25. apparently she said the comment herself today
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jun 2019
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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
29. "apparently"?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:39 AM
Jun 2019


You don't like Joy Reid. We got it.
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dsc

(52,130 posts)
30. Post 23 says she did
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

it provided no link and I didn't see it, so in point of fact I was giving her the benefit of the doubt by using apparently instead of saying she did. Trust me I won't make that mistake in the future since you decided to attack me for doing so.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
31. So, she made a mistake, which journalists & hosts do all the time. Yet you excoriate her in a way
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jun 2019

most of the rest of us would reserve for the worst of the RW and Trumpers.

Did you ever forgive Obama for taking nearly two years to revert from his anti-gay marriage stance?

Honestly, if I held onto every damned grievance that directly impacts me and my issues, I'd have no one to support.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
33. There is a difference between being slow to recognize the right to marriage
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jun 2019

and literally writing that adult gays recruit children. Oh, and in real time, you can bet I criticized Obama and given that he waited until 2 days after my state overwhelmingly voted to ban marriage equality you can bet I wasn't keen on his timing, but since my dad died the next day I didn't post here about it.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
34. As did we all. That you seemingly refuse to accept that others can change, evolve, apologize & mean
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jun 2019

it-- is not only disheartening to me, but it portends very serious consequences in the coming election. Who will be left to stand that stands free of any and all perceived offenses?

Reid is not the enemy. Buttigieg is not the enemy. Biden is not the enemy. Your fellow Dems/Progessives with whom you may find elements of disagreement are not the enemy.

Trump and the RW are the enemy. Do we have to continually remind you of this? REALLY?

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
40. I don't think people who posted as a near 40 year old adult
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019

that adult men recruit gay kids and refuses to admit having done so have evolved.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
42. You refuse to accept/even admit she apologized... I hope your grudges keep you warm at night
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jun 2019

They do nothing to advance your or my causes/policies/philosophies but sure as hell will help the RW.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
45. because she didn't
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jun 2019

She literally said I don't believe I posted these posts. That isn't an apology. That is gas lighting. A kid was just had his admission to Harvard revoked for racist stuff he wrote at age 16 and quite justifiably so. That was despite his having admitted he did it and offering a lame apology. It would be one thing if she said I did this, I am sorry I did this, I no longer believe this because of people like Jonathan Capehart (who was on her panel the day you are claiming she apologized) but that isn't what she did. I watched that panel. You can't gas light me on this. She blamed others and claimed she didn't do it and claimed she had evolved from her posts which were less bad. It is still extremely hard in many areas to be a gay teacher precisely because of the line she was touting in her posts that were in 2008 not 1958. If she were to ever offer a real apology I might actually accept that. Instead she is like a drunk who trashed your house at a party and claims not to remember but they are going to change.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
46. She certainly DID: NYT: "Joy Reid, MSNBC Host, Apologizes Again as More Incendiary Blog ..."
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jun 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/business/media/joy-reid-msnbc-apology.html

MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hackinghttps://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/

Joy Reid apologizes after more controversial blog posts surface
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/01/joy-reid-old-blog-posts-apology-617111

MSNBC host Joy Reid apologizes for incendiary old blog posts
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/media/joy-reid-blog-msnbc/index.html

Joy Reid Apologizes for Old Homophobic Blog Posts: They Were ‘Insensitive, Tone Deaf and Dumb’
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/joy-reid-apologizes-homophobic-blog-posts-1202629278/

and on and on and on.

I'm done. This kind of disingenuous accusation of "non-apology" against Reid for past mistakes for which she repeatedly tried to apologize and repeatedly posted over and over gives me pause. What is your real motivation?
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dsc

(52,130 posts)
47. Here are the words from your own God Damned link
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jun 2019

I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things because they are completely alien to me. But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted, have written in the past, why some people don’t believe me,” she said. “For that, I am truly, truly sorry.”

That is exactly and precisely what I SAID SHE SAID. I said she said I DO NOT BELIEVE I WROTE THOSE HATEFUL THINGS. That isn't an apology that is gas lighting. And on the subject of gas lighting, the politico link doesn't address these posts at all (it addresses McCain and Ann Coulter). The deadline link I just got done quoting.

The money.cnn post doesn't address the anti gay posts more McCain and some border posts.

The variety.com post is about a different set of homophobic posts.

I won't waste a free NYT read on your NYT link. But of the ones that weren't behind fire walls, one was about the posts I mentioned and it BACKED ME UP IN WHAT I SAID SHE SAID. The rest didn't mention them at all. You owe me an abject apology for your straight splaining.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
49. "I do not believe I wrote that" means she doesn't believe because she doesn't belive those views
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jun 2019

Honestly, how many times have you said those kind of (as YOU put it "god damned" words yourself)?

Seeing something we wrote long ago that does not reflect how one feels NOW will often elicit a comment or thought that "I can't believe I wrote/said/believed that).

That is how most would interpret her comments--Most who don't have OTHER reasons for holding her in such disdain.

But of course you could not possibly have other motivations in continually propagating that and intentionally misrepresenting her meaning, now could you? May your misdirected hate and contempt keep you warm.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
50. She said it in the context of having claimed to have been hacked
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:04 PM
Jun 2019

just how am I supposed to interpret I don't believe I wrote these words when she literally claimed she had been hacked. She literally claimed she told the FBI that someone hacked her blog and planted those words and then her 'apology' is I don't believe I wrote these words. How is this different from a drunk puking on your carpet and claiming I have no memory of doing this, I don't think I did it, but I understand why you think I did since I am a drunken sod.

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
52. You cursed at me once and that's all you get. n/t
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jun 2019
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dsc

(52,130 posts)
53. please point out the curse word in that post
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jun 2019

Yes, I did say God Damned in the post above it, that is one. You claimed I did so twice. Stop gas lighting me.

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58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
59. "Most who don't have OTHER reasons for " hypocrisy.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 01:41 AM
Jun 2019

Don't like the message? Try desperately to third rail it by insinuating racism.
As for this-"I do not believe I wrote that" means she doesn't believe because she doesn't belive those views".

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hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
63. speaking of "hypocritical"
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:31 AM
Jun 2019

Enough said.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
101. Yep. Thank you.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:23 AM
Jun 2019

People show their ignorance when they try to speak for gay people. Sad to see here.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
26. Reading this thread it is almost as if people dont realize there is a NAZI FASCIST MURDERING
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jun 2019

PIECE OF HUMAN SHIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, a bunch of them in the House and Senate too.

FOCUS PEOPLE

oh ,and he (rump) is a rapist too

Pete is not the enemy, Joy is not the enemy. Joy has issues but she is not a FASCIST NAZI KILLER and she gets a tremendous amount of TRUTH on the airwaves about the FASCIST NAZI KILLERS.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
27. She has no credibility
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jun 2019

and let's be blunt if a gay journalist had posted in 2008 that he could understand why whites feared blacks, had a history of other racially insensitive posts, claimed he had been hacked but offered no proof, and still to this day didn't believe he posted the posts he wouldn't have a tv show, he wouldn't be writing for anything other than Fox News or Stormfront, and surely wouldn't be permitted to discuss any black person's campaign for so much as dog catcher on a liberal network..

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
32. ...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jun 2019


right over the head it goes
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
104. Yep.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jun 2019

Spot on.

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brush

(53,475 posts)
37. Right. And isn't the issue the cop didn't have his body camera on?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jun 2019

IMO any cop who deals with the public without turning on his body cam should be disciplined the first time and fired the next time.

If the body cam had been on and showed the shooting to have been justified whether the victim came at him with a knife or just had a knife wouldn't be an issue as the footage would've shown what really happened.

And then Mayor Pete maybe would've handled the protestors better. He's certainly got to get better with AA community relations, espescailly with the botched former police chief matter on his record

Why are so many blaming Joy Reid and Jason Johnson for a poorly handled confrontation with protestors?.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
39. It is as if we have this ten carat diamond and it is rated as
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:18 PM
Jun 2019

IF

which means

Flawless category (IF) diamonds have no inclusions visible under 10x magnification, only small blemishes on the diamond surface.


Only one category better, Flawless. We focus on the surface flaws in all of our candidates while a NAZI FASCIST MURDERING RAPIST is running the show and is OWNED by another one.
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dsc

(52,130 posts)
43. I think he should be fired, if as Pete Buttigieg has said, cops were told to have those
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019

cameras on. But that doesn't give journalists the right to make shit up. He wasn't unarmed. Everyone agrees he had a knife. And no matter what one thinks of how the protesters were handled it is nothing short of a lie to say what Johnson did in that video (and note the video of Pete with the protesters wasn't played in that clip) but the video clearly shows a woman shouting at him that he was only there to get our votes and that is when he said he didn't want her vote. Johnson's tale makes it sound like Pete stood up and said unprompted I don't want your votes. That is a bald faced lie,

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58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
61. Meanwhile-all you LGBTQ should just accept that Joy allows a gay candidate to be misrepresented.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 01:48 AM
Jun 2019

And that attitude and her views that she has espoused are RESPONSIBLE for deaths, abuses, torture, rape, etc.. They have enabled the hate in this country against LGBTQ. EFFF YUU. No, she does not get a pass.

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Indykatie

(3,691 posts)
18. I'm Gay and Decided Long Ago To Forgive People Who Held Anti-Gay Views in Their Past
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jun 2019

if they apologize, renounce those old views and demonstrate they are no longer homophobic. For me that applies to journos and politicians too.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
20. She didn't apologize
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:50 AM
Jun 2019

I literally provided a neutral link in this very thread which proved that. She literally blamed hackers and to this day denies having made the posts.

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SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
55. She didn't apologize. She tried to weasel out.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jun 2019

Suck up and deal, Joy. Admit they were your posts and let the chips fall where they may.

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bullwinkle428

(20,627 posts)
23. She just did it again - referred to the shooting victim as "unarmed" when
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:55 AM
Jun 2019

it's documented that he was wielding a knife.

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dsc

(52,130 posts)
24. again
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jun 2019

no way, no how a gay journalist could have gotten away with being as racist as she was homophobic. If Anderson Cooper had written in blog posts in 2008 that he understood why white people fear blacks he would have been summarily fired especially if he lied about being hacked.

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SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
35. She's a lightweight and I can't believe she actually has a show on MSNBC. (n/t)
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:59 AM
Jun 2019
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tulipsandroses

(5,094 posts)
38. This is getting so old on DU
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jun 2019

Let the investigation play out. How do you know he had a knife? Because a known racist police officer said so? And police don't lie right? Why would Joy challenge him? Because the default is that we should believe police? GTFOH! We can pull up story after story of police lying and planting evidence so I'm not sure why she needed to challenge him when it has NOT been proven that he had a knife. No camera, racist cops, transporting the man in the cop car instead of waiting for an ambulance, all of this looks above board. Sure. Police are not judge, jury and executioner.

See, I know some white folks don't think so, but black folks are supposed to have their day in court when they are accused of a crime. There needs to be an investigation. Even if it is proven that he had a knife, Do we know the officer followed protocol? Did he go after the police officer with the knife? We don't know yet. This police department has deep rooted racial issues.






What Mayor Pete couldn’t fix about the South Bend cops
The fatal shooting that derailed Pete Buttigieg’s campaign this week has a 7-year backstory.

[link:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/22/pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-227206|

But early last Sunday that all changed, when a white police officer in Buttigieg’s South Bend police department who had been accused of excessive force in the past shot and killed a 54-year-old black man. Officials said the victim was rifling through parked cars and armed with a knife; the officer hadn’t activated his body camera video and the camera on his dash hadn’t switched on either so there was no independent record of the fatal encounter. Buttigieg left the campaign trail to deal with fallout from an encounter that almost instantly was swept into the fraught national debate over how police treat minorities in their communities.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
44. The article highlights the real problem Pete has.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jun 2019

It's years of mistrust between the police force and the community. After his initial mistake, he has been unable to build trust. It takes years to do that. But it pays off big when an incident like this happens because the community will give you the benefit of the doubt. Without that trust, they blame you for letting it happen.

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
51. He didn't make a mistake
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jun 2019

He fired a goddamn police chief who was under FBI investigation because that is his job.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
54. As far as how it played out politically, it was a mistake.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jun 2019
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tulipsandroses

(5,094 posts)
58. His job should also have been to follow up on the racism in the police force
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jun 2019

Lets follow that all the way through

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tulipsandroses

(5,094 posts)
57. Yes-
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jun 2019

It takes years to rebuild trust. He's in a unique position to show the rest of the nation how to handle a situation like this. This is happening all across the country where black and brown people do not feel safe in their own communities. The reaction by politicians has not been adequate. Its important that he does not have the same ol same ol response that they have. It will set him apart from other politicians.

He can take the lead on this matter and show others around the country how it should be done, make sure the bad apples on the police force are rooted out. Take steps to make sure the community has a say so in policing the police.

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Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
41. I wish people...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 PM
Jun 2019

… could all be perfect, all the time. Until then, I'll take the Joy Reids, Mayor Petes, and Joe Bidens with all their flaws, over the Donald Trumps, Dick Cheneys and Mike Pences of the world.

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Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
62. A most excellent point, Mr. Nelson.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:33 AM
Jun 2019


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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
102. Good to know you support homophobia.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:25 AM
Jun 2019

Noted.

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Amerigael

(10 posts)
83. You have a perfect right to feel as you do...
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:35 AM
Jun 2019

and so does everyone else. I have made mistakes for which I would like to be forgiven. I have apologized in person without any "buts" in my apologies only after realizing I have, at times past, attempted to offer excuses to semi-justify the thought process that brought me to those words or deeds for which I now apologize, whole-heartedly and without caveat. I did it, I said it, I was wrong. We are all at different stages in our own processes. I am a member of the LGBTQ community & I accept Joy's most evolved apology. I see she is trying to get it right. If she didn't care, she wouldn't try. You can feel free to dislike her forever if you wish, but that wouldn't work for me.

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oasis

(49,152 posts)
84. Welcome to DU Amerigeal.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jun 2019
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Amerigael

(10 posts)
110. Hi there!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:45 PM
Jun 2019

Thank you. I love that one can find substantive conversation here rather than popularity queens, preoccupied with how many followers they have. Feels like home!

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
103. We're back to smearing Joy Reid again? Dull...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:43 AM
Jun 2019

The irony is the first person to make a big issue out of some of Joy's ancient blog posts (Glenn Greenwald) gets into an absolute tizzy whenever his old racist, anti-immigrant, warmongering Bush-loving blog posts get thrown back in his face... And to this day I don't recall anyone calling motherfucking Greenwald a 'bigot'...

And don't worry, Glenn's smearing of Reid had absolutely NOTHING to do with her being a black woman opposing Trump -- Signed, the other dozen high profile black women politicians/pundits on Twitter who Glenn has regularly smeared like Imani Gandy, Kamala Harris and Donna Brazile (until she wrote her little tattletale book pissing all over Hillary, of course)...

And given your skepticism of Johnson and Reid, I must say I'm disappointed to see you accept the "official" police narrative of the incident without question, dsc. I don't think this is a battle you want to be on the wrong side of.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
105. Oh, so you swallow the whole "I got hacked" bullshit?
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:51 AM
Jun 2019

Nope.

She’s a liar and a homophobe. I could have some empathy for her if she came clean, but I hate liars more than anything. Spineless. She’s never impressed me.

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
107. No, I don't "swallow" it...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jun 2019

But what I am saying is if Reid's old blog is fair game then let's get every-fucking-body's out there and we'll see what's what...

Regardless, I have a bigger issue of "swallowing official police narrative after a racially motivated shooting" bullshit all in the name of stanning for a candidate, but that's just me...

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
108. Yeah, and if some white person had an "old" blog where they used racist words, you'd just
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jun 2019

let that slide, right?

Not buying it.

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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
109. Never liked Jason Johnson
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:59 AM
Jun 2019

He's way to arrogant and spends most of his time yelling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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