Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumGuess who else voted against federal funding for abortions?
THE THING ABOUT THE HYDE AMENDMENT Over the last day, theres been a pile-on on JOE BIDEN -- Beto ORourke, Elizabeth Warren and others have ganged up against the former VP over his support of the Hyde Amendment, language that prohibits most federal funding for abortion.
BUT If you are or have been a member of Congress -- 15 people in this field -- and youve voted for big spending packages, theres a pretty good chance that youve also voted for the amendment. OF COURSE, Biden is actively supporting it, and thats a bit unique. But this language has been a part of a lot of funding bills and gotten plenty of votes from Democrats over the years.
AN EXAMPLE: ELIZABETH WARREN SAYS SHE DOESNT LIKE THE HYDE AMENDMENT Warren told MSNBCs Chris Hayes on Wednesday night that we do not pass laws that take away the freedom from the women who are most vulnerable. Her team tweeted: I will not support any effort to take rights away from women who are the most vulnerable. Its time for Hyde to go. #WarrenTownHall
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/06/06/guess-who-else-voted-against-federal-funding-for-abortion-443667
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)This combined fight to keep it legal AND free might just be it's complete undoing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Most of those complaining the loudest never heard of the Hyde Amendment before yesterday.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)we're getting more deeply divided over this issue. It used to be that there was a range of opinions on the subject of abortion, now, the "no middle ground" people are saying "any abortion, for any reason, any time, paid for by the taxpayer", and that's pushing those who thought there was a middle into the Alabama legislation camp.
It might lead to a national split.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)When Holy Rollers are paying for abortions, it would tend to get their feathers ruffled. We kept it legal by appeasing the holy rollers conscious and saying your money won't pay for it.
Edit to add: Todays HR's are off their freaking rockers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)that opposing the Hyde amendment by anyone, Democrat or republican, was considered political suicide. Repeatedly, candidates had to state firmly that there was no government funding of abortion because of the Hyde amendment. This was part of the arguments to keep abortion legal and to protect Planned Parenthood.
There are plenty of voters who would not endorse government funding abortions, at least not yet. Right now, we have to focus on getting Democrats elected throughout government, federal, state, and local. Then we can come back and address this issue when we have to votes to make progressive change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)"Let's repeal laws like the Hyde Amendment that make it nearly impossible for low-income women -- disproportionately women of color -- to exercise their full reproductive rights."
On second thought, don't bother guessing. It was Hillary Clinton, June 10 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)Let's not exaggerate the effect.
Some states fund it through their own medicaid funds:
https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-funding-abortion-under-medicaid
Like anything else, there are private organizations that may help.
https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/
https://www.all-options.org/resources/abortion/
We have to be practical, get rid of the Dotard first. Fail to do that and funding won't matter, the whole thing will be illegal in many states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
This was at a time when the party was finally starting to pull to the left, but prior to that it was rare. Now that abortion rights are under full assault by the right, Democrats are becoming more outspoken. Of course, I'm not saying that the Hyde Amendment was right, but clearly it has been a compromise issue for decades now and Democrats are finally saying enough.
Meanwhile, it appears that Biden is in the process of catching up and has reversed his position.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)OK then. I guess you and I have a completely different world view.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)Private nonprofit abortion funding assistance groups will be happy to take your donation.
https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)There are other sources of help.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,727 posts)outlets will be able to come up with more comprehensive lists of which candidates voted for similar bills and how many times they did so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)The question is who supports the annual renewal of the Hyde amendment and who opposes it.
There is only one major democratic candidate supporting Hyde.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)This thread is whataboutism for people who don't understand how how spending bills work. Your last line states the salient point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)It still allows the amendment to go on.
Why aren't you saying they threw women under the bus to get a budget passed and get the government going again? I'm fascinated about where the line is drawn. If they cared about women's rights, wouldn't they be willing to continue the shutdown? That's the problem with this way of thinking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)It gets renewed every now and then, as part of spending bills.
Most of our candidates who have been in the House or Senate have voted for bills containing its wording. See upthread in my previous reply.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)The Hyde Amendment allows federal funds for abortion only if the mother's life is threatened or due to rape or incest.
n U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape.[1][2] Legislation, including the Hyde Amendment, generally restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and consequently has significant effects involving Medicaid recipients.[1][2] Medicaid currently serves approximately 15.6 million women in the United States, including 1 in 5 women of reproductive age (women aged 1544).[3][4]
The original Hyde Amendment was passed on September 30, 1976, by the House of Representatives, by a 207167 vote. It was named for its chief sponsor, Republican Congressman Henry Hyde of Illinois. The measure represents one of the first major legislative gains by the United States pro-life movement, especially the National Committee for a Human Life Amendment led by lobbyist Mark Gallagher,[5] after the striking-down of anti-abortion laws following the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. Congress subsequently altered the Hyde Amendment several times. The version in force from 1981 until 1993 prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions "except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term."[6]
On October 22, 1993, President Clinton signed into law the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1994.[7]?The Act contained a new version of the Hyde Amendment that expanded the category of abortions for which federal funds are available under Medicaid to include cases of rape and incest.[8]
The 2016 platform marked the first time the Democratic platform had an explicit call to repeal the Hyde Amendment.[9] On January 24, 2017, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 7, which, according to the press office of Speaker Paul Ryan, "makes the Hyde amendment permanent."[10] The bill failed to pass the Senate and did not become law.
Essentially, the Hyde amendment deprives poor women equal protection under the law (14th amendment). This has no impact on my support for Biden because I understand it as part of a much larger issue and I don't deal in outrage politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)who was turned away from Planned Parenthood because she didn't have money to pay for their services?
I know a few who weren't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)I said nothing about the Hyde amendment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)That punctuation at the end: '?' that indicates that the preceding phrase was a question.
So, do you also support the Hyde amendment?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)It was worded more like a statement. It said "So you support the Hyde amendment?
Now you say Do you also support the Hyde amendment? Big difference.
The answer to your second phrasing I no, I don't. But my post was making the argument that the Hyde amendment was not really keeping many people for having choice in the matter. There are other avenues of financial assistance available besides federal tax money. I couldn't give you details because being a man I have never needed such assistance. I can only tell you I know women, some in my own family, who got it done without having to pay for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)with my wife, who is a retired OB RN and hospital case manager. She has had much interaction with Planned Parenthood on a professional level. She tells me PP gets many private donations and they are free to use that money to fund all sorts of procedures, including abortions for those who cannot afford them. The Hyde amendment only covers federal tax dollars.
Funding for PP whether from the government or private sources to facilitate their very existence is the critical matter here. That's why the republicans are constantly trying to stop their funding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)but I knew some states did. And the Hyde amendment has no say in that matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)there always has been one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)or I didn't state it clearly. I agree with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)There is a difference between voting for something because you have to, and supporting it as a stand-alone issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(12,625 posts)Then it is time to put out any nonsense at all that can possibly deflect from a disqualifying utterance from your chosen candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)So, I dont buy that argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)as it is to actively support the Hyde amendment.
Trade-offs like EW had to make are made every day in Congress. There is no other way to get anything done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was never a standalone.
Only Congress can get rid of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)for a repeal of the Hyde amendment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/06/joe-bidens-views-abortion-arent-uncommon-among-americans-some-might-believe/?utm_term=.4564c4717c2b
As Biden heads toward the 2020 election, its clear that his position on the issue hasnt changed even as some on the left may be more adamant than ever about protecting womens right to access abortion services. The Biden campaign issued a statement Wednesday announcing that unlike many of the other Democrats running for president, he is not calling for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which restricts the use of federal money to pay for abortions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What are the positions of your Congressional candidates? You know, the ones who will be in Congress and can actually do that?
I'll bet five bucks you don't even know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Obama wasn't for gay marriage until the right time. Politics is tricky that way. Yet he was the one who presided over great gains. Sometimes you have to be careful with these things. How the voters in the swing states feel about it is the most relevant poll.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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still_one
(91,951 posts)This is self-inflicted by Joe on himself. We are not talking about what has been included in funding bills in the past, we are talking about NOW, and Joe was not talking about funding bills in the past that included the Hyde Amendment, he was supporting the Hyde Amendment.
I believe if his campaign is wise, Joe will come out before the debates, and say if Congress votes to overturn the Hyde Amendment, he will sign it if he becomes President.
It would be nice if he added that the Hyde Amendment is a bad law, and should be repealed.
If he doesn't, from my perspective, he deserves the pushback he is getting.
It is not good optics or politics to support a law that hurts poor women, written by a an anti-choice pedophile
This really isn't a complicated issue, and for those that think it is, perhaps they need to do some reflection
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,951 posts)wrong, is they seem a little slow on the uptake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided