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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:36 PM Jun 2019

Guess who else voted against federal funding for abortions?


THE THING ABOUT THE HYDE AMENDMENT … Over the last day, there’s been a pile-on on JOE BIDEN -- Beto O’Rourke, Elizabeth Warren and others have ganged up against the former VP over his support of the Hyde Amendment, language that prohibits most federal funding for abortion.

BUT … If you are or have been a member of Congress -- 15 people in this field -- and you’ve voted for big spending packages, there’s a pretty good chance that you’ve also voted for the amendment. OF COURSE, Biden is actively supporting it, and that’s a bit unique. But this language has been a part of a lot of funding bills and gotten plenty of votes from Democrats over the years.

AN EXAMPLE: ELIZABETH WARREN SAYS SHE DOESN’T LIKE THE HYDE AMENDMENT … Warren told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Wednesday night that “we do not pass laws that take away the freedom from the women who are most vulnerable.” Her team tweeted: “I will not support any effort to take rights away from women who are the most vulnerable. It’s time for Hyde to go. #WarrenTownHall”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/06/06/guess-who-else-voted-against-federal-funding-for-abortion-443667
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Guess who else voted against federal funding for abortions? (Original Post) Kahuna7 Jun 2019 OP
I thought the fight was to keep abortion legal, not to get it free. GemDigger Jun 2019 #1
The goalposts move by the hour BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #3
Nodding my head. GemDigger Jun 2019 #7
As a nation customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #5
I may be wrong but it was the addition of the Hyde is what was able to keep it legal. GemDigger Jun 2019 #10
It wasn't all that long ago, PatSeg Jun 2019 #8
Well stated. Both paragraphs. nt GemDigger Jun 2019 #12
Guess who said this: Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #19
There can be other ways treestar Jun 2019 #41
Yes PatSeg Jun 2019 #49
Oh so if you are poor and cannot afford the 500-1000 or more it costs, then too bad for you? Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #18
Maybe, but step 1, is keep it safe, legal and available. StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2019 #33
Planned Parenthood goes by a sliding scale. GemDigger Jun 2019 #39
No, it is not that stark treestar Jun 2019 #42
Who else? brush Jun 2019 #2
That Political article lists several other candidates who voted for that bill. I imagine other highplainsdem Jun 2019 #4
Who else voted for it? It's right there in the article. Did you click the link? MineralMan Jun 2019 #6
It is a rider on a spending bill that is really hard to vote against. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #20
Exactly Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #28
Why is that an excuse? treestar Jun 2019 #44
I thought Federal dollars were already prohibited to 'fund' abortions??? nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #9
They are. That's what the Hyde Amendment does. MineralMan Jun 2019 #11
... Scurrilous Jun 2019 #13
READING is FUN and MENTAL underthematrix Jun 2019 #14
Does anyone here know any woman Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #15
so you support the Hyde amendment? Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #22
Don't try to put words in my mouth. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #25
It was a question. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #26
Regardless of punctuation, Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #29
Thank you for this information - quite interesting... Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #30
Since my last post I have been discussing the matter Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #32
15 states make their own dollars available to fund abortions for low income women. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #35
I didn't know the exact number of states, Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #37
No. This is for abortions other than for rape or incest. There is a process though, but then emmaverybo Jun 2019 #38
You must have misunderstood my post Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #40
Since we are the party that can do nuance: shanny Jun 2019 #16
Not when you are in circle the wagons talking point mode. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #21
Unfortunately, that's a good point. shanny Jun 2019 #23
The difference is that voting is worse - no one has to vote for anything. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #31
It's NOT THE SAME to vote for a much larger bill that contains that language, pnwmom Jun 2019 #17
Hence the word "amendment" jberryhill Jun 2019 #27
Unlike many of the others, including EW, Biden is not calling pnwmom Jun 2019 #36
Zzzzzzzzzz jberryhill Jun 2019 #48
Supporting it could be a trade-off too treestar Jun 2019 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #24
It is a flawed approach to justify a position because of what was done previously. still_one Jun 2019 #34
Good idea. He can say if Congress votes to overturn it, he'll sign the legislation. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #46
I think something like that would minimize the damage, but my personal observation, which could be still_one Jun 2019 #47
Republicans? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #43
 

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
1. I thought the fight was to keep abortion legal, not to get it free.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jun 2019

This combined fight to keep it legal AND free might just be it's complete undoing.

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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
3. The goalposts move by the hour
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jun 2019

Most of those complaining the loudest never heard of the Hyde Amendment before yesterday.

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. As a nation
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jun 2019

we're getting more deeply divided over this issue. It used to be that there was a range of opinions on the subject of abortion, now, the "no middle ground" people are saying "any abortion, for any reason, any time, paid for by the taxpayer", and that's pushing those who thought there was a middle into the Alabama legislation camp.

It might lead to a national split.

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GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
10. I may be wrong but it was the addition of the Hyde is what was able to keep it legal.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jun 2019

When Holy Rollers are paying for abortions, it would tend to get their feathers ruffled. We kept it legal by appeasing the holy rollers conscious and saying your money won't pay for it.

Edit to add: Todays HR's are off their freaking rockers.

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PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
8. It wasn't all that long ago,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019

that opposing the Hyde amendment by anyone, Democrat or republican, was considered political suicide. Repeatedly, candidates had to state firmly that there was no government funding of abortion because of the Hyde amendment. This was part of the arguments to keep abortion legal and to protect Planned Parenthood.

There are plenty of voters who would not endorse government funding abortions, at least not yet. Right now, we have to focus on getting Democrats elected throughout government, federal, state, and local. Then we can come back and address this issue when we have to votes to make progressive change.

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GemDigger

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12. Well stated. Both paragraphs. nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jun 2019
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Voltaire2

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19. Guess who said this:
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jun 2019

"Let's repeal laws like the Hyde Amendment that make it nearly impossible for low-income women -- disproportionately women of color -- to exercise their full reproductive rights."



On second thought, don't bother guessing. It was Hillary Clinton, June 10 2016.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. There can be other ways
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jun 2019

Let's not exaggerate the effect.

Some states fund it through their own medicaid funds:

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-funding-abortion-under-medicaid

Like anything else, there are private organizations that may help.

https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/

https://www.all-options.org/resources/abortion/

We have to be practical, get rid of the Dotard first. Fail to do that and funding won't matter, the whole thing will be illegal in many states.

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PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
49. Yes
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:12 AM
Jun 2019

This was at a time when the party was finally starting to pull to the left, but prior to that it was rare. Now that abortion rights are under full assault by the right, Democrats are becoming more outspoken. Of course, I'm not saying that the Hyde Amendment was right, but clearly it has been a compromise issue for decades now and Democrats are finally saying enough.

Meanwhile, it appears that Biden is in the process of catching up and has reversed his position.

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Voltaire2

(12,625 posts)
18. Oh so if you are poor and cannot afford the 500-1000 or more it costs, then too bad for you?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jun 2019

OK then. I guess you and I have a completely different world view.

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StTimofEdenRoc

(445 posts)
33. Maybe, but step 1, is keep it safe, legal and available.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jun 2019

Private nonprofit abortion funding assistance groups will be happy to take your donation.

https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/

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GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
39. Planned Parenthood goes by a sliding scale.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jun 2019
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. No, it is not that stark
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jun 2019

There are other sources of help.

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highplainsdem

(48,727 posts)
4. That Political article lists several other candidates who voted for that bill. I imagine other
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jun 2019

outlets will be able to come up with more comprehensive lists of which candidates voted for similar bills and how many times they did so.

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MineralMan

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6. Who else voted for it? It's right there in the article. Did you click the link?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019
WARREN voted for this bill twice. So did Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Eric Swalwell and others. Bernie Sanders voted no. President DONALD TRUMP signed it into law.
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Voltaire2

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20. It is a rider on a spending bill that is really hard to vote against.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:47 PM
Jun 2019

The question is who supports the annual renewal of the Hyde amendment and who opposes it.

There is only one major democratic candidate supporting Hyde.

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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
28. Exactly
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jun 2019

This thread is whataboutism for people who don't understand how how spending bills work. Your last line states the salient point.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
44. Why is that an excuse?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:51 PM
Jun 2019

It still allows the amendment to go on.

Why aren't you saying they threw women under the bus to get a budget passed and get the government going again? I'm fascinated about where the line is drawn. If they cared about women's rights, wouldn't they be willing to continue the shutdown? That's the problem with this way of thinking.

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UniteFightBack

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9. I thought Federal dollars were already prohibited to 'fund' abortions??? nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jun 2019
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MineralMan

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11. They are. That's what the Hyde Amendment does.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jun 2019

It gets renewed every now and then, as part of spending bills.

Most of our candidates who have been in the House or Senate have voted for bills containing its wording. See upthread in my previous reply.

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underthematrix

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14. READING is FUN and MENTAL
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jun 2019

The Hyde Amendment allows federal funds for abortion only if the mother's life is threatened or due to rape or incest.
n U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape.[1][2] Legislation, including the Hyde Amendment, generally restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and consequently has significant effects involving Medicaid recipients.[1][2] Medicaid currently serves approximately 15.6 million women in the United States, including 1 in 5 women of reproductive age (women aged 15–44).[3][4]

The original Hyde Amendment was passed on September 30, 1976, by the House of Representatives, by a 207–167 vote. It was named for its chief sponsor, Republican Congressman Henry Hyde of Illinois. The measure represents one of the first major legislative gains by the United States pro-life movement, especially the National Committee for a Human Life Amendment led by lobbyist Mark Gallagher,[5] after the striking-down of anti-abortion laws following the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. Congress subsequently altered the Hyde Amendment several times. The version in force from 1981 until 1993 prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions "except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term."[6]

On October 22, 1993, President Clinton signed into law the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1994.[7]?The Act contained a new version of the Hyde Amendment that expanded the category of abortions for which federal funds are available under Medicaid to include cases of rape and incest.[8]

The 2016 platform marked the first time the Democratic platform had an explicit call to repeal the Hyde Amendment.[9] On January 24, 2017, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 7, which, according to the press office of Speaker Paul Ryan, "makes the Hyde amendment permanent."[10] The bill failed to pass the Senate and did not become law.

Essentially, the Hyde amendment deprives poor women equal protection under the law (14th amendment). This has no impact on my support for Biden because I understand it as part of a much larger issue and I don't deal in outrage politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

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Mr.Bill

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15. Does anyone here know any woman
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jun 2019

who was turned away from Planned Parenthood because she didn't have money to pay for their services?

I know a few who weren't.

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Voltaire2

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22. so you support the Hyde amendment?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jun 2019
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Mr.Bill

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25. Don't try to put words in my mouth.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jun 2019

I said nothing about the Hyde amendment.

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Voltaire2

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26. It was a question.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jun 2019

That punctuation at the end: '?' that indicates that the preceding phrase was a question.

So, do you also support the Hyde amendment?

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Mr.Bill

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29. Regardless of punctuation,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jun 2019

It was worded more like a statement. It said "So you support the Hyde amendment?

Now you say Do you also support the Hyde amendment? Big difference.

The answer to your second phrasing I no, I don't. But my post was making the argument that the Hyde amendment was not really keeping many people for having choice in the matter. There are other avenues of financial assistance available besides federal tax money. I couldn't give you details because being a man I have never needed such assistance. I can only tell you I know women, some in my own family, who got it done without having to pay for it.

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Skya Rhen

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30. Thank you for this information - quite interesting...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jun 2019
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Mr.Bill

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32. Since my last post I have been discussing the matter
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jun 2019

with my wife, who is a retired OB RN and hospital case manager. She has had much interaction with Planned Parenthood on a professional level. She tells me PP gets many private donations and they are free to use that money to fund all sorts of procedures, including abortions for those who cannot afford them. The Hyde amendment only covers federal tax dollars.

Funding for PP whether from the government or private sources to facilitate their very existence is the critical matter here. That's why the republicans are constantly trying to stop their funding.

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emmaverybo

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35. 15 states make their own dollars available to fund abortions for low income women.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jun 2019
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Mr.Bill

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37. I didn't know the exact number of states,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jun 2019

but I knew some states did. And the Hyde amendment has no say in that matter.

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emmaverybo

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38. No. This is for abortions other than for rape or incest. There is a process though, but then
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jun 2019

there always has been one.

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Mr.Bill

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40. You must have misunderstood my post
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:35 PM
Jun 2019

or I didn't state it clearly. I agree with you.

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shanny

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16. Since we are the party that can do nuance:
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jun 2019

There is a difference between voting for something because you have to, and supporting it as a stand-alone issue.

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Voltaire2

(12,625 posts)
21. Not when you are in circle the wagons talking point mode.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:50 PM
Jun 2019

Then it is time to put out any nonsense at all that can possibly deflect from a disqualifying utterance from your chosen candidate.

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shanny

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23. Unfortunately, that's a good point.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jun 2019
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
31. The difference is that voting is worse - no one has to vote for anything.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jun 2019

So, I don’t buy that argument.

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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. It's NOT THE SAME to vote for a much larger bill that contains that language,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jun 2019

as it is to actively support the Hyde amendment.

Trade-offs like EW had to make are made every day in Congress. There is no other way to get anything done.

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jberryhill

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27. Hence the word "amendment"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jun 2019

It was never a standalone.

Only Congress can get rid of it.
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pnwmom

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36. Unlike many of the others, including EW, Biden is not calling
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jun 2019

for a repeal of the Hyde amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/06/joe-bidens-views-abortion-arent-uncommon-among-americans-some-might-believe/?utm_term=.4564c4717c2b

As Biden heads toward the 2020 election, it’s clear that his position on the issue hasn’t changed — even as some on the left may be more adamant than ever about protecting women’s right to access abortion services. The Biden campaign issued a statement Wednesday announcing that unlike many of the other Democrats running for president, he is not calling for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which restricts the use of federal money to pay for abortions.

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jberryhill

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48. Zzzzzzzzzz
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jun 2019

What are the positions of your Congressional candidates? You know, the ones who will be in Congress and can actually do that?

I'll bet five bucks you don't even know.

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treestar

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45. Supporting it could be a trade-off too
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:53 PM
Jun 2019

Obama wasn't for gay marriage until the right time. Politics is tricky that way. Yet he was the one who presided over great gains. Sometimes you have to be careful with these things. How the voters in the swing states feel about it is the most relevant poll.

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still_one

(91,951 posts)
34. It is a flawed approach to justify a position because of what was done previously.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:02 PM
Jun 2019

This is self-inflicted by Joe on himself. We are not talking about what has been included in funding bills in the past, we are talking about NOW, and Joe was not talking about funding bills in the past that included the Hyde Amendment, he was supporting the Hyde Amendment.

I believe if his campaign is wise, Joe will come out before the debates, and say if Congress votes to overturn the Hyde Amendment, he will sign it if he becomes President.

It would be nice if he added that the Hyde Amendment is a bad law, and should be repealed.

If he doesn't, from my perspective, he deserves the pushback he is getting.


It is not good optics or politics to support a law that hurts poor women, written by a an anti-choice pedophile

This really isn't a complicated issue, and for those that think it is, perhaps they need to do some reflection








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pnwmom

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46. Good idea. He can say if Congress votes to overturn it, he'll sign the legislation. n/t
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019
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still_one

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47. I think something like that would minimize the damage, but my personal observation, which could be
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

wrong, is they seem a little slow on the uptake.

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