"Joe Biden's Bet That 2016 Didn't Change Everything" We still need the blue wall. How we win did not

[Demsrule86]

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change. Nor did we veer left as the media and some Democrats insisted. The midterms showed a different reality. 2016 was an aberration with a perfect storm of trouble that hit us. Hillary took criticism from the left and the right when that happens, we lose. Comey tipped the scale with both of his unprofessional statements, we had gerrymandering and voter suppression and of course the Russians. This was an aberration and we still need the same state we always did to win. Biden can win those states. In 2018, the house flipped because of moderate Democrats. Thus there is no leftward movement in this party or this country. We are a center left country and a big tent party.

"PHILADELPHIA—If the new rules of politics post-2016 were to hold up, the official launch rally Joe Biden held here on Saturday would mean that he is in trouble: The crowd wasn’t huge, was largely white and older, and, for the most part, only really got into it when he mentioned Barack Obama or Donald Trump.

Yet Biden’s high-and-getting-higher poll numbers, the early fund-raising success that has surprised even his own aides, and the enthusiastic responses I heard from supporters who came out on a hot afternoon to see him don’t show a candidate in much trouble at all. Biden’s campaign is a bet: that in the four years since Trump launched his campaign, the country hasn’t changed, the Democratic Party hasn’t changed, and politics hasn’t changed."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/05/joe-biden-rally-trump-philadelphia/589780/



Do you believe elections have been changed forever because of 2016?

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	Yes, nothing will ever be the same.
	4 (50%)
	Some, but not substantially.
	2 (25%)
	No, we still win with a big tent 50 state approach
	2 (25%)
	I Don't want to give my opinion.
	0 (0%)
	Yes the party changed but not forever.
	0 (0%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[zipplewrath]

1. Women

The large number of women entering politics will have a long lasting affect. The inclusion of women of various ethnic backgrounds will also cause change. And if appears minority women are showing up at the voting booth too, that will also cause a shift in governing.

[Demsrule86]

6. I don't see that as a shift in terms of where we need to win national elections.

[zipplewrath]

14. Why?

It's a major shift in demographics that will affect how issues are prioritized.

[Demsrule86]

18. We already have many women in power. We are Democrats. We have 40 moderate

Women who took the house. Sex will not determine ideology anymore than it does for men. If you are looking for a progressive revolution based on women winning elections... it is not happening in my opinion.

[Demsrule86]

19. Also we have to attract voters in the same states,..we have no path without

the blue wall,

[LongtimeAZDem]

2. "Do you believe elections have been changed forever because of 2016?"

I sure as hell hope so

[Demsrule86]

5. I don't. I see the same states we need to win and the same big tent party.

[LongtimeAZDem]

15. What I meant was that I hope that the apathetic and the purists have learned their lesson

[Demsrule86]

16. I hope so but...I hear the same crap...the all out attacks on Biden have been

disappointing.

[marylandblue]

3. Even if Biden wins, everything has changed.

Trump will have his emulators who will learn from his mistakes. The radical right will become a fifth column. Global warming and AI will increasingly rule our reality. The American Empire will grow weaker and soon crumble.

People may vote for normalcy, but that doesn't mean they'll get it.

[Demsrule86]

4. I don't think so...won't work for anyone but him.

[marylandblue]

7. What won't work for anybody but him?

[Demsrule86]

10. The campaign and the crazy circumstances during the campaign...

What with the Russians and all.

[marylandblue]

13. The Russians and the crazies aren't going away.

[Demsrule86]

17. People are warned now and if we win, it can and will go away.

[Ace Rothstein]

23. Yeah, the people chanting "lock them up" at rallies are going to go away.

How do people actually believe this?

[Demsrule86]

24. You have always had those folks...I mean the attacks on elections...you have to win to get anything

done.

[marylandblue]

8. The first and third options are not mutually exclusive, and the second is very vague.

[Demsrule86]

11. Sorry I can't change them now but did add a sixth option.

[Amimnoch]

9. Changed significantly, but not forever.

wasn't really an option to choose from.

The voting public of our country seems to suffer from severe ADD. It'll play a big part while Cheetolini is in office, a part for a few subsequent elections, and further down the road will be an occasional "example" brought up in political debate between voters.

[Demsrule86]

12. I added your option

[Partisan D]

20. Guess who shows up to vote?

"White and older." Every damn time.

But Biden is the most popular candidate among black Americans and 18-29 year-olds too, so he looks pretty solid!

[Demsrule86]

21. I think so...I think Biden is the only one who has a shot. If I hear one more time

'Why any of our fine candidates can win'. I will scream. No they can't. This is a tough election and our path is the same as Trump's through MI,WI and PA. Biden can win those states...the others won't.

[NYMinute]

22. Actually, nothing has changed

Not a single blue state from 2016 is in danger of being lost by Democrats.

However, a lot of red states are in danger of being lost by republicans.

MI, WI, PA for sure.

AZ, OH, NC possibly.

FL, TX long shot.