On 'Meet the Press' today Bernie Sanders repeatedly slammed the "Democratic establishment"

[riverine]

What is a casual viewer supposed to get out of that?

[dalton99a]

1. Video:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/sanders-it-s-not-good-enough-just-defeat-trump-2020-n1007466

[riverine]

24. thanks. NBC had it.

I looked on the MTP web site only.

[honest.abe]

2. I think any viewer would assume he means Democrats suck.. unless they are pseudo Dems like himself.

It is very unfortunate he decided to run. His presence will only hurt us.

[LongtimeAZDem]

41. He should not have been allowed to do so; it would have caused a crapstorm at the start, but

one that would be over by the primaries.

[moonscape]

52. Locking him out might have

made him run 3rd party though and that would have been even worse.

[highplainsdem]

3. That Sanders was never in this to help the Democratic Party. And it's crap that his

campaign can generate much more excitement than Biden's. He's dropping in the polls, losing support to both Biden and Warren.

[George II]

4. And he brags about being the first to sign the so-called "Unity pledge".

[DownriverDem]

5. My Support

I only support true members of the Democratic Party.

[Kahuna7]

6. Of course. In Bernie speak: Establishment equal Joe Biden. nt

[Baclava]

19. ding, ding....it's Bernie's schtick, he needs someone to wag his finger at to be relevant

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. Career politician Bernie Sanders calls career politician Joe Biden part of the "establishment"?

Pot, meet kettle...

[Hortensis]

56. :) Or in Berniespeak, Tweedledum meet Tweedledee.

[Honeycombe8]

7. I know what I make of it.

And it ain't good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. He doesn't like us at all.

[vlyons]

9. What I get is to vote for someone else

"establishment Dem" -- is that code for rich liberal Dems with big bucks? Is that code for white liberal privilege? Or do we supply our own subjective definition of what he means? I am well aware that the Dem party has stumbled a few times. Most notably in my lifetime, LBJ's war in Vietnam. And too often, we have succumbed to the GOP's twisted agenda of "law n order."

I don't need to hear a Dem candidate slamming my party. What I need to hear are positive policy proposals for fixing what's broken and unjust in my country.

[riverine]

21. in the video linked above he gets more specific

"We took on the entire Democratic establishment, we took on the Democratic National Committee, we took on every Democratic governor, we took on every Democratic mayor"

He is burning bridges as fast as he can.

[dalton99a]

26. +1. Democrats are his enemies

[PatSeg]

44. It would appear so

How many Democratic votes does he think he will win with such a strategy? He is rapidly becoming his own best enemy.

[NastyRiffraff]

48. He's using resources of the evil DNC and the "establishment"

They're certainly good for that. Signing the Unity Pledge (or any pledge) meant nothing to him.

[Hortensis]

55. A very revealing and self-defining quote!

[Beakybird]

10. His surrogates are even more divisive.

Two of his top hires voted for Jill Stein.

[comradebillyboy]

14. Only two?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. Bernie is stuck in the '60s. If I hear the word "establishment" from him one more time

I'm gonna puke. How is a guy who's been a career politician for some 40 years - about the same amount of time as Joe Biden - not part of the "establishment"? He drops into the Democratic party when it's advantageous for him and then proceeds to crap all over it, basically shitting in his own nest, even if it's a temporary nest. He needs to take off his Che t-shirt and stop pretending he's like a member of the SDS or something and acknowledge that he's just as much an "establishment" guy as the rest of them. I supported him in 2016 but I'm so over him.

[Docreed2003]

18. +1

[cwydro]

46. This.

He’s long since passed tiresome in my opinion.

[TreasonousBastard]

12. "Fool me once..."?

[R B Garr]

13. Was he asked why he's dropping so hard in the polls?

That should be the first question or the rest makes no sense.

[Cha]

54. Exactly.. any reporter worth their salt

would be asking BS that.. right after he slammed the Democratic Party to try and build himself up.

Link to tweet

The Democratic Party that won the BlueWave Midterms in 2018..

[Hortensis]

57. As you say. He's failing and thus flailing.

[NYMinute]

15. Doe anyone need any more proof?

As a prosecutor would say in a closing argument ….

We have the motive, the means, the opportunity and the smoking gun ……...

[Docreed2003]

16. I seriously question his motivation for these types of attacks

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How do these attacks bring about changes in the Democratic Party that he so desperately claims to desire?

This type of divisive rhetoric from Sanders is exactly what many warned and were worried about whenever he announced his '20 campaign.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. What I get is that his own internal polling must be even worse than four years ago.

[crazytown]

22. 'He struggles to bleed as he hangs on his cross'

And he’ll go to his grave as an angry old man’

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. And once gain, I will renew my call to Tom Perez, the DNC National Chair, to disqualify him

[mopinko]

39. bar him from the debates.

yes, it will make him a martyr. again.
but i think that dog is too old to hunt.

[trueblue2007]

51. i do also. i don't see his as a Democrat candidate. He just does nothing but bash us and them.

i FEEL BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS.... HE EVEN BASHES ME. If Bernie knew me, he'd probably dislike me.
He holds lots of negativity in himself I feel.

[Hortensis]

58. :) For sure. I know he despises me.

It’s mutual.

I’m never fooled that the attacks on the people We vote for do not also indicate his very delusional and unjust contempt for us.

[Cha]

69. That's not gonna happen..

but hopefully this will be his last run against the Democratic Party("his Opponents&quot for potus.

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

Link to tweet

[Me.]

25. That He's Not To Be Trusted

He's a sitting Senator and has been for years, he is the Establishment. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Let me know when we can talk about the REAL bernie, until then this is a waste of time and

MADDENING

[highplainsdem]

33. ???? How is discussing what Sanders said NOT talking about "the REAL bernie"?

[LongtimeAZDem]

43. I know what you meant to say, but that was perhaps a little too "under the radar"

[Eliot Rosewater]

63. We are about to lose our country and we cant TELL THE TRUTH about you know who

FUCK

FUCK

FUCK



ps

Saw Paula Poundstone show recently and she made a PLEA to us that since the UN scientists ALL say either we reverse our emissions by 2030 or we wil NOT be able to save the human race, that even our candidates who say something about 2050 being the date is too late.

She is AWESOME by the way and GOD DAMN FUNNY

[LongtimeAZDem]

64. Just remember that posting here probably won't affect anything, even though it's frustrating,

[Paladin]

28. I am sick to death of Bernie.

Now more than ever.

[katmondoo]

31. Me too, I just can't take him anymore

[Terry_M]

29. That parties evolve and change over time, the democratic party of today

is not a complete copy/paste of the party from 20, 30, 50 years ago - the issues of focus change, even if some of the core stances stay the same (and core stances drift too). And that in his view, the stances of people in key party leadership positions (establishment) are not in the right place on those core focuses and stances as compared to where he thinks the party should be based on what he thinks is important to voters. So the establishment is 'wrong' and some more evolving needs to occur.

That's my read.

[Hortensis]

59. 96% Dem voting rate $174K/year + bennies.

Sanders actions over the past 30 years are virtually entirely in line with those realities.

Only his rhetoric is not.

[dlk]

30. Call Me Crazy, I Think It's Irrational to Expect Support from an Organization You Refuse to Join

It’s not rational in my book.

[cwydro]

32. Buuut, he wants to run as a Dem, right?

[beachbum bob]

36. In Bernie's world its always the "establishment" and they must be vilified....

his attitude is why 2016 turned out the way it did

[wasupaloopa]

37. He is like trump in that he does what helps him hold onto his base. Just read the pro bernie posts

and see what drives them.


Bernie is a true progressive

Bernie was first

Bernie moved others to the left

Bernie this Bernie that Yada yada yada.

I don't see any supporters of other candidates needing to make up stories like bernie folks do. It is an aggressive attitude that turns people off.


He's going to transform America, trump will make America great. Well I don't want bernie's America nor trumps America.

[Hav]

40. It made me think about Trump immediately as well

It's always pitting one group against the other, you against them and it makes it harder to come together again after the primaries. The result of that toxic strategy could be seen in 2016 and with that knowledge it's interesting that one would willingly go down that road again.
"Establishment" seems to have become a buzzword thrown out for his followers to get mad about. This is exactly what Trump does.

[LuvLoogie]

38. He's chumming the MSM for the narrative that he will be justified

running third party in the general. It seems he is even more anti-Dem than 2016.

We'll never be good enough.

[Cha]

70. Oh yeah..

[BannonsLiver]

45. Bernie is tanking and he is taking it personally

Good. No pity here.

[Blue_true]

49. When he is losing is when he becomes the most dangerous to progressive policy.

He does not seem to take losing well. I anticipate that he will be lukewarm at fully embracing the 2020 nominee, that is the sad part.

[Politicub]

47. Bernie, if you are listening, I am the establishment, too.

I volunteer to work on democratic campaigns. I guess that makes me part of the unwashed establishment.

[Cha]

50. "..What are they suppose to get out of that?.."

That BS needs to tear down those made it possible for us to claim a Democratic House Victory in 2018.. in order to build himself up.



Is it any wonder he's down in the polls?

[emmaverybo]

53. I look for a balanced, even, unruffled temperament in a president in her public presentation of

herself. This is so important on the global stage and during times of crisis domestically. Firmness and resolve is more convincing when it seems unencumbered by emotionalized anger and personal grudge.
Obama’s ability to communicate with America, and our allies and foes alike, in a manner conveying
civility but strength is something I sorely miss.
I don’t think Bernie Sanders does himself or his causes any favors when he appears to disparage
the party “establishment.”
His “down with the establishment” attitude in general can be viewed as immature. The establishment never gets dismantled in American politics. It is changed from within and then with skillful negotiation, and by unifying diverse coalitions.

Is Bernie building or just tearing down?

[Hortensis]

60. As both a wannabe socialist revolutionary and

a wannabe populist leader, of course the answer must be tearing down. Can’t have a revolution without breaking the establishment, and populism is all about breaking the establishment.

Interestingly, I read recently that populists, defined by resentment to “elites,” perversely choose their leaders from among the elites, only ones who are rejected by other elites, “outsider elites.” Both Sanders and Trump fit that to a T.

Immature thinking. Certainly can’t disagree with that word.

[emmaverybo]

65. Very interesting. nt

[NYMinute]

61. Bernie is lashing out - things aren't going his way

[Tiggeroshii]

62. That maybe there are things the Democratic party can work on

To be better serve the people it supposedly represents?

[aikoaiko]

66. Can you quote the parts that were "slams"? I didn't really hear much.

Some criticisms, yes, but nothing mean spirited.

[Cha]

67. More Millions Voted for the Democratic

Party than in 50 years during the Blue Wave Midterms.. that BS remarked he.. ".. didn't see coming.." btw.



We don't need BS pointing his finger at us.. he needs to work on his own self.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

68. With jill stein pushers and voters

Sirota, Grey, and Turner cheering from the sidelines.