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I'm getting bashed for posting what I hear from millennials, see more below the video: (Original Post) lambchopp59 May 2019 OP
you forgot the "more below the video" part nt msongs May 2019 #1
I'm referring to the inevitable bashing comments that will follow lambchopp59 May 2019 #2
Setting up that strawman right off the bat.... ehrnst May 2019 #49
We're seeing a pattern of claims of bashing, Hortensis May 2019 #50
David Pakman Show? On DU? ehrnst May 2019 #3
Progressives aren't allowed? Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #26
He gives a large platform to wingnut extremists obamanut2012 May 2019 #30
Way out of line comment. lambchopp59 May 2019 #38
Why so defensive? His own home station says that. ehrnst May 2019 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst May 2019 #41
"known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists" ehrnst May 2019 #48
lol David Pakman ? stonecutter357 May 2019 #4
There it is. lambchopp59 May 2019 #11
Dismiss the left ? I'm part of the left why would i Dismiss it ? stonecutter357 May 2019 #35
The millenials who didn't vote for president in 2016 watoos May 2019 #56
David Pakman is "THE left" now and "THE youth?" ehrnst May 2019 #42
The David Pakman Show ... left-of-center2012 May 2019 #5
not everyone likes Biden Skittles May 2019 #34
He trashes Democrats. He invites racist and homophobic guests. DU isn't the place. ehrnst May 2019 #43
And? Is it a surprise we its what has been posted? Demsrule86 May 2019 #6
If understanding (or lack thereof) is correlated with age, please explain Young Conservatives, alt R hlthe2b May 2019 #7
They voted for who represented the most departure from lukewarm, status quo. lambchopp59 May 2019 #10
Shockjocks are also status quo.... ehrnst May 2019 #54
I don't see anyone "bashing" you.. Cha May 2019 #8
Meant as a deflection as well as somewhat tongue in cheek, so far it's worked. lambchopp59 May 2019 #9
You realize that actual data trumps your anecdotal experiences, right? BannonsLiver May 2019 #13
And I hope it's correct, because I fear another 4 years of Trump more than anything lambchopp59 May 2019 #14
The polling data in 2016 was within the MOE nationally and in key swing states. BannonsLiver May 2019 #24
"Hope" is not data.(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #44
"Youths?" cwydro May 2019 #21
+1 RelativelyJones May 2019 #29
yutes. ehrnst May 2019 #53
More like a straw man, as your responses show. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #52
You realize David Parkman is a socialist don't you? nt NYMinute May 2019 #12
LOLOL Celerity May 2019 #27
ermahgerd Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #28
Has racist and homophobic guests... ehrnst May 2019 #55
David Pakman? Really? MineralMan May 2019 #15
Bashing the messenger isn't helping lambchopp59 May 2019 #17
Do I need one? MineralMan May 2019 #18
So, do you remember H. A. Goodman? MineralMan May 2019 #20
Journal Archives for lambchopp59 is available to star members lunasun May 2019 #33
lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking. lambchopp59 May 2019 #40
Things that make you go Hmmmm. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #47
lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking. lambchopp59 May 2019 #39
My strategy is not to promote HA Goodman 2.0 WeekiWater May 2019 #23
David Pakman is the "only messenger to youth?" The ONLY one who can energize the Youth? ehrnst May 2019 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author lambchopp59 May 2019 #16
David Pakman... SidDithers May 2019 #19
HA Goodman 2.0. NT WeekiWater May 2019 #22
... LexVegas May 2019 #25
Progressives used to be well represented on DU bloom May 2019 #31
. JudyM May 2019 #36
Oh, geez, this should titled "What David Packman doesn't get about politics." OhZone May 2019 #32
I agree with him. A centrist is not what we need to defeat The orange blob. JudyM May 2019 #37
LOL HILLARY CLINTON CENTRIST betsuni May 2019 #51
You're not wrong about the millennials. kickitup May 2019 #57
 

msongs

(67,193 posts)
1. you forgot the "more below the video" part nt
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:21 PM
May 2019
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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
2. I'm referring to the inevitable bashing comments that will follow
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:28 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. Setting up that strawman right off the bat....
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:58 AM
May 2019

equating anyone who points out that Pakman is anti-Democrat with "bashing" him because he's "young," and he's "left."

And your responses prove it.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. We're seeing a pattern of claims of bashing,
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:02 AM
May 2019

most preludes to not just bashing Biden or the vast mainstream coalition but the basic functions of representative democracies themselves.

Just WHERE is this divisive and destructive poison, claiming a determination to work with Republicans to achieve common ground, is not just impossible but immoral originating?

Its sources can only be our enemies foreign and and domestic who are determined to destroy our democracy. Because creating divisions so hostile that democracy cannot function is how it’s done.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
3. David Pakman Show? On DU?
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:30 PM
May 2019
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
26. Progressives aren't allowed?
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:10 PM
May 2019

Or is he too young?

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obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
30. He gives a large platform to wingnut extremists
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:22 PM
May 2019

I am personally not a fan because of that. They have Stormfront for that.

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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
38. Way out of line comment.
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:21 AM
May 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. Why so defensive? His own home station says that.
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:44 AM
May 2019
TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show

He's more leftwing shockjock than "youth energizer."

Look a bit farther than wikipedia next time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #26)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. "known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists"
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:55 AM
May 2019
TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show






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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
11. There it is.
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:14 PM
May 2019

Dismiss the left, alienate the youth.

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stonecutter357

(12,682 posts)
35. Dismiss the left ? I'm part of the left why would i Dismiss it ?
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:34 PM
May 2019

alienate the youth . what youth ?

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
56. The millenials who didn't vote for president in 2016
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:45 AM
May 2019

68 chapters of College Democrats are urging voters not to donate to the DCCC.
These young people are some of the party's key organizers and activists. These people helped flip 40 House seats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. David Pakman is "THE left" now and "THE youth?"
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:40 AM
May 2019

Last edited Wed May 15, 2019, 07:15 AM - Edit history (1)

So if one brings up Pakman's bashing of Democrats and giving a platform to extremists, one is therefore "bashing youth and THE left."

You set up that strawman in your OP.... and now no one is defending it.

TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show
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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. The David Pakman Show ...
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:32 PM
May 2019
“... a progressive/left-wing/liberal talk radio program”

And doesn’t like Biden?

I’m shocked, not!
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Skittles

(152,964 posts)
34. not everyone likes Biden
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:48 PM
May 2019
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. He trashes Democrats. He invites racist and homophobic guests. DU isn't the place.
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:41 AM
May 2019

Last edited Wed May 15, 2019, 07:16 AM - Edit history (1)

Unless something's changed recently.

Ben Shapiro's a "youth" as well, and FoxNews pushes many of the same hit jobs on Democrats that they think have a chance.




TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show
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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
6. And? Is it a surprise we its what has been posted?
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:34 PM
May 2019
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hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
7. If understanding (or lack thereof) is correlated with age, please explain Young Conservatives, alt R
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
May 2019

and younger conservative politicos. What? age doesn't matter with conservatives, only liberal progressives?

Of course, understanding is a two-way street. When one gauges the ability to perceive and similarly conclude based solely on age then perhaps the question should be how young Republicans and youngish conservatives can fail to be more "clued in".

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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
10. They voted for who represented the most departure from lukewarm, status quo.
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:13 PM
May 2019

No matter how mistaken they were.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
54. Shockjocks are also status quo....
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:17 AM
May 2019
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
8. I don't see anyone "bashing" you..
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
9. Meant as a deflection as well as somewhat tongue in cheek, so far it's worked.
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:10 PM
May 2019

You posted this in another thread in answer to my post, reflecting on what I hear from many youths at my job.
One Biden supporter lambasted to me: "You need new friends"...
LOL-- so, quit my job, move elsewhere due to the local youths. Ahem...
Plain and simply, in my area, the youths just simply aren't excited with Biden. Most still either wrote in Bernie or just sat out the election, and.... here we are.
I'm going on 60, and fully aware of Joe Biden's environmental stance, damn proud that he was outspoken on this.
The youths, at least those near me, see a lukewarm candidate, more of the same middle of the road fence straddling "please everyone" candidate they simply aren't excited about. Another older adult figure telling them "everything will be okay with a little progression of the status quo".
He doesn't represent them.


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BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
13. You realize that actual data trumps your anecdotal experiences, right?
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:19 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
14. And I hope it's correct, because I fear another 4 years of Trump more than anything
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:29 PM
May 2019

Certainly don't want the Dem's to repeat a disastrous mistake, based on the 2016 polling data that... whoops.

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BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
24. The polling data in 2016 was within the MOE nationally and in key swing states.
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:06 PM
May 2019

What Cha posted is well outside the MOE.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. "Hope" is not data.(nt)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:42 AM
May 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. "Youths?"
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

Interesting.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
52. More like a straw man, as your responses show. (nt)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:08 AM
May 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
12. You realize David Parkman is a socialist don't you? nt
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:18 PM
May 2019
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Celerity

(42,652 posts)
27. LOLOL
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:11 PM
May 2019

Nice conflation of socialism with social democracy (perfect example of the latter being the Nordic countries, which have very robust, and yet also highly regulated, capitalist economies combined with a vibrant welfare state). They also have far greater upward social mobility than the US (the only country with worse upward social mobility in the OECD than the US is the UK.) Far less wealth inequality (and I mean FAR less) than the US as well.

You really should do some basic research before you post pablum.


Why I'm Not a Socialist

David Pakman Show



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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
28. ermahgerd
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:11 PM
May 2019

NOT THE SOCIALIZTS!!!11!!

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
55. Has racist and homophobic guests...
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:18 AM
May 2019
TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show
If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
15. David Pakman? Really?
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:30 PM
May 2019

He's the H. A. Goodman of the 2020 election.

Someone else was posting those videos recently, but I haven't seen that screen name for a while.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
17. Bashing the messenger isn't helping
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:36 PM
May 2019

What's your strategy to energize the youth vote?

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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
18. Do I need one?
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:44 PM
May 2019

OK. They should vote. That's my strategy for them. They should show up and vote in every election and demonstrate that they matter, electorally.

They should vote however they want to vote. Right now, as it happens, Joe Biden is doing well with younger people. If he becomes the nominee, as I think is very, very likely, they can vote for him, or they can vote for Trump, or they can vote for some Green Party loser. It's up to them.

And here's the thing: If they do show up and vote in percentages over 50%, they will get noticed and they'll get catered to in the next election cycle. Right now, they make up a small percentage of the overall vote, so they're not being catered to so much.

They're unreliable voters. Unless things are just right for them, they stay home. Many stay home anyhow.

So, I encourage younger people to vote in numbers that get attention. When and if they do that, they'll have more clout.

Guess what, the younger voters especially don't show up to vote in primary elections, at least not here in Minnesota. So, those who do show up get to choose the general election candidates. You know who turns out in high percentages? Baby Boomers. That's who.

So, my strategy for younger voters is: Show up at the polling place. Make your wishes known by voting. You'll be amazed!

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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
20. So, do you remember H. A. Goodman?
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:51 PM
May 2019

How about "The Sane Progressive?"

They were the equivalent of your David Pakman in the 2016 cycle. Where are they now?

I see that Pakman is doing well, though. The video you posted is monetized with 2, count 'em 2, ads on YouTube.

For that matter, where have you been since 2016? You have not been posting here until just recently. I'm just curious.

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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
33. Journal Archives for lambchopp59 is available to star members
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:36 PM
May 2019

Of course this would only include posts started and entered in the journal
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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
40. lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking.
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:42 AM
May 2019

I actually joined DU during Bush II, on a link to the Top 10 conservative idiots.
I have reasons for abandoning that handle having nothing to do with DU.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
47. Things that make you go Hmmmm. (nt)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:48 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
39. lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking.
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:40 AM
May 2019

Also replacing an email address that got me "typecast".
H.A. Goodman made the same point I'm hearing from the "Bernie or bust" youths. They inadvertently elected Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
23. My strategy is not to promote HA Goodman 2.0
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:01 PM
May 2019

Democratic bashing videos.

At least that’s a part of my strategy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. David Pakman is the "only messenger to youth?" The ONLY one who can energize the Youth?
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:47 AM
May 2019

And if someone points out that he gives a platform to extremists on the left and right, then they owe you a "plan to reach the youth?"

Looks like no one's defending that straw man you set up.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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bloom

(11,635 posts)
31. Progressives used to be well represented on DU
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:32 PM
May 2019

Have they been driven off?

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OhZone

(3,212 posts)
32. Oh, geez, this should titled "What David Packman doesn't get about politics."
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:33 PM
May 2019

Sometimes I wonder if these otherwise intelligent pundits even know how politics works.

It's not the fact that Hillary wasn't far left that sank her. It's not that she was fairly centrist. In fact, she won by almost 3 million votes, more than any white man in history. Trump squeaked by with what, a hundred thousand votes distributed in a handful of swing states And with the treasonous help of the Russians. And the fact that Hillary has been lied about for 30 years.

DP, it's about broad appeal, and the Electoral college. Biden is NOT HRC in any way. He's male and hasn't been lied about like HRC was for decades. Yes, 2016 was about sexism and racism. Biden won't suffer either.

As much as DP would like it to be something else, a helluva lot of Americans are not far left. They may like far left ideas, but they won't admit being socialist or vote for one. I think a far left candidate is automatically doomed. I know that's changing with the new generations but it hasn't yet, and the kids still aren't voting as consistently as older people. I'm not even 40 yet, but I know you have to consider the EC.

And you can't address any of our concerns about climate, sexism, woman's rights, wealth inequality, our standing in the world, or violence, as long as you have Trump in power. That IS job one.

Maybe I should start a Vlog or Podcast of my own. Or my uncle should. He's brilliant. I'm too busy with my significant other, really.


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JudyM

(29,122 posts)
37. I agree with him. A centrist is not what we need to defeat The orange blob.
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:40 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
51. LOL HILLARY CLINTON CENTRIST
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:02 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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kickitup

(355 posts)
57. You're not wrong about the millennials.
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:11 AM
May 2019

I understand your point and any doubters just need to head over to Politics-Reddit, click open a Biden thread, and read what these young people are saying.

My boys are 27 and 30. They are college educated, politically aware men. They'll vote for Biden if he's the nominee but they see him as part of the problem, not the answer to the problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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