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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:39 PM Jul 2015

Here we go. On Face the Nation this morning,

the panel discussed Netroots Nation, Sanders, O'Malley and Hillary and why saying "All lives matter" (which Bernie did not say) is not okay. As host Dickerson was winding up to go to break, John Heilemann interrupted him, saying, "Wait. This is very important. This is why Sanders will not be the nominee and Hillary will. Sander does not have the support of minorites and immigrants and Hillary does." This is from memory and a few words might be off, but not the thrust.

John Heilemann, on of the authors of Game Change, which discussed the 2008 primary, among other things, found it necessary to interrupt the host at the last second to make sure he said Hillary was going to be the nominee? Is this reporting the news or trying to make the news be as you wish it to be? Is it at least fair journalistic dommentary? No. It could not have been lighter in analysis or a more obvious, even rude, attempt to make sure the last word of the segment was that Hillary was going to be the Democratic Presidential nominee, the same thing people like him have been telling us for three years.

In a fair campaign, six months out is too early to make that kind of flat out prediction in good faith, let alone over three years. It's not journalism. It's not even crystal ball reading. It's a concerted attempt to direct the outcome of the primary.

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Here we go. On Face the Nation this morning, (Original Post) merrily Jul 2015 OP
Right. It's about driving the desired outcome. historylovr Jul 2015 #1
I won't say that. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #19
Good perspective. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2015 #36
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #37
Don't effing dismiss the "us" part of the equation! tech3149 Jul 2015 #38
That is so common and so shitty. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #2
This has been Heilemann's chant for weeks. Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #3
The People Want Bernie - The 1% Want HRC - That Tells One All They Need To Know cantbeserious Jul 2015 #4
Markos Moulitsas hammers Hillary will be the nominee every time he is on Make It Plain Snotcicles Jul 2015 #5
Meh. Both of them probably know exactly what they are trying to do. merrily Jul 2015 #9
I have recently lost respect some of those I use to think highly of. Those numbers a dwindling. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #10
That's probably not a bad thing. After all, they don't trust you, either. merrily Jul 2015 #12
Becoming a hardened cynic is not pleasant transition. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #14
From blindly duped and screwed to cynical is not so bad, esp. if there is something you can do. merrily Jul 2015 #15
I never said I wasn't skeptical. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #18
don't let it bother you, you'll get used to it after awhile. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #31
Hey, to them we are the unwashed masses. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #20
The Daily KOS Is In Bed With HRC - Make No Mistake cantbeserious Jul 2015 #28
money. delrem Jul 2015 #6
Yes. merrily Jul 2015 #11
PS. Consider making that an OP, if you can google up a link. merrily Jul 2015 #17
...! KoKo Jul 2015 #48
Resistance is futile MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #7
I hear and obey. merrily Jul 2015 #13
You find me funny? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #22
You're just funny. merrily Jul 2015 #25
What a wiseguy. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #30
I have no comeback. merrily Jul 2015 #43
Media is owned by big $$$ - TBF Jul 2015 #8
I'm doing my best! merrily Jul 2015 #27
Bernie DID A JOB on "Chuckie T" today on MTP! KoKo Jul 2015 #39
Bernie did great with Chucky! PatrickforO Jul 2015 #41
Thanks, koko. Madfloridian posted it in videos. merrily Jul 2015 #44
He's trying to MAKE the news because he's a member of the beltway establishment. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #16
The hillarians always roll their eyes when I post that their candidate is the media Doctor_J Jul 2015 #21
Among the Democratic candidates for the 2016 POTUS nomination, she most certainly is. merrily Jul 2015 #23
they also roll their eyes when you say she's for Iraq, Honduras, Libya, fracking, H1Bs, Wall Street, MisterP Jul 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #24
False advertising on TV about a candidate for POTUS, no problem. merrily Jul 2015 #26
The revolution will not be televised. azmom Jul 2015 #29
^ For sure - and younger people pay attention TBF Jul 2015 #32
I signed up three weeks just to help azmom Jul 2015 #33
I am happy to see Latinos for Bernie!! TBF Jul 2015 #34
I stand with you and Bernie. merrily Jul 2015 #45
Thank you. I stand with you Merrily azmom Jul 2015 #49
Yes! I love solidarity! It's the only way workers win. merrily Jul 2015 #50
Solidarity has been used by workers and unions, but the exact azmom Jul 2015 #51
Thanks. I love when any people stands together for a good reason. merrily Jul 2015 #52
He must have been channeling Rove on election night 2012... L0oniX Jul 2015 #40
A lot of them are channeling, but I don't think it's Rove. merrily Jul 2015 #42
I agree 100%. How is it any better than Fox "News"? Enthusiast Jul 2015 #46
Sadly this is all major networks and probably Comedy Central as well. merrily Jul 2015 #47

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
1. Right. It's about driving the desired outcome.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

Put that out often enough and people will believe it. And worse, they'll say, why bother even trying?

PatrickforO

(14,600 posts)
19. I won't say that.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

We all knew this would happen and it's beginning. All Bernie has is us, with our massive social media to help him get the word out. No one in the beltway establishment WANTS Bernie as president because he'll shake things up for the capitalist overlords.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
36. Good perspective.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jul 2015

As scared as they are of Hillary, they are terrified of a Sanders presidency.
This is the best part of Bernie's candidacy...as long as he's in the race, Hillary must stay left. If Sanders makes it to the end of primary season, and he will, Hillary must run left in the general election.

We win whether Sanders wins or not.
Thank you, Bernie!

Eta...I would gladly march behind either Hillary or Bernie as the Democratic candidate!

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
37. Like I have said before.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
38. Don't effing dismiss the "us" part of the equation!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think for a minute that he didn't consider being sidelined and dismissed not just by the media but the party infrastructure and the pundit class.
The decision to run within the party structure was the only one in the political environment even considering the apparent risks.
Remember how long he talked about considering a run?
All that time wasn't just spent thinking and reflecting. That was the time he was trying to find out if we were really willing to put it on the line for someone who shared and supported our interests.
This isn't about him but we damned sure better make sure he is the tip of the spear.
Support for Sanders should be nothing more than the beginning of a movement.
We should all recognize the forces we will have to overcome. The money, media, and lazy thinking public are truly formidable problems to deal with, but we can do it!
Bypass the media, become the media. If you hang out here at DU you've probably got million stories you could tell your neighbors about how they are being screwed and dis-informed by corporate media. Don't just sell it, share it!
Print up flyers, a newsletter, print news link business cards and get them out there. Put them anywhere you can because you never know who is on the edge of giving the system a kick in the ass.
I have to lead an isolated life but one of my contributions is to rebroadcast informative radio shows on a small FM transmitter. It might only cover a mile or so but it puts the voice out there.
Support the revolution any way you can but at this point, we have no choice.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. This has been Heilemann's chant for weeks.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

Find it interesting that more people do not see how the M$M is orchestrating all and every News Talk and Round Table discussion on the Cable or Networks. The only one who seems to challenge these Washington Insiders is,Bernie Sanders. Typical Ambush Journalism,notice how it works,thirty seconds to cut and it produces twenty four hours of tape rewinds to beat some one over the head with. The public seems to only have the attention span of a Gnat.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
5. Markos Moulitsas hammers Hillary will be the nominee every time he is on Make It Plain
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jul 2015

with Mark Thompson. He is relentless, and he tries to come off as neutral. Even Thompson buys into it most of the time.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Meh. Both of them probably know exactly what they are trying to do.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jul 2015

A pervasive pattern is no accident.

Ever see the Daily Show air a video mashup of about ten different talking heads, talking about the same thing and using identical words? No accident.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
10. I have recently lost respect some of those I use to think highly of. Those numbers a dwindling. nt
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jul 2015

PatrickforO

(14,600 posts)
20. Hey, to them we are the unwashed masses.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

Better to be kept poor, ignorant and docile while those who know 'better than us' make policies that continue taking what we have and giving it to the top 1/10 of 1%.

But we KNOW, and once you know, you can never go back.

Bernie's in it, and with our help he can win it.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. money.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jul 2015

Money doesn't just flow to candidates and campaigns, but that same money then flows from candidates and campaigns as well.

I was reading somewhere about AIPAC's intensified lobbying against the recent nuclear deal between p5+1/Iran, and one thing I noticed because I'd been wondering about the subject in general is that AIPAC was putting out millions of dollars directly to "journalists" to do research and put out a story. The wink-wink about it, of course, is that along with the money comes the "research" materials and story-line. That's money going to hundreds of journalists - editorial writers, TV pundits, and so on. The people informing us about what's what on "the most trusted newscast in America" etc. I'd always suspected that kind of thing to be going on, in fact driving most of the MSM messaging on all topics, but it isn't something I wanted to speculate on openly because I'd rather not be accused of "CT" and "tinfoil" etc. -- but there in this story it was written as being common fact.

So likewise in primary and GE campaigns, no doubt. After all, where else would all those $billions (wow, think about it - the temptation is enormous!) go? Some to TV/radio/newspaper/blog ads, of course. But a lot also directly to "journalists" and "pundits" and "experts", to do exactly what you've described. No doubt all of them are driving flash cars, living in luxury condos, filling their RRSP's, on an absolute flood of money. Well, it used to be a flood of money, now it's a tsunami.

With that much money flooding the MSM *and* internet, I don't trust much, and it's hard for me to imagine that there isn't a flood of money also being pumped into Dem/liberal online sites of all kinds (including Kos, this site, and others esp. where large money is already a factor). So my ears are perked to anomalies,

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. Yes.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

Funny I should read your post right after I posted Reply 9.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128029882#post9

I didn't know about the billions, but I do know that federal agencies and others send out videotaped "news" segments to broadcast outlets who then air it without disclosing the source. That came out during the Bush administration. Then, during the Obama administration, Congress passes a law saying the federal government has authority to propagandize Americans. Geez, what have they been doing all along? And what more did they want to do that they thought required a new law?

Sent a shiver, it did. Instead, the law should have required news outlets to state when they or their own network did not prepare a new story they are presenting.

Speaking of CT and tinfoil, do you notice whom those accusations benefit? Yet, from history, we know that it's as plain as the nose on anyone's face that you can't assume you've been told everything, nor can you take everything you've been told at face value.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
22. You find me funny?
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jul 2015

I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to @#$%in' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. I have no comeback.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:24 AM
Jul 2015

2 yys u r,
2 yys u b
I c u r
2 yys 4 me.

(written to my sister by her classmate, upon their elementary school graduation)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. I'm doing my best!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

I don't have a lot of hope about promoting on DU. But IRL and in other places online, yes.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
39. Bernie DID A JOB on "Chuckie T" today on MTP!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jul 2015

"Chuckie T"...couldn't wait to show Bernie being confronted by "BLM" at the Netroots Nation Campaign Forum.

BUT...Bernie talked on and on expressing why he was running and "Chuckie's" Producer never got a chance to show that clip. It was obvious "Chuckie T" didn't know how to deal with a Politician who Speaks the Truth and is not Distracted by the idiocy of any of the MSM's "Hosts" who want to ensnare and trap any Dem Guests.

Bernie did GREAT. I'm sure that didn't go unnoticed by the "Meet the Press Audience" and their Repub Followers.

DON'T MESS WITH BERNIE! He knows "THE GAME" better than the rest of the MSM...TOADIES for CORPORATE INTERESTS.

It was a Fantastic Watch!
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. The hillarians always roll their eyes when I post that their candidate is the media
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

darling. They are in denial

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. Among the Democratic candidates for the 2016 POTUS nomination, she most certainly is.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jul 2015

When it comes to her vs. Republicans, maybe not.

You have to remember too, that a tactic of both Clintons has been to say again and again that Republicans and/or the media are being unfair to them.

So, when a new story comes out, the reaction/talking point from their admirers is, oh, there goes that unfairness again.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
35. they also roll their eyes when you say she's for Iraq, Honduras, Libya, fracking, H1Bs, Wall Street,
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jul 2015

neoliberalism, and a strong dose of selectivity and delay when it comes to social issues

she clearly can't be, you see, because they don't want her to be: airtight logic

the more Americans see how the deck is always being stacked, the less they'll like it, and the less they can be made to forget or go attention-blind to it, to just get ACCUSTOMED to it

Response to merrily (Original post)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. False advertising on TV about a candidate for POTUS, no problem.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

False advertising on TV about a toothpaste does violate the law though. After all, we do have our priorities!

I agree with your commentary about the TV paradigm.

TBF

(32,114 posts)
32. ^ For sure - and younger people pay attention
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jul 2015

to Twitter even if they don't tweet often. And that is who you need to affect change.

TBF

(32,114 posts)
34. I am happy to see Latinos for Bernie!!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

Here in Texas many Latinos I've met want Hillary At least they did in 2008 when we were campaigning - I was a co-precinct chair. Hillary won our area and ultimately Texas. But maybe it will be different this time.

Of course in Texas my goal is just to see folks registered to vote at this point. Demographics are still holding us down but we're getting closer as the dinosaurs age.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
51. Solidarity has been used by workers and unions, but the exact
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015

Meaning of the word is the following: unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group.

I stand in solidarity with Bernie and all those that are being hurt by a rigged system. A rigged system that is failing to address the needs of ordinary Americans. We must stand together and demand change. Real change.

Latinos for Bernie

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. Thanks. I love when any people stands together for a good reason.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015
I stand in solidarity with Bernie and all those that are being hurt by a rigged system.


Most of us are being hurt to one degree or another by a rigged system, but some much more than others.

I cannot say I am among the most hurt, but I can say that I am in solidarity.
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
40. He must have been channeling Rove on election night 2012...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

you know ...that tv video of him ...gets real good around 18 minutes in. LMAO

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. Sadly this is all major networks and probably Comedy Central as well.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jul 2015

Same talking points, all of them.

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