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I am sick of the bullshit. Even with the hell that is life sometimes and the real political battles that we face, I like to smile and be a peace. That is impossible here any more.
Onward to bigger, better, and greater things!
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This was never about Sanders the man for me or I suspect most of us. It is about the politics. It is about getting back to the leftist roots of economic and social justice. That he was the right man in the right moment is what fate is all about. I watched Sanders morph from a rather unassuming but obviously passionate progressive congress person into the bold, passionate, and progressive leader of a movement.
I am so proud of him and us for fighting all the way to the convention and beyond. The Democratic Party will change or it will die. This is the lesson of the cycles of history.
We are the future, yes. The thinkers, the lovers of justice and egalitarianism and truth and a future for all people.
YES! Beautifully stated, and I could not agree more!
AND your great comments above.
I campaigned for Jesse Jackson in Cincinnati in 1984. I met Jesse very briefly at Lunken Airport, when his plane stopped there to refuel, yes at that small old airport. He and a few of his staff and I and a few other local campaigners had coffee for, oh maybe 45 minutes. I will never forget it. And I will never forget his magnetism at a huge rally in downtown Cincinnati... I worked hard for him and he won the county!!
Bernie has the same thing....
Once JPR has their new format, I'll be there..
I was in Ohio at the time going to college.
I so wish he would have come out strongly as an endorser for Sanders. I really think that was a missed opportunity that he will later regret if either Trump or Clinton become president.
Great to know. See you there!
where we belong.
You have put up with a lot of my passionate anger. I have gotten myself into trouble with the bullies and the sycophants more times than I can count.
And no it is never goodbye. Sometimes we just need a new home. And we have found one. Hell, we are making one! 
Yes, we do!
Heading to the test site as we speak! 
Thank y'all for being some of the most amazing liberals and progressives I have ever seen. That is what I love about the coalitions that have developed around Sanders. Frankly, we are just some amazing people. And modest too! 
As soon as she is annointed, I'm out of here and will see everyone over at JPR.
What has been amazing to me is to see the same things we used to fight against while Dubya was president are now ok here on a progressive site.
ps - do you know the name of the episode of House of Cards? I do want to watch.
We have been maligned, insulted, kicked, bullied, lied about, and frankly abused. No more!
And I definitely agree. I see the same type of behavior I witness with my MBA classmates during the GW administration as I see demonstrated here with the Clinton supporters. This how I know they are truly conservatives.
I believe the episode was #11 in Season 4.
Thanks!
A respite from the storm, and there are and will be more.
See you there!
I've been a member here for a long time and a lurker for even longer. It's painful to think about leaving, but leave I will in the next few weeks 
Thank you!
I love knowing you are at JPR.
more hides than I care to admit here!
I mean I can actually debate the merits of certain words and only get a slight hinee slappin' from some moderators. 
They insult left and right and spew some of the most vicious bile at Sanders and his supporters, some downright anti-Semitic, but then feign innocence if it is thrown back at them or her. Like Clinton, they really were expecting this to be a cakewalk. Not anymore it ain't!
a **you know what** in a nice looking outfit, that complimented her skin tone...
See you next Tuesday?
Summers of my formative years were spent there, learning to appreciate the world outside the US. I also learned to smoke and drink and call people of both sexes c--t. No one bats an eye.
But most are just not a politically savvy as those that post on sites like this.
If voter suppression didn't work, no one would try to do it.
This entire primary has been one dirty trick after another. Fucking disgusting!
and then again I may not need to as JPR 2.0 comes online.
Thank you!
If I read anything here, I will block every ad.
I just wish I could get Salmon Enchanted Evening to bring the LOLcats to JPR.
Created by former DUers in memory of a late, loved, and much lamented member of our community- jackpineradicals.org
We are the children...
Oh, sorry... 
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Though it always does take a new generation to move this forward.
I agree with your OP wholeheartedly. I had to stop reading when you started talking about House of Cards though, since I have yet to watch it.
I haven't completely decided whether I'm going to flame out or just stop coming around, but it's getting really tiring dealing with the asstrolls who resemble teabaggers and they've turned it up to 11 ever since Skinner decided democracy isn't really that important.
I'll see you elsewhere...
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The season is done so I spaced. I will add that.
I won't give them the satisfaction of a flame out. This is not a GBCW. This is a post of thanks for those who are real, honorable, intelligent, and true progressives left here.
You better believe you will!
I suspect that time-frame is accurate.
I am certain many will be very very pleased.
You are most welcome there.
and I think it was more a miscommunication than anything else.
And you are right. Our society is very dysfunctional. It probably always will be but each generation will deal with a new version of that dysfunction. They must figure out a solution. What saddens me is that books I read and teachers I studied with decades now ago correctly predicted the rise of pathological narcissism as acceptable in our culture today.
DU reflects a war that is going on between that which is healthy and that which is not. How could we not have gotten sucked into it and had some conflict? Dysfunctional families and other 'fields' engender the same.
I am glad that we saw through it and do realize that we are on the same side and always were.
Stay as long as you need to. I stayed longer than I initially planned for the same reasons. But now with JPR 2.0 in the works, I want to devote time I save by not posting here to making there the best place possible. That requires some work, responsibility, and a little extra free time. And gods know I don't have a lot of that!
Thanks! See you very soon as well.
Yes, I am not leaving in defeat or anger. Hell I am leaving in victory and in joy!
DU is MySpace circa 2005 just before Facebook took off. DU and DailyKos are not long for this new age where decentralized social media like Facebook and Twitter allow instant communication instead of the slowness of forums. And when we want to be on forums, damn it, we want to be someplace where we are respected, feel safe to communicate, and can engage with like minds. And if we are debating against each other, it has to be without the bullying that has taken over DU this election season. If I want to debate a conservative, I will do so at DI. And there I find they are more polite, respectful, and honorable even if we totally disagree on so many things.
JPR is in the process of moving to our next version. I can't tell you how many times daily I see our programmer/admins working on the speed and caching issues. They are tireless in their efforts to make something great. And that is what I and so many others want, another place that is great for progressives and leftists.
Check us out again really soon!
And drop me a PM here or there if you are having problems. I will connect with Admin and see what we need to do to get such things fixed permanently.
I experienced abuse as a kid. My mother, no matter how much I loved her and still do, is an alcoholic. Thankfully she is now a recovery one. I often stay longer than I should trying to 'help' others and can get hyper-responsible at times.
There is so much coming with JPR that I want that time I waste here arguing with bullies and abusers to spent there building something wonderful.
Even an old dog like me can still re-learn a thing or two!
and posted to you on one of your threads. Thank you! It is still slow but was faster today so YAY! Waiting patiently
Sometimes I like to debate conservatives, just not those that claim to be Democrats!
For some reason I haven't actually known you long here (but then, I've always been bad with names) even so I feel like I've known you for all my life, as close friends & kindred spirits.. I've enjoyed your posts and engaging with you immensely.
The hypocrisy has been predictable and continues to challenge my patience beyond measure. It's virtually impossible to manage to skim through their inane headers, let alone read what these people post, despite the fact I have so many on ignore. That list has grown exponentially since the primary began.. taking a vacation myself.
Don't know if I'll be writing it off completely. There are a few I take pleasure reading that probably won't be moving on, for instance H2OMan is someone I love reading.
I am anxiously awaiting the upgrade of the other site as I find it a bit clunky for me at the moment.. I hope it's soon!
Dude!
I feel that way about so many of y'all as well.
My patience is gone. I have never tolerated fools or bullies gladly. I will rack up more hides than I should if I keep engaging these fools and bullies here. And for what purpose? When I answered that question, I knew it was time to move on.
I have been reading DU since it began. I am sure I will pop in periodically to read it in the future. It is just no longer a community that I would stand to be a part of. Besides, like you I need to read H2OMan and Sunday's just aren't the same without Salmon. Maybe in times, they will find us.
It is clunky and it is getting so much better. Hell even DU is on its third iteration. These things take time. And I would rather devote it to building a new progressive community that fighting conservatives here to save this one.
Y'all are why I came, why I stayed, and why I now go off to make something every better!
I've lurked here for many years but only recently joined. I've been a dem all my life.
After seeing the lies circulated about Sanders civil rights background ("photo-gate", "I-never-saw-him-gate" and seeing the ugly echo chamber on other supposedly liberal websites, I knew we were in trouble. Someone somewhere made progressives the enemy of the dem party instead of recognizing that centrist policies didnt go far enough as to be effective (especially with a GOP congress). It might've been adequate in 2008 after 8 years of GWB but 2016 is a different game altogether. Hillary was made to look like Obama's heir apparent, no questions asked.
HRC may very well poach many voters from the GOP which could offset any BoBs but only time will tell. This election has me very disheartened.
HRC may still the Democratic nomination. I am prepared for that. No, BoB's may not be enough to stop her from becoming President. I don't want her or Trump. I am preparing for both of those possibilities.
This site is for them. Skinner is for her. I still know that Sanders is not done. Not next Tuesday, not the following, and not until the convention is done!
So I want to be around those that still share my faith, my hope, and my vision for a future that is better than the one I am looking towards. I don't want my nieces and nephews to pay the prices that I have.
The revolution did not start with Sanders, and it won't end with him either. 
You have been my conscience at times when I wanted to just go nuts on the bullies and the bastards!
I know the truth of DU and have for some time. That's why I said in spite of it, there was a strong anti-war voice here in those years. There were many strong progressives then that yes, began to be silenced and ousted year after year after year.
I will see you at the new homestead! You are someone I don't want to ever say a permanent good bye to!
permanent good bye to me. Even if I change boards, other boards may allow me to tell you where I am going.
I had no idea I served as your conscience at times. I'm glad I didn't know. It's too much responsibility! Besides, you are so much wiser than I. If I told you my date of birth, you'd get the truth of that.
I will miss your DU posts. Thank goodness I know where to find you.
It was never your responsibility, but you always seen to see when I was going off the rails and PM'ed me sometimes just in the nick of time!
Hell if people are starting to think I am wise, I know I am getting way too old!
Yup, you know where to find me.
was threatening them or censoring them--as if just4 alerting on their posts if that were the case would not have been much easier for me. Anyway, that was early on. Now, they just thank me. Sometimes, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Sometimes, it's just
I took it for the compassion and caring nudge that it always was.
average bear.
love prevails - and so does truth.
about love prevailing with all the childish, rude, and banal behavior here.
Y'all have reminded me yet again that it does and it simply must!
Thank you.
I think the masks have fallen off. The truth has been revealed. The establishment is now the enemy of progressives as it is conservative corporatists with just a dash of very moderate social justice thrown in to keep us voting for them.
Not me. Not any more. I haven't voted for a Clinton yet.
I think you wrote this for a lot of us who are moving on. I come here less and less and find that I don't miss the place, the abuse or the drama.
Thanks for everything and I'll see you at home. The revolution continues....
They are going to miss us. Who will they fight with, troll, and suck the lifeforce from?
On to much better things! 
I have tried but the flack is just not worth it for me anymore. Besides my fan club will likely alert on this thread given the way they act here lately.
We'll leave the lights on!
I always felt it was a huge mistake to try and run this place without moderators. Politeness became a liability, over aggressiveness got its payoff. I remember the rationales, ... but that's all in the past.
I wish you a safe journey as you go "to sail beyond the sunset". Hope to see you around there.
Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45392
I have had my fair share of hides pushing back against bullies and the bullshit.
Y'all know where to find me.
Always have I loved Tennyson. Thank you for that!
Serendipity struck, and so I quoted from the result.
but at least there are options with communicating with people chosen to support the site and its membership.
Hope things get worked out for you.
or here (will check for at least another week) if you need any assistance.
the spirit of that poem does come to mind, from time to time. And of course you're very welcome, I'm glad you liked it.
that was Jimmy Carter when I worked for Habitat for Humanity as a teen. Then I became a part of the Rainbow Coalition and supported Jesse Jackson.
I have been waiting for another good Democratic candidate like these three for decades now. Finally Sanders stepped up. Seeing how he and us have been treated, I agree with you.
Thank you!
I did what I could here and stood up to the bullies and bullshit. Too many of hides show that sad truth. And I don't like losing my temper like I have here with some. Why continue with such stress and misery? Better things, better people, and a better site lie elsewhere.
And yes, I love the Grateful Dead too!
Hell this thread should evolve into a one with great songs about revolution, hope for the future, and all those things we are fighting for with Sanders and the revolution!
I still have the Hillary group trashed, and I am certain they are discussing this thread like the mean girls that they are.
Hell one stellar example of the Clinton crew sent me such a kind going away PM --
Thanks for the reminder, beaglelover, of why it is time to leave.
I keep telling my husband who hasn't seen the show that I swear it seems like it's loosely based on the Clintons. There's a yuge part of the collective who may decide they still need to have the experience of continuing the status quo, which of course won't work. They haven't woken up. Yet. See you at JPR!
Of course it does because it is a show about a political machine and ruthless and vile lengths to which some will go in order to fulfill their political ambitions, no matter the cost.
See you there!
I know the frustration must be daunting..
I'm sure our (Bernie supporters & independent thinking liberals) paths will cross again..
I have fought bigotry and injustice for much of my life both for myself and for others.
I will never give up the battle. Sometimes you just have to move to a better vantage point to continue to war.
That they shall.
have great taste in music.
Great song, fitting farewell. Thanks.
of the Democratic Party.
She skipped NetRoots Nation Convention.
She skipped the Moveon.Org Forum.
("Thank you, Bernie, for showing up"
Team Hillary apparently underrated the Left. It turns out the Progressives are more involved, enthusiastic, determined and vocal than than she anticipated.
The Political Revolution will move onward...
for all that you've done here at DU. I've been here since 2005 and I've been a Democrat since the early 70s. After watching the lies, distortions and mean spirited venom hurled at us during this campaign there is no way to have any meaningful conversations here anymore. There are so many horrible things that have been said that I can't forget them. Even in the height of battle during a primary some of the things that were said and pushed are just unforgivable. I've actually had more civil conversations with Republicans than some of the "Democrats" here at DU. The fact that so many Hillary supporters have flip flopped on principles that have long been a part of the Democratic Party is just staggering to see.
As a feminist since the early 70s I've cringed as I watched Hillary supporters use the term sexism as a weapon to silence others. I was also very angry at the lies that were pushed about Sanders supporters being racist. The people who did that are not people I want to associate with at any level. So I too will make the transition to JPR because I don't support what the Party has become. That's pretty sad considering I've been a registered Democrat since the 1970s. And what's even sadder is that the Hillary people here would just tell me don't let the door hit you on the way out. People who have a win at all cost mindset are so wrapped up in winning that they don't see that they are burning down everything around them. And when they do notice it they aren't even honest enough with themselves to admit that they may have gone too far. They will instead blame everyone else but themselves. I will stay here long enough to pm some of the people I respect to let them know that I'm leaving but then I'm gone too.
EDIT: My thanks goes out to all of the Sanders supporters here at DU. You make me proud.
I knew I would not be able to support Clinton after her racist 2008 campaign against Obama. I didn't expect to see a candidate like Sanders jump in, but damn, was I happy when he did.
The level of mean girl, vile, bullying, and childishly obnoxious behavior here has truly been stunning. Fighting back against it so often leads us to their level. Sometimes I fell into that trap. Well no more. They want us gone. Then so be it, we are gone.
Find us at JPR please. Yours is a voice that should continue to speak out.
Back at you. I am under the name noretreatnosurrender at JPR.
I know the deck is stacked. I know I have a fan club. Hell I expect this thread to be juried.
I just don't suffer fools and bullies gladly. But hey I guess an angry black man can only be that way if he supports Clinton and not Sanders. 
JPR grows on you and it isn't as complicated as it seems...more counter-intuitive. And we are making some great changes. Soon.
Indeed it does!
....it's a "See you over there"!
I am bva22, and I approve the above message, every single word.
That means a lot. I have always valued your posts.
We will all meet again. Thanks for the work you put into this great group.
Great song and an even greater band.
See you there friend!
are one or the other.
Today takes the cake. 
But thanks for asking.
