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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:54 PM May 2016

How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences

by
Seth Abramson

Sentence #1: If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus-won) delegates or more, the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.

Sentence #2: Superdelegates were created in 1984 to enable elected Democratic Party officials and some others of high standing within the Party (including, remarkably, some lobbyists) to overturn the will of the voters if the Party deems it necessary for a November general election win; in both this election cycle and every other, superdelegates interviewed by the media have stated, en masse, that they are in no way bound to vote for the pledged delegate or popular-vote winner, but instead cast their July ballots on the basis of — depending upon which superdelegate you talk to — “the good of the Party” or “who can win in November” (the two usually being seen as synonymous).

Sentence #3: Hillary Clinton currently leads Bernie Sanders in pledged delegates, superdelegates, and the popular vote, and would continue to lead Sanders even were the pledged or superdelegate allotment rules to be changes in any one of a number of ways, but has nevertheless failed to receive 59 percent of the pledged delegates — despite having every possible advantage on her opponent American politics is able to bestow, both financially, in terms of Party support, and in terms of the logistics of individual state electoral processes — a fact for which she has only her own poor campaigning skills and inability to generate a 59-percent-plus level of enthusiasm from Democrats to blame; what this means is that her only hope for clinching the Democratic nomination, short of a Sanders concession that the Senator has assured the nation is not forthcoming, is to convince a large number of superdelegates to not just voice support but actually vote for her when they cast their ballots at the Democratic convention in July.

Sentence #4: Superdelegates, who have only been around for six contested Democratic primaries, have, depending upon the primary, not previously voted against the pledged-delegate or popular-vote leader for one of two reasons: either the candidate leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote has been a “strong front-runner” with more than 59 percent of the pledged delegates, making superdelegate votes immaterial, or else the candidate behind in pledged delegates and the popular vote has conceded prior to the Democratic National Convention, rendering superdelegate votes essentially meaningless; in the 2016 Democratic primary, it is presumed by the media and many political observers that superdelegates will not switch their endorsements from Hillary Clinton, not because she leads in pledged delegates and the popular vote, and not because the current hard data suggests she’s the strongest Democratic candidate for the fall, but rather because she and her husband built the modern neoliberal Democratic Party and therefore own more cultural capital within that context than any other husband and spouse, she and her husband have raised a lot of money for the Party, and she and her husband are believed to be such strong fundraisers that it is felt they will be able to spend their way to a low-turnout general-election victory against Donald Trump.


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How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences (Original Post) n2doc May 2016 OP
Oh, come on. we all kow that is more than three sentences. pangaia May 2016 #1
They're single sentences nxylas May 2016 #5
LOL !! pangaia May 2016 #7
I don't like to think myself as an idiot but thank you this was very informative. kpola12 May 2016 #2
Thanks for posting this very informative article. Lokijohn May 2016 #3
Leave out the "winning by 3 million votes" because it simply isn't true. TalkingDog May 2016 #4
I think it is a debating tactic to use their points against them n/t n2doc May 2016 #6
Not only Clinton says she has a three million popular vote lead. pangaia May 2016 #8
THANK YOU, TALKING DOG! PLEASE MAKE THIS AN OP! Peace Patriot May 2016 #9

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
5. They're single sentences
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

Just absurdly long, run-on sentences that would come back covered in red ink if you handed them in to an English teacher.

Lokijohn

(46 posts)
3. Thanks for posting this very informative article.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

I have one critique: the title could be shortened without losing any meaning to 'How to explain the Sanders campaign to an idiot' .
Go Bernie!

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
4. Leave out the "winning by 3 million votes" because it simply isn't true.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hillary-and-Her-Surrogates-by-Rob-Kall-Hillary-Clinton_Popular-Vote_Surrogates-160511-219.html

Take a close look at Washington state, which Bernie won with 72.7% of the votes. RealClearPolitics gives him zero votes, with its 7.2 million population.

The same goes for Maine, where Bernie had a 29% spread and Alaska where he won over 81% of the vote. Zero. Zilch. Nada. In Wyoming, Bernie is given 32 votes, not 32,000. He is given 32 votes.

It's ridiculous. But it's not ridiculous that Clinton claims she has a three million popular vote lead. It's an intentional, obscenely misleading, dishonest claim.

When a super delegate claims he or she is representing the will of the majority, basing it on the three million lead popular vote, it's based on a lie. Challenge that superdelegate.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. Not only Clinton says she has a three million popular vote lead.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

The Hillistas here do it 300 times a day.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
9. THANK YOU, TALKING DOG! PLEASE MAKE THIS AN OP!
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

I can't do it right now, but I'm bookmarking it to do it tonight or tomorrow if you don't. I saw a comment about this damned lie about Clinton's "popular vote"--but with no details. People need to know this.

Sanders is getting swindled in so many ways but this one is particularly telling. It is THIS lie that makes Sanders' overwhelming lead over Trump in all polls since January attackable by Clinton supporters as not that important. Who cares about polls, they say, when Clinton has so many votes? Of course, they ignore the fact that 40+% of the electorate are Independents and are choosing Sanders over Trump in the matchup polls in addition to Democrats choosing Sanders over Trump, and the Democratic primaries reflect only a limited portion of the electorate. But clearly Clinton supporters are loading their case with a lie.

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