For believers do you feel safe in your house of worship after Charleston?

[hrmjustin]

Interfaith post.


I have to say I was a little apprehensive going to church this weekend. I still went but i felt nervous.

[TexasProgresive]

1. pretty much, but you can never know.

How Roof sat down with the Bible study reminded me of a Bible study I was in that was all men. We met in the evening and more than once we had men down on their luck visit us for prayer and assistance.

[hrmjustin]

2. I never did a bible session before.

[TexasProgresive]

3. It was really good.

The group was small usually 6 to 9. One of us was selected to moderate. That's necessary to prevent someone from running the discussion and it is always good to have someone gently move it on when a dead horse is being beaten. Because of the size of the group and all men they really opened up in ways that a lot of men won't. We were pretty diverse; 2 carpenters, one welder, one undertaker, one cotton farmer, one butcher and a couple of electronic technicians.

[hrmjustin]

4. Sounds like. Good fellowship.

[goldent]

5. I don't think about it. I guess like most of these things, I think

it could never happen to me. Fortunately, statistics are on my side.

[ColesCountyDem]

6. Yes, I do.

What will be, will be. We are all in God's hands.

[AlbertCat]

14. We are all in God's hands.

[hrmjustin]

25. Self delete this post.

Statement of Purpose

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1264


This violates our safe haven.

[JRLeft]

48. ^This

He seems to ignore people 100% of the time.

[No Vested Interest]

7. I feel as safe in my church a I do in my own home - perhaps even more so.

When I'm in church, I'm with a number of people,
In my home, I'm most often alone, and therefore vulnerable to whomever or whatever may befall me.
Typically, I don't worry about either circumstance.

[Heddi]

8. Why would you feel unsafe? The attack was about race, not religion

Unless you go to a historically black church with a 200+year history of being attacked for supporting black equality, I'm not sure why you'd feel uneasy at church.

Certainly you're not buying the right-wing version of this being an attack on Christians rather than an attack because of race, are you?

[hrmjustin]

9. Did I say anything that the right wingers said? No!

I asked believers if they felt safe. A perfectly good and reasonable question in this room.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. You live in the interface between radioactive molten stone and a hard vacuum. Did you feel safe befo

Re?

[hrmjustin]

12. I felt safe fof the most part in church before but i was a bit scared to go this weekend.

But i went.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Fair enough. Everything is relative I guess.

[hrmjustin]

15. And my question was perfectly appreciate.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. ?

My phone has been stabbing me in the back lately too.

[hrmjustin]

21. My op was perfectly appreciate for this room.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Appropriate?

I don't doubt that. Just curious if you actually felt safe before. It's something I don't possess a concept of.

[hrmjustin]

24. Then why are other atheists coming in this room to complain about my post?

This is a safe haven.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. I know.

I saw your question in Subscriptions. Found it curious.

[hrmjustin]

27. Odd that it took you two days and right after heddi don't you think?

[AtheistCrusader]

28. I am attracted to thread activity.

[hrmjustin]

29. Oh please. Three of you all at once?

[AtheistCrusader]

31. Seems as though you refresh the forum as much as I do. vOv

[hrmjustin]

34. I think you have pushed your luck enough!

[AtheistCrusader]

36. I am not here to start a fight.

I'm sorry you seem upset. I asked an honest question and you answered it, which I appreciate you taking time to do.

I don't believe I have done anything to warrant aggravation.

[kentauros]

33. I understand that you can't comprehend our concerns.

Yet this is not the place to question that.

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

In case you somehow don't realize it, you're treading on thin ice right now. Self-delete your post or there may be a different kind of delete happening next.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Questions are not allowed?

I asked a simple and respectful question for clarification. I got an answer, said fair enough.

HRMJustin's only concern with the question seems to be around the timing of my post. So no, I will not self delete like I did something wrong. I asked, he answered. We were done at that point, except he seemed concerned that I thought his question was inappropriate or wrong. I believe I answered that concern. Nothing wrong with the question.

If you want to ban me for asking an honest question to gain some perspective on his concern, you go right ahead.

[kentauros]

37. "Honest question"

Look, we all know your method of "discussion" and it's far from honest, sincere, and so forth. Twist, obfuscate, and debate, not conversational. Especially when asking your "honest question" by means of planetary physics not in the least related to the truly honest apprehension some are feeling after this tragedy.

I know you're smart enough to figure it out, and likely already have. We simply do not feel your sincerity in your questioning. And that's the honest truth.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. Except I did not lead him into a follow up question or post.

There was no intent for an extended conversation, no challenge, no disagreement.

If you dislike me so much I cannot ask a simple question, receive and accept a simple answer, and be done with it, why didn't you just ban me last time I posted here?

[el_bryanto]

45. Actually I've found Atheist Crusader to be largely honest and sincere

Wrong, but honest and sincere. Certainly when you compare him to [name redacted] or [name redacted] Atheist Crusader is pretty straightforward I think.

Bryant

[hrmjustin]

39. Honest question?

"You live in the interface between radioactive molten stone and a hard vacuum. Did you feel safe befo"


Tell that story to someone else sho believes it.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. That's actually not my question.

If you google the phrase, you'll see it's a standard rhetorical question about the concept of 'safety'.

Sorry, if that's what bothered you. It's quite common but you may not have heard it before. It's meant to convey the vast relative scope of the term 'safety'.

[hrmjustin]

10. And for your information my parish has had death threats and the westboro baptist church protest

Funerals outside our church.

[kentauros]

32. It's a reasonable apprehension.

I'm not going to explain it further. Rather, I'll just repeat what I posted at the bottom of the thread, as y'all seem to have some trouble with comprehension of concept of "safe haven":

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

Self-delete your post or there may be a different kind of delete happening next.

[AlbertCat]

16. do you feel safe in your house of worship

Why wouldn't you?


There's not any persecution of Christians going on in this country..... all pearl clutching false memes to the contrary being beside the point.

[hrmjustin]

17. Are you saying we should not talk about our feelings in this safe haven?

[AlbertCat]

18. Are you saying we should not talk about our feelings in this safe haven?

Did you see me post "You should not talk about your feelings in this safe haven!"?

[hrmjustin]

19. Seems odd you would come into our safe have to tell us what we should feel.

And that is what you did.

[kentauros]

30. It's reasonable to have such apprehension.

Now, if you can't remember what this group is about or our SOP, let me remind you:

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

Self-delete your post or there may be a different kind of delete happening next.

[hrmjustin]

41. I find it sad that some people felt the need to violate this safe haven.

It is clear that since several of us are no longer engaging them in the religion room that they have a need to find us here.

Their obsession is clear and they need to get over it.

[Starboard Tack]

47. Not enough crumbs in the main dining hall I guess

Regarding the OP, I don't think you need to fear going to church, unless you attend a black church in the south. Elsewhere, I would be more nervous attending services in a synagogue or mosque.

[kentauros]

42. I can understand that apprehension.

Some people would feel the same if we had a mass-murder at a grocery store or a library. It puts people on edge, and they become more wary of their surroundings. The original reason for the mass-murder has nothing to do with having such fear. That emotion is already irrational and can't always be suppressed. This is about similar places being the site of such tragedies.

Besides, I do feel that being a little more aware of your surroundings is a good thing. Too many, even in church, have difficulty being away from their phones.

[Lordquinton]

43. If i were going to an African American church yes

But the Episcopal church of Lafayette or Benicia California I have no reason to be afraid.

[el_bryanto]

44. I suppose I didn't have any more trepidation than I would in any other public place

Whenever there is a terrorist act like that, you start thinking "well what if they struck this restaurant" or "what if they struck this movie theater."

That said, it passed quickly - it was clearly an attack motivated by racism not religion.

Bryant

[kwassa]

46. There are Confederate soldiers buried in our church graveyard.

As they came down from Maryland to attack Washington, were killed and buried.

It is quite bizarre.

But, no fear, no threats. Wildly diverse congregation.