Can we discuss the Technological Singularity here (and the movie "Her")? It's philosophical.

[rhett o rick]

The technological singularity, or simply the singularity, is a hypothetical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence, radically changing civilization, and perhaps human nature.[1] Since the capabilities of such an intelligence may be difficult for a human to comprehend, the technological singularity is often seen as an occurrence (akin to a gravitational singularity) beyond which the future course of human history is unpredictable or even unfathomable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

Spoiler warning if you havent seen the movie "Her".

[CJCRANE]

1. Yes we can. I just had a vision of a post-singularity world after reading this.

Sort of like an anthill with autonomous cars moving around all over the planet, all networked together.

[rhett o rick]

2. That's your vision of life after the singularity? nm

[CJCRANE]

3. *SPOILER* In William Gibson's "Neuromancer"

the internet reeaches a critical mass of complexity and becomes self-aware, it becomes a huge intelligent entity. That is one version of the singularity.

I was probably influenced by this idea, because after reading your post, an image popped into my mind, of all the cars in the world moving around without direct human control, all networked together. This is already feasible.

In the future more and more machines and objects will join the network. When the amount of human input needed to keep everything running becomes zero...maybe that's when the singularity happens.

[rhett o rick]

4. I have, in part, used "Neuromancer" to influence my image of what will happen

at the singularity. My friend also. We just argue about the details. Like whether the robots will keep us like pets or do away with us altogether. We both saw the movie, "Her" and were surprised at the ending. If you haven't seen it, I wont spoil it and recommend you see it. But warn that I may discuss the ending in this thread.

"Neuromancer" reminded me (or visa versa) of "Blade Runner."

[CJCRANE]

9. The stage just before the singularity is also interesting...

Later on I had this image of robots picking tea leaves on a tea plantation in India and I got to thinking (as I'm sure others have done before me)...

What happens when the robots can do *everything* for us? That is when they can till our fields, pick our crops, build our houses and machines, do our cleaning, cook our meals, drive our cars, deliver pizzas etc. etc.

What happens to money and profit when there are no jobs left for people to do?

No jobs means no wages means no consumers means no corporate profits...

[bananas]

5. Noam Chomsky: The Singularity is Science Fiction!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017150117

Chomsky is correct about classical computing.

However, that might not apply to biological computers or quantum computers.

Also, classical computing could create "philosophical zombie" computers.

[rhett o rick]

6. Do you agree with Chomsky? nm

[tiny elvis]

12. i do

computation machines have no will
they are not self sustaining
even if our will and awareness were mechanical,
we cannot reproduce their functions
neither will our adding machines become willful by accident

do your own mechanically reducible functions, your senses and thought,
make up the whole of your self?

[rhett o rick]

7. It there no one that wants to discuss the singularity? nm

[CJCRANE]

10. There isn't much traffic in this forum by the looks of it.

Maybe you could post it in the Skeptics Group, Movies, Science Fiction or even General Discussion.

[rhett o rick]

11. Yeah I agree. nm

[rhett o rick]

8. Kick