Anyone know where Seabeyond is?

[BainsBane]

I haven't seen her on here is some time.

[libodem]

1. Oddly, I was just wondering the same thing?

Weird. So she hasn't been around?

[BainsBane]

5. Not since a week ago Friday.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Her last post was May 24. I found it on the Advanced Search.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=22496

[BainsBane]

4. I saw that

I was just wondering if anyone knew if she had gone out of town or something.

[MadrasT]

6. No and I was also wondering and hope she is OK (n/t)

[chervilant]

7. During the last blast of

blatant sexism -- the "femen fiasco," after several longtime members of this forum called her out with apparent impunity -- she said she's had enough, and intended to leave. I had hoped we convinced her to stay and continue to address the sexism and misogyny on DU.

[redqueen]

10. There are some people on this site who seem more invested in attacking DUers they're obsessed with

than whatever topic might be under discussion.

I posted about the massive protests, brutal response, and subsequent injuries and deaths in Turkey in GD yesterday ... and I got a snarky, fucked up response about femen.



What's really amazing is that these types of people seem to actually believe they're not totally transparent. There are people who just don't know / give a shit, but anyone who does sees the nonsense for exactly what it is.

[BainsBane]

12. Yes, and what is most concerning

is that several of them are women, or at least claim to be.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. amen, redqueen.

[BainsBane]

11. Oh, no

I didn't realize that. Of course I knew she had gotten lots of crap, as usual, but I didn't realize she intended to leave. I hope she is just taking a break and comes back.

[CrispyQ]

14. There was more than one issue,

benevolent sexism (the holding the door brouhaha), all men benefiting from rape - that one was really bad. I hope she's just taking a break, but I wouldn't blame her for finding a more friendly online community. If one exists.

Anonymity does not make most people nicer.

[redqueen]

15. You just have to accept, if you're gonna discuss this stuff online, that there will be some people

who are going to intentionally twist your words and ignore anything you say because it is just a game to them. You have to determine whether any person you're interacting with is actually genuinely interested in discussing ideas, or is one of those playing games. And if the person is playing games, then the only option is to stop engaging with them, and focus on communicating with people who are actually interested in communicating with you.

[Sheldon Cooper]

16. Yes. I put the usual suspects on ignore and my experience

here is so much more pleasant. The ones involved have no desire to discuss or share ideas, they just like to jerk your chain and giggle. I think seabeyond is a smart and brave woman and I hope she's just taking a break.

[MadrasT]

20. Those assholes can fuck right off.

I have learned that there are people here whose comments do not merit attention or response. Ever.

[Laelth]

8. I hope she is OK. n/t

-Laelth

[sufrommich]

9. I was wondering the same thing. nt

[thucythucy]

13. I just now sent her an e-mail

through DU to ask if she's okay.

I hope she isn't gone for good (or something tragic hasn't happened). She's a very important voice here and someone whose posts I always look forward to reading.

Best wishes, BB, and thanks for keeping track and asking.

[BainsBane]

17. Please let us know if you hear from her.

[thucythucy]

19. Will do.

And thanks again.

[thucythucy]

29. I heard from her a few days ago

and it sounds like she won't be coming back to DU any time soon, if ever.

Which is sad. I very much appreciated her take on things, and it's a shame she doesn't feel welcome here anymore.

Best wishes BB.

Thucy

[BainsBane]

30. Oh no

Well, Seabeyond, if you happen to read this, please email me. I'll send you a PM reminding you of my email. Please pass on that message to her, if you would.
Thanks for letting me know.

[Rowdyboy]

38. I really implored her to stay awhile back and she did for a time. Eventually, they wore her down

and that's a damn shame.

[BainsBane]

39. They were relentless bullies

Really awful. I can't say I blame her, but I do miss her.

[Sheldon Cooper]

31. That's really sad, but I can't say I blame her.

I'm sure all the bullies are having their victory dance. Pat yourselves on the backs guys, (and some women as well), you've silenced another uppity woman.

[ismnotwasm]

33. At least here; I can't imagine her being silenced for long

I don't interact much, you know--exchange PM's and such--but I had one one-line person who I'd come to think of as a friend, we'd talk via PM's, exchange thoughts and stories; ( I don't have Facebook either) she hightailed it out of here a year or so ago. I didn't blame her either.

What those silly rabbits don't understand is that Sea cared enough about not just topics, but interacting with people I'd just as soon toss out with the recycle. A backhanded compliment in a way from her, but she did it. Even when there wasn't much to reach out to, she still tried. Me? Uh Uh. Not because I couldn't but I'm lazy about folks, once they're tagged as useless I see no reason to interact with them.

[Sheldon Cooper]

34. Your last paragraph really hits home with me.

I am just like you in that I don't engage with people who behave badly - I put the whole lot of them on ignore and my opinion of this place has improved. Seabeyond really is a people person, that is one of her strengths. Me, I tend a little too far toward misanthropy. I hope to see her back here someday.

[ismnotwasm]

32. Oh shit

I was hoping she would come back, but I don't blame her either.

Love ya Sea

[Texasgal]

18. I miss her too...

I hope she comes back soon.

[riderinthestorm]

21. Kick! Was wondering if anyone heard anything yet? Hope she's okay and just taking a break... nt

[JI7]

22. i hope she is ok

hopefully she is just taking a break from this place .

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. Kicking

Does anyone have her IRL email address?

[BainsBane]

24. They seem to have succeeded

in driving her off.

[ismnotwasm]

25. I think she'll be back

[BainsBane]

26. I hope so

[ismnotwasm]

27. Me too

She has Lots to deal with and the bilious joy pig-piling here was nothing she should have had to deal with at all.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. yes.

[ChazII]

28. Seebeyond

You are missed by those who care about you. I hope you have received the messages that have been sent from this site.

[dawg]

35. seabeyond ...

I miss seeing your posts!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. One of my rare faves.

If she has vamoosed from this joint,
can't blame her (or anybody else).

[BainsBane]

37. I just gave it to one guy

Who pulled out an old post of Sea's, months old, to prove how evil women are. Continuing to bully her even after she is gone is repulsive. I told him I held him and the juvenile tactics of members like him responsible for her leaving. They turn my stomach.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. Yes, I know.

She is fine.

[BainsBane]

42. Please give her my best.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

44. I will pass it on. I miss her voice on here a lot. She is/was a credit to DU. She is a genuinely

caring person.

[ChazII]

45. Thank you,Tuesday Afternoon.

It's comforting to know that there is someone who will let her know she is missed.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

46. Please also convey my good wishes...

...to her and that she is missed.

[nomorenomore08]

47. DU at its worst can be an ugly place. Some seem more concerned with personal beefs

than actually, you know, discussing issues. And really, I can't claim to understand what drives this behavior. Aside from obvious trolls, I never feel the impulse to jump on someone just because we disagree.

[BainsBane]

48. They took it to new levels with her

And made her the punching bag for everything about feminism and women they don't like.

[sufrommich]

55. Yes they did,both her and Redqueen. It looks like you're

their new target now that so many of the the other outspoken feminists here have had enough of this bullshit.As far as I'm concerned DU is a hostile forum for feminist (unless they're polite and agree with the MRAs here.)and now openly welcoming MRS trolls.

[BainsBane]

56. I have been for some time

and you're right about the last part. It's astounding the kind of things that people can say about women and not be sanctioned.

[BainsBane]

50. I heard from her too

as well as Redqueen, who has also taken a break.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. oh sorry. I thought you did not have a way to contact her. I will self delete.

[BainsBane]

52. No, I'm sure others are interested

And I appreciate your updating me. I don't have a way to contact her directly. She PMed me here. I am disheartened that this place has become so hostile to feminists that both she and Redqueen have felt a need to leave.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

53. I don't have personal contact with redqueen but, I will miss her voice on here.

[ChazII]

54. A sad day

when we lose two wonderful, articulate voices.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

57. yes and, DU is the poorer for it.

[BainsBane]

58. Without a doubt

[treestar]

59. Just realized today I hadn't seen

Anything from sea beyond recently. Hope she returns along with redqueen

[ismnotwasm]

60. I'm not sure they will

I thought so at first, then thought about it more--I'm doubting it. They're both feminists activists and there are lots of places to spend your on-line time productively.

[BainsBane]

61. That is precisely what Redqueen told me

She is devoting herself to actual activism of far greater importance.

[ismnotwasm]

62. I don't blame her

I like face to face stuff, and I keep telling myself to get a Facebook account because its becoming a very powerful activism tool. Email isn't cutting it. Nothing else sounds as motivating for Facebook as that, and on-line is the face of a lot of future organization/activism. (In fact I have to compose a big-ass email for something else I'm doing)

A discussion board like this is great for general politics, but many specific causes, from Feminism to Native American rights--not so much. It does help with composing opinions I think, for those who like to write, and those 'I forgot about that' or 'I didn't know about that' topics that get brought up from time to time.

[Sheldon Cooper]

63. Although I'm very sorry to see both seabeyond and redqueen leave,

it's good that they're using their abilities elsewhere. This place remains a misogynist cesspool, and I'm glad they've decided not to fight it anymore. There are far more worthy places on the internet and in real life.

If either of you are reading this, you are missed.

[CrispyQ]

64. Ditto on the missing.

[Arcanetrance]

65. I miss her she was the first person to welcome me and was always polite I hated seeing her

Piled on and bullied. I hope she found a better place to post. I also hope those that forced her out are ashamed.

[BainsBane]

66. Sadly, they are not

One expressed outrage that we missed her and had the nerve to talk about how she had been treated.

[ismnotwasm]

67. Seriously?

That's fucked up man. Not to mention creepy and obsessive.

[BainsBane]

68. Yes, I found it strange

Seemed out of the blue to me. It seems like some members have a problem at home and decide to take it out on feminists on this site.

[ismnotwasm]

69. Ew

Nausea inducing thought.

[hlthe2b]

70. I think she is very busy with family, but lurking from time to time... Hopefully,

we will cycle through a better and more respectful environment for women SOON on DU and she (and others) will feel better about returning.

[BainsBane]

71. How optimistic of you

What makes you think it will get better for women around here?

[hlthe2b]

72. Hope springs eternal...

[mercuryblues]

73. What I think they missed

And I am speaking from my own experience here. Once you drown out the slugs, they provided women with thought provoking posts with different perspectives. Did I agree with everything they said and posted, no. I did however see their points of views. They helped me verbalize some things better than I could have otherwise and along with other posters here I noticed things I would have not paid attention to before I started reading this forum. For that they did make a difference. That is why I miss them.

So the slugs get what they want. Silencing women that challenged their Neanderthal views. While I, and I guess others lose a voice that strengthened the forum.